Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Any one by any chance know the Q, db value and migrating frequency range to create the illusion of elevation (generic values) offhand ? On Tuesday, 15 December 2015, wrote: > All well, Jörn... > > It is possible to criticize some of the assumptions below. Nevertheless, >

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

(Of notches/peaks) On Friday, 18 December 2015, Augustine Leudar wrote: > Any one by any chance know the Q, db value and migrating frequency range > to create the illusion of elevation (generic values) offhand ? > > On Tuesday, 15 December 2015,

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Augustine Leudar wrote: Any one by any chance know the Q, db value and migrating frequency range to create the illusion of elevation (generic values) offhand ? It's a guesswork, or compromise at best. Personalised HRTFs are preferable. It looks that a lot can be done to go into this

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

_ > From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu <javascript:;>] on behalf > of Augustine Leudar [augustineleu...@gmail.com <javascript:;>] > Sent: 18 December 2015 22:32 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Im talking about directional bands not hrtfs per se and its not guesswork its the result of years of meticuopus research. Its also not applicable to this project which does not use headphones and I do not have time to explain now. Anyone know the answer ? I think it was Bluert ? On 18 December

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] on behalf of Augustine Leudar [augustineleu...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 December 2015 22:32 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015) Im

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

On 12/15/2015 03:32 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: In our discussion before we have found convincing evidence and arguments that head motion should be relevant even to obtain improved vertical localization. Just to set the record straight again: evidence is not to be found on sursound. Evidence

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

profile/Peter_Lennox -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Anderson Sent: 14 December 2015 20:23 To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

All well, Jörn... It is possible to criticize some of the assumptions below. Nevertheless, people doing some practical work have worked out since quite a while that head movements do matter for localization. This was why I provided the links. One linl is about some current VR SDK, the

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

ound Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015) Hi Bo, I googled "tinting" in relation to this but couldn't find any papers - could you point me in the direction of these demonstrations/links ? The thing is virtually all

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: Tried to formulate it like this exactly: Above 4 kHz individual hrtf's are very difficult to create. Generic HRTF transformation can (should) be used for 4kHz and upwards. Best Regards Bo-Erik On Dec 12, 2015 10:19 PM, "Stefan Schreiber" wrote:

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Joseph Anderson wrote: effect. (Of course, all built out of the SuperCollider version of the ATK .) You may want to get rid of the soundofspace links as they point to something quite different now.

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

r. Peter Lennox > Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy > Senior Lecturer in Perception > College of Arts > University of Derby > > Tel: 01332 593155 > > From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine > L

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Tried to formulate it like this exactly: Above 4 kHz individual hrtf's are very difficult to create. Generic HRTF transformation can (should) be used for 4kHz and upwards. Best Regards Bo-Erik On Dec 12, 2015 10:19 PM, "Stefan Schreiber" wrote: > Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: >

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Thanks for clarifying Bo-Erik On 13 December 2015 at 15:42, Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: > Tried to formulate it like this exactly: > Above 4 kHz individual hrtf's are very difficult to create. > Generic HRTF transformation can (should) be used for 4kHz and upwards. > > Best

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Have Youtube donera anything about turning your head in relation to your torso? The Best way I have found to hear The effect is have a very large fan behind a grid set in a Wall to create a White noise source you can hear at a distance of 20 meter over an ill kept grassed area that also is tilted

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

I've been working for a couple of years now on a synthetic binaural system. My first reason was to be able to interpolate cleanly between HRTFs, which I think is working well. I can move sounds around at silly speeds and get smooth responses. And it all sounds good to me, but of course, I may

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

I remember in my earliest days in computer music, when I was at the Electronic Music Studio in the Physics Department of University College, Cardiff, having height effects on broadband sounds demonstrated to me by Mike Greenhough of the audio research group (this was around 1970 so I can't be

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: I just want to say that when I read Joseph's mail I feel like christmas has come early this year :-) I have been thinking about headtracked binaural listening for a couple of years and discussing it here and in other forums. The goal is to make it possible to listen to

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: Sadly this info is not published as far as I know, I have it from Ingvar Öhman http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ingvar+%C3%B6hman=1 who had a research company for researching how the human hearing work together with the 2 loudspeaker stereo system. He did a demo recording showing

