SeaMonkey query - spell-check

[James Altman]

Having used SeaMonkey for several years with no problems on Windows 7,  
I have now migrated to Windows 10.  I'm using version 2.49.5.  I can't 
get get spell-check to work.  How can I fix this?


James
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Re: SM 2.49.1 Easy Way to Remove Duplicate email?

[James McCoy]

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 7:40:15 PM UTC-5, Brooke Clarke wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> The mail program hangs up requiring shut down and restarting.  After doing 
> this it's common that all emails appear 
> twice.  Is there an easy way to remove the duplicates?
> 
> -- 
> Have Fun,
> 
> Brooke Clarke
> http://www.PRC68.com
> http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

I feel your pain!!

I have been trying ways to delete duplicate emails for over a month. NOTHING 
WORKS! Every single SeaMonkey and/or Thunderbird add-on crashes or at the very 
least locks up - even if I first run the add-on through the Extension Converter 
before install! The most I got so far, is the add-on to install but not work.
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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

[James McCoy]

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:58:51 AM UTC-5, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm using
> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 
> Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
> Build identifier: 20170706221455
> on a Debian 9 system.
> 
> Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have 
> over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).
> 
> I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
> I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML" 
> sequence. It is doable but sub-par.
> 
> Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the JSON, 
> restore from edited JSON file" sequence.
> 
> I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080 
> assembler in the 70's.
> 
> TIA

The only add-on that I found to work with SeaMonkey 2.49 is Firefox Bookmark 
Deduplicator for removing duplicates. Nothing else works - even after using 
Extension Converter. As for sorting bookmarks... I just click on bookmarks, 
manage bookmarks - right click on the toolbar/bookmark group and sort by name.

As for cleaning bad and dead links - Nothing found that works at all! 
Checkplaces, checkmarks, am-deadlinks, etc... do not waste your time. 

If someone has found some addon that works for dead links - please prove me 
wrong!

James
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Re: Looking for a Bookmark Checker that works with version 2.48

[James McCoy]

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 1:46:29 AM UTC-4, Saul wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
> > On 10/24/2017 at 2:16 PM, James McCoy created this epitome of digital
> > genius:
> >> Searching for a bookmark checker that will look for duplicates and
> >> broken links. Nothing seen in SeaMonkey addons and I do not know which
> >> of the Firefox addons will work after converting using
> >> http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
> >>
> >> James
> >> Indiana
> >>
> >
> > <http://aignes.com/deadlink.htm>
> >
> > No longer developed but it still works.
> >
> Thank you

Thanks for the tip - but I am running Linux/Ubuntu. The software appears 
Windows only.
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Looking for a Bookmark Checker that works with version 2.48

[James McCoy]

Searching for a bookmark checker that will look for duplicates and broken 
links. Nothing seen in SeaMonkey addons and I do not know which of the Firefox 
addons will work after converting using http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/

James
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Re: OAuth2 doesn't work with Seamonkey

[James Knott]

On 06/01/2017 09:41 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 6/1/17 9:30 AM, James Knott wrote:
>> It appears to work with OAuth2 on GMail, but not with my ISPs email,
>> which is provided by Yahoo.  When will the Linux version be available?
>
>
> This one?
>
> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-esr-linux64/
>

That would be it.  When does it become "official"?  My main system is
Linux and I prefer to install only released software on it.

Also, I've noticed something curious.  Many Linux apps, including
Seamonkey, have been 64 bit for years, yet the Windows versions seem to
be stuck at 32 bits, even though 64 bit Windows has been standard, with
new hardware, for a few years now.  Any idea why?  I've been running 64
bit Linux for about 11 years and my notebook came with 64 bit Windows 7,
when I bought it almost 5 years ago.

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Re: OAuth2 doesn't work with Seamonkey

[James Knott]

It appears to work with OAuth2 on GMail, but not with my ISPs email,
which is provided by Yahoo.  When will the Linux version be available?


On 06/01/2017 03:25 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Please backup your profile and try 2.49.1 from Adrian. It is at the
> same level as the latest TB. If it doesn't work open a bug.
>
> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-esr-windows32/
>
>
>
> FRG
>
> James Knott wrote:
>> On 05/31/2017 05:15 PM, James Knott wrote:
>>> My ISP is moving to OAuth2 for email authentication.  While Seamonkey
>>> mail supposedly supports it, I cannot connect.  It does work with
>>> Thunderbird.  Any suggestions for getting it to work with Seamonkey?
>>>
>>
>> Forgot to mention, I'm running Seamonkey 2.46 on Linux, but the problem
>> also occurs on Windows.
>>
>
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Re: OAuth2 doesn't work with Seamonkey

[James Knott]

On 05/31/2017 05:15 PM, James Knott wrote:
> My ISP is moving to OAuth2 for email authentication.  While Seamonkey
> mail supposedly supports it, I cannot connect.  It does work with
> Thunderbird.  Any suggestions for getting it to work with Seamonkey?
>

Forgot to mention, I'm running Seamonkey 2.46 on Linux, but the problem
also occurs on Windows.

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OAuth2 doesn't work with Seamonkey

[James Knott]

My ISP is moving to OAuth2 for email authentication.  While Seamonkey
mail supposedly supports it, I cannot connect.  It does work with
Thunderbird.  Any suggestions for getting it to work with Seamonkey?

tnx jk

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Re: Weird error from viki.com

[James Lothian]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> Since this morning, if I try to visit <http://www.viki.com> I get only this
> error message:
> 
> {"error":"not found","vcode":8500}
> 
Switching off 'Advertise Firefox Compatibility'
(Settings -> Advanced -> HTTP Networking) seems to fix it.

James



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Seamonkey To Browser

[James]

How do I make Seamonkey open say Firefox when I click on a URL ?
I do not like Seamonkey as a browser.
Firefox is my default but Seamonkey ignores that.
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RE: SeaMonkey 2.32 - now Pepper Flash

[James Mc]

I heard that Pepper Flash works with Chrome and FireFox. Would anyone know if 
it also works with SeaMonkey?


“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” 
Edmund Burke 

James
Indiana

 


 

> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 13:32:00 -0700
> From: nu...@bees.wax
> Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.32 released
> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> 
> Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> > Edmund Wong wrote:
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> >> 2.32!
> >>
> >> For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.32, see the What's
> >> New in SeaMonkey 2.32 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
> >> contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
> >> questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
> >> screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.
> >>
> >> Links:
> >> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.32
> >> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.32/
> >
> > And it was in the Ubuntuzilla repository immediately too! Life is good.
> > Now, to see if the "Usenet Binary Attachment" bug has been fixed...
> >
> If only that version had not broken Adblock Plus!
> 
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New topic - Netflix

[James McCoy]

Has anyone got Netflix to stream on SeaMonkey?

On December 22, 2014 3:55:18 AM EST, Edmund Wong  wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>(Sorry. Skipped both the 2.31 and 2.32b1 releases..)
>
>The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 
>2.32b2.  Please give it a spin.
>
>For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.32, see the What's 
>New in SeaMonkey 2.32 section of the Release Notes [2], which also 
>contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked 
>questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and 
>screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.
>
>Links:
>[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.32
>[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.32/
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Streaming Netflix

[James McCoy]

Has any heard about being able to watch Netflix on SeaMonkey?

Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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RE: SeaMonkey 2.29.1 - versions of Lightning that work

[James Mc]

If you click on the link - it will show all versions of Lightning as well as 
what versions of SeaMonkey that they work with starting with "page 1". Just 
ignore the wording of the link itself.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/versions/?page=1#version-1.9.1

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” 
Edmund Burke 

James
Indiana

> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:23:25 -0700
> From: gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid
> Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1 - versions of Lightning that work
> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> 
> On 10/07/2014 12:49 PM, James Mc wrote:
> > I have SeaMonkey 2.29.1 working just fine using Lightning version 3.4b1.
> 
> Then why did you suggest version 1.9.1?
> 
> BTW: please do not cc me in your reply - I read the list and the
> newsgroup just fine without added clutter from cc's. Also please do not
> top post on this list/newsgroup:
> 
> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/forums/etiquette/>
> 
> Thanks
> ...
> 
> > 
> >> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 12:03:23 -0700
> >> From: gl...@sbcglobal.net
> >> Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1 - versions of Lightning that work
> >> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> >> 
> >> On 10/06/2014 12:52 PM, James Mc wrote:
> >> > Try this link below...
> >> > 
> >> > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/versions/?page=1#version-1.9.1
> >> > 
> >> > Lightning :: Versions :: Add-ons for SeaMonkey
> >> 
> >> Really?
> >> 
> >> Version 1.9.1 Released March 6, 2013 2.7 MB Works with SeaMonkey 2.14 -
> >> 2.14.*, Thunderbird 17.0 - 17.*
> >> 
> ...
> 
> >> > 
> >> >> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 13:19:20 -0400
> >> >> From: david...@tmr.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1
> >> >> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> >> >> 
> >> >> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> > Since linux64 does exist (in unofficial) and we release langpacks you 
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > install into linux64, we have not made that process a higher 
> >> >> > priority, than,
> >> >> > say, actually releasing betas or releases in general. (You'll note 
> >> >> > that the
> >> >> > latest round of betas are still delayed).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thank you for your continued interest, and hope to have more to 
> >> >> > share "soon".
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ~Justin Wood (Callek)
> >> >> 
> >> >> It's not lack of an official release that bothers me as much as having 
> >> >> to spend 
> >> >> a lot of time trying to find a version of Lightning which works with 
> >> >> each 64 bit 
> >> >> update (in some cases I fail). I believe that's true for other packages 
> >> >> as well, 
> >> >> but Lightning is my one and only blocker to upgrade, other than 
> >> >> outright bugs 
> >> >> like saving bookmarks and/or passwords in recoverable format.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Would it be possible for someone to add a URL for that to the release 
> >> >> notes? To 
> >> >> me that is vastly more important 64 bit support than making a package 
> >> >> official 
> >> >> or not. Again, I suspect other 64 bit users have a similar issue with 
> >> >> other 
> >> >> packages, I'll let them make their own case.
  
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RE: SeaMonkey 2.29.1 - versions of Lightning that work

[James Mc]

I have SeaMonkey 2.29.1 working just fine using Lightning version 3.4b1.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” 
Edmund Burke 

James
Indiana

> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 12:03:23 -0700
> From: gl...@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1 - versions of Lightning that work
> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> 
> On 10/06/2014 12:52 PM, James Mc wrote:
> > Try this link below...
> > 
> > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/versions/?page=1#version-1.9.1
> > 
> > Lightning :: Versions :: Add-ons for SeaMonkey
> 
> Really?
> 
> Version 1.9.1 Released March 6, 2013 2.7 MB Works with SeaMonkey 2.14 -
> 2.14.*, Thunderbird 17.0 - 17.*
> 
> > 
> > 
> > “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do 
> > nothing.” 
> > Edmund Burke 
> > 
> > James
> > Indiana
> > 
> >> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 13:19:20 -0400
> >> From: david...@tmr.com
> >> Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1
> >> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> >> 
> >> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Since linux64 does exist (in unofficial) and we release langpacks you can
> >> > install into linux64, we have not made that process a higher priority, 
> >> > than,
> >> > say, actually releasing betas or releases in general. (You'll note that 
> >> > the
> >> > latest round of betas are still delayed).
> >> >
> >> > I thank you for your continued interest, and hope to have more to share 
> >> > "soon".
> >> >
> >> > ~Justin Wood (Callek)
> >> 
> >> It's not lack of an official release that bothers me as much as having to 
> >> spend 
> >> a lot of time trying to find a version of Lightning which works with each 
> >> 64 bit 
> >> update (in some cases I fail). I believe that's true for other packages as 
> >> well, 
> >> but Lightning is my one and only blocker to upgrade, other than outright 
> >> bugs 
> >> like saving bookmarks and/or passwords in recoverable format.
> >> 
> >> Would it be possible for someone to add a URL for that to the release 
> >> notes? To 
> >> me that is vastly more important 64 bit support than making a package 
> >> official 
> >> or not. Again, I suspect other 64 bit users have a similar issue with 
> >> other 
> >> packages, I'll let them make their own case.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Bill Davidsen 
> >>We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have
> >> taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
> >> we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010
> >> 
> >> 
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RE: SeaMonkey 2.29.1 - versions of Lightning that work

[James Mc]

Try this link below...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/versions/?page=1#version-1.9.1

Lightning :: Versions :: Add-ons for SeaMonkey


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James
Indiana

> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 13:19:20 -0400
> From: david...@tmr.com
> Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1
> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> 
> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> 
> > Since linux64 does exist (in unofficial) and we release langpacks you can
> > install into linux64, we have not made that process a higher priority, than,
> > say, actually releasing betas or releases in general. (You'll note that the
> > latest round of betas are still delayed).
> >
> > I thank you for your continued interest, and hope to have more to share 
> > "soon".
> >
> > ~Justin Wood (Callek)
> 
> It's not lack of an official release that bothers me as much as having to 
> spend 
> a lot of time trying to find a version of Lightning which works with each 64 
> bit 
> update (in some cases I fail). I believe that's true for other packages as 
> well, 
> but Lightning is my one and only blocker to upgrade, other than outright bugs 
> like saving bookmarks and/or passwords in recoverable format.
> 
> Would it be possible for someone to add a URL for that to the release notes? 
> To 
> me that is vastly more important 64 bit support than making a package 
> official 
> or not. Again, I suspect other 64 bit users have a similar issue with other 
> packages, I'll let them make their own case.
> 
> -- 
> Bill Davidsen 
>We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have
> taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
> we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010
> 
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RE: Seamonkey as .deb package

[James Mc]

If you are still looking for a deb package...

