Fons wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:52:17AM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote:
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>> If you find a .wav file somewhere on the net, what do expect
>> it to contain?
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> Audio signals of some sort...
Just as a real 'use case' of how .wav files can be used (or ?abused).
I created a file with one cycle
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:52:17AM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote:
> If you find a .wav file somewhere on the net, what do expect
> it to contain?
Audio signals of some sort...
All the rest must be carried by file headers or information
'chunks' such as the one used in the amb wav format.
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On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 08:58:36PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> it is the panner that defines the capabilities of the downstream
> bus and the meaning of every single channel in it.
Couldn't be more right.
> an 8-cube could be used as a bus, but that's not ambisonic mixing.
> some people
On 10/02/2013 08:44 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
He's from steinberg isnt he ? Damn you coffee.
er so Yvan yes it makes sense and yes it would be super cool for sound
designers everywhere if that could happen. It would also be great if Nuendo
had a couple buses with vertical capability - like
Given Yvan's deep presence within Steinberg (custodian of the VST SDK
and VST-GUI among other things), I rather assumed he has made his
inquiry because this is indeed a possibility. The case needs to be
made, presumably.
Which is why debating the virtues and vices of the file extension may be
It is still better to associate verbs such as "allow" with the player,
rather than with the file. Software allows you do do stuff, files just
are what they are.
The specialists here may argue about "any number of speakers". Classical
Ambisonic decoding requires specific kinds of regular layout
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Yvan,
I would say yes, definitely, to both parts of question 1, both input and
output capabilities would be useful.
A normal workflow might go something like this:
- record A-format (direct mic signals) in the field
- Main project:
+ read the field recording in its native format, multi-mono,
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> rephrase after coffee (not sure if that will help)
> So if this was to work in with a media player the media player would have
> to know how many speakers you have and where they are (is 8 in a cube or
> eight in the azimuth) - then the media player would have to decode to
> .amb
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Le 2013-10-02 06:50, Jörn Nettingsmeier a écrit :
>On 10/02/2013 12:11 PM, Yvan Grabit wrote:
>> 2) are there some Ambisonic plugins which could be use as Panners in
>>Nuendo ?
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>daniel courville has an extensive set of plugins at
>http://www.radio.uqam.ca/ambisonic/b2x.html
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On 10/02/2013 06:21 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
so I guess your media player would have to tell the .amb file how many
speakers you were using and it would decode the 'amb file for the correct
order ?
this is getting really confused. the purpose of an ambisonic file format
and extension is two
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It is really rather standard in computer music circles; we could call it
a well-established convention, to associate a particular extension with
a particular file format. There is a wide range of soundfile formats
"out there", many of which predate WAVE (.au, .snd, etc); to say
nothing of the
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Sort of:
the purpose of ambisonic encoding is to enable any given stream or file
to be decoded into different speaker arrays;
the purpose of the AMB format is to provide a standardised container
(complete with file extension :-)) for B-Format streams (using FuMa
encoding), and to disambiguat
On 10/02/2013 01:57 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
I use nuendo - Im pretty sure you can use wigware ambisonic plugins - you
can definitely use them in reaper-
ah yes, of course. bruce wiggins' stuff is another great option - i keep
forgetting it because i don't work on windows or mac... is anybo
"standard"
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> Unless there are practical aspects, like the custom GUID would crash
> most of the amb-agnostic players, which I doubt.
Sound Forge 10 (I haven't tried 11 yet) will refuse to open a .amb file
even if named .wav, because it doesn't recog
I am aware of these rather formal aspects. With the criteria of a
self-describing format fulfilled, it comes down to a naming convention.
Why that is part of a format specification is unclear to me.
Moreover it may cause what is actually a misconception according to the
below standing criteria
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It's not a proprietary extension, any more than is "doc", "txt" or
"cpp". It is simply strongly recommended as standard. It is a common
misconception that a file extension somehow defines a file format. It
does not, and more importantly should not, if the format itself has been
properly design
hi yvan,
On 10/02/2013 12:11 PM, Yvan Grabit wrote:
Hi
1)
i want to known if it makes sense for an application like Nuendo (Steinberg) :
- to import directly (without decoding) AMB (Ambisonic) Files (described in
http://dream.cs.bath.ac.uk/researchdev/wave-ex/bformat.html)
- to allow to expor
I guess it has been discussed here before, but why again is a
proprietary extension proposed?
See "The use of a custom GUID ensures that AMB files will not (and
should not) be recognised as a soundfile by applications unaware of the
format." Shouldn't that suffice, also for files that have th
Hi
1)
i want to known if it makes sense for an application like Nuendo (Steinberg) :
- to import directly (without decoding) AMB (Ambisonic) Files (described in
http://dream.cs.bath.ac.uk/researchdev/wave-ex/bformat.html)
- to allow to export them directly (no Encoding)
This means that the Nuend
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