Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

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On 7/23/2019 12:55 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I'm surprised. I remember when Win8 came out it was widely panned. My 
impression was that M$ was alternating between serious systems that 
power users like me appreciated (Win2000 Pro, WinXP Pro, Win7 Pro) and 
playware that held dabblers' hands every step of the way (WinMe, 
Vista); Win8 fit the latter description. Then when Win10 came out, 
even with the various issues, I had the impression it was the pro type 
(this from someone who wasn't shopping, so wasn't reading closely). 
And of course as usual I waited for the beta testers ("early 
adopters") to shake out the bugs before trying it. :-)


So in your opinion they're still trying to fix Win10?



WinME was the successor to Win95 and Win98, it was known right from the 
start that it was the end of the line for that code base and the quality 
suffered accordingly.
Windows NT 4 begat Win2000, and then WinXP, Vista, Win7, Win8(.1) and 
Win10.  When Microsoft skipped "Windows 9" and went straight to 10, my 
initial feeling was that they were skipping the next "decent version". 
That turned out not to be the reason for the jump, programmers had been 
testing for the string "Windows 9" to detect Win95 and Win98 hosts.


They are not "still trying to fix" Win10, they bring out a new feature 
update every 6 months and this tight schedule means some serious bugs 
get missed.  The new beta testers are those who apply those feature 
updates when they come out rather than waiting a few months.


Finally, worrying about compatability between Seamonkey and Windows 10 
does not really make sense - Windows 10 has been out for a few years now 
and a large proportion of the Seamonkey users are exposed to it.




Well thankfully they put to rest with 1903 the 6 months new windows 10 
cadence! It's going to be once a year going forward.

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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I'm surprised. I remember when Win8 came out it was widely panned. My 
impression was that M$ was alternating between serious systems that 
power users like me appreciated (Win2000 Pro, WinXP Pro, Win7 Pro) and 
playware that held dabblers' hands every step of the way (WinMe, Vista); 
Win8 fit the latter description. Then when Win10 came out, even with the 
various issues, I had the impression it was the pro type (this from 
someone who wasn't shopping, so wasn't reading closely). And of course 
as usual I waited for the beta testers ("early adopters") to shake out 
the bugs before trying it. :-)


So in your opinion they're still trying to fix Win10?



WinME was the successor to Win95 and Win98, it was known right from the 
start that it was the end of the line for that code base and the quality 
suffered accordingly.
Windows NT 4 begat Win2000, and then WinXP, Vista, Win7, Win8(.1) and 
Win10.  When Microsoft skipped "Windows 9" and went straight to 10, my 
initial feeling was that they were skipping the next "decent version". 
That turned out not to be the reason for the jump, programmers had been 
testing for the string "Windows 9" to detect Win95 and Win98 hosts.


They are not "still trying to fix" Win10, they bring out a new feature 
update every 6 months and this tight schedule means some serious bugs 
get missed.  The new beta testers are those who apply those feature 
updates when they come out rather than waiting a few months.


Finally, worrying about compatability between Seamonkey and Windows 10 
does not really make sense - Windows 10 has been out for a few years now 
and a large proportion of the Seamonkey users are exposed to it.


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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


I tested 2.49.5 on Windows 10 x64 1809.

I regularly test 2.53 and 2.57 on Windows Server 2016 (based on 10 
14393) and 10 1903 (latest and greatest).


Personally I moved to 8.1. Support till 2023 and not such a sh*thole 
like 10. With open-shell quite usable. Never thought I would say 
something good about 8.x but ever changing 10 is a telemetry riddled 
privacy risk and beta quality software,


I'm surprised. I remember when Win8 came out it was widely panned. My 
impression was that M$ was alternating between serious systems that 
power users like me appreciated (Win2000 Pro, WinXP Pro, Win7 Pro) and 
playware that held dabblers' hands every step of the way (WinMe, Vista); 
Win8 fit the latter description. Then when Win10 came out, even with the 
various issues, I had the impression it was the pro type (this from 
someone who wasn't shopping, so wasn't reading closely). And of course 
as usual I waited for the beta testers ("early adopters") to shake out 
the bugs before trying it. :-)


So in your opinion they're still trying to fix Win10?


If problems come up they will only be fixed for 2.53 and up.