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” 
Edmund Burke 

James
Indiana

> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 02:06:12 -0700
> Subject: Re: Seamonkey as .deb package
> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> 
> On 08/17/2014 10:48 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> > Hello.
> > 
> > I am hoping that I have not previously posted this query to this list.
> > 
> > As the Debian Project has omitted iceape, its derivative of Seamonkey, 
> > from Debian 7, I am wondering what is the prospect of Seamonkey being 
> > released as a .deb package for installation on Debian 7.
> > 
> > I had tried installing the Seamonkey tarball, according to the published 
> > instructions, and could not then get Seamonkey to work.
> 
> You don't need a .deb. All you need to do is create a
> /home//seamonkey directory, copy the tarball to that directory,
> extract it there, and then run
> $ /home//seamonkey/seamonkey/seamonkey
> Create a menu link with the same, and select the icon from
> $/home//seamonkey/seamonkey/chrome/icons/default/default.png
> Doesn't get much simpler than that.
> 
> If you can't figure out how to create a menu entry, you can drop this
> into a gedit file into
> 
> #!/usr/bin/env xdg-open
> 
> [Desktop Entry]
> Categories=GTK;Network;
> GenericName=Internet Suite
> Icon[en_US]=/home//seamonkey/seamonkey/chrome/icons/default/seamonkey.png
> NoDisplay=false
> Terminal=false
> Type=Application
> Exec=/home//seamonkey/seamonkey/seamonkey %u
> Name[en_US]=Mozilla SeaMonkey
> Name=Mozilla SeaMonkey
> Comment[en_US]=Mozilla SeaMonkey
> Comment=Mozilla SeaMonkey
> 
> > 
> > As a .deb package, software is usually installed, with all dependencies 
> > taken care of, and the launch link, added to the appropriate desktop 
> > menu, so it makes it all, relatively simple.
> > 
> > The system upon which I was unable to get Seamonkey to work (and I am 
> > not sure that it properly installed), is Debian 7 amd64 LXDE.
> 
> Use the 64bit tarball:
> 
> <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.29.1>
>   Bottom of page:
> 
> Linux/x86_64
> Linux/x86_64 .tar.bz2 (readme) (MD5 sum) (SHA1 sum)
> (ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.29.1/contrib/seamonkey-2.29.1.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2)
> 
> > 
> > I note that, on the web page at
> > http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> > the download for MS Windows, is a .exe installer, so I suppose that what 
> > I am seeking, is the equivalent, as a .deb package for Debian 7 amd64 .
> > 
> > Thank you in anticipation.
> > 
> > --
> > Bret Busby
> > Armadale
> > West Australia
  
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no address bar & bookmarks on SeaMonkey

[James Farrell]

no address bar & bookmarks on SeaMonkey also can't email you on outlook
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seamonkey moble

[James L. Dalton]

When are you going to make a version for android(for crying out loud)? I 
would ditch all other browsers to have seamonkey with seamonkey mail. 
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Down loaded SeaMonkey 2.14.1 to Mac OSX 10.5.8

[James Buckner]

I down loaded SeaMonkey 2.14.1 Mac OSX 10.5.8 and now receive message  
"You cannot use this version of the application Sea Monkey with this  
version of Mac OSX. My computer Knowledge is about medium and I need  
help in any possible method of deleting this down load and reverting  
back to the original version of seaMonkey I was running before the  
down load or at least to a version that will run with my version of  
Mac OSX I appreciate any help I can receive,  James Buckner 
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Re: PHPlist/FCKeditor problem with SM 2.14

[james]

I can verify the same issue with PHPlist.

I am also experiencing a related issue.  I use websitebaker CMS and fckeditor 
as the wysiwyg editor.  Since upgrading to 2.14, all edit boxes show source 
code, and there is no fckeditor panel or functionality.
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Mail Display Page Headings

[James Robinson]

I recently received and updated my SeaMonkey program to ver. 2.13.1, thru the 
automatic update notice service, on my Gateway Laptop using Windows7.

My problem is that the headings (Subject, From, Date & To), that were always immediately above the individual email message bodies, are no longer there.  Does anyone know 
how or where to correct this?  I cannot find anything in the "Preferences", Mail Account Settings", etc.  pages that address this.

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[James Powell]

I have SeaMonkey 2.10.1 on my Mac that runs Snow Leopard. How do 
I delete all my cookies at the same time? Presently, I need to go 
through the list item by item and select individual cookies. It's 
infuriating!

Thanks.

Jim
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[James Cloos]

Jens Hatlak  writes:

> * The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
>   configurable in Preferences

How does one fix that to be legible?

I don’t mind the highlighting cocept, but the chosen colors suck.
Everything except the domain name is nearly illegible.

It would be *much* better to use bold for the highlight.  Or perhaps
bold-italic.

Or an entirely different colour.

Bit highlighting the domain name by desaturating the rest of the URL is
just plain /wrong/.

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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

Thanks for the input.  I created a new profile and one at a time copied 
across files from my original profile and it was the cookies.sqlite file 
that was the problem.  I was able to copy everything else, but as soon 
as this file was copied password manager would crash every time.


I guess I can just remove this as it will recreate it and repopulate 
with cookies as required.  Is there any point in examining the file to 
try and find the cause of the problem?


James

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-21 4:42 PM, James Osbourn wrote:

I had not thought to try that. Just created a new testing profile and
password manager does not crash so it looks like a corruption in my
profile.

Is there any way to identify what the corruption is? As I have tried
removing the password database it cannot be that. I can create a new
profile but I would like to restore my settings as it has taken a while
to get them how I like them. Likewise bookmarks, mail and passwords etc.


At this point, *with SeaMonkey closed* you can start copying over files
from your old profile.
Start with prefs.js and panacea.dat and the folders \Mail\, \News\, and
\ImapMail\ (if they exist).
Then start SeaMonkey and test. If it still works, close SeaMonkey and
copy over another file, then test again.
Keep going until you've either reproduced the crash or copied all files.
If you reproduced the crash, the latest file you copied over is the
culprit.

My bet is on either cert8.db or localstore.rdf. :)


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

I had not thought to try that.  Just created a new testing profile and 
password manager does not crash so it looks like a corruption in my profile.


Is there any way to identify what the corruption is?  As I have tried 
removing the password database it cannot be that.  I can create a new 
profile but I would like to restore my settings as it has taken a while 
to get them how I like them.  Likewise bookmarks, mail and passwords etc.


James

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-21 3:01 AM, James Osbourn wrote:

Still the same result crashes even faster than normal. Thought it was
worth a try.


Okay, you may as well restore the old password files.

If you create a new profile, does the crash occur in the new profile? If
so, then we know the cause is not specific to your profile data, and
resides somewhere else.


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

I have updated the bug report linked to in your email.

James

Robert Kaiser wrote:

James Osbourn schrieb:

In case you were interested the crash report from trying password
manager in safe moded is

bp-74baaf6c-b541-493e-a889-bd9892110818 19/08/2011 06:39


Same nsScriptableDateFormat issue as the others.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656316
Can you comment there and tell the developers what your system is, how
you reproduce it and if it also happens on a current development
(nightly or aurora) version?

Thanks.

Robert Kaiser



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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

Still the same result crashes even faster than normal.  Thought it was 
worth a try.


James

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-19 1:45 AM, James Osbourn wrote:

In case you were interested the crash report from trying password
manager in safe moded is


Okay, let's try removing your password data. If it still crashes, you
can restore the password data.

1. In SeaMonkey, go to Help-->Troubleshooting_Information, to open the
Troubleshooting Information page.

2. Click on [Open Containing Folder], which will open your profile
folder in Windows Explorer.

3. Close SeaMonkey.

4. In your profile folder, move the following files to your desktop:
signons.sqlite
key3.db

Test SeaMonkey.
If it still crashes, you can restore the data by closing SeaMonkey and
putting the files you moved back into your profile folder (replacing any
newly created files of the same names).


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Compiling Seamonkey-2.3 under Linux-3.0.3 kernel from kernel.org (dist: Gentoo)

[James Rasmussen]

Just in case someone hadn't mentioned it, I have successfully built
(from source) and am running seamonkey-2.3 under linux-3.0.3
(downloaded from kernel.org, compiled and running in a gentoo dist.
machine).

Seamonkey would not build until I copied the Linux2.6.mk file to a
Linux3.0.mk file.

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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

In case you were interested the crash report from trying password 
manager in safe moded is


bp-74baaf6c-b541-493e-a889-bd9892110818 19/08/2011 06:39

James

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-18 3:23 AM, JAMES OSBOURN wrote:

I am not using a VPN. Pretty normal usage and have teh same setup at work
which is not exhibiting the same problems. Although I have XP at home and
Win 7 at work.


Then I'm out of ideas for possible causes. If you go to
Help-->Restart_with_Add-ons_Disabled, does the crash occur?


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

Hi Chris,

I have tried the restart in safe mode and still had the crash.

I was not sure if it was the password database itself that was corrupt 
and causing the crash.


James

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-18 3:23 AM, JAMES OSBOURN wrote:

I am not using a VPN. Pretty normal usage and have teh same setup at work
which is not exhibiting the same problems. Although I have XP at home and
Win 7 at work.


Then I'm out of ideas for possible causes. If you go to
Help-->Restart_with_Add-ons_Disabled, does the crash occur?


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[JAMES OSBOURN]

I am not using a VPN.  Pretty normal usage and have teh same setup at work
which is not exhibiting the same problems.  Although I have XP at home and
Win 7 at work.

James

On 18 August 2011 06:04, Chris Ilias  wrote:

> On 11-08-17 2:37 PM, James Osbourn wrote:
>
>> I have the default theme 2.2, the modern theme 2.2 is disabled
>>
>> James
>>
>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>>
>>> On 11-08-17 4:42 AM, James Osbourn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I have used the plugin check page and updated any plugins that I could
>>>> and disabled the rest and it is still crashing. Sometimes immediately
>>>> and other times it takes a few seconds.
>>>>
>>>> The most recent crashes are
>>>>
>>>> bp-15faaed4-7b9e-4e42-9d3b-**ebc0a2110817 17/08/2011 09:40
>>>> bp-0f2e7ddb-ba5b-40bd-9a33-**dc19d2110817 17/08/2011 09:31
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you using the default theme?
>>>
>>
> Are you on a VPN when the crashes occur?
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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

I have the default theme 2.2, the modern theme 2.2 is disabled

James

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-17 4:42 AM, James Osbourn wrote:

Chris,

I have used the plugin check page and updated any plugins that I could
and disabled the rest and it is still crashing. Sometimes immediately
and other times it takes a few seconds.

The most recent crashes are

bp-15faaed4-7b9e-4e42-9d3b-ebc0a2110817 17/08/2011 09:40
bp-0f2e7ddb-ba5b-40bd-9a33-dc19d2110817 17/08/2011 09:31


Are you using the default theme?


