Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Dave Malham
For small areas, or central listeners, I do think there is a good argument for not over egging the pudding with too many speakers for low order material. But I am not at all convinced, based on experience, that this is true when dealing off centre listeners in a large area such as a concert since

Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Matthias Kronlachner
Thank you for all suggestions! I am also aware of t-design [1] for even distribution. Does somebody have practical experience with those, except for virtual loudspeaker arrangements? Fons' 1+6+8+6+1 seems to be a good and easy to mount start. Do you see a problem in increasing the number of

Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Eero Aro
I must confess that I don't know much about what you are discussing about, but I think I read in one of the posts (that I already have deleted) that there is no need to place a lot of speakers directly above, as our localization is at it's worst in that direction. However, I have always thought

Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Augustine Leudar
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Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Dave Malham
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Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Michael Chapman
Hi Eero, Al revers amigo. I dont know how it works with ambisonics and soundfield reconstruction but basically generally speaking your ears cant tell the difference if a speaker directly overhead is half a metre this way or the other - in effect your ears have lower resolution straight above

[Sursound] aes journal article

2013-07-11 Thread Dave Malham
Really disappointed (but not too surprised) to that in the June AES in an article about Spatial Audio, which says Spatial audio can be reprocessed for reproduction over different loudspeaker formats using upmixing and downmixing. It can even be rendered binaurally for headphones. We review the

Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Augustine Leudar
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Re: [Sursound] aes journal article

2013-07-11 Thread Augustine Leudar
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Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Eero Aro
Augustine Leudar wrote: Im all ears (pun not intended) Hehe, me too. :-) Practical things and theory possibly don't meet here. Anyway, I am confused. Possibly I should have started a topic with a different name and not stir this thread. Having built several installations and demos myself I

Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Robert Greene
Decades ago, I was working on a project to find the best way to equidistribute a large number of points on a sphere. We were looking for random unit vectors. (This had to do with choosing random orientations for a pot containing a seed to see if the seed would sprout and grow without benefit

Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Michael Chapman
Robert Greene wrote : ... If you need more points, then there is no canonical choice(and no one is going to discover any more Platonic solids--there aren't any more!). ... Sorry to start that one ... it was basically a joke (I say basically as like perpetual motion machines I had the

Re: [Sursound] Suggestions spherical loudspeaker installation observatory

2013-07-11 Thread Robert Greene
If anyone cares, the proof is not too hard. Clearly one cannot have faces that have more sides than five, because there no room angularly: three regular hexagons at a point already fill up 360 degrees and seven or more fill up more than 360, which is impossible(note that the solid has to be