Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-09-13 Thread David Pickett
Today is the last opportunity to hear the BBC live experimental 4.0 internet transmissions of this year's Proms from the Royal Albert Hall. The Last Night is made for sursound and should be worth hearing with the BBC's mic setup. The concert starts at 7:30 pm BST, which is 2:30 pm EDT. The

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-09-13 Thread John Leonard Main
Sadly, I'm sitting in a church on the other side of town making my own surround recording of works by Nick and Tony Bicât, so will miss it. Impressed with what I've heard so far, though. If anyone makes a recording, I'd love a copy. Hope it all goes well and thanks for putting the test

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-21 Thread mick
Icant test 64tk soundflower but I use 16 tk version ie 1.5.2 ish - because Protools wont use the 64tk You could try going back uninstall and install older version but I dont get firefox working with test file Its fine on chrome in 10.8 and 10.6 mick On 20 Jul 2014, at 19:12, Ralf R

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-21 Thread Rupert Brun
Thanks everyone for the feedback and if you get the experiment to work for you please feel free to comment via the blog. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio3/posts/BBC-Proms-in-Surround-Sound To provide a bit more detail to the biggest concern within this group, which seems to be around

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-21 Thread Andy Furniss
Rupert Brun wrote: Some people have commented that we should make a normal surround sound stream available but I'm not at all sure what they mean by this. For live streaming you need a codec and a transport layer. Our normal transport layers Flash and Shoutcast. Flash won't support more than

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-21 Thread Rupert Brun
the browser/flash requirement/restriction is your arbitary choice. I doubt I am that exceptional as a Linux user in not using browser/flash to access BBC content. I could even download r3_aaclca.pls with wget look in it and download with wget using the long http:// url. I think we are

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-21 Thread Andy Furniss
Rupert Brun wrote: the browser/flash requirement/restriction is your arbitary choice. I doubt I am that exceptional as a Linux user in not using browser/flash to access BBC content. I could even download r3_aaclca.pls with wget look in it and download with wget using the long http:// url.

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-20 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 19.07.14 18:47, schrieb m...@superorg.com: Easy to record stream on a Mac Install Cycling74's Soundflower its free and doesnt interfere with anything I've spent the afternoon trying various things and Chrome doesn't output any sound through the 64-channel version. 2-channels works. With

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 18.07.14 15:21, schrieb Rupert Brun: The BBC will make the BBC Proms Concerts available in 4.0 using MPEG-DASH. The stream will be available internationally. Does anyone have the first idea how to record this stuff on a Mac? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog :

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread John Leonard
Well, it depends on how you're listening: because I'm using a Metric Halo ULN-8, I just route the decoded signal through their console application which lets me record all four channels. I would imagine that most sound cards will let you do the same thing, if that's how you're getting the

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread David Pickett
On 19 Jul 2014, at 10:13, Ralf R Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote: Does anyone have the first idea how to record this stuff on a Mac? At 12:35 19-07-14, John Leonard wrote: Well, it depends on how you're listening: because I'm using a Metric Halo ULN-8, I just route the decoded signal through

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 19.07.14 14:53, schrieb David Pickett: It has to be do-able, but how you actually manage it depends on your A/D/A converter, which must obviously be at least 4-track. I'm aware of the various possibilities to do this via an audio interface. I'd rather capture the signal in the digital

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 19 July 2014 14:59 +0200 Ralf R Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote: I'm aware of the various possibilities to do this via an audio interface. I'd rather capture the signal in the digital domain. Many of these interfaces can, through their control programs, do exactly that. Paul -- Paul

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Marc Lavallée
Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:13:11 +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote : Am 18.07.14 15:21, schrieb Rupert Brun: The BBC will make the BBC Proms Concerts available in 4.0 using MPEG-DASH. The stream will be available internationally. Does anyone have the first idea how to record this stuff on a Mac?

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:00:20AM -0400, Marc Lavallée wrote: Here's how to do it on Linux. To get the sound of web browsers (including Chrome/Chromium), I use the Pulseaudio sound server, installed by default. I also use the jackd sound server with the pulseaudio module for jackd. There's

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread mick
Easy to record stream on a Mac Install Cycling74's Soundflower its free and doesnt interfere with anything Install Audacity its a free recorder Set your Macs Sound Output to Soundflower16 - at this point you wont hear anything from chrome at this point launch soundflowerbed and allocate

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Marc Lavallée
Hi Fons. I disabled PA and Jackd, enabled all output channels in alsamixer, and opened Chromium 34 on the test page: http://rdmedia.bbc.co.uk/proms/test.html Chromium can use Alsa, but I also have a mapping problem. Here's what's coming out of my 7.1 sound card (per jack): Lime green (front):

