Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-08 Thread Bill Davidsen 

»Q« wrote:

In ,
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj  wrote:


Another oddity is that the Xref: header line for the above article is
Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:37378
As I wrote. My SM 1.1.14 reports 37227 articles in the group.


$ date -u
Wed Mar  4 21:30:26 UTC 2009

$ telnet news.mozilla.org 119
Trying 216.196.97.169...
Connected to news.mozilla.giganews.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
 --> 200 news.mozilla.org
 <-- group mozilla.support.seamonkey
 --> 211 37385 2 37386 mozilla.support.seamonkey
 <-- quit
 --> 205 goodbye

  211 - the NNTP response code for "newsgroup selected ok"
37385 - an estimate of the number of articles in the group


Which on many nntp servers will just be the difference between the high and low 
article numbers plus one. Some do better at counting, and some do better 
depending on which storage algorithm is used.



2 - the article number of the oldest post
37386 - the article number of the youngest post

That's all the info that's available from the server.  Servers don't do
much to make sure the estimate is right;  if you've been downloading
messages from the start, your 37227 is probably much closer to correct.



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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-05 Thread chicagofan 

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

Hi,
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a tapoté, le 04.03.2009 21:18:

My SM 1.1.14 reports 37227 articles in the group.
My Seamonkey 2.0a3 say exactly the same and certainly 37228 when this 
message will be posted.


The first message i have is on 10.01.2006 07:04.
and Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:2

The first message on a newsgroup may be the message which create it.

Stéphane

My first article is also #2 with
message-id: 
and my last article is #37412
Message-ID: 
and the article count is reported as 37258 at this time.
37412-37258=154 So ~150 articles unaccounted for. ???



SPAM... and other articles *deleted* [as mentioned by others], explains 
it for me.

bj



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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-05 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

Hi,
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a tapoté, le 04.03.2009 21:18:

My SM 1.1.14 reports 37227 articles in the group.


My Seamonkey 2.0a3 say exactly the same and certainly 37228 when this 
message will be posted.


The first message i have is on 10.01.2006 07:04.
and Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:2

The first message on a newsgroup may be the message which create it.

Stéphane

My first article is also #2 with
message-id: 
and my last article is #37412
Message-ID: 
and the article count is reported as 37258 at this time.
37412-37258=154 So ~150 articles unaccounted for. ???
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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Daniel 

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 3/4/09 11:39 AM, _Seymour Wolfson_ spoke thusly:

Someone told me that SeaMonkey is no longer being maintained.
Is there any truth to that?


No. They may have been thinking of the Mozilla Application Suite no 
longer being maintained by the Mozilla Foundation, which was codenamed 
"seamonkey" (note the small 'm').
See 
. 



Ahhh! so that's why it's now Sea_M_onkey rather then Seamonkey!!

Ta.

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread »Q« 
In ,
Stéphane Grégoire  wrote:

> The first message i have is on 10.01.2006 07:04.
> and Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:2
>
> The first message on a newsgroup may be the message which create it.

Yes, that is the case for this server -- it caused some confusion when
the groups were created, people asking where article #1 was.

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread »Q« 
In ,
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj  wrote:

> Another oddity is that the Xref: header line for the above article is
> Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:37378
> As I wrote. My SM 1.1.14 reports 37227 articles in the group.

$ date -u
Wed Mar  4 21:30:26 UTC 2009

$ telnet news.mozilla.org 119
Trying 216.196.97.169...
Connected to news.mozilla.giganews.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
 --> 200 news.mozilla.org
 <-- group mozilla.support.seamonkey
 --> 211 37385 2 37386 mozilla.support.seamonkey
 <-- quit
 --> 205 goodbye

  211 - the NNTP response code for "newsgroup selected ok"
37385 - an estimate of the number of articles in the group
2 - the article number of the oldest post
37386 - the article number of the youngest post

That's all the info that's available from the server.  Servers don't do
much to make sure the estimate is right;  if you've been downloading
messages from the start, your 37227 is probably much closer to correct.

Some of the article numbers in the range 2 - 37386 aren't associated
with posts.  A server hiccup can cause an empty slot.  Also, an empty
slot is created whenever a post is cancelled, and cancellations
probably account for most of them.

Two messages to this group have been cancelled under the cancellation
policy , some spam
has been cancelled, and for a while there was a troll who had all his
posts cancelled as soon as he made them.

> So how many articles are there in this newsgroup on the
> news.mozilla.org server?

The only way to know is to download and count them all.  Have fun.  ;)

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo 

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Keith Whaley wrote:

NoOp wrote:

... snip ,,,



I recommend that you use the newsreader vs list to participate. That way
you can easily review threads & posts from over a year ago.

Subcribe to: news.mozilla.org
This group: mozilla.support.seamonkey
Development: mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey


Right.  :-)

My mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup only contains 37,371 messages 
at this time!


 Good luck!

keith whaley


Mr. Whaley
I am subscribed to mozilla.suport.seamonkey on the news.mozilla.org
server, and my SM 1.1.14 reports 37227 articles in the newsgroup.
I.e. there is a discrepancy of 37371 - 37227 = 144 articles.
So where, what news server, are you subscribed at?
And to the GURUS :-)
Please explain the probable causes of the article count.


spam, deleted messages

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Stéphane Grégoire 

Hi,
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a tapoté, le 04.03.2009 21:18:

My SM 1.1.14 reports 37227 articles in the group.


