Re: Forms Fill
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:33:53 -0500, Rick Merrill wrote: I find the new form fill very useful. BUT when I use Form History Control I can see all my credit card information and any values ever entered for any FIELD. Yes, I can delete items that should be protected or are no longer needed. I repeat: this seems like a BIG security hole to have Credit Card FIELDS data stored. I *think* that on trunk (Firefox 4.0b8pre SeaMonkey 2.1b2pre) the form fill manager has some sort of credit card number detection and won't save CC numbers. Phil I have found each web site uses different FIELD names for credit cards. SM 2 allows named fields to be purged upon exit, but it is NOT automatic. I don't see how s/w could tell the difference ;-) between a credit card number and a USPS/UPS/FEDX tracking number (-: ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 08:44:27 -0500, Rick Merrill wrote: I have found each web site uses different FIELD names for credit cards. SM 2 allows named fields to be purged upon exit, but it is NOT automatic. I don't see how s/w could tell the difference ;-) between a credit card number and a USPS/UPS/FEDX tracking number (-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhn_algorithm You detect any 15/16 digit number that uses a cyclic redundancy check (weren't you lecturing Callek on CRCs earlier?) based on the Luhn algorithm. If you do it right you can also catch (and not save) Social Security numbers and other sensitive information. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 08:44:27 -0500, Rick Merrill wrote: I have found each web site uses different FIELD names for credit cards. SM 2 allows named fields to be purged upon exit, but it is NOT automatic. I don't see how s/w could tell the difference ;-) between a credit card number and a USPS/UPS/FEDX tracking number (-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhn_algorithm You detect any 15/16 digit number that uses a cyclic redundancy check (weren't you lecturing Callek on CRCs earlier?) based on the Luhn algorithm. If you do it right you can also catch (and not save) Social Security numbers and other sensitive information. Phil You may be able to do CRC in your head, but I do not seem to be able to do it!-) Callek said Cycle... so I looked it up thinking it might be a new term, but it was not. So I hope he you didn't REally think I was lecturing. I'm willing to bet that thousands of people do not realize that SM has retained the types of information it keeps under forms but are actually fields. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. Go to the blank entry and type the first letter of the response. That is ALL you probably have to do! I think you are talking about filling fields rather than the whole form. download and install the AutoFill Forms extension. I installed AutoFill Forms and it looks pretty good. I noticed it doesn't include credit card info, like the Form Managr in 1.1.19 did. Is there a way to add these fields to AutoFill Forms, or is there another extension addon that does include credit card info? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Tom Pamin wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. Go to the blank entry and type the first letter of the response. That is ALL you probably have to do! I think you are talking about filling fields rather than the whole form. download and install the AutoFill Forms extension. I installed AutoFill Forms and it looks pretty good. I noticed it doesn't include credit card info, like the Form Managr in 1.1.19 did. Is there a way to add these fields to AutoFill Forms, or is there another extension addon that does include credit card info? I find the new form fill very useful. BUT when I use Form History Control I can see all my credit card information and any values ever entered for any FIELD. Yes, I can delete items that should be protected or are no longer needed. I repeat: this seems like a BIG security hole to have Credit Card FIELDS data stored. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:33:53 -0500, Tom Pamin wrote: I installed AutoFill Forms and it looks pretty good. I noticed it doesn't include credit card info, like the Form Managr in 1.1.19 did. Is there a way to add these fields to AutoFill Forms, or is there another extension addon that does include credit card info? Um, for security reasons I really don't recommend storing your credit card numbers *anywhere*. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:33:53 -0500, Rick Merrill wrote: I find the new form fill very useful. BUT when I use Form History Control I can see all my credit card information and any values ever entered for any FIELD. Yes, I can delete items that should be protected or are no longer needed. I repeat: this seems like a BIG security hole to have Credit Card FIELDS data stored. I *think* that on trunk (Firefox 4.0b8pre SeaMonkey 2.1b2pre) the form fill manager has some sort of credit card number detection and won't save CC numbers. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:02:56 -0800, Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. You would need an extension for this. I've ported two Firefox extensions to SeaMonkey 2.0. FireForm http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireform Autofill Forms http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#autofillforms FireForm is more lightweight while Autofill Forms has more bells and whistles. If it were not for Autofill I would either still be on 1.x.x or using another browser. I do a lot of forms stuff where I fill out the same form with different data sets, and the standard code is a non-starter for me. That's the one indispensable extension. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : I seem to recall a conversation here or another group where the creator of the Forms module in SM1 is long gone and they don't have anyone with enough smarts to figure out the code, so they just scrapped it thinking no one used it. Since developers don't use the features they create. Stop spreading nonesense. No, they didn't scrap it because they thought no one used it. They scrapped it because the code was very complex and obsolete and was a security problem. They didn't scrap Windows, why forms? ;-) -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:54:49 +0100, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 7 décembre 2010, Ed Mullen a écrit : The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. Yeah, you and a lot of other people. I'm still trying to figure out how this advancement is at all helpful. (snip rant) Will people stop ranting about that? I'm no dev. I was disappointed to find Form fill was gone, as well. But the reason is clear: the old way simply would have had to be rewritten from scratch(*) and nobody popped up to do it. No one ever decided the new way was better. The Data Manager module will be in SeaMonkey 2.1. IIRC this will include a forms management tab. As long as Autofill works and I can disable the default form manager. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Phillip Jones wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : I seem to recall a conversation here or another group where the creator of the Forms module in SM1 is long gone and they don't have anyone with enough smarts to figure out the code, so they just scrapped it thinking no one used it. Since developers don't use the features they create. Stop spreading nonsense. No, they didn't scrap it because they thought no one used it. They scrapped it because the code was very complex and obsolete and was a security problem. S. If they thought people used it they would made more of an effort. If they had operated the original Forms manager to see what was done and how, they could have created new code to duplicate its action. instead of trying to dissect the old code. Who is this they of whom you speak? You may not be a programmer, or even a coder, but if you care write a spec for what it should do. It needs to be totally unambiguous, cover all possible corner cases, and be clear and concise. It should start with a statement of general philosophy, and what subset of user needs will be met. Hint: don't say anything like all things to all people, or probably avoid all totally. Describe what is to happen in unambiguous cases, avoid suggest HOW to do it, that's the next step, and is likely to pollute the requirements one way or the other. The smaller and better defined the requirements are, the easier to get the code written (at least by volunteers). A good requirements document is the first step to working code, to be followed by the actual module (process or procedure) specs. Then someone can write the code without doing all the design ad hoc. If you want to see something better become part of we instead of whining about they. Just to be clear, I am not a contributor of code to this project, although my name appears in free software dating back to MULTICS and ISIS. I'm keeping a company going while maintaining a family and large house with a sick wife. If I occasionally put in a suggestion that's all I can do right now. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Rick Merrill wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. Go to the blank entry and type the first letter of the response. That is ALL you probably have to do! I think you are talking about filling fields rather than the whole form. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Bill Davidsen wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : I seem to recall a conversation here or another group where the creator of the Forms module in SM1 is long gone and they don't have anyone with enough smarts to figure out the code, so they just scrapped it thinking no one used it. Since developers don't use the features they create. Stop spreading nonesense. No, they didn't scrap it because they thought no one used it. They scrapped it because the code was very complex and obsolete and was a security problem. They didn't scrap Windows, why forms? ;-) I have no idea why they would. just adding the two Forms extensions does a lot to make up for the missing Forms manager (AutoFill and Forms History Manager). But still don't hold a candle to the old one. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. Go to the blank entry and type the first letter of the response. That is ALL you probably have to do! I think you are talking about filling fields rather than the whole form. download and install the AutoFill Forms extension. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. Go to the blank entry and type the first letter of the response. That is ALL you probably have to do! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Phillip Jones schrieb: If they thought people used it they would made more of an effort. We are all volunteers and only can do so much. All the code is open for you to build on it and write patches though! Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Phillip Jones a écrit : If they thought people used it they would made more of an effort. That is condescending to the point of being insulting. Way to go, mate. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Phillip Jones a écrit : I seem to recall a conversation here or another group where the creator of the Forms module in SM1 is long gone and they don't have anyone with enough smarts to figure out the code, so they just scrapped it thinking no one used it. Since developers don't use the features they create. Stop spreading nonesense. No, they didn't scrap it because they thought no one used it. They scrapped it because the code was very complex and obsolete and was a security problem. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
