Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 7:36 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. I was referring to: 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. The link provided requires much more work to find what is needed than the direct one I provided. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 7:36 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. I was referring to: 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. The link provided requires much more work to find what is needed than the direct one I provided. Agreed. This is the link provided by our plugin check, and it does require too much work to find what is needed. That should be fixed. By mentioning it in my reply, I was merely demonstrating that I understood and could replicate the OP's user experience. I was not advocating this circuitous route as the ideal solution that should be foisted off on all users. But you're right that I sounded too accepting of the status quo and resigned to its permanence. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2014 12:28 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 7:36 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. I was referring to: 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. The link provided requires much more work to find what is needed than the direct one I provided. Agreed. This is the link provided by our plugin check, and it does require too much work to find what is needed. That should be fixed. By mentioning it in my reply, I was merely demonstrating that I understood and could replicate the OP's user experience. I was not advocating this circuitous route as the ideal solution that should be foisted off on all users. But you're right that I sounded too accepting of the status quo and resigned to its permanence. ;-) I certainly agree with you that the Mozilla plug-in check is messed up. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ I hate sex in the movies. The seat folded up, the drink spilled and that ice really chilled the mood. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
On 12/14/2014 09:35 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2014 12:28 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 7:36 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. I was referring to: 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. The link provided requires much more work to find what is needed than the direct one I provided. Agreed. This is the link provided by our plugin check, and it does require too much work to find what is needed. That should be fixed. By mentioning it in my reply, I was merely demonstrating that I understood and could replicate the OP's user experience. I was not advocating this circuitous route as the ideal solution that should be foisted off on all users. But you're right that I sounded too accepting of the status quo and resigned to its permanence. ;-) I certainly agree with you that the Mozilla plug-in check is messed up. Usually I have a problem with the Plugin check page - particulary with Adobe Flash linux. Today when checking the page works fine.. it actually shows the correct version status. When clicking the the action button, it takes me directly to: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/. Just checked on a Windows machine with an outdated Adobe Flash the action link takes me to the same URL: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Mozilla's plugin-check page is updated manually and is *never* up-to-date. In fact, it generally considers many ancient versions of plugins to be current and occasionally it will even say that brand new versions are out-of-date. The plan was to convince the various plugins developers to adopt a system of notifications that all browsers could use to keep their plugins up-to-date. This likely was never considered because Google's answer was to simply bundle important plugins into Chrome, thus circumventing the whole mess. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in? - SOLVED
Thanks Paul! Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. And tomorrow isn't looking good either. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: 1. How does one update it?, or 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) Help! Thanks, Miles Fidelman You can install a new version of Flash and it will simply replace the old plugin in Mac OS. I get my Flash plugin from here: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: 1. How does one update it?, or 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) Help! Thanks, Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