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

Chris,

I have used the plugin check page and updated any plugins that I could 
and disabled the rest and it is still crashing.  Sometimes immediately 
and other times it takes a few seconds.


The most recent crashes are

bp-15faaed4-7b9e-4e42-9d3b-ebc0a2110817 17/08/2011 09:40
bp-0f2e7ddb-ba5b-40bd-9a33-dc19d2110817 17/08/2011 09:31

Thanks

James

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-16 3:29 PM, James Osbourn wrote:

I have clicked the links not starting bp- The new links are

bp-8a2cfa19-a5f4-41de-92e4-40e712110813 13/08/2011 21:28
bp-08fc5f47-fcce-4b4e-9342-0f1ab2110816 12/08/2011 22:36
bp-1dcff122-2d1e-41d4-ab12-ff3e92110816 12/08/2011 22:36
bp-968606ba-2fd1-4200-96c3-8992f2110816 24/07/2011 20:55
bp-564f453b-ca1a-4ad4-a13c-ceea02110816 24/07/2011 20:55
bp-ac83048c-4b33-4f9a-a7ac-de3a82110724 24/07/2011 19:55
bp-c3621fac-54d0-4355-8843-1f9892110724 24/07/2011 19:48
bp-29d154a2-a90b-4272-8029-74da02110724 24/07/2011 19:44
bp-ed41065e-dbd0-4c93-ae7a-4df052110722 22/07/2011 21:30
bp-27d32dc7-4e41-4d1e-b1f1-138a72110722 22/07/2011 21:28


There are different plugins mentioned in those.
One talks about printing a PDF file, while another *may* refer to
quicktime.
If you have any plugins installed, go to
<http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/>, to make sure they are up to
date, then go to Tools-->Add-ons_Manager, select the Plugins panel, and
disable any plugins you don't use.


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

Should of said the new crash logs are

bp-a575039f-3546-490e-9779-e50d22110816 16/08/2011 20:35
bp-fdbe74b4-00ae-4153-9021-39fef2110816 16/08/2011 20:33
bp-4570b718-fe17-49ce-9f61-8e4f42110816 16/08/2011 20:32

James

James Osbourn wrote:

I updated my flash to the latest version and also tried disabling and
both times password manager would crash as before.

James

Jens Hatlak wrote:

James Osbourn wrote:

The crash reports that I have listed are as follows:

bp-8a2cfa19-a5f4-41de-92e4-40e712110813 13/08/2011 21:28


Maybe a Flash crash (AFAICS IPC is involved). Try disabling Flash
(about:addons, Plugins, Shockwave Flash, Disable).

HTH

Jens


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

I updated my flash to the latest version and also tried disabling and 
both times password manager would crash as before.


James

Jens Hatlak wrote:

James Osbourn wrote:

The crash reports that I have listed are as follows:

bp-8a2cfa19-a5f4-41de-92e4-40e712110813 13/08/2011 21:28


Maybe a Flash crash (AFAICS IPC is involved). Try disabling Flash
(about:addons, Plugins, Shockwave Flash, Disable).

HTH

Jens


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

I have clicked the links not starting bp-  The new links are

bp-8a2cfa19-a5f4-41de-92e4-40e712110813 13/08/2011 21:28
bp-08fc5f47-fcce-4b4e-9342-0f1ab2110816 12/08/2011 22:36
bp-1dcff122-2d1e-41d4-ab12-ff3e92110816 12/08/2011 22:36
bp-968606ba-2fd1-4200-96c3-8992f2110816 24/07/2011 20:55
bp-564f453b-ca1a-4ad4-a13c-ceea02110816 24/07/2011 20:55
bp-ac83048c-4b33-4f9a-a7ac-de3a82110724 24/07/2011 19:55
bp-c3621fac-54d0-4355-8843-1f9892110724 24/07/2011 19:48
bp-29d154a2-a90b-4272-8029-74da02110724 24/07/2011 19:44
bp-ed41065e-dbd0-4c93-ae7a-4df052110722 22/07/2011 21:30
bp-27d32dc7-4e41-4d1e-b1f1-138a72110722 22/07/2011 21:28

James

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-08-15 4:07 PM, James Osbourn wrote:

The crash reports that I have listed are as follows:

bp-8a2cfa19-a5f4-41de-92e4-40e712110813 13/08/2011 21:28
964e755a-723b-433d-8dcb-c808463816bb 12/08/2011 22:36
7db5eb6d-ed18-47d7-a34e-301f40ae4f45 12/08/2011 22:36
a9b8e7ab-43ab-4605-ae19-240b0ac87f71 24/07/2011 20:55
1f3b2544-3545-4be9-aac7-80fd5aea1fe0 24/07/2011 20:55
bp-ac83048c-4b33-4f9a-a7ac-de3a82110724 24/07/2011 19:55
bp-c3621fac-54d0-4355-8843-1f9892110724 24/07/2011 19:48
bp-29d154a2-a90b-4272-8029-74da02110724 24/07/2011 19:44
bp-ed41065e-dbd0-4c93-ae7a-4df052110722 22/07/2011 21:30
bp-27d32dc7-4e41-4d1e-b1f1-138a72110722 22/07/2011 21:28


Could you do us a favour and go back to about:crashes, and click on 3rd,
4th, and 5th items in the list, so they begin with "bp-". We can't
access those crash reports until you click on them.


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Re: password manager keeps crashing

[James Osbourn]

The crash reports that I have listed are as follows:

bp-8a2cfa19-a5f4-41de-92e4-40e712110813 13/08/2011 21:28
964e755a-723b-433d-8dcb-c808463816bb 12/08/2011 22:36
7db5eb6d-ed18-47d7-a34e-301f40ae4f45 12/08/2011 22:36
a9b8e7ab-43ab-4605-ae19-240b0ac87f71 24/07/2011 20:55
1f3b2544-3545-4be9-aac7-80fd5aea1fe0 24/07/2011 20:55
bp-ac83048c-4b33-4f9a-a7ac-de3a82110724 24/07/2011 19:55
bp-c3621fac-54d0-4355-8843-1f9892110724 24/07/2011 19:48
bp-29d154a2-a90b-4272-8029-74da02110724 24/07/2011 19:44
bp-ed41065e-dbd0-4c93-ae7a-4df052110722 22/07/2011 21:30
bp-27d32dc7-4e41-4d1e-b1f1-138a72110722 22/07/2011 21:28

Regards

James

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JAMES OSBOURN schrieb:

I get the password manager tab appear for a few seconds before it goes
away. I have submitted a crash report a couple times in case it helps.


Can you call up "about:crashes" and give us some crash IDs from there
for those crashes? Thanks.

Robert Kaiser


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password manager keeps crashing

[JAMES OSBOURN]

I recently upgraded to Seamonkey 2.1 and then 2.2 with the autoupdate and I
just found a few days ago that when I try to access my password manager it
will crash seamonkey every time.

I get the password manager tab appear for a few seconds before it goes
away.  I have submitted a crash report a couple times in case it helps.

I would like to be able to recover my passwords where possible as I doubt I
can remember them all, as well as getting the password manager working
again.  Everything else appears to be working fine.

Thanks

James
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

[James E. Morrow]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Michael Hannon schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

In any case, happy to not be in charge any more, makes laughing about
this much easier than in earlier times.


Who's in charge now?


The collective of the SeaMonkey Council (of which I'm remaining a part,
but just as one of multiple people, not as the project coordinator).


I'm sorry to hear you've stopped running the project. Thanks for your
work on the browser over the past few years (not to mention LCARStrek!).


As a note, LCARStrek will continue to be developed (but now for both
SeaMonkey and Firefox). ;-)

As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in
http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on,
see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla -
which now makes me say things like "A beta user sample of [roughly 4-5x
the release users of SeaMonkey] is too small to give us really good data
on stability, but so far it looks stable enough to ship this as a final
release." :)

I'm not too far away, but not here as much as previously. And I feel
good getting less vitriol about my work and working with people who can
do Mozilla stuff full-time. ;-)

Robert Kaiser



As one who has read and mostly lurked in this group since its inception, 
allow me to say that your efforts on behalf of the SeaMonkey Project are 
greatly appreciated. We all have to step back now and again. But your 
work as project leader leaves SeaMonkey well established to go forward. 
Thank you Robert.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1 RC

[James Cloos]

"David E. Ross"  writes:

> #659731 at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659731>

I'm sure that preference change one was in the release notes.

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Googlemail- with Seamonkey

[james king]

what settings should be used to download messages? using pop3 not
imap. I can use Seamonkey to send mail but can't get it downloaded
from Googlemail.
Thanks
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Messages Archived now Lost

[James Johnston]

We just switched to a new hosting company to get more reliable
service. When the alteration was made to my Thunderbird, they just
changed the server settings in my account and the folders and messages
I had saved are now gone. I haven't received any new ones today, so is
what I had yesterday still backed up somewhere that I can still get at
it to either reimport or to put on the main server where it is safe
and accessible if I need it?

Thanks!
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Re: OT Re: seamonkey printer question

[Fred James]

Jay Garcia wrote:

(omissions for brevity)

But in the meantime, may I assume you don't have an answer to either
question?
Regards
Fred James




That is correct, no answer, don't run Linux and that's why I marked it
OT and set the followup to .genera
Are you saying this is a MS Windows discussion group?  My apologies ... 
I didn't know ... I thought it was a SM discussion group ... sorry, my bad.

Regards
Fred James

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Re: OT Re: seamonkey printer question

[Fred James]

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 14.12.2010 13:49, hawker wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

  

On 12/14/2010 1:33 PM, JeffM wrote:


Fred James wrote:
  

[...]PRINTER[...]



Starting a new thread with each new post
seems very stupid and selfish to me.
Try keeping it all in one thread from now on.
  

Nit picking every post with unnecessary criticism seems very stupid and
self centered to me. It tells me you probably spend your life in your
bedroom of your parents house jacking off with nothing better to do but
troll.
Try keeping your posts to the subject and hand and ignore minor
grievances that do not really matter.



There is nothing "nit picking" about maintaining a single thread with
nested replies posted in chronological order as it is much easier and
productive for those marking as read and then returning to followup the
new replies.

Followup set to .general for any further OT discussion.
  
But in the meantime, may I assume you don't have an answer to either 
question?

Regards
Fred James

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downgrade [Was: Re: seamonkey printer question]

[Fred James]

Suppose I cannot get the printers to be seen by Seamonkey 2.0.10 on my 
Mandriva 2008.0 box ... how do I return to Seamonkey 1.1.10 without 
losing my bookmarks, history, mail, etc?  Or is that possible?


By the way ... someone on another list suggested going to 2.0.11 might 
fix the printer issue ... how likely is that, do you think?

Thanks
Regards
Fred James

Fred James wrote:
In Seamonkey (and Firefox, as it happens), in the file 
'run-mozilla.sh' there is a variable 
"$MOZILLA_POSTSCRIPT_PRINTER_LIST"... can anyone help me to determine 
where that variable is set, or what the value might actually be, please?


Reason for interest ... the latest version installed on my box 
(Mandriva 2008.0) does not seem to be able to find the printers.  I am 
thinking that perhaps a sym-link might be a workaround?

Thanks
Regards
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seamonkey printer question

[Fred James]

In Seamonkey (and Firefox, as it happens), in the file 'run-mozilla.sh' 
there is a variable "$MOZILLA_POSTSCRIPT_PRINTER_LIST"... can anyone 
help me to determine where that variable is set, or what the value might 
actually be, please?


Reason for interest ... the latest version installed on my box (Mandriva 
2008.0) does not seem to be able to find the printers.  I am thinking 
that perhaps a sym-link might be a workaround?

Thanks
Regards
Fred James

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2.0.10 Seamonkey - printers not seen

[Fred James]

I have upgraded to Seamonkey 2.0.10 on my Mandriva 2008.0 desktop and 
now the printers are not available (Navigate: File->Print).  They were 
available on the older version of Seamonkey, and they are working from 
the CLI as well as other applications such as OpenOffice.  Thank you for 
any help you may be able to offer

Regards
Fred James

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Re: SeaMonkey Faulty Page Rendering

[James Greenidge]

Such a situation -- works with Firefox but not with SeaMonkey -- 
generally indicates that the Web server is doing invalid sniffing. For 
an explanation of sniffing and how to defeat it, see my 
.

