Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Richard Dobson
On 01/05/2011 03:55, Stefan Schreiber wrote: .. It is fair to say that 1st order AMB is good (or good enough?) for some things, but it is not perfect surround sound forever. Some people on this list are actually using 2nd/3rd and higher order Ambisonics, and I think that any good standard should

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 01 May 2011 12:15 +0100 Richard Dobson richarddob...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Have any listening tests actually been carried out to establish what typical users consider to be sufficiently good localization? An interesting comparison would be to start with horizontal first-order, and

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Svein Berge
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread umashankar mantravadi
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Giovanni Abrate
I have had an Ambisonic setup for almost thirty years, which I have upgraded several times. My decoder is a much modified Integrex, built with Mil-Spec tight tolerance Caps and resistors and upgraded with modern, high slew-rate op-amps. It drives dual Hafler 220 power amps. I also recently

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Richard Dobson
On 01/05/2011 12:50, Svein Berge wrote: .. Another anecdotal answer, which doesn't even quite address the question: The difference between 1st order horizontal and 3rd order horizontal is easy to hear for the common man. Using 5.1, or some other arrangement? The colloquial assumption or

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Svein Berge
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread John Leonard
I should clarify that Umashankar is referring to a recording entitled Here's smut in your eye which is all to do with leaning out of the carriage window during a steam train ride. Please don't get the idea that I have a bunch of surround recordings of a slightly dubious nature that I only make

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Marc Lavallée
I have a naive question for experts: would it be possible to recreate the acoustics of the Philips Pavillon using room simulation techniques and ambisonics spatialization? Sun, 01 May 2011 17:25:40 +0100, Richard Dobson richarddob...@blueyonder.co.uk a écrit : Funnily enough, we had a

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Martin Leese
Gerard Lardner glard...@iol.ie ... I read in a review that the AD10 was intended to be sold at a realistic price of about $600 and the AD7 sold at a bargain $200. That review also mentioned that the AD10 used closer-tolerance components that would additionally be hand-selected for closer

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Richard Dobson
On 01/05/2011 17:25, Marc Lavallée wrote: I have a naive question for experts: would it be possible to recreate the acoustics of the Philips Pavillon using room simulation techniques and ambisonics spatialization? That is what they/we did for the Virtual Electronic Poem Project:

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/01/2011 01:15 PM, Richard Dobson wrote: The issue for me is no so much the encoding (though asking content providers, a.k.a. composers, to supply even a 9-channel file is IMO pushing it), but the decoding, where the number of speakers required seems to have its own version of Moore's

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/01/2011 04:32 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: P.S.: Speaking of B format recordings, there are the well-known issues of sound quality. SNR? High frequencies? b-format != soundfield microphone the soundfield does have a more pronounced hf roll-off and gerneral oddity coefficient than, say, a

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Gerard Lardner
Actually I don't have an iPhone myself - but it seems to be the smartphone of choice for this kind of control app. ;-) Also, I'm not fixated on Ubuntu, but merely I have used GlobalScale plug computers in a couple of places where I wanted the equivalent of a single board computer but with power

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Gerard Lardner
I believe I got most of the information I have from your site; indeed I was delighted to find the instructions there as my AD10, bought on eBay, came without instructions. Gerard Lardner On 01/05/2011 19:18, Martin Leese wrote: Gerard Lardner glard...@iol.ie ... I read in a review that the

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 09:39:55PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: paul's first order recordings are lovely, but kind of easy on the format, since they have a frontal soundstage for the most part, which you tune in to, and simply disbelieve any spuriousness from the rear. but take the funky

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 05:25:40PM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote: ... Short of making the test, we will never know if the Ambisonic approach would have been better. The concert would be perfectly well described in the above terms of being completely worked out in terms of using an

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Richard Dobson
On 01/05/2011 20:29, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: .. the point is: if you want to produce in tenth order and have the means to do it, your customer can still enjoy it on his/her 2nd order rig. Fine. I agree. But what exactly is a '2nd order rig'? Some number of speakers, or the combination of

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Marc Lavallée
Sun, 01 May 2011 20:17:32 +0100, Richard Dobson richarddob...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote : On 01/05/2011 17:25, Marc Lavallée wrote: I have a naive question for experts: would it be possible to recreate the acoustics of the Philips Pavillon using room simulation techniques and ambisonics

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Marc Lavallée
Sun, 01 May 2011 21:11:48 +0100, Gerard Lardner glard...@iol.ie wrote : Actually I don't have an iPhone myself - but it seems to be the smartphone of choice for this kind of control app. ;-) Also, I'm not fixated on Ubuntu, but merely I have used GlobalScale plug computers in a couple of

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Stefan Schreiber
John Leonard wrote: Some years ago I asked a question about how many list-members actually had correctly set up surround systems of any sort at home; not in the studio, or research facility, but in their own homes as a way of enjoying music. I seem to remember that very few - three, if I

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Robert Greene
Re John L's remarks I am not sure this is relevant to the interests of most people on this list as such, but I do think it is absolutely true that few people have a functioning proper surround set up. As a High End audio reviewer, I know lots of consumers who are interested in sound.

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Martin Leese wrote: Stefan Schreiber st...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: ... I have argued to introduce some common file format for 3D audio, for example Ambisonics up to third order. This standard could be based on the already existing FMH-Format. Now, I am supposedly one of the snobs... But FMH

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/02/2011 12:27 AM, Richard Dobson wrote: On 01/05/2011 22:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote: .. But as the sound engineer who's expected to provide a solution I'm not in a position to argue about this. And from the same perspective there is another point to consider. What if you have not just a

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-01 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/02/2011 12:09 AM, Richard Dobson wrote: On 01/05/2011 20:29, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: .. the point is: if you want to produce in tenth order and have the means to do it, your customer can still enjoy it on his/her 2nd order rig. Fine. I agree. But what exactly is a '2nd order rig'?