Hi Dave
Hey, there's the answer :) Use additives instead of cats.
Oh no, solve one problem, create another.
When catalysts were due to come into UK a car magazine took a pair of
new Austin/Rover Metros around a town in UK (Cambridge I think) with
gas analysers attached.
When cold the catalyst
There are 85 of us here now. Why so quiet? Good biz ain't made by
lurking, guys.
Best
Keith Addison
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Thank you for the kick. I just joined a couple days ago. I am walking, nay,
running, to the archives right now to see if my questions can be answered
concerning government regs in setting up a mini-refinery, taxation (I'm in
Connecticut, US, and I see that UK does tax biodiesel) on sale of
Hello Pat, and welcome
I'm sure your questions can be answered. The archives isn't that big
yet (newish group). The archives at the Biofuels list is real big, so
try that too.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/messages
If you don't find, ask - I reckon the list's collective knowledge is
Congratulations,
I think you will be able to do it, especially now,
when US is still not aware of the benefits of the
biofuels. If you're the first in the market, you will
be succesfull later. And by the way, it is much easier
to get equipment in states than in Europe. Howwever,
the fresh oil
Hey Keith I jumped over from the main biofuels list
Does anyone have experience getting a BATF small fuel producer permit?
-Martin Klingensmith
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are 85 of us here now. Why so quiet? Good biz ain't made by
lurking, guys.
Best
Keith Addison
If the energy obtained from a given mass of hydrogen is 100% -
the energy taken to make that hydrogen by hydrolysis is 130%
It then takes another 30% to compress it for portability
Making it, in all, in all 160% energy negative
So much for the energy economy - unless you have access to unlimited
Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They address the option of using a hydrocarbon
dino-fuel for powering a fuel cell, however I don't
think they realize that, at current technology levels,
liquid hydrogen is extremely hard to transport.
Hydrogen is also simply an energy transfer
Jim Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I just started on this list, I'm not sure if this is old news to all
or not...but I ran across it this morning.
http://sports.yahoo.com/m/environmental/news/getf/20010711/getfaddingsoy
beanoiltojetfue.html
Adding Soybean Oil to Jet Fuel Could Bring Cleaner
Ken,
If you can describe the consistency of the substance that is really white,
it might help to identify your problem.
If what is really white is the consistency of gloppy mayonnaise, what you
have is an incomplete reaction that you have tried to wash. Everything has
emulsified due to the
Oh yes,,
Something dear to me, big sparks.
Put a high voltage through water and energize your plants into growing 50%
quicker.
Read this
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/07/08/stiireire01006.html?
Ian
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George Bush says it will work!! He uses fuzzy math!!
Greg
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If the energy obtained from a given mass of hydrogen is
Must be difficult for the football players, having to dodge all those giant
carrot tops and rabbits.
Does it work for algae?
Ed B.
www.biofuels.ca
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lol
Reckon it would.
Ive put a HV charge thru water to make hydrogen, but never thought of
putting the water out on the lawn. Maybe I should, I'll also run a pipe to
the garden pond and see if I get an algae ploom. That only happens when the
water gets enriched with O2. be a neat experiment. I'll
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0711-06.htm
Published on Thursday, July 12, 2001 in the Independent / UK
Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists
by Michael McCarthy, Steve Connor, Richard Lloyd Parry and Stephen Castle
A 2,000-page UN report on the science and potential
hydrolyser can be batch and thus self pressurizing.
Kirk
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] A Pollution-Free Car in Every Garage
If the energy obtained from a given mass
Been awhile since I've contributed my two cents, new job, new home,
not much time for net access until now. Hello to all.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