-- David E. Ross

I much appreciate your response, but the only thing is I'm not really a 
techie and can't make heads or tails how to tinker with computer 
programs, so is there any "turn key" fix to this or do you think it'll 
be corrected in the next SeaMonkey issue?


Thanks!

Jim

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Re: Seamonkey page render issue

[James]

Eric wrote:

David Cox wrote:

On 18/11/2010 11:20 AM, Eric wrote:

I just checked seamonkey's rendering of
http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Overview.html

It doesn't properly render it. One of the side frames overlaps the 
words

on another frame. Though readable, it is annoying.


Do you have a minimum font size set? That can cause frames to overlap.

djc


I've never changed it, but when I go in to about:config it says 
default 20


Eric
I have the same problem on some pages, but I never explored the reason 
for the overlap that sometimes makes a page unreadable. I usually just 
use a different browser. When I look at the SeaMonkey parameters, I see 
that "font.minimum-size.th" = 10 and all the others = 0.


I went to the site you cited and had no problems with text overlap. I am 
using "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) 
Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10".


I look at the problem and I believe that those that have the skills to 
fix the problem probably have different priorities and that it will get 
fixed eventually. I am sure that they are already aware of the problem 
if they use SeaMonkey.

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SeaMonkey Faulty Page Rendering

[James Greenidge]

I've come across several examples of this while using Google translation 
service, where SeaMonkey doesn't render right while Firefox does 
perfectly, as an example: http://sorairofact.blog.shinobi.jp/


via Google translation the page results between SeaMonkey and Firefox 
are strikingly different in missed data and rendering:


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsorairofact.blog.shinobi.jp%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=

JimWG




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Re: Brevity Comic Strip on SeaMonkeys

[James]

Ed Mullen wrote:

James wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/7/2010 9:41 AM PT, JeffM typed:


http://comics.com/brevity/2010-11-07/

8-) Shades of my youth and the back pages of comic books. Without 
the bloated page, that's: 
http://c0389161.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/dyn/str_strip/342251.full.gif 





That links makes you download. :(
It is a cloud implementation. You must download it anyway if you wish 
to see the .gif image. The cloud implementation does not 
automatically get loaded into your browser.


It opened just fine here in SeaMonkey and in IrfanView.  Not sure why 
you're saying that.


You may need to set your preferences to import a file from the cloud. If 
it were already done, then your browser will do what it is programmed to 
do with a .gif file. There have been other instances where normally 
handled files are not handled normally when served from a cloud based 
server. I am not sure what the difference is, if there is any 
difference, but the files are sometimes handled differently when 
received by the browser.

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Re: Printed Phone Numbers

[James]

Daniel wrote:

James wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:


Sun, 31 Oct 2010 20:02:23 +0200, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:31:37 -0500, /JohnW-Mpls/:





In the old days, there was no 'optional' way to dial. Optional became 
possible with digital computers on telephone equipment, but mostly 
from the user's end. As VOIP and mobile phones have different rules 
and adapt to the land line rules at the exchange, the following 
examples are land line based:


Some small communities still dial four digits to reach a neighbor 
that has the same area code and prefix.


Most local communities use the prefix and number to dial anyone in 
their local calling area unless their local calling area includes a 
different area code. They do not dial a "1" for local calls.


Outside the local calling area but within the same area code, a "1" 
must be dialed before the prefix and number. Do not use the area code 
as the call will fail.


Outside the area code and outside the local calling area, a "1", area 
code, prefix, and number must be dialed.


The above is why telephone numbers were usually delimited in one form 
or another with the numbers in the order in which they must be dialed 
(C-AAA-PPP-).


With all of these variations in how a number must be dialed makes 
formatting the telephone number difficult. This is why there are lots 
of local variations. Everyone has their own preference, but usually 
the numbers are delimited because of the many different requirements 
in different locations. No matter what you use as a delimiter, the 
format is 'long distance code/country code', 'area code', 'prefix', 
and 'number'. 18005551212 (no delimiters is easiest to type in and is 
the preferred format for most databases), 1 800 555 1212 (spacebar is 
an easy hit on a keyboard), 1-800-555-1212 (minus sign on a number 
pad), 1.800.555.1212 (decimal point on a number pad, usually easier 
to hit than the minus sign), 1(800)555-1212 (traditional, but more 
difficult to type in), and personal variations that may include 
almost any characters other than digits as delimiters, usually 
non-alphabetic.


Here, in Australia, we used to have a mix of 0a nnn  and 0aa nnn 
nnn (a's for area code, n's for numbers), but, in about 2002, the 
government agency that handles phone numbers decided to standardise us 
all on ten digits, 0a  .


At the time, it struck me that an eight digit phone number (forget the 
area code) gave 100,000,000 possibilities. If we forget the numbers 
starting with 0 (which are used for the emergency services) and forget 
the numbers starting with 1 (which are used for business freecalls), 
that leaves 80,000,000.


At the time, Australia's population was about 20,000,000, so this 
meant, without using area codes, every man, woman, child and baby 
could have four personal numbers, one for home, one for going to 
work/school/nursery, one for at work/school/nursery and yet another 
for going home from work/school/nursery.


O.k., so that's a bit ridicules, we could just have had the 20,000,000 
mobile numbers and about 5,000,000 home numbers and, still without 
using area codes, there would be numbers available to triple the 
population.


It still comes down to dialing the numbers in the correct order. That is 
why I believe the format in which the number is presented is of little 
importance because, once you strip away all the non-dialable characters, 
you have a simple string of numbers.


The reason for the formatting differences is because of how those 
numbers were processed. In the old mechanical switching offices, a 
number dialed was a string of pulses that activated a stepping switch. 
The number of digits required to dial a local number in the USA was and 
is either four digits for small communities or seven digits for everyone 
else. Special services were and are three digits (411, 611, 911). To 
reach an operator is one digit for local (0) and two digits for long 
distance (00). Dialing "1" would switch you to the telephone central 
office that handles 'long distance' calls. There are local variations 
for calls to a different area code that are still local, but the massive 
infrastructure of the telephone industry is still in place and still 
being heavily used despite the trend towards VOIP because everything 
seems to have an interface with the land line telephone services 
(mobile, cell, internet, satellite, etc).

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Re: http://veetle.com?

[James]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:
Does a "504 Geteway Time-out nginc/0.7.65" mean the problem is 
http://veetle.com or local?


This seems to be a veetle.exe program exception, not a browser problem. 
I did not download or install their program, but everything else on 
their site works in SeaMonkey.

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Re: Brevity Comic Strip on SeaMonkeys

[James]

Ant wrote:

On 11/7/2010 9:41 AM PT, JeffM typed:


http://comics.com/brevity/2010-11-07/

8-)  Shades of my youth and the back pages of comic books. Without 
the bloated page, that's: 
http://c0389161.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/dyn/str_strip/342251.full.gif 



That links makes you download. :(
It is a cloud implementation. You must download it anyway if you wish to 
see the .gif image. The cloud implementation does not automatically get 
loaded into your browser.

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Re: Printed Phone Numbers

[James]

Ray_Net wrote:

James wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

Hi,

JohnW-Mpls a tapoté, le 31/10/2010 18:31:
Wrong venue for this subject but people here represent a variety 
of viewpoints and more important, think about details like this.


For years, all phone numbers had hyphen separators (212-555-1212) 
but use of the dot separator (212.555.1212) seems to be growing.


Any advantage of one over the other?



In France this number will often will be write like this :

21 25 55 12 12


And in belgium like:

in local 02/234.45.56 or O61/14.23.35 for international +32 2 
234.45.56 or +32 61 14.23.35




Why speaking of phone number in mozilla.support.seamonkey?


This is a mysterious deviation :-)
How do you format telephone numbers in SeaMonkey? How would you 
prefer telephone numbers to be formatted? Should there be a way to 
set up personal variations that can be translated into other user's 
favorite format? How are others doing it? Etc. In other words, this 
is a legitimate variation.


Too complicated to format something when we see a difference between 
belgium and france ... 2 adjacents nations :-)
Let everybody format their phone number as he want ... because if a 
have a belgian contact, i will format it as belgium does, if it's a 
french contact, i will format it as france does, and if a have a 
contact from USA the first part(00 1) will be formatted as i do in 
belgium followed by the US format. So i repeat ... in SM let people 
type what he want.
It really does not matter how you format it. The numbers must be entered 
into the system in a specific order so when I call the UK, I dial 
44nn and do not need any special characters, in fact, the 
special characters just get in the way. I am waiting to see if the 
telephone system is going to go hexadecimal. That should make it 
interesting. A major expansion of the dialable numbers with no increase 
in the number of characters to be dialed.

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Re: Printed Phone Numbers

[James]

W3BNR wrote:

On 11/7/2010 9:40 AM W3BNR wrote:

On 11/7/2010 9:31 AM James wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


< S N I P >

Outside the local calling area but within the same area code, a "1" 
must be dialed before the prefix and number. Do not use the area 
code as the call will fail.


Outside the area code and outside the local calling area, a "1", 
area code, prefix, and number must be dialed.


The above is why telephone numbers were usually delimited in one 
form or another with the numbers in the order in which they must be 
dialed (C-AAA-PPP-).


With all of these variations in how a number must be dialed makes 
formatting the telephone number difficult. This is why there are 
lots of local variations. Everyone has their own preference, but 
usually the numbers are delimited because of the many different 
requirements in different locations. No matter what you use as a 
delimiter, the format is 'long distance code/country code', 'area 
code', 'prefix', and 'number'. 18005551212 (no delimiters is easiest 
to type in and is the preferred format for most databases), 1 800 
555 1212 (spacebar is an easy hit on a keyboard), 1-800-555-1212 
(minus sign on a number pad), 1.800.555.1212 (decimal point on a 
number pad, usually easier to hit than the minus sign), 
1(800)555-1212 (traditional, but more difficult to type in), and 
personal variations that may include almost any characters other 
than digits as delimiters, usually non-alphabetic.


And yet, when dialing a 10 digit number (area code. prefix, number) 
with out the '1' a recording comes on and says 'You must dial one 
before thst number. Please hang up and re-dial'.


In this age of computers, if the hardware realizes that a '1' must be 
used, just why can't it add the '1' and continue? Or better yet - why 
MUST be use a '1' to being with?





And BTW - I do NOT have to use the '1' when using either of my cell 
phones.  One of which is on Verizon and the other is a TrackPhone.


I also said that VOIP and mobile phones have different rules and they 
conform to the land line format at the interface. My VOIP saves all 
numbers without delimiters, but includes all the digits necessary to 
dial any number to any country in the world. My land line must follow 
the dialing rules. Some computerized telephones will allow you 
variations and reformat what you dial to the land line rules. But 
manually dialed phones require some knowledge of the dialing rules for 
proper use.

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Re: Printed Phone Numbers

[James]

W3BNR wrote:

On 11/7/2010 9:31 AM James wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


<  S N I P >

Outside the local calling area but within the same area code, a "1" 
must be dialed before the prefix and number. Do not use the area code 
as the call will fail.


Outside the area code and outside the local calling area, a "1", area 
code, prefix, and number must be dialed.


The above is why telephone numbers were usually delimited in one form 
or another with the numbers in the order in which they must be dialed 
(C-AAA-PPP-).


With all of these variations in how a number must be dialed makes 
formatting the telephone number difficult. This is why there are lots 
of local variations. Everyone has their own preference, but usually 
the numbers are delimited because of the many different requirements 
in different locations. No matter what you use as a delimiter, the 
format is 'long distance code/country code', 'area code', 'prefix', 
and 'number'. 18005551212 (no delimiters is easiest to type in and is 
the preferred format for most databases), 1 800 555 1212 (spacebar is 
an easy hit on a keyboard), 1-800-555-1212 (minus sign on a number 
pad), 1.800.555.1212 (decimal point on a number pad, usually easier 
to hit than the minus sign), 1(800)555-1212 (traditional, but more 
difficult to type in), and personal variations that may include 
almost any characters other than digits as delimiters, usually 
non-alphabetic.


And yet, when dialing a 10 digit number (area code. prefix, number) 
with out the '1' a recording comes on and says 'You must dial one 
before thst number. Please hang up and re-dial'.


In this age of computers, if the hardware realizes that a '1' must be 
used, just why can't it add the '1' and continue?  Or better yet - why 
MUST be use a '1' to being with?