There was a problem with regular expressions with 10 and 2.49.4. Some 
websites didn't work. I think MS fixed it. If not 2.49.5 takes care of it.


Back up your full profile on an external drive.


Full automatic scheduled backups are part of my nightly routine. I lost 
a whole day's work back in 1985 by failing to back up, and my motto ever 
since has been, "if you love me, back me up."


As for a fallback from SM, I'm really not looking forward to that. I've 
been here since Netscape 4, and I don't want to be thrown into the outer 
darkness.


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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

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On 7/22/2019 11:00 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

I tested 2.49.5 on Windows 10 x64 1809.

I regularly test 2.53 and 2.57 on Windows Server 2016 (based on 10 
14393) and 10 1903 (latest and greatest).


Personally I moved to 8.1. Support till 2023 and not such a sh*thole 
like 10. With open-shell quite usable. Never thought I would say 
something good about 8.x but ever changing 10 is a telemetry riddled 
privacy risk and beta quality software,


If problems come up they will only be fixed for 2.53 and up.

There was a problem with regular expressions with 10 and 2.49.4. Some 
websites didn't work. I think MS fixed it. If not 2.49.5 takes care of it.


Back up your full profile on an external drive.

FRG

TCW wrote:

On 7/22/2019 8:25 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

To whom it may concern:

As you may have heard, M$ is ending support for the popular but 
antiquated Windows 7 operating system in January. Accordingly, I'm 
planning to upgrade to Windows 10.


Since SeaMonkey is a mission-critical application for me, is there 
anything I should know about the transition, or will it be seamless 
with respect to SM?


Thanks.

 





If SM is mission critical, you may want to at least have a plan B in 
place should something happen to SM down the road. A couple of folks 
are still plugging away at support for SM but not like it was a decade 
ago. Realistically, if you do an in-place upgrade from Win 7 to 10 
(which still works), SM operation should be seamless.


Cool. I'm sure the OP will see this and at least know so more info.
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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I tested 2.49.5 on Windows 10 x64 1809.

I regularly test 2.53 and 2.57 on Windows Server 2016 (based on 10 14393) and 
10 1903 (latest and greatest).


Personally I moved to 8.1. Support till 2023 and not such a sh*thole like 10. 
With open-shell quite usable. Never thought I would say something good about 
8.x but ever changing 10 is a telemetry riddled privacy risk and beta quality 
software,


If problems come up they will only be fixed for 2.53 and up.

There was a problem with regular expressions with 10 and 2.49.4. Some websites 
didn't work. I think MS fixed it. If not 2.49.5 takes care of it.


Back up your full profile on an external drive.

FRG

TCW wrote:

On 7/22/2019 8:25 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

To whom it may concern:

As you may have heard, M$ is ending support for the popular but antiquated 
Windows 7 operating system in January. Accordingly, I'm planning to upgrade 
to Windows 10.


Since SeaMonkey is a mission-critical application for me, is there anything 
I should know about the transition, or will it be seamless with respect to SM?


Thanks.





If SM is mission critical, you may want to at least have a plan B in place 
should something happen to SM down the road. A couple of folks are still 
plugging away at support for SM but not like it was a decade ago. 
Realistically, if you do an in-place upgrade from Win 7 to 10 (which still 
works), SM operation should be seamless.

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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

[TCW via support-seamonkey]

On 7/22/2019 8:25 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

To whom it may concern:

As you may have heard, M$ is ending support for the popular but 
antiquated Windows 7 operating system in January. Accordingly, I'm 
planning to upgrade to Windows 10.


Since SeaMonkey is a mission-critical application for me, is there 
anything I should know about the transition, or will it be seamless with 
respect to SM?


Thanks.

 





If SM is mission critical, you may want to at least have a plan B in 
place should something happen to SM down the road. A couple of folks are 
still plugging away at support for SM but not like it was a decade ago. 
Realistically, if you do an in-place upgrade from Win 7 to 10 (which 
still works), SM operation should be seamless.

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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> To whom it may concern:
> 
> As you may have heard, M$ is ending support for the popular but
> antiquated Windows 7 operating system in January. Accordingly, I'm
> planning to upgrade to Windows 10.
> 
> Since SeaMonkey is a mission-critical application for me, is there
> anything I should know about the transition, or will it be seamless with
> respect to SM?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Nope, it just works.

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