S. Beaulieu wrote: Phillip Jones a écrit : I seem to recall a conversation here or another group where the creator of the Forms module in SM1 is long gone and they don't have anyone with enough smarts to figure out the code, so they just scrapped it thinking no one used it. Since developers don't use the features they create. Stop spreading nonsense. No, they didn't scrap it because they thought no one used it. They scrapped it because the code was very complex and obsolete and was a security problem. S. If they thought people used it they would made more of an effort. If they had operated the original Forms manager to see what was done and how, they could have created new code to duplicate its action. instead of trying to dissect the old code. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Le 7 décembre 2010, Ed Mullen a écrit : The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. Yeah, you and a lot of other people. I'm still trying to figure out how this advancement is at all helpful. (snip rant) Will people stop ranting about that? I'm no dev. I was disappointed to find Form fill was gone, as well. But the reason is clear: the old way simply would have had to be rewritten from scratch(*) and nobody popped up to do it. No one ever decided the new way was better. (*) due to a change in SM's programming language, as I understand it. -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:54:49 +0100, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 7 décembre 2010, Ed Mullen a écrit : The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. Yeah, you and a lot of other people. I'm still trying to figure out how this advancement is at all helpful. (snip rant) Will people stop ranting about that? I'm no dev. I was disappointed to find Form fill was gone, as well. But the reason is clear: the old way simply would have had to be rewritten from scratch(*) and nobody popped up to do it. No one ever decided the new way was better. The Data Manager module will be in SeaMonkey 2.1. IIRC this will include a forms management tab. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Philip Chee wrote: The Data Manager module will be in SeaMonkey 2.1. IIRC this will include a forms management tab. Well yes but that will only allow to view/edit the information stored in the built-in form manager (the one that was introduced with SM 2.0). So it's at least partly a replacement for the Form History Control add-on, but not for the like SM 1.x functionality that add-ons like Autofill Forms provide. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Ed Mullen wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. Yeah, you and a lot of other people. I'm still trying to figure out how this advancement is at all helpful. It's like so many other apps (especially MS Office) where enhancements of new versions spawn a host of how do I make the new version work like the old one? conversations, work-arounds, add-ons etc. Anytime a dev sees that happen they ought to take heed and realize that their view of better doesn't jibe with their users' views. They should realize that they just f***d up a perfectly good and desired product feature. It's kind of like taking sliced bread and saying: Oh! Let's make our new version of sliced bread stick together! The slices will stay fresher longer! Yeah, great. But now it's not sliced bread anymore, ok? It's essentially un-sliced bread. Just because you /can/ do it doesn't mean you /should/ do it. Ask your audience/consumers/customers. If you improve the product enough you just might improve your product right out of existence. And I'm starting to get there with the whole Mozilla line. I seem to recall a conversation here or another group where the creator of the Forms module in SM1 is long gone and they don't have anyone with enough smarts to figure out the code, so they just scrapped it thinking no one used it. Since developers don't use the features they create. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/forms HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Jens Hatlak wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/forms HTH Jens The new one is still nowhere near as good as the one in 1.1.19. Why go thru each and every field on a page and fill it in one by one? I hoped that the old forms manager would have been included in version 2 by now ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. Michael Download the extensions Forms History Control and AutoFill Forms. This will get you back some what to they way it was in 1.x -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Tom Pamin wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/forms The new one is still nowhere near as good as the one in 1.1.19. Why go thru each and every field on a page and fill it in one by one? I hoped that the old forms manager would have been included in version 2 by now The old forms manager's functionality might never return. Don't hold your breath, SM 2.1 won't have it either. The way to go is to use extensions (add-ons) that provide such extra functionality. One that works with SM 2.0 is linked from the page I provided (and wrote, BTW). Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Jens Hatlak wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/forms The new one is still nowhere near as good as the one in 1.1.19. Why go thru each and every field on a page and fill it in one by one? I hoped that the old forms manager would have been included in version 2 by now The old forms manager's functionality might never return. Don't hold your breath, SM 2.1 won't have it either. The way to go is to use extensions (add-ons) that provide such extra functionality. One that works with SM 2.0 is linked from the page I provided (and wrote, BTW). Greetings, Jens Forms History Manager Extension AutoFill Forms Extension. For now that brings back about 80%. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:02:56 -0800, Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. We used to be able to open a Form Fill application and prefill in form data such as name, address, phone, etc. This whole function seems to be missing in this version of SM. You would need an extension for this. I've ported two Firefox extensions to SeaMonkey 2.0. FireForm http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireform Autofill Forms http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#autofillforms FireForm is more lightweight while Autofill Forms has more bells and whistles. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Never let a fool kiss you, or a kiss fool you. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms Fill
Michael Gordon wrote: I have finally upgraded from Mozilla 1.1.18 to SeaMonkey 2.0.1, and most things went smoothly. The one problem I have noticed is the missing Form Fill function. Yeah, you and a lot of other people. I'm still trying to figure out how this advancement is at all helpful. It's like so many other apps (especially MS Office) where enhancements of new versions spawn a host of how do I make the new version work like the old one? conversations, work-arounds, add-ons etc. Anytime a dev sees that happen they ought to take heed and realize that their view of better doesn't jibe with their users' views. They should realize that they just f***d up a perfectly good and desired product feature. It's kind of like taking sliced bread and saying: Oh! Let's make our new version of sliced bread stick together! The slices will stay fresher longer! Yeah, great. But now it's not sliced bread anymore, ok? It's essentially un-sliced bread. Just because you /can/ do it doesn't mean you /should/ do it. Ask your audience/consumers/customers. If you improve the product enough you just might improve your product right out of existence. And I'm starting to get there with the whole Mozilla line. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Just what the hell was the best thing BEFORE sliced bread? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms fill in
NoOp wrote: On 09/08/2009 09:37 AM, NoOp wrote: On 09/08/2009 09:19 AM, Gerald Ross wrote: Is there a file with data to use if filling out forms? My wife just went to a new website and there was a pop-up asking for her cell phone number and automatically her social security number was shown in the blank space. How could that be? If seamonkey (2 obewan) has it memorized she needs it un-memorized). Thanks in advance. Which version of SeaMonkey? Sorry I guess (2 obewan) was meant to mean Version 2.0x. If that is the case, then - browser window: Tools|Clear Private Data (Ctrl-Shift-Del). Also: Edit|Preferences|Privacy Security - 'Saved Form and Search History'. Sorry. it is 2.0b1. Just trying to be cute. Thanks for the help. -- Gerald Ross Cochran, GA How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms fill in
On 09/08/2009 09:37 AM, NoOp wrote: On 09/08/2009 09:19 AM, Gerald Ross wrote: Is there a file with data to use if filling out forms? My wife just went to a new website and there was a pop-up asking for her cell phone number and automatically her social security number was shown in the blank space. How could that be? If seamonkey (2 obewan) has it memorized she needs it un-memorized). Thanks in advance. Which version of SeaMonkey? Sorry I guess (2 obewan) was meant to mean Version 2.0x. If that is the case, then - browser window: Tools|Clear Private Data (Ctrl-Shift-Del). Also: Edit|Preferences|Privacy Security - 'Saved Form and Search History'. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms fill in
On 09/08/2009 09:19 AM, Gerald Ross wrote: Is there a file with data to use if filling out forms? My wife just went to a new website and there was a pop-up asking for her cell phone number and automatically her social security number was shown in the blank space. How could that be? If seamonkey (2 obewan) has it memorized she needs it un-memorized). Thanks in advance. Which version of SeaMonkey? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Forms fill in
Gerald Ross wrote: Is there a file with data to use if filling out forms? My wife just went to a new website and there was a pop-up asking for her cell phone number and automatically her social security number was shown in the blank space. How could that be? If seamonkey (2 obewan) has it memorized she needs it un-memorized). NoOp's answer was good, but I would add that a computer cannot tell anyone something it doesn't know. If you don't want it giving out your wife's SSN, DON'T TELL IT her SSN!! Same goes for banking data and other sensitive things. But now that we're here, you're right to eradicate the info. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