Which is why I said that nothing is optional when dialing from a land line.
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Re: Printed Phone Numbers

[James]

Ray_Net wrote:

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

Hi,

JohnW-Mpls a tapoté, le 31/10/2010 18:31:
Wrong venue for this subject but people here represent a variety of 
viewpoints and more important, think about details like this.


For years, all phone numbers had hyphen separators (212-555-1212) 
but use of the dot separator (212.555.1212) seems to be growing.


Any advantage of one over the other?



In France this number will often will be write like this :

21 25 55 12 12


And in belgium like:

in local 02/234.45.56 or O61/14.23.35
for international
+32 2 234.45.56 or +32 61 14.23.35



Why speaking of phone number in mozilla.support.seamonkey?


This is a mysterious deviation :-)
How do you format telephone numbers in SeaMonkey? How would you prefer 
telephone numbers to be formatted? Should there be a way to set up 
personal variations that can be translated into other user's favorite 
format? How are others doing it? Etc. In other words, this is a 
legitimate variation.

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Re: Printed Phone Numbers

[James]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:


Sun, 31 Oct 2010 20:02:23 +0200, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:31:37 -0500, /JohnW-Mpls/:

For years, all phone numbers had hyphen separators (212-555-1212) 
but use of the dot separator (212.555.1212) seems to be growing.


Any advantage of one over the other?


What I've seen as mostly recommended and widely used in examples is 
that "only spaces should be used to visually separate groups of 
numbers", e.g. ...


But here's some more specific info for North America 
: 




The traditional convention for phone numbers is (AAA) BBB-... 
Sometimes the stylized format of AAA.BBB. is seen, more common 
since the rise of the Internet and the dot-separated notation of 
domain names and their subdomains.


One small piece of background: in the olden days, the area code (the 
first three digits) were usually parenthesized because local callers 
(who shared the same area code) could omit them when dialing -- the 
parentheses meant "optional, use as needed," or something like that. 
With the advent of 10-digit dialing, where even local callers must 
dial all 10 digits even when they share the area code, the parentheses 
have fallen out of use.


As for periods and hyphens, I never saw periods here in the US until 
the last few years, so to me they look foreign. I've seen them in 
foreign texts for decades, and that fact helps form my impression that 
they're foreign. But I also now see them from native-born monolingual 
Americans, and a growing alternative perception in my mind is that 
they're doing it for stylistic reasons, to appear chic or something.


In the old days, there was no 'optional' way to dial. Optional became 
possible with digital computers on telephone equipment, but mostly from 
the user's end. As VOIP and mobile phones have different rules and adapt 
to the land line rules at the exchange, the following examples are land 
line based:


Some small communities still dial four digits to reach a neighbor that 
has the same area code and prefix.


Most local communities use the prefix and number to dial anyone in their 
local calling area unless their local calling area includes a different 
area code. They do not dial a "1" for local calls.


Outside the local calling area but within the same area code, a "1" must 
be dialed before the prefix and number. Do not use the area code as the 
call will fail.


Outside the area code and outside the local calling area, a "1", area 
code, prefix, and number must be dialed.


The above is why telephone numbers were usually delimited in one form or 
another with the numbers in the order in which they must be dialed 
(C-AAA-PPP-).


With all of these variations in how a number must be dialed makes 
formatting the telephone number difficult. This is why there are lots of 
local variations. Everyone has their own preference, but usually the 
numbers are delimited because of the many different requirements in 
different locations. No matter what you use as a delimiter, the format 
is 'long distance code/country code', 'area code', 'prefix', and 
'number'. 18005551212 (no delimiters is easiest to type in and is the 
preferred format for most databases), 1 800 555 1212 (spacebar is an 
easy hit on a keyboard), 1-800-555-1212 (minus sign on a number pad), 
1.800.555.1212 (decimal point on a number pad, usually easier to hit 
than the minus sign), 1(800)555-1212 (traditional, but more difficult to 
type in), and personal variations that may include almost any characters 
other than digits as delimiters, usually non-alphabetic.

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Re: email certificates

[James]

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:
I set up SeaMonkey with certificates for each email account. 
The major problem is to get the certificates recognized in 
Thunderbird and vice versa. I keep getting the broken key 
symbol. Something similar happens on the other end.


The certificates are functional between the accounts I 
manage, but I do not have any external correspondents with 
other certificate enabled email clients to extend my range 
of testing.


Unless I get a solution soon, I must abandon SeaMonkey. Has 
anyone compiled a list of email certificate problems, with 
or without solutions?


The same certificates will work just as good SeaMonkey as in 
Thunderbird. export your personal certificates (from Versign 
or thawte) to folder (directory) on your hard drive. you will 
have to supply your password used to create the certificate. 
and in some cases if you have password protected Thunderbird 
you'll have to supply that as well. When you import into SM 
you have to supply those password(s) again. Certificate meant 
for MS products will not work on Mozilla Products. The 
certificate have to be customized by the company (Thawte / 
Versign) for the email Client and the OS. But any customized 
for Mozilla (or Netscape) works on any Mozilla Product.
You misunderstand. The certificates are properly installed and 
working, but a recipient that is using Thunderbird can not 
read encrypted email sent to him and I can not read encrypted 
email received from him. SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey works fine. 
SeaMonkey to or from Thunderbird does not work at all.


Oh you and he is supposed to send you public key to each other. 
The public key that each other receives works with the private 
keys if they fit you can talk. Go to Versign and look up 
Private key and Public key also look in SeaMonkey's help.


We each have traded certificate and public key data, yet it does 
not function. No help here. I am not a novice as I have been 
using email certificates for years without problems until I 
migrated to SeaMonkey. Unless I get a solution, SeaMonkey is 
history as far as I am concerned.


Excuse me, but did you address the issue "Certificates meant for 
MS products will not work on Mozilla Products"?


The certificates worked in Thunderbird without problems. They do 
not work in SeaMonkey. I presume my initial inquiry was too 
complex. *Certificate encrypted emails from SeaMonkey to 
Thunderbird do not decrypt. Certificate encrypted emails from 
Thunderbird to SeaMonkey do not decrypt.* That is as simple as I 
can explain the problem. Does anyone have a solution?


Since both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are both Mozilla products, I 
do not see how your reference applies. I do not use Micro$oft 
products unless I require a function found there that is not 
available elsewhere. For instance, I use Micro$oft Internet 
Explorer for those web pages that do not function using any other 
browser. Another example is that I only use Micro$oft Word when I 
must manipulate lists where tabs and paragraph marks must be used 
in 'search and replace' operations as Open Office does not support 
that function.
  How did you migrate the certificates did you do and export and 
then an import?


Yes, I exported the certificates from Thunderbird and imported them 
into SeaMonkey when I decided to migrate. The more I look at it, the 
more of a mistake that seems to be.
SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey test completed. Both SeaMonkey email clients 
had certificate authority issued certificates. After trading signed 
emails, encryption was successful in both directions.


Unfortunately, that does not help explain why it fails with 
Thunderbird. Without a fix, migrating back to Thunderbird will be 
necessary.


My thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread.


 Have you tried importing your SeaMonkey Cert to Thunderbird?

It originally came from ThunderBird, so I do not anticipate any problems 
there.


Further investigation shows that for some reason the public key is not 
being sent with the certificate, so when I look into the certificate 
file, there is nothing there from the Thunderbird client. I wonder if 
the Thunderbird client has correctly stored my certificate. I presume 
SeaMonkey automatically sends the public key with the signature, but I 
have been unable to verify that other than with a new correspondent (as 
per the latest test). I must remember to ask if the Thunderbird client 
has a copy of my certificate and public key.

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Re: email certificates

[James]

James wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

James wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

James wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:46 PM, James wrote:
You make it seem as if you never sent or received an encrypted 
email using your method. If you had, you would know what each 
participant is required to have. Still, when I have time, I will 
continue to research Enigmail. So far it seems it will only work 
with Mozilla email client programs.
Actually, I sent encrypted/signed message to and received from 
many people. However, I don't know what they were using.
Reading the documentation makes it seem that it is a certificate 
creator and manager. There is nothing that presumes the 
certificates will not work anywhere a certificate is used. I do 
not think this will solve the problem in sending certificate 
encrypted emails to Thunderbird and receiving certificate 
encrypted emails from Thunderbird.


I tried again to encrypt to Thunderbird and again failed. All the 
other attempts succeeded. Without a definitive answer to the 
SeaMonkey email certificate problem, I must migrate back to 
Thunderbird.


Personally, I believe that all internet traffic should be 
encrypted. Unfortunately, the majority say, "I keep myself 
vulnerable because I want to be abused, here is my banking 
information". I do not wish the hackers to know that I am saying 
things like, "Hello, how are you?" in the emails I send. Let them 
try to decrypt it to find out there is no personal info there.


So you need to sent the public key to everyone in the world - 
because you don't know to which person the destination of the next 
mail will be...
Is that not how Enigmail works? You trade public keys (certificates) 
then you may encrypt? I have zero experience with Enigmail,
Me too :-) I think that you must send public key but you should 
encrypt with your personal key. I never use encrypted mail to not 
force the recipent to install decryption software, etc ... let the 
people stay simple and reserve encrypted mail if you want to sent 
sensible data in a mail.
It seems to me that Enigmail makes certificates easier to create and 
manage, but the signed and encrypted emails themselves are handled the 
same with or without Enigmail. If you would like to practice, you may 
send me a signed email. I will then reply signed. Then we may attempt 
sending each other encrypted emails. You with Enigmail and me without. 
It should work as we are both using SeaMonkey. I would like to test it 
out with someone that is using Thunderbird as I have only one 
correspondent that uses Thunderbird for encryption and it would be 
useful to find out if it works or the problem is with SeaMonkey or 
with Thunderbird. One point on a chart does not make a graph.
SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey test completed. Both SeaMonkey email clients had 
certificate authority issued certificates. After trading signed emails, 
encryption was successful in both directions.


Unfortunately, that does not help explain why it fails with Thunderbird. 
Without a fix, migrating back to Thunderbird will be necessary.


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Re: email certificates

[James]

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:
I set up SeaMonkey with certificates for each email account. 
The major problem is to get the certificates recognized in 
Thunderbird and vice versa. I keep getting the broken key 
symbol. Something similar happens on the other end.


The certificates are functional between the accounts I manage, 
but I do not have any external correspondents with other 
certificate enabled email clients to extend my range of testing.


Unless I get a solution soon, I must abandon SeaMonkey. Has 
anyone compiled a list of email certificate problems, with or 
without solutions?


The same certificates will work just as good SeaMonkey as in 
Thunderbird. export your personal certificates (from Versign or 
thawte) to folder (directory) on your hard drive. you will have 
to supply your password used to create the certificate. and in 
some cases if you have password protected Thunderbird you'll 
have to supply that as well. When you import into SM you have 
to supply those password(s) again. Certificate meant for MS 
products will not work on Mozilla Products. The certificate 
have to be customized by the company (Thawte / Versign) for the 
email Client and the OS. But any customized for Mozilla (or 
Netscape) works on any Mozilla Product.
You misunderstand. The certificates are properly installed and 
working, but a recipient that is using Thunderbird can not read 
encrypted email sent to him and I can not read encrypted email 
received from him. SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey works fine. SeaMonkey 
to or from Thunderbird does not work at all.


Oh you and he is supposed to send you public key to each other. 
The public key that each other receives works with the private 
keys if they fit you can talk. Go to Versign and look up Private 
key and Public key also look in SeaMonkey's help.


We each have traded certificate and public key data, yet it does 
not function. No help here. I am not a novice as I have been using 
email certificates for years without problems until I migrated to 
SeaMonkey. Unless I get a solution, SeaMonkey is history as far as 
I am concerned.


Excuse me, but did you address the issue "Certificates meant for MS 
products will not work on Mozilla Products"?


The certificates worked in Thunderbird without problems. They do not 
work in SeaMonkey. I presume my initial inquiry was too complex. 
*Certificate encrypted emails from SeaMonkey to Thunderbird do not 
decrypt. Certificate encrypted emails from Thunderbird to SeaMonkey 
do not decrypt.* That is as simple as I can explain the problem. 
Does anyone have a solution?


