Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread dw
On 21/12/2013 03:40, David Worrall wrote: I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing hardware can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of time. Does anyone have a reference for this?

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread Stefan Schreiber
dw wrote: On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (assuming the HRTF decoding can be done

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 12/21/2013 04:40 AM, David Worrall wrote: I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing hardware can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of time. Does anyone have a reference for this? purely anecdotal, but i was surprised (and just a little bit

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread dw
On 21/12/2013 10:58, Stefan Schreiber wrote: dw wrote: On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread dw
On 21/12/2013 10:58, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Just for clarification. (Nobody corrected this.) The Ambisonic scientologists don't want to play? In 1901, Allen Upward http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Upward coined /Scientology/ as a disparaging term, to indicate a blind, unthinking

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread Stefan Schreiber
dw wrote: On 21/12/2013 10:58, Stefan Schreiber wrote: dw wrote: On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread Marc Lavallée
Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:02:26 -0800, Aaron Heller hel...@ai.sri.com a écrit : On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM, David Worrall worr...@avatar.com.auwrote: I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing hardware can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread umashankar manthravadi
From: Marc Lavallée Sent: 21-12-2013 21:54 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:02:26 -0800, Aaron Heller hel...@ai.sri.com a écrit : On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM, David Worrall worr...@avatar.com.auwrote: I

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread dw
On 21/12/2013 13:28, Stefan Schreiber wrote: dw wrote: On 21/12/2013 10:58, Stefan Schreiber wrote: dw wrote: On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread dw
On 21/12/2013 16:24, Marc Lavallée wrote: My comprehension of Ambisonics is that the listener's head (in the sweetest spot) is exposed to one coherent approximation of a reproduced (or synthesized) sound field, not to a set of directional waves coming from the speakers (one directional wave

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24:45AM -0500, Marc Lavallée wrote: My comprehension of Ambisonics is that the listener's head (in the sweetest spot) is exposed to one coherent approximation of a reproduced (or synthesized) sound field, not to a set of directional waves coming from the speakers

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-21 Thread Marc Lavallée
Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:40:19 +, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org a écrit : On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24:45AM -0500, Marc Lavallée wrote: My comprehension of Ambisonics is that the listener's head (in the sweetest spot) is exposed to one coherent approximation of a reproduced (or

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-20 Thread David Worrall
I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing hardware can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of time. Does anyone have a reference for this? David On 15/12/2013, at 5:57 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Dave. I never tried head tracking while

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-20 Thread Aaron Heller
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM, David Worrall worr...@avatar.com.auwrote: I remember reading that, with exposure, human's audio-processing hardware can adapt to/learn how to use a non-optimal HRTF, given a bit of time. Does anyone have a reference for this? I don't know about

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-15 Thread Dave Malham
Hi Marc, I think it is, perhaps, a little pessimistic to talk of needing to assess dozens of hrtf's to find the one that's right for for you, if you have head tracking in use. My experience with this dates back 20 years to the days of the Lake DSP Huron systems when I first heard this - even

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-15 Thread Marc Lavallée
Hi Dave. I never tried head tracking while listening to stereo or Ambisonics (I'm not that much of an insider). I'm optimistic about it, even with virtual microphones; but I suspect that the contribution of head tracking would then be limited to the interpretation of level differences and

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-14 Thread Marc Lavallée
Hi Stefan. Stefan Schreiber st...@mail.telepac.pt a écrit : For us means in this context: A club of enthusiasts and some academics. That us, in the context of mass distribution, statistically means a lot of people unable to enjoy Ambisonics using generic HRTFs; there's also a whole lot of

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-14 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: Because the decoder in the phone, for a few unlucky people, might not work as well as their home decoder. I don't think I am so confused as I am sometimes read: The home decoder makes obviously a lot of sense if you want to listen to surround/Ambisonics at home.

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 12 December 2013 01:41 + Stefan Schreiber st...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: You won't need any base station for HT, by now! If you have no fixed reference, how do you cope? Do you add a compass (and have a command to set the direction of front), or do you allow the front to drift back into

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread etienne deleflie
The first part is overdue (and many thanks to Hector!), the second part is a nice demonstration. But from a CE perspective, I highly doubt that normal consumers would glue (in my terms) their smartphone to their head. of course not ... but the point is that the demonstration is accessible by

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Marc Lavallée
Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (assuming the HRTF decoding can be done right). Etienne HRTF decoding is the problem here.

