Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-05-07 Thread Stephanie Bertet
Hi, For the number of speaker to use, you might want to look at the paper from Peter Stitt on the spectral impairment of enclosed HOA (Ambisonics Symposium in 2012). I also did a study beforehand on the influence of microphone and loudspeaker setup on perceived HOA reproduced soundfield

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-05-01 Thread Phi Shu
thanks Ralph and Augustine for input on the tangential query, and Michael for posting the original question... taken together, there are plenty of useful suggestions, cheers! On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 3:53 AM Michael Bevers wrote: > Thanks for the reply, Pierre! Sounds like I have some more

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-29 Thread Michael Bevers
Thanks for the reply, Pierre! Sounds like I have some more digging to do in the list. I'm reading through the papers on Jorn's website now. Thanks for pointing me towards his work again. Regarding the ideal Ambisonic playback array, I guess I am really just looking to optimize the 20 speaker

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-29 Thread Augustine Leudar
ou can also derive such 4.0 tracks from B > format > > > recordings but get rid of the Z component. You can use an Ambiophone > for > > > free to make recordings if you like. RACE is also free to use. > > > > > > All this stuff is mostly free or very

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-29 Thread Michael Bevers
alph Glasgal > > BEP, MSEE, AES, IEEE > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Phi > Shu > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 11:10 AM > > To: Surround Sound discussion group > > Subject

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-29 Thread Augustine Leudar
t is also a saving. > > Ralph Glasgal > BEP, MSEE, AES, IEEE > > -Original Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Phi Shu > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 11:10 AM > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Stu

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-29 Thread Ralph Glasgal
: Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems > You should consider Ambiophonics. well, not sure it would integrate with my workflow, primarily using Nuendo and Max right now. With four speakers and 4.0 media such as > Dolby Atmos or Auro3D or B format, you can have

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-29 Thread Peter Lennox
ar Sent: 29 April 2019 20:15:21 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems Hi Phi, I use 8 speakers often enough and have covered faily large areas and you can get great effects including height with only 8 speakers, in fact you can

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-29 Thread Augustine Leudar
Hi Phi, I use 8 speakers often enough and have covered faily large areas and you can get great effects including height with only 8 speakers, in fact you can get height with just one speaker if you stick it up a tree :) ( its not how many speakers you have its where you put them ;) An octophonic

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-29 Thread Phi Shu
ge- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > Augustine > Leudar > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 4:05 AM > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems > > I havent

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-26 Thread Phi Shu
Reading above, curious then, for those of us who don't have the luxury of working with 24 channels plus, what is the best way to utilise 8 speakers such that one can produce with a larger array in mind? (or at least approach an approximation of how it might sound). How to approach monitoring

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-24 Thread Augustine Leudar
There was a really interesting study which I cant for the life of me find about an listening tests on focussed sources, or sounds appearing inside the array with HOA at IRCAMS facility. Aside from nearly blowing the array up trying to make the sound appear close to the centre of the array they

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-22 Thread Stefan Schreiber
It might be helpful to reflect about the basics: If ambisonics is about sound field reconstruction it will work best in the sweet spot. Accordingly it might be better to separate into sweet spot and “area” applications, as different cases. (Home/headphone vs. concert/performance

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-22 Thread Pierre Alexandre Tremblay
I forgot to say: Jörn Nettingsmeier ’s experience was life changing. He really knows about the reality of real-life in-hall use of HOA and was incredibly wise and generous. Great discussion with Anders Tveit were important too. Pierre Guillot’s help with sorting the many, many issues of the

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-22 Thread Pierre Alexandre Tremblay
This report is very much in line with my observations too, in the concert hall and in optimal studio conditions. I would say that HOA start to be usable for focused point source around the 5th order, and gets better higher up with the problems of then having the speaker setup to fill it… so

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-20 Thread Augustine Leudar
Ps if I remember rightly Peter Stitt may have done some studies comparing vbap and ambisonics in an octoganal array at sarc you could check him out. On Saturday, 20 April 2019, Augustine Leudar wrote: > I havent done a study on it but ive done hundreds of compositions and > installations and

Re: [Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-20 Thread Augustine Leudar
I havent done a study on it but ive done hundreds of compositions and installations and the differences are pretty obvious. Ambisonics is pretty good at filling a hole in the panning but vbap can be better under some circumstances. Ambisonics is pretty much useles if you want to say, makes sounds

[Sursound] Study Comparing Ambisonic and Channel Based Systems

2019-04-19 Thread Michael Bevers
Hello, I'm curious if anyone knows of, or has conducted, any studies comparing an Ambisonic system to a channel-based system? For example, a comparison of an Auro 3-D system with an Ambisonic system. Or even just a 5.1 surround system with an Ambisonic system. I haven't found any studies myself