Since both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are both Mozilla products, I do 
not see how your reference applies. I do not use Micro$oft products 
unless I require a function found there that is not available 
elsewhere. For instance, I use Micro$oft Internet Explorer for those 
web pages that do not function using any other browser. Another 
example is that I only use Micro$oft Word when I must manipulate 
lists where tabs and paragraph marks must be used in 'search and 
replace' operations as Open Office does not support that function.
 How did you migrate the certificates did you do and export and then 
an import?


Yes, I exported the certificates from Thunderbird and imported them 
into SeaMonkey when I decided to migrate. The more I look at it, the 
more of a mistake that seems to be.
SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey test completed. Both SeaMonkey email clients had 
certificate authority issued certificates. After trading signed emails, 
encryption was successful in both directions.


Unfortunately, that does not help explain why it fails with Thunderbird. 
Without a fix, migrating back to Thunderbird will be necessary.


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Re: email certificates

[James]

Ray_Net wrote:

James wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

James wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:46 PM, James wrote:

You make it seem as if you never sent or received an encrypted
email using your method. If you had, you would know what each
participant is required to have. Still, when I have time, I will
continue to research Enigmail. So far it seems it will only work
with Mozilla email client programs.

Actually, I sent encrypted/signed message to and received from many
people. However, I don't know what they were using.

Reading the documentation makes it seem that it is a certificate
creator and manager. There is nothing that presumes the certificates
will not work anywhere a certificate is used. I do not think this
will solve the problem in sending certificate encrypted emails to
Thunderbird and receiving certificate encrypted emails from 
Thunderbird.


I tried again to encrypt to Thunderbird and again failed. All the
other attempts succeeded. Without a definitive answer to the
SeaMonkey email certificate problem, I must migrate back to 
Thunderbird.


Personally, I believe that all internet traffic should be encrypted.
Unfortunately, the majority say, "I keep myself vulnerable because I
want to be abused, here is my banking information". I do not wish the
hackers to know that I am saying things like, "Hello, how are you?"
in the emails I send. Let them try to decrypt it to find out there is
no personal info there.


So you need to sent the public key to everyone in the world - because
you don't know to which person the destination of the next mail will
be...

Is that not how Enigmail works? You trade public keys (certificates)
then you may encrypt? I have zero experience with Enigmail,

Me too :-)
I think that you must send public key but you should encrypt with your 
personal key.
I never use encrypted mail to not force the recipent to install 
decryption software, etc ... let the people stay simple and reserve 
encrypted mail if you want to sent sensible data in a mail.
It seems to me that Enigmail makes certificates easier to create and 
manage, but the signed and encrypted emails themselves are handled the 
same with or without Enigmail. If you would like to practice, you may 
send me a signed email. I will then reply signed. Then we may attempt 
sending each other encrypted emails. You with Enigmail and me without. 
It should work as we are both using SeaMonkey. I would like to test it 
out with someone that is using Thunderbird as I have only one 
correspondent that uses Thunderbird for encryption and it would be 
useful to find out if it works or the problem is with SeaMonkey or with 
Thunderbird. One point on a chart does not make a graph.

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Re: Google docs broken with latest upgrade

[James]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Doug Fisher wrote:

With the latest upgrade to 2.09, Google docs is now showing in "basic
HTML" mode and is uneditable. SeaMonkey is being detected as a
noncompliant browser.

This has not happened before. Nothing else had changed on my system (OSX
10.6.4)

Doug Fisher


That has been going on since 2.01 for me (Win XP SP3) but works in 
Firefox 3.0 and up. I have complained on Google forums that they are 
not detecting the browser properly but I never had get a response.
Yahoo web email is the same way, but there is a link there that allows 
you to ignore the warning. Everything seems to work so I never bothered 
complaining.

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Re: email certificates

[James]

Ray_Net wrote:

James wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:46 PM, James wrote:
You make it seem as if you never sent or received an encrypted 
email using your method. If you had, you would know what each 
participant is required to have. Still, when I have time, I will 
continue to research Enigmail. So far it seems it will only work 
with Mozilla email client programs.
Actually, I sent encrypted/signed message to and received from many 
people. However, I don't know what they were using.
Reading the documentation makes it seem that it is a certificate 
creator and manager. There is nothing that presumes the certificates 
will not work anywhere a certificate is used. I do not think this 
will solve the problem in sending certificate encrypted emails to 
Thunderbird and receiving certificate encrypted emails from Thunderbird.


I tried again to encrypt to Thunderbird and again failed. All the 
other attempts succeeded. Without a definitive answer to the 
SeaMonkey email certificate problem, I must migrate back to Thunderbird.


Personally, I believe that all internet traffic should be encrypted. 
Unfortunately, the majority say, "I keep myself vulnerable because I 
want to be abused, here is my banking information". I do not wish the 
hackers to know that I am saying things like, "Hello, how are you?" 
in the emails I send. Let them try to decrypt it to find out there is 
no personal info there.


So you need to sent the public key to everyone in the world - because 
you don't know to which person the destination of the next mail will 
be...
Is that not how Enigmail works? You trade public keys (certificates) 
then you may encrypt? I have zero experience with Enigmail, but the 
documentation suggests it is a certificate generator and certificate 
manager add-on for Mozilla email client programs.


Certificates issued by certificate authorities work to enable you to 
sign emails that can be sent to anyone, but both sender and recipient 
need each other's public keys for encryption. Trading certificates with 
an initial email and reply using signed emails is about as convenient as 
it gets before you can start sending encrypted emails.


Before secure emails, you had to encrypt a file and send it as an 
attachment. Self-extracting files were executable (.exe) and all the 
emails I tried to send with an executable file were stopped. This means 
both need the same encryption software. Trading passwords securely may 
be a problem using stand alone encryption. In my experience, the 
majority have no idea that their emails are being routinely scanned by 
hackers looking for a quick profit. I keep hearing stories about people 
sending credit card info to a family member to make a purchase and the 
credit card or bank account being raided for all it is worth by a hacker 
even before the family member can use it. I do not even like sending 
unencrypted emails that have no personal information, but convincing the 
drooling mouth breather with a mind of a gnat that encryption is good is 
as harder than teaching people to breathe under water. They argue, "I 
have nothing to hide."


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Re: email certificates

[James]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 10/25/2010 12:46 PM, James wrote:
   

You make it seem as if you never sent or received an encrypted email
using your method. If you had, you would know what each participant is
required to have. Still, when I have time, I will continue to research
Enigmail. So far it seems it will only work with Mozilla email client
programs.
 

Actually, I sent encrypted/signed message to and received from many
people. However, I don't know what they were using.
   
Reading the documentation makes it seem that it is a certificate creator 
and manager. There is nothing that presumes the certificates will not 
work anywhere a certificate is used. I do not think this will solve the 
problem in sending certificate encrypted emails to Thunderbird and 
receiving certificate encrypted emails from Thunderbird.


I tried again to encrypt to Thunderbird and again failed. All the other 
attempts succeeded. Without a definitive answer to the SeaMonkey email 
certificate problem, I must migrate back to Thunderbird.


Personally, I believe that all internet traffic should be encrypted. 
Unfortunately, the majority say, "I keep myself vulnerable because I 
want to be abused, here is my banking information". I do not wish the 
hackers to know that I am saying things like, "Hello, how are you?" in 
the emails I send. Let them try to decrypt it to find out there is no 
personal info there.

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Re: email certificates

[James]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 10/24/2010 1:43 PM, James wrote:
   

Mark Hansen wrote:
 

On 10/23/2010 6:24 PM, James wrote:

   

I have been using email certificates for years. The only time I had
email certificate problems is when I started using SeaMonkey.

 

Have you considered using Enigmail? To be honest, I didn't even know
SeaMonkey had a built-in way to send/receive encrypted e-mail messages.

Enigmail provides this and has been working for me for years.

   

I have been looking at the documentation and found no reference to how
the other user would be able to use anything I sent to them encrypted.
Does each party need the same program? If so, then this application will
be severely limited as most of my correspondents that use certificate
encryption use Outlook, Outlook Express, or some other email client
program. My problem is with the Thunderbird user.

I will continue to look into this and I thank you for your suggestion.
 

 From what I understand, the encrypted e-mail message is done in an
industry-standard way, so anyone (with the correct public pgp key)
should be able to read it.

However, I don't know for sure. You might want to check with the author's
site. I'm sure he has an FAQ or is willing to answer questions, etc.

Good luck.
   
You make it seem as if you never sent or received an encrypted email 
using your method. If you had, you would know what each participant is 
required to have. Still, when I have time, I will continue to research 
Enigmail. So far it seems it will only work with Mozilla email client 
programs.

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Re: email certificates

[James]

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

I set up SeaMonkey with certificates for each email account. The
major
problem is to get the certificates recognized in Thunderbird and
vice
versa. I keep getting the broken key symbol. Something similar
happens
on the other end.

The certificates are functional between the accounts I manage, but
I do
not have any external correspondents with other certificate 
enabled

email clients to extend my range of testing.

Unless I get a solution soon, I must abandon SeaMonkey. Has anyone
compiled a list of email certificate problems, with or without
solutions?


The same certificates will work just as good SeaMonkey as in
Thunderbird.
export your personal certificates (from Versign or thawte) to 
folder
(directory) on your hard drive. you will have to supply your 
password

used to create the certificate. and in some cases if you have
password
protected Thunderbird you'll have to supply that as well. When you
import into SM you have to supply those password(s) again.
Certificate meant for MS products will not work on Mozilla 
Products.

The certificate have to be customized by the company (Thawte /
Versign) for the email Client and the OS. But any customized for
Mozilla (or Netscape) works on any Mozilla Product.

You misunderstand. The certificates are properly installed and
working,
but a recipient that is using Thunderbird can not read encrypted 
email

sent to him and I can not read encrypted email received from him.
SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey works fine. SeaMonkey to or from Thunderbird
does
not work at all.


Oh you and he is supposed to send you public key to each other. The
public key that each other receives works with the private keys if
they fit you can talk. Go to Versign and look up Private key and
Public key also look in SeaMonkey's help.


We each have traded certificate and public key data, yet it does not
function. No help here. I am not a novice as I have been using email
certificates for years without problems until I migrated to SeaMonkey.
Unless I get a solution, SeaMonkey is history as far as I am 
concerned.


Excuse me, but did you address the issue "Certificates meant for MS
products will not work on Mozilla Products"?


The certificates worked in Thunderbird without problems. They do not
work in SeaMonkey. I presume my initial inquiry was too complex.
*Certificate encrypted emails from SeaMonkey to Thunderbird do not
decrypt. Certificate encrypted emails from Thunderbird to SeaMonkey do
not decrypt.* That is as simple as I can explain the problem. Does
anyone have a solution?

Since both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are both Mozilla products, I do not
see how your reference applies. I do not use Micro$oft products unless I
require a function found there that is not available elsewhere. For
instance, I use Micro$oft Internet Explorer for those web pages that do
not function using any other browser. Another example is that I only use
Micro$oft Word when I must manipulate lists where tabs and paragraph
marks must be used in 'search and replace' operations as Open Office
does not support that function.
 How did you migrate the certificates did you do and export and then 
an import?


Yes, I exported the certificates from Thunderbird and imported them into 
SeaMonkey when I decided to migrate. The more I look at it, the more of 
a mistake that seems to be.

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Re: email certificates

[James]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 10/23/2010 6:24 PM, James wrote:
   

I have been using email certificates for years. The only time I had
email certificate problems is when I started using SeaMonkey.
 

Have you considered using Enigmail? To be honest, I didn't even know
SeaMonkey had a built-in way to send/receive encrypted e-mail messages.

Enigmail provides this and has been working for me for years.
   
I have been looking at the documentation and found no reference to how 
the other user would be able to use anything I sent to them encrypted. 
Does each party need the same program? If so, then this application will 
be severely limited as most of my correspondents that use certificate 
encryption use Outlook, Outlook Express, or some other email client 
program. My problem is with the Thunderbird user.


I will continue to look into this and I thank you for your suggestion.
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Re: email certificates

[James]

Rick Merrill wrote:
James wrote:
  
  Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:
  
  Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:
  
  I set up SeaMonkey with certificates
for each email account. The major

problem is to get the certificates recognized in Thunderbird and vice

versa. I keep getting the broken key symbol. Something similar happens

on the other end.


