Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-09 Thread Augustine Leudar
Hi Dave you have alway been very patient and helpful with us and I for one appreciate that :-) Ķan yes thats my site On Wednesday, 9 October 2013, Dave Malham wrote: > No worries - I have absolutely no problem with artistic motives, been > working with artists all my life! > >Dave > > > On 7

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-09 Thread Dave Malham
No worries - I have absolutely no problem with artistic motives, been working with artists all my life! Dave On 7 October 2013 17:55, Kan Kaban wrote: > Thanks a lot for those papers. Beautiful. Same month & year of my birth. > Yes, I´ll do ambisonics and I´ll stay analogue as much as I can

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-08 Thread Kan Kaban
Augustine, is this yours?: http://augustine.leudar.com/events.htm Lovely ideas, I have been working on VERY similar concepts for years. As the interactive forest place… very nice. Congrats. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.mu

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-08 Thread Kan Kaban
> Hi Kan, > Good luck with your project Thanks!. > - I think its a shame you don't feel > comfortable being open about your ideas in this forum - but I can > understand - you dont really feel like sharing if you think people are just > going to jump down your throat everytime you make an error…..

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-08 Thread Augustine Leudar
Hi Kan, Good luck with your project - I think its a shame you don't feel comfortable being open about your ideas in this forum - but I can understand - you dont really feel like sharing if you think people are just going to jump down your throat everytime you make an error. -- next

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-07 Thread Kan Kaban
Thanks Mr. Chapman. Is nice to hear that from you. As soon as I have something… On Oct 7, 2013, at 12:45 PM, "Michael Chapman" wrote: > > Hey, we're all in the gutter ... but some of us look at the stars (if not > all the time). > > Whatever, good luck with the project ... and, maybe, risk shar

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-07 Thread Michael Chapman
> Thanks a lot for those papers. Beautiful. Same month & year of my birth. > Yes, I�ll do ambisonics and I�ll stay analogue as much as I can. > > There is a motive, but it is an artistic one. So, seems non sense to try > to explain it here. Hey, we're all in the gutter ... but some of us look at t

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-07 Thread Kan Kaban
Thanks a lot for those papers. Beautiful. Same month & year of my birth. Yes, I´ll do ambisonics and I´ll stay analogue as much as I can. There is a motive, but it is an artistic one. So, seems non sense to try to explain it here. You will just throw stones in my head just for that idea. Thanks

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-10-07 Thread Dave Malham
I agree with Jörn, doing this in analogue, today, for anything else than enacting a zen koan to enlighten apprentices, seems decidedly weird... but that's part of the point about art, right? If you really, really want to do analogue Ambisonic stuff, I suggest you look at the two (hand written!) re

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-27 Thread Eero Aro
Aaron Heller wrote: Sorry to quibble, but if I feed a signal into the W and X inputs (with appropriate scaling) and ground Y and Z, then the soundfield controls on a Mk4 behave like a B-format panner. Right? You are right. The soundfield controller uses two switches to select the quadrant a

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-27 Thread Kan Kaban
Thanks a lot to everyone. We´ll continue research until the idea goes clearer. You have been very helpful. Cheers!. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-27 Thread Aaron Heller
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Eero Aro wrote: The Soundfield microphone directional controls aren't exactly panning. Sorry to quibble, but if I feed a signal into the W and X inputs (with appropriate scaling) and ground Y and Z, then the soundfield controls on a Mk4 behave like a B-format

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Chapman
> > Mathematically, > _if_ you have a perfect A-format signal set (from some theoretical > tetrahedral mic) then it can be panned. > For the _simple_ case of a yaw of X degrees, then > A' = ( A(1+cosX) + B(-sinX) + C(sinX) + D(1-cosX) ) /2 > B' = ... > etc. > _I_think_ (this was very quick on the

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Chapman
Mathematically, _if_ you have a perfect A-format signal set (from some theoretical tetrahedral mic) then it can be panned. For the _simple_ case of a yaw of X degrees, then A' = ( A(1+cosX) + B(-sinX) + C(sinX) + D(1-cosX) ) /2 B' = ... etc. _I_think_ (this was very quick on the back of an envel

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Kan Kaban
Those are lovely photographs Eero (auto-correction changed your name), thank you. Maybe someday I´ll ask for those components values, when there´s enough time to solder them! > I do have the component values to the Audio & Design Transcoder and Decoder. > > Eero -- next part -

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Kan Kaban
Sorry Mr. McGriffy & Aero for the wrong quote, I don´t do lists since some years ago. Thanks a lot for all this info to everyone, I really appreciate your concern. Now I have a lot to do… I´m sorry if some ambisonics terminology is not being used as intended. I hope you understand. The idea of u

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
hi all! re-reading my post, i notice that it could be construed as somewhat hostile in tone. this was unintended, and i'd like to apologise if anybody has taken offense. On 09/26/2013 02:01 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 09/26/2013 09:21 AM, Kan Kaban wrote: Our initial idea is to keep s

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:20:16PM -0500, Kan Kaban wrote: > Yes, I know there´s no ambisonics until there is. The idea of amplitude > panning, during A format stage, is to simplify an analogue path before > b-format exists. A-format panning means that the panner has to emulate the polar pattern

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Eero Aro
David McGriffy wrote: On 9/26/2013 2:15 PM, Eero Aro wrote: Well, if there is some kind of B-format analogue panner we would also like to learn about it´s design Wrong quote, I didn't write that. - - - However, here you are: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22100835/Audio_Design_Ambison

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread David McGriffy
If you have any kind of calibration involved, rotating before running the A to B process makes that calibration meaningless. In fact, I'd say that one of the main reasons B-format exists is precisely that it makes processing like rotations a reasonable and general thing to do. David McGriffy

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Eero Aro
Well, if there is some kind of B-format analogue panner we would also like to learn about it´s design Audio & Design sold a Pan-Rotate Unit. There is a picture of it down here: http://www.ambisonic.net/branwell_arb.html The Soundfield microphone directional controls aren't exactly panning. The

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Aaron Heller
A first-order B-format panner needs to implement the equations W = S * sqrt(1/2) X = S * cos(az) * cos(el) Y = S * sin(az) * cos(el) Z = S * sin(el) where S is the signal being panned and az and el define the direction. The Calrec Soundfield MkIV controller box has analog circuitry for s

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Kan Kaban
Thanks for your reply Jörn. You´ll have to excuse my basic english sentences, as it´s not my primary language. > "A-format" panning as you call it has nothing to do with ambisonics per se, > and the term frankly doesn't make much sense. > the module you mention is a simple amplitude panner. > >

Re: [Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 09/26/2013 09:21 AM, Kan Kaban wrote: Greetings to all Sursound list. First of all, thanks for all this years supporting Ambisonics. We´re a collective of audiovisual artists preparing for our next project. We have been researching ambisonics for the last few moths, seeding the possibility of

[Sursound] A-format panner.

2013-09-26 Thread Kan Kaban
Greetings to all Sursound list. First of all, thanks for all this years supporting Ambisonics. We´re a collective of audiovisual artists preparing for our next project. We have been researching ambisonics for the last few moths, seeding the possibility of it´s implementation. There are still so