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 19.07.14 18:47, schrieb m...@superorg.com: Set your Macs Sound Output to Soundflower16 - at this point you wont hear anything from chrome This is as far as I get. Soundflower64, actually (only 2 or 64 channels here). at this point launch soundflowerbed and allocate tracks to play out

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread David Pickett
I AM capturing it in the digital domain. It's 48kHz. David At 14:59 19-07-14, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 19.07.14 14:53, schrieb David Pickett: It has to be do-able, but how you actually manage it depends on your A/D/A converter, which must obviously be at least 4-track. I'm aware of the

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Aaron Heller
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 9:47 AM, m...@superorg.com wrote: On 19 Jul 2014, at 10:13, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 18.07.14 15:21, schrieb Rupert Brun: The BBC will make the BBC Proms Concerts available in 4.0 using MPEG-DASH. The stream will be available internationally. Does anyone have the

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-19 Thread Martin Leese
David Pickett wrote: ... Regarding the lack of browser choice, I agree that it would be nice if all adhered to the HTML5 standard; but they dont. (What's the point of useful standards -- i.e. the HTML5 media tag -- if not everbody uses them?) I am sure it doesn't help that there is no actual

[Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Rupert Brun
The BBC will make the BBC Proms Concerts available in 4.0 using MPEG-DASH. The stream will be available internationally. This is an experiment and may not always be working, but please give feedback through the blog or twitter using #BBCProms4 The blog with details and links to the player are

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Richard
Firstly, i must say a thank you for letting us know. But, after the last test it is obvious that a large majority of us were unable to enjoy these broadcasts due to the limited requirements. May i ask a question as a BBC licence payer. Why is this not available via the standard broadcast

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Andy Furniss
Rupert Brun wrote: The BBC will make the BBC Proms Concerts available in 4.0 using MPEG-DASH. The stream will be available internationally. So the're available to the world subject to what browser/os you use, but not to me who pays the licence fee. Why must MPEG-DASH be used for this? It's

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/18/2014 03:48 PM, Andy Furniss wrote: Rupert Brun wrote: The BBC will make the BBC Proms Concerts available in 4.0 using MPEG-DASH. The stream will be available internationally. So the're available to the world subject to what browser/os you use, but not to me who pays the licence fee.

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Rupert Brun
Subject: Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0 Message-ID: 1FEE6A94610C4E9985F21531E479CB2B@DreamingSpires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Firstly, i must say a thank you for letting us know. But, after the last test it is obvious that a large majority of us were unable to enjoy these broadcasts

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread David Pickett
At 15:34 18-07-14, Richard wrote: Firstly, i must say a thank you for letting us know. But, after the last test it is obvious that a large majority of us were unable to enjoy these broadcasts due to the limited requirements. I should be interested to know what you mean by limited requirements

[Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Rev Tony Newnham
Hi It looks interesting - but access via the digital networks would be easier. At least it should be simpler than the BBC's Quadraphonic trials back in the 1970's - that required to 2 FM receivers! Not sure that my internet is currently reliable enough - especially in the evenings, but I

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Andy Furniss
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 07/18/2014 03:48 PM, Andy Furniss wrote: Rupert Brun wrote: The BBC will make the BBC Proms Concerts available in 4.0 using MPEG-DASH. The stream will be available internationally. So the're available to the world subject to what browser/os you use, but not to me

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Andy Furniss
Rupert Brun wrote: We can't deliver over normal broadcast channels because we don't have the bandwidth and there would be very significant costs for a small audience. We are using MPEG DASH because it handles surround sound well and can be decoded entirely within the browser without any third

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread John Leonard
Stream working well here - shame it's wildly out of sync with the broadcast picture, though. Some distortion apparent on FF passages? John On 18 Jul 2014, at 14:21, Rupert Brun rupert.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The BBC will make the BBC Proms Concerts available in 4.0 using MPEG-DASH. The

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread David Pickett
At 21:38 18-07-14, John Leonard wrote: Stream working well here - shame it's wildly out of sync with the broadcast picture, though. Some distortion apparent on FF passages? Yes, I heard some distortion on the violins in places: it sounds digital but I wasnt sure where it came from, as I've

Re: [Sursound] BBC Proms in 4.0

2014-07-18 Thread Andy Furniss
David Pickett wrote: At 21:38 18-07-14, John Leonard wrote: Stream working well here - shame it's wildly out of sync with the broadcast picture, though. Some distortion apparent on FF passages? Yes, I heard some distortion on the violins in places: it sounds digital but I wasnt sure