The certificates are functional between the accounts I manage, but

I do

not have any external correspondents with other certificate enabled

email clients to extend my range of testing.


Unless I get a solution soon, I must abandon SeaMonkey. Has anyone

compiled a list of email certificate problems, with or without

solutions?

  
  
The same certificates will work just as good SeaMonkey as in
  
Thunderbird.
  
export your personal certificates (from Versign or thawte) to folder
  
(directory) on your hard drive. you will have to supply your password
  
used to create the certificate. and in some cases if you have password
  
protected Thunderbird you'll have to supply that as well. When you
  
import into SM you have to supply those password(s) again.
  
Certificate meant for MS products will not work on Mozilla Products.
  
The certificate have to be customized by the company (Thawte /
  
Versign) for the email Client and the OS. But any customized for
  
Mozilla (or Netscape) works on any Mozilla Product.
  

You misunderstand. The certificates are properly installed and working,

but a recipient that is using Thunderbird can not read encrypted email

sent to him and I can not read encrypted email received from him.

SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey works fine. SeaMonkey to or from Thunderbird
does

not work at all.

  
  
Oh you and he is supposed to send you public key to each other. The
  
public key that each other receives works with the private keys if
  
they fit you can talk. Go to Versign and look up Private key and
  
Public key also look in SeaMonkey's help.
  
  

We each have traded certificate and public key data, yet it does not

function. No help here. I am not a novice as I have been using email

certificates for years without problems until I migrated to SeaMonkey.

Unless I get a solution, SeaMonkey is history as far as I am concerned.

  
  
Excuse me, but did you address the issue "Certificates meant for MS
products will not work on Mozilla Products"?
  
  

The certificates worked in Thunderbird without problems. They do not
work in SeaMonkey. I presume my initial inquiry was too complex. Certificate encrypted emails from SeaMonkey to
Thunderbird do not decrypt. Certificate encrypted emails from
Thunderbird to SeaMonkey do not decrypt. That is as simple
as I can explain the problem. Does anyone have a solution?

Since both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are both Mozilla products, I do
not see how your reference applies. I do not use Micro$oft products
unless I require a function found there that is not available
elsewhere. For instance, I use Micro$oft Internet Explorer for those
web pages that do not function using any other browser. Another example
is that I only use Micro$oft Word when I must manipulate lists where
tabs and paragraph marks must be used in 'search and replace'
operations as Open Office does not support that function.


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Re: email certificates

[James]

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

I set up SeaMonkey with certificates for each email account. The major
problem is to get the certificates recognized in Thunderbird and vice
versa. I keep getting the broken key symbol. Something similar happens
on the other end.

The certificates are functional between the accounts I manage, but 
I do

not have any external correspondents with other certificate enabled
email clients to extend my range of testing.

Unless I get a solution soon, I must abandon SeaMonkey. Has anyone
compiled a list of email certificate problems, with or without
solutions?


The same certificates will work just as good SeaMonkey as in 
Thunderbird.

export your personal certificates (from Versign or thawte) to folder
(directory) on your hard drive. you will have to supply your password
used to create the certificate. and in some cases if you have password
protected Thunderbird you'll have to supply that as well.  When you
import into SM you have to supply those  password(s) again.
Certificate meant for MS products will not work on Mozilla Products.
The certificate have to be customized by the company (Thawte /
Versign) for the email Client and the OS. But any customized for
Mozilla (or Netscape) works on any Mozilla Product.

You misunderstand. The certificates are properly installed and working,
but a recipient that is using Thunderbird can not read encrypted email
sent to him and I can not read encrypted email received from him.
SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey works fine. SeaMonkey to or from Thunderbird does
not work at all.


Oh you and he is supposed to send you public key to each other. The 
public key that each other receives works with the private keys if 
they fit you can talk.  Go to Versign and look up Private key and 
Public key also look in SeaMonkey's help.


We each have traded certificate and public key data, yet it does not 
function. No help here. I am not a novice as I have been using email 
certificates for years without problems until I migrated to SeaMonkey. 
Unless I get a solution, SeaMonkey is history as far as I am concerned.

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Re: email certificates

[James]

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

I set up SeaMonkey with certificates for each email account. The major
problem is to get the certificates recognized in Thunderbird and vice
versa. I keep getting the broken key symbol. Something similar happens
on the other end.

The certificates are functional between the accounts I manage, but I do
not have any external correspondents with other certificate enabled
email clients to extend my range of testing.

Unless I get a solution soon, I must abandon SeaMonkey. Has anyone
compiled a list of email certificate problems, with or without 
solutions?


The same certificates will work just as good SeaMonkey as in Thunderbird.
export your personal certificates (from Versign or thawte) to folder 
(directory) on your hard drive. you will have to supply your password 
used to create the certificate. and in some cases if you have password 
protected Thunderbird you'll have to supply that as well.  When you 
import into SM you have to supply those  password(s) again.
Certificate meant for MS products will not work on Mozilla Products. 
The certificate have to be customized by the company (Thawte / 
Versign) for the email Client and the OS. But any customized for 
Mozilla (or Netscape) works on any Mozilla Product.
I have been using email certificates for years. The only time I had 
email certificate problems is when I started using SeaMonkey.

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Re: email certificates

[James]

Phillip Jones wrote:

James wrote:

I set up SeaMonkey with certificates for each email account. The major
problem is to get the certificates recognized in Thunderbird and vice
versa. I keep getting the broken key symbol. Something similar happens
on the other end.

The certificates are functional between the accounts I manage, but I do
not have any external correspondents with other certificate enabled
email clients to extend my range of testing.

Unless I get a solution soon, I must abandon SeaMonkey. Has anyone
compiled a list of email certificate problems, with or without 
solutions?


The same certificates will work just as good SeaMonkey as in Thunderbird.
export your personal certificates (from Versign or thawte) to folder 
(directory) on your hard drive. you will have to supply your password 
used to create the certificate. and in some cases if you have password 
protected Thunderbird you'll have to supply that as well.  When you 
import into SM you have to supply those  password(s) again.
Certificate meant for MS products will not work on Mozilla Products. 
The certificate have to be customized by the company (Thawte / 
Versign) for the email Client and the OS. But any customized for 
Mozilla (or Netscape) works on any Mozilla Product.
You misunderstand. The certificates are properly installed and working, 
but a recipient that is using Thunderbird can not read encrypted email 
sent to him and I can not read encrypted email received from him. 
SeaMonkey to SeaMonkey works fine. SeaMonkey to or from Thunderbird does 
not work at all.

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email certificates

[James]

I set up SeaMonkey with certificates for each email account. The major 
problem is to get the certificates recognized in Thunderbird and vice 
versa. I keep getting the broken key symbol. Something similar happens 
on the other end.


The certificates are functional between the accounts I manage, but I do 
not have any external correspondents with other certificate enabled 
email clients to extend my range of testing.


Unless I get a solution soon, I must abandon SeaMonkey. Has anyone 
compiled a list of email certificate problems, with or without solutions?

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Re: Cannot send except at home

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d...@kd4e.com wrote:

James E. Morrow wrote:

Allow me to jump in here. I'm a Cox HSI customer so I have some
familiarity with port 25 blocking. You may wish to ask your nonISP email
providers what SMTP port to use. This will generally be port 587. If SSL
is used then use port 465. Your email provider (not your ISP) will be
able to tell you what ports and with what settings their server is
listening.

If you are away from home and can't log on to your ISP then you can't
send over their network. Use their web-mail.

When I send emails here at home Cox's MX mail transit servers are the
only Cox servers touching my email, not their SMTP or POP servers.


It has been a couple of decades since I was a systems manager and
I have probably forgotten more about networking than I ever knew! :-(

Can you clarify the hierarchy of the Internet access process?

Where are the Ports and other security-related settings and other
addresses controlled?

e.g. Is Port 25 or 26 or 465 or 587 *always* controlled only by
whatever server controls the In and Out E-mail and Web access
(incl. FTP and VNC)? Or does the ISP (the one I use from Home
or the Wifi at the coffee shop or library or hotel or airport)
have to allow access to those ports?

HOME
-

My ISP
My ISP-hosted E-mail In & Out & Web
E-mail In & Out *not* hosted by my ISP

AWAY FROM HOME WIFI
--
The Host Wifi (e.g. a coffeehouse)
My ISP-hosted E-mail In & Out
E-mail In & Out *not* hosted by my ISP


Go to edit, Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings, Outgoing Servers, Edit in 
Seamonkey to adjust the port settings for SMTP.


The email provider controls what port can be used. But the ISP can block 
the use of a port. It is quite common to block port 25 outgoing to 
prevent the sending of spam. The use of alternate port will generally be 
allowed.


When using HOST WiFi away from home  the HOST WiFi provider will have 
control, but the real issue is what port does the server listen to? Port 
587 is the most common if you can't use 25. The Internet provider and 
the email server provider must allow the port for it to work. But the 
ISP or HOST  WiFi provider has little incentive to block anything but 
port 25. Still it pays to ask. The law of "My server -- my rules" 
generally controls.




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Re: Cannot send except at home

[James E. Morrow]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

 > Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


If your home ISP is indifferent as to which SMTP server you use, all
will work. If your road ISP requires you to use their SMTP server, then
any mail sent to any SMTP server other than theirs will be blocked.


My ISP let me use any SMTP server i want - BUT ...
...If i use mys ISP SMTP server i MUST be connected thru my ISP.
When i am not connected at my ISP network, i must use their webmail
mechanisn.


Well, two of the three E-mail providers allow Port 26, my ISP does not.

If Port 26 works at non-home Wifi sites then I will ask my ISP to
enable Port 26 so I can leave all of them set that way all the time.

Allow me to jump in here. I'm a Cox HSI customer so I have some 
familiarity with port 25 blocking. You may wish to ask your nonISP email 
providers what SMTP port to use. This will generally be port 587. If SSL 
is used then use port 465. Your email provider (not your ISP) will be 
able to tell you what ports and with what settings their server is 
listening.


If you are away from home and can't log on to your ISP then you can't 
send over their network. Use their web-mail.


When I send emails here at home Cox's MX mail transit servers are the 
only Cox servers touching my email, not their SMTP or POP servers.


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Re: Multiple bookmark entries.

[James E. Morrow]

Bernard Mercier wrote:

I am prety sure I have multiple bookmarks to the same url.
Will there be development in the bookmarks manager to detect those?
If not what solutions have posters here for this? (I didn't find an addon for
it)


You may wish to consider AM Dead Link.

http://www.aignes.com/deadlink.htm

I've used it for some years now and it seems to work with Seamonkey 
(which it may find as Mozilla Suite) Opera, IE and Chrome. The program 
helps to eliminate obsolete and duplicate bookmarks.


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Engaging Google Gears and HTML-5 features in older OSes

[James Greenidge]

Greetings.

Is there any way to coax SM 1.8 (or FF 2.0) to use Google Gears so that 
I can use Zoho Writer's compose off-line feature among others in a OSX 
Panther G3? I know technically it's supposed to be a non-no, but are 
there any bold underground haxie tricks to allow it? Also, though I know 
it's going to be phased out for HTML-5, will SM also accomplish this and 
will it still regard us soon-orphaned (i.e. Firefox) G4 Tiger users as well?


Thanks!

JimWG
PPC eMac 10.4.11


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SM Keeps Asking Twice Do You Want To Work Online?

[James Greenidge]

Greetings:

Subject tells it all. On boot-up SM keeps asking me twice whether I want 
to work online. Seems awfully redundant as well as an annoyance. Is is 
normal and if not how can I fix it?


Thanks!

JimWG



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Locking SeaMonkey Window Size

[James Greenidge]

Greetings:

I'd like to "lock" the size of my SeaMonkey windows (both Mail and 
Browser) so that they won't always cover the entire screen edge to edge 
to allow a tiny sliver of the desktop on the left side to be exposed 
where I can drag items off the SeaMonkey browser screen onto the desktop 
without constantly having to resize it so after booting it up or resize 
the Mail window blocking it off beneath.


Thanks for any hint.

JimWG


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Re: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17

[James Greenidge]

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:45:42 -0800 (PST)
From: JeffM
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Recommend Best Batch Odt To Doc Converter
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

James Greenidge wrote:
   

I've come across several batch odt to doc converter macros

 

This is NOT a word processor group.
If you want to continue to discuss that topic,
find a group about that topic.