My Seamonkey 2.0a3 say exactly the same and certainly 37228 when this 
message will be posted.


The first message i have is on 10.01.2006 07:04.
and Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:2

The first message on a newsgroup may be the message which create it.

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:06:12 -0800, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Keith Whaley wrote:


My mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup only contains 37,371 messages 
at this time!



I've only got 232


I think you mean 37,232

Now up to 37,234

Phil



no, I mean I only have 232, or now I'm up to 235.


Another oddity is that the Xref: header line for the above article is
Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:37378
As I wrote. My SM 1.1.14 reports 37227 articles in the group.
So how many articles are there in this newsgroup
on the news.mozilla.org server?
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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 

Keith Whaley wrote:

NoOp wrote:

... snip ,,,



I recommend that you use the newsreader vs list to participate. That way
you can easily review threads & posts from over a year ago.

Subcribe to: news.mozilla.org
This group: mozilla.support.seamonkey
Development: mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey


Right.  :-)

My mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup only contains 37,371 messages at 
this time!


 
Good luck!


keith whaley


Mr. Whaley
I am subscribed to mozilla.suport.seamonkey on the news.mozilla.org
server, and my SM 1.1.14 reports 37227 articles in the newsgroup.
I.e. there is a discrepancy of 37371 - 37227 = 144 articles.
So where, what news server, are you subscribed at?
And to the GURUS :-)
Please explain the probable causes of the article count.
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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo 

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:06:12 -0800, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Keith Whaley wrote:


My mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup only contains 37,371 messages at 
this time!



I've only got 232


I think you mean 37,232

Now up to 37,234

Phil



no, I mean I only have 232, or now I'm up to 235.

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Philip Chee 
On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:06:12 -0800, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Keith Whaley wrote:

>> My mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup only contains 37,371 messages at 
>> this time!

> I've only got 232

I think you mean 37,232

Now up to 37,234

Phil

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo 

Keith Whaley wrote:

My mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup only contains 37,371 messages at 
this time!


I've only got 232

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Keith Whaley 

NoOp wrote:

On 03/04/2009 09:16 AM, Seymour Wolfson wrote:

At 11:56 AM -0500 3/4/09, chicagofan wrote:

Seymour Wolfson wrote:

 Someone told me that SeaMonkey is no longer being maintained.
 Is there any truth to that?


If you read Robert Kaiser's post of just yesterday March 3, you will 
see that is not true.

bj



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Since I just joined the list today, could someone send me that 
posting off list.

Thanks



I recommend that you use the newsreader vs list to participate. That way
you can easily review threads & posts from over a year ago.

Subcribe to: news.mozilla.org
This group: mozilla.support.seamonkey
Development: mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey


Right.  :-)

My mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup only contains 37,371 messages at this 
time!

The only saving grace is, you will be given the opportunity to choose to 
download only the top 20, 50, 100 of all those messages, if you want.

I think the default is 100 messages, but you can change it to whatever you want.

Good luck!

keith whaley
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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread NoOp 
On 03/04/2009 09:16 AM, Seymour Wolfson wrote:
> At 11:56 AM -0500 3/4/09, chicagofan wrote:
>>Seymour Wolfson wrote:
>>>  Someone told me that SeaMonkey is no longer being maintained.
>>>  Is there any truth to that?
>>
>>If you read Robert Kaiser's post of just yesterday March 3, you will 
>>see that is not true.
>>bj
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> Since I just joined the list today, could someone send me that 
> posting off list.
> Thanks

I recommend that you use the newsreader vs list to participate. That way
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Subcribe to: news.mozilla.org
This group: mozilla.support.seamonkey
Development: mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey


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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread chicagofan 

Seymour Wolfson wrote:

At 11:56 AM -0500 3/4/09, chicagofan wrote:

Seymour Wolfson wrote:

 Someone told me that SeaMonkey is no longer being maintained.
 Is there any truth to that?
If you read Robert Kaiser's post of just yesterday March 3, you will 
see that is not true.

bj

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posting off list.

Thanks



Just sent.
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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Seymour Wolfson 

At 11:56 AM -0500 3/4/09, chicagofan wrote:

Seymour Wolfson wrote:

 Someone told me that SeaMonkey is no longer being maintained.
 Is there any truth to that?


If you read Robert Kaiser's post of just yesterday March 3, you will 
see that is not true.

bj

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread Chris Ilias 

On 3/4/09 11:39 AM, _Seymour Wolfson_ spoke thusly:

Someone told me that SeaMonkey is no longer being maintained.
Is there any truth to that?


No. They may have been thinking of the Mozilla Application Suite no 
longer being maintained by the Mozilla Foundation, which was codenamed 
"seamonkey" (note the small 'm').
See 
.

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Re: Status of SeaMonkey

2009-03-04 Thread chicagofan 

Seymour Wolfson wrote:

Someone told me that SeaMonkey is no longer being maintained.
Is there any truth to that?


If you read Robert Kaiser's post of just yesterday March 3, you will see 
that is not true.

bj
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