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Hi Joseph When you say "colouring" are you introducing directional bands ? It would be.interesting to see any listening tests to see if listeners did indeed localise source sounds at different places in the median plane with and without these directional bands. Anything been published on this ? I

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

I just want to say that when I read Joseph's mail I feel like christmas has come early this year :-) I have been thinking about headtracked binaural listening for a couple of years and discussing it here and in other forums. The goal is to make it possible to listen to ambisonics first order

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Sadly this info is not published as far as I know, I have it from Ingvar Öhman http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ingvar+%C3%B6hman=1 who had a research company for researching how the human hearing work together with the 2 loudspeaker stereo system. He did a demo recording showing how you could do stereo

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

332 593155 From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar [augustineleu...@gmail.com] Sent: 11 December 2015 13:10 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015) Hi Bo, I googled "tinti

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Hi Bo, I googled "tinting" in relation to this but couldn't find any papers - could you point me in the direction of these demonstrations/links ? The thing is virtually all the HRTF info related to vertical localisation is above 4 khz. The device we made allowed you to move sounds up and down, and

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Hello Augustine, In the paper from Duda and Brown listed above the 'colouring' implied for a 'tinted' decoder would be a high shelf filter. (And I'm suggesting it would need to be either linear phase or otherwise phase

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Thanks Joseh I'll have a look a that best, Gus On 11 December 2015 at 19:21, Joseph Anderson < j.ander...@ambisonictoolkit.net> wrote: > Hello Augustine, > > In the paper from Duda and Brown > > listed > above the

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

I'd just add here that a sensible approach would be to use (or design) a 'tinted' decoder. That is, a decoder that includes frequency (& or time) domain filtering to color the soundfield on playback. Blue Ripple Sound includes tinted decoders

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Journal of the AES 2015 October - Volume 63 Number 10 The Effect of Interchannel Time Difference on Localization in Vertical Stereophony Authors:Wallis, Rory; Lee, Hyunkook Affiliation:Applied

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Hemipole - nice ! If it makes you feel any better Jorn - the ICST object I used "ambipanning~" uses "ambisonics equivalent panning" - which as far as I know is just hyped up amplitude panning ;) On 10 December 2015 at 17:29, Jörn Nettingsmeier < netti...@stackingdwarves.net> wrote: > On

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

On 12/10/2015 04:59 PM, Peter Lennox wrote: It does imply that an ambisonic panner plugin that incorporates spectral manipulation would be more efficacious noo! if it's an ambisonic panner, it doesn't change the spectrum. if it changes the spectrum, it's not an ambisonic panner :) --

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

On 12/09/2015 03:00 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: i've attached the paper, since it is open access. well, i meant to, but apparently the attachment got eaten. here it is: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=18040 -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

-Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Jörn Nettingsmeier Sent: 10 December 2015 12:56 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015) On 12/09/2015 03:00 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

> -Original Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > Jörn Nettingsmeier > Sent: 10 December 2015 12:56 > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation > (wallis and lee 2015)

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

eter_Lennox > > > -Original Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > Augustine Leudar > Sent: 10 December 2015 15:42 > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Subject: Re: [Sursound]

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

of Arts > > University of Derby, UK > > e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk > > t: 01332 593155 > > https://derby.academia.edu/peterlennox > > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

> > > -Original Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > Augustine Leudar > Sent: 10 December 2015 15:57 > To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisat

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

m: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Jörn > Nettingsmeier > Sent: 10 December 2015 12:56 > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation > (wallis and lee 2015) > > On 12/09/2015 03:00 PM, Jörn Nett

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

[mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar Sent: 10 December 2015 16:05 To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015) I ended up making one one ! well sort

[Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

On 12/08/2015 09:07 PM, Peter Lennox wrote: no -percedence effects include a range of phenomena. But precedence in the median plane isn't quite as effective as in the azimuthal plane, according to Litovsky, Rakerd, Hartmann et al, but is still quite effective and so not negligible. So I'd like

Re: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015)

Nettingsmeier Sent: 09 December 2015 14:00 To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: [Sursound] vertical precendence and summing localisation (wallis and lee 2015) On 12/08/2015 09:07 PM, Peter Lennox wrote: > no -percedence effects include a range of phenomena. But p