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Paul Hodges wrote: --On 12 December 2013 01:41 + Stefan Schreiber st...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: You won't need any base station for HT, by now! If you have no fixed reference, how do you cope? GPS, relative GPS? Do you add a compass (and have a command to set the direction

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (assuming the HRTF decoding can be done right). Etienne HRTF

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Stefan Schreiber
drift.[15][22] Just to answer some questions from before... (I have posted about this way before.) Best, Stefan Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 07:40:03 -0500 From: m...@hacklava.net To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related Hi Étienne. etienne

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread dw
On 12/12/2013 12:40, Marc Lavallée wrote: Hi Étienne. etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com a écrit : ... and then ambisonics is suddenly available to masses of people, for very cheap, and with a consistent and quality spatial experience (assuming the HRTF decoding can be done right). Etienne

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 12/12/2013 03:26 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Paul Hodges wrote: --On 12 December 2013 01:41 + Stefan Schreiber st...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: You won't need any base station for HT, by now! If you have no fixed reference, how do you cope? GPS, relative GPS? i doubt it would be

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Stefan Schreiber
etienne deleflie wrote: The first part is overdue (and many thanks to Hector!), the second part is a nice demonstration. But from a CE perspective, I highly doubt that normal consumers would glue (in my terms) their smartphone to their head. of course not ... but the point is that the

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 12/12/2013 03:26 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: Paul Hodges wrote: --On 12 December 2013 01:41 + Stefan Schreiber st...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: You won't need any base station for HT, by now! If you have no fixed reference, how do you cope? GPS,

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Hector Centeno wrote: Hello all, I just wanted to share with this list information about two Android apps I've been working on and that I will release soon. I made them because I thought it would be great to be able to listen to ambisonic recordings in a portable way without the need of a full

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread dw
On 12/12/2013 12:44, umashankar manthravadi wrote: two years ago, I acquired a motor cycle helmet with the intention of mounting eight headphones to listen to ambisonics without hrtf. i was going to use it with a 20 dollar dolby 7.1 usb device. It was not one of your better plans.. :-)

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread Peter Lennox
...@dwareing.plus.com] Sent: 12 December 2013 23:02 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related On 12/12/2013 12:44, umashankar manthravadi wrote: two years ago, I acquired a motor cycle helmet with the intention of mounting eight headphones to listen

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread dw
From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of dw [d...@dwareing.plus.com] Sent: 12 December 2013 23:02 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related On 12/12/2013 12:44, umashankar manthravadi wrote: two years ago, I acquired

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-11 Thread etienne deleflie
finally! congratulations on being the first to get this out. I've been waiting for exactly that combination of technology ... using a phone's built-in gyro to do head-tracking and offer binaural decodes of ambisonic material on something we all carry around ... smart phones. If this

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-11 Thread Stefan Schreiber
etienne deleflie wrote: finally! congratulations on being the first to get this out. I've been waiting for exactly that combination of technology ... using a phone's built-in gyro to do head-tracking and offer binaural decodes of ambisonic material on something we all carry around ...

[Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-10 Thread Hector Centeno
Hello all, I just wanted to share with this list information about two Android apps I've been working on and that I will release soon. I made them because I thought it would be great to be able to listen to ambisonic recordings in a portable way without the need of a full size computer. The

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-10 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
as a vst with control of directions via parameters. - Bo-Erik Sandholm Stockholm -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Hector Centeno Sent: den 10 december 2013 16:25 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-10 Thread Len Moskowitz
Hector: What an incredible demonstration video! Isn't that John Leonard's wonderful recording of the Orfeo string quartet doing Beethoven? Third movement. If I recall correctly it was done with a TetraMic and a Metric Halo ULN-8. I can't wait to try your apps! Len Moskowitz

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-10 Thread Hector Centeno
Centeno Sent: den 10 december 2013 16:25 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related Hello all, I just wanted to share with this list information about two Android apps I've been working on and that I will release soon. I made them because I