   
/Excuse me/ while I apply some netiquette here, but I corrected myself 
only a minute or so after my error.  I'm considerate to /all/ my fellow 
users.


JimWG

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Recommend Batch Converter. Sorry. Wrong mail-list

[James Greenidge]

Sorry for the Recommend Batch Odt - Doc Converter posting. Wrong mail list!

Jim

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Recommend Best Batch Odt To Doc Converter

[James Greenidge]

Greetings;

I've come across several batch odt to doc converter macros, all very old 
and only do sxw and are cranky to get started. I'd like your 
recommendations on any that actually work. Thanks!


Jim
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Re: Turn Composer into a full-fledged word processor?

[James Greenidge]

Greetings:

I didn't intend to cause any heated discussion with this topic. I merely 
wanted to know whether a Composer "word-processor enhancement" plug-in 
was technically possible via a third party or hacker. I wasn't demanding 
it, though it'd be awfully fun to have in your quiver, especially since 
"cloud"-type word processors like Zoho have given exclusive attention to 
plugging in their features into MS Office and Word.


Jim in Queens NY


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Turn Composer into a full-fledged word processor?

[James Greenidge]

Greetings:

A clueless non-techie just asking you mavens out there; Is it possible 
via special plug-ins to turn Composer into a full-fledged word processor?


Thanks for any remarks.

Jim

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Can Thunderbird share Seamonkey's mail files?

[James Greenidge]

Greetings;

Currently each Thunderbird installed my G3 iBook's Tiger and Panther 
partitions share the same mail folder (installed the Panther partition) 
which greatly saves disk space and is never "out of mail sync" and it 
works just great. My question is I'd like to install SeaMonkey on the 
Tiger partition (since SM doesn't seem exist for Panther), but will the 
way SM re-formats mail files render them unreadable to Thunderbird in 
Panther?


Thanks for any tips.

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Why Does SM Ask If I Want To Work Online Twice?

[James Greenidge]

Greetings.

Subject says it all. On start-up a box pops up twice whether I want to 
work on-line. I can understand once, but why twice? There's nothing in 
Prefs regards this.


Thanks for any hints,

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re: Can FireDocs Word Processor Be Used In SeaMonkey?

[James Greenidge]

Greetings:

Yesterday at work I Googled up a reference to a "haxie patch" to allow 
FireDocs on SeaMonkey but I'd forgotten the exact search terms I used 
when I got home. Too many SM references to comb thru now! Would anyone 
know which patch this is and whether it works for SM 1.1 or SW 2.02?


Thanks!

JimWG


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Can SeaMonkey's Identity be changed to Firefox or IE?

[James Greenidge]

Greetings!

Some sites require IE or Firefox 2.0+ to log on or do forms. Can 
SeaMonkey ape these identities?


Keep up the great work!

JimWG
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Can FireDocs Word Processor Be Used In SeaMonkey?

[James Greenidge]

Greetings!

Can FireDocs Word Processor be used in SeaMonkey? http://firedocs.org/ 
If so, how can I install it?


JimWG
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Very stable and well-rounded program

[James Greenidge]

I've only recently returned to SeaMonkey after one day dabbling with it 
two years ago and I'm pleasantly surprised. It's replaced Firefox and 
Thunderbird in my 1 gig eMac as a snappy memory saver. Any cosmetic 
issues I might have pales to my concern that Tiger support continues in 
the spirit that the SeaMonkey project had to tough thru many 
cancellation perils since the Netscape days. Good work SeaMonkey engineers!


JimWG

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Re: Copying signons db between profiles

[James Cloos]

> Is a signons.sqlite file tied to another file in the profile, such as
> key3.db?

For future reference, it is indeed the case that copying the key3.db file
along with the signons.sqlite file works.

-JimC
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Copying signons db between profiles

[James Cloos]

I tried copying the signons.sqlite db from one profile (migrated from
my 1.18 profile) to a new profile created in SM 2.0.

Both profiles have the same master passwd.

As you may guess, however, the contents of the signons.sqlite are
ignored by the new profile, even though lsof(8) confirms that it
has the file open and it will add working entries to that same file.

The differences between a new, working entry and the existing, ignored
entry are only that the migrated entries lack formsubmiturl fields and
the IV and crypt-text are of course different.  (As shown by derdump
from nss.)

Is a signons.sqlite file tied to another file in the profile, such as
key3.db?

Is there any clean way to merge signons between profiles?

-JimC
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Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

[James]

James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS
use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can
chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others
have said.

Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can "snip" (i.e. cut and
delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving
enough for people to follow whats going on.

Good to see you've fixed your problem.

Daniel


For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and
receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going
to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded
anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well.

Lee


.
.
And it is much appreciated.

I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to 
PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the 
mailing list interface.


If there is not then why the heck is it even provided?  Members of this 
list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with 
every reply.


Incidentally, I always used "reply" on the mailing list just as I have 
here; that doesn't work on the mailing list.


Thanks,
James
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Re: TEXT PARTIALLY GRAY INSTEAD OF BLACK. WAS:

[James]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

James wrote:


Hi, Paul. Please see comments below...

[snip]

Hi, Paul. I told you I would let you know when I find another example
of the apparent random application of light or dark text and here it
is. I'm including the entire message, which is totally light gray text
[header and all; completely light type] in case you might pick up some
clue as to why it should all be light. Or not. Here's the post:
[snip]

End of quote. While in the digest ALL of the text above is light type
here in my composer it's all dark type. Why would it be all light type
in 2.0?

In addition the next message [number 3] in the digest [which happens
to be from me] shows exactly the same result: All light type,
including header in the part I wrote, while the quoted material [from
NoOp] is all dark. Here's the post:
[snip]

Above is the part I wrote, all in light type. Below is the quoted part
of the post, which is all dark type:
[snip]

End of quote. And again the type [while all light in my browser] all
shows up dark in composer.

Next I have messages 4, 5, 6 and 7 which all show complete dark type,
including headers.

Message 8 is all dark type except the part past the two dashes, which
is light. I believe this is the way you're saying it should be. And
AFAIK messages 9 and 10 follow in the manner you describe.

Sorry for so much typing, and I hope some of it makes sense.


What you say is clear, but I can't explain the behavior. Sorry.



.
.
Now that I've switched formats for receiving and replying to messages 
from this group [and hopefully gotten the excessive new threads problem 
cleared up] then all of those messages seem to follow the correct format 
for light and dark type.  However, I believe I still have the random 
switching between light and dark type in all of my other emails; most of 
which are from Yahoo groups.


Regards,
James
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Re: SEAMONKEY 2.0 QUICK LAUNCH ICON SHORTCUT GONE

[James]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

James wrote:




>
In-reply-to:






Learn how to use the news.mozilla.org nntp server to read/respond on
this newsgroup instead of using a listsrerv instead. Let me know and
I'll be happy to help guide you through the process.


.
.
First of all you may have already seen my post where I stated that I
had
the wrong name for the item. It's not actually "quick launch"; it's a
bar at the bottom of the page just to the right of the start button.
Sorry for the confusion. Maybe it's called "quick start" bar???
Anyway,
I place shortcuts there to all of my frequently used programs and
start
those programs by clicking the short cut icon. The icon for SM 2.0
disappeared after a few days and I wondered why.

So when you sent the page I looked for something referring
specifically
to my problem and did not find one [because I named it wrong]. That's
why I did not understand what part of the link was supposed to be
relevant [I already knew the "quick launch" feature was gone].

Next: How I reply. I highlight the message to which I wish to reply
and
hit "reply". That copies the message into composer; however the
subject
refers to the digest rather than the specific message so I copy the
subject into the subject line. Is that causing a problem?

As for your last paragraph unfortunately I don't know what you're
talking about. "Nntp server" and "listserv" don't mean anything to me.

Thanks for the assistance,
James


.
.
Lee sent me a post explaining much of the procedure to use another
method to reply and I'm trying that. However, right now I'm getting
pop-up boxes with messages that Seamonkey cannot copy the message to
"sent" [even before I send it] and in addition that it cannot save the
message to drafts. This happens every few seconds.

If this is a better way to reply can you tell me how to get rid of the
pop-up error messages? I also get a message that my post could not be
copied to the sent folder after I do actually send it.

Thanks,
James



Ah, this one threaded too, so we are on the right track.

I'm not sure why you are having a problem with sent and drafts. Click
Edit>>Mail& Newsgroup Account Settings.

Select your news.mozilla.org account on the left, then Copies and
Folders.

It would seem that SeaMonkey is having a problem finding the folder in
which to save copies of sent messages and drafts. The default location
should be "Sent" Folder on Local Folders, and "Drafts" Folder on Local
Folders. See what these settings are on your machine. Also, make sure
that the Local Folders account shows up in the Folder Pane.

I really don't know why you should be getting a Sent warning before you
have actually sent. Maybe someone else can chime in.

As far as Drafts, check in Edit>>Preference>>Mail &
Newsgroups>>Composition

There is a setting for Automatically save the message every _ minutes.
The default is 5 minutes. If it is set that way, try unchecking the box
and see if the warnings go away. Report back and we will see if we can
get it working properly.

Lee



.
.
I think/hope I have the "copy to folder" problem solved because for some
reason it was set to save to "mailxxx" or something like that; which
AFAIK does not exist. I don't save to "local folders" but rather to
another folder there; and I changed to that. Since I have almost 4 lines
typed without a pop-up "cannot save..." message it must be solved. Many
thanks.

One difference I have is that I save drafts every minute because it's a
real PITA to type up a complex 5 minute reply and have it evaporate
because the cat stepped on the keyboard! [ggg]

Re: The problem with new topics on my old replies [or new thread, or
whatever it was] can you [or anyone else] please explain to me why a new
thread was created when I specifically used "reply" instead of "create
new topic/thread"? My posts looked pretty much the same as everyone
else's but apparently were driving a number of people bananas. If I was
doing something that created the problem I'd like to know how to correct
it so I don't do it in the future. Of course it appears that I can reply
here without causing the problem for everyone [fingers still crossed!
{ggg}] but I'd like to know the correct way to use the other format [if
such exists]. And if it does not exist then why is it even provided?

I guess this really should be another thread, but with the problems I've
caused with my copious thread creating I'm a bit gun shy...

Thanks,
James


Great, I am glad the Sent thing was resolved. Saving a copy to Drafts
every minute is a little extreme. The default is five. Whena long
message is being saved, it does interrupt your ability to type for
awhile. I would sugg

Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

[James]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

James wrote:

Daniel wrote:

James wrote:



Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:07:50 -0800 (PST)
From: JeffM
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

James wrote:

/snip/


As you can [I hope; knock on wood] I'm using the format suggested by Lee
and he tells me it is now threading correctly. I just hope it keeps up.
I'm hitting "reply" here just like I did there.

Thanks,
James


Looking good so far James. Are you still having the problems with the
Sent and Drafts issue? As you suggested, it would be a good idea to post
a new thread on that, unless it has resolved itself.

Lee


.
.
Solved per your instructions, as I've posted.  I guess our posts have 
crossed each other...


Thanks,
James
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Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

[James]

Daniel wrote:

James wrote:



Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:07:50 -0800 (PST)
From: JeffM
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

James wrote:

>Which means utterly nothing to me. Once more, in English please? [ggg]

1) DON"T start a new thread each time you post.

2) DON'T use your Caps Lock key for Subject lines.


.
.
Thanks for your kind and generous advice.

James


....and again, James, you have started an entirely new thread.

You haven't got a clue, have you??

Daniel


.
.
Well, it's true I haven't a clue as to why a new thread or topic [or 
whatever it is] gets created when I specifically ALWAYS click "reply" 
and DO NOT choose "create new thread/topic".  It should be rather 
obvious that I'm not one of the "experts" here.


Now, since you apparently ARE one of the experts here why don't you 
invest a few lines of type to clue me in as to how I can prevent the 
same thing happen in the future and inadvertently driving a number of 
people nuts?  I'd like to be able to use the other [my original] format 
if it's possible to do so without screwing up the list for everyone else.


As you can [I hope; knock on wood] I'm using the format suggested by Lee 
and he tells me it is now threading correctly.  I just hope it keeps up. 
 I'm hitting "reply" here just like I did there.


Thanks,
James
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