Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-18 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 03/18/2014 04:19 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: In this case I spoke of 3h and 3h1p .AMB files, brought into some LRTQ + extension form. My question if you could not just code this into LRTQ - UV PQ - the latter 4 channels from the B format hierarchy - has not been answered on this list. ;-)

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-18 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 03/18/2014 04:19 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: In this case I spoke of 3h and 3h1p .AMB files, brought into some LRTQ + extension form. My question if you could not just code this into LRTQ - UV PQ - the latter 4 channels from the B format hierarchy - has not been

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Stefan Schreiber
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Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Kan Kaban wrote: We´re working on documentary series based on a/b-format. This BBC thing caught our attention... the future is here?. A-format? Progressive stuff...Why this? ;-) Best, Stefan Schreiber ___ Sursound mailing list

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Martin Leese wrote: Schumacher Marlon wrote: Hi, Thanks everybody for your well-considered comments. The reason for going for a 2-channel format is compatibility with distribution media formats (CD) - and I suppose it will mostly be listened to without a decoder. The possibility of

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Eero Aro
Stefan Schreiber wrote: I would call this a serious case of incompetence. In the sense that it was possible to archive 3/4 channels, also in the 80s. Strong words. I visited Nimbus in the early 90's. I must say that they used the best possible equipment that was available at the time. The

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Eero Aro wrote: Stefan Schreiber wrote: I would call this a serious case of incompetence. In the sense that it was possible to archive 3/4 channels, also in the 80s. Strong words. I visited Nimbus in the early 90's. I must say that they used the best possible equipment that was available

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Eero Aro
Hi The DASH format was published by Sony and Studer in 1982: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Stationary_Head Mitsubishi had their own format. I would assume that it was possible at this time to combine several stereo tapes into some virtual multitrack tape I find this today as an

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Leese
Stefan Schreiber wrote: ... Or distribute 3-4 channel UHJ, which is the stereo-compatible form of FOA. Of course this proposal didn't catch on, even if this should work. (I see this doesn't work for a CD distribution, but this is the only case by now. But if you chose physical distribution,

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread mgraves
Original Message - Subject: Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ From: Sampo Syreeni de...@iki.fi Date: 3/17/14 4:39 pm To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu On 2014-03-17, Eero Aro wrote: The DASH format was published by Sony and Studer in 1982: http

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread David Pickett
At 23:03 17-03-14, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote: Weren't the first digital recorders actually adapted helical scan video ones? Because, I mean, those things are line accurate by necessity, so that once you have them time coded, you ought to be able to get sample accurate registration of the

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread mgraves
- Original Message - Subject: Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ From: David Pickett d...@fugato.com Date: 3/17/14 5:15 pm To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu At 23:03 17-03-14, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote: Weren't the first digital recorders actually

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 04:04:43PM -0700, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote: We did edit using SLO series Betamax, but it was control track editing, nothing with reference time code. It was much later before I encountered anything that could be locked to proper SMPTE time code. I remember doing

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread umashankar manthravadi
and the two FM audio tracks in SVHS, but not unfortunately any Ambisonic recordings.) Umashankar Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:43:09 -0700 From: hel...@ai.sri.com To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ I used a PCM-F1/SL-2000 combo extensively in the 1980s; about 150

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-17 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Martin Leese wrote: Stefan Schreiber wrote: ... Or distribute 3-4 channel UHJ, which is the stereo-compatible form of FOA. Of course this proposal didn't catch on, even if this should work. (I see this doesn't work for a CD distribution, but this is the only case by now. But if you chose

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-16 Thread Michael Chapman
: [Sursound] Question about UHJ Message-ID: 54597.109.213.106.225.1394813302.m...@i-a-a.ch Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 There is another point - you can recover the B-Format horizontal information from UHj - so, notionally, using Bruce Wiggins' irregular decoding, you could display it on 5.1

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-16 Thread Martin Leese
Schumacher Marlon wrote: Hi, Thanks everybody for your well-considered comments. The reason for going for a 2-channel format is compatibility with distribution media formats (CD) - and I suppose it will mostly be listened to without a decoder. The possibility of recovering (2D) B-Format can

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-16 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 16 March 2014 12:38 -0600 Martin Leese martin.le...@stanfordalumni.org wrote: Unfortunately, converting back from UHJ to B-Format (and then to other formats) cannot be done without loss. Surely it would be better to say that the encoding to UHJ is where the loss takes place, and the

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-16 Thread Kan Kaban
I could be possible, b-format being the surround essence worldwide would be nice ;). You could select any delivery format on demand, instantly... ex: The binaural option has a great potential for streaming (on headphones). It could spread ambisonics (surround) worldwide, since not too much

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-15 Thread Schumacher Marlon
: [Sursound] Question about UHJ Message-ID: 54597.109.213.106.225.1394813302.m...@i-a-a.ch Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 There is another point - you can recover the B-Format horizontal information from UHj - so, notionally, using Bruce Wiggins' irregular decoding, you could display

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-14 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 03/14/2014 03:48 AM, Schumacher Marlon wrote: Dear list, A friend of mine was planning to encode a recording of his instrumental music (appr. 20 mic feeds) into 2-channel (2D) UHJ format and was strongly discouraged as UHJ would introduce nasty phasing effects. Since there should be some

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-14 Thread Peter Lennox
...@derby.ac.uk t: 01332 593155 -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Jörn Nettingsmeier Sent: 14 March 2014 10:48 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ On 03/14/2014 03:48 AM, Schumacher Marlon wrote: Dear

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-14 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 13 March 2014 22:48 -0400 Schumacher Marlon marlon.schumac...@music.mcgill.ca wrote: I read about the stereo-widening effect when listened to undecoded That depends how you perceive it. There can be some effect of reproduction outside the speakers (as some other techniques like Blumlein

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-14 Thread Eero Aro
Hi All I wouldn't call the UHJ encoding phase differences nasty. The designers of the encoding tried to choose such phase shifts, that shouldn't sound bad to most listeners. A mono sound panned directly behind has a 110 degrees phase difference in the encoded UHJ stereo signal. To me it

Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-14 Thread Michael Chapman
Sent: 14 March 2014 10:48 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Question about UHJ On 03/14/2014 03:48 AM, Schumacher Marlon wrote: Dear list, A friend of mine was planning to encode a recording of his instrumental music (appr. 20 mic feeds) into 2-channel (2D) UHJ

[Sursound] Question about UHJ

2014-03-13 Thread Schumacher Marlon
Dear list, A friend of mine was planning to encode a recording of his instrumental music (appr. 20 mic feeds) into 2-channel (2D) UHJ format and was strongly discouraged as UHJ would introduce nasty phasing effects. Since there should be some hundred 2-channel UHJ LPs and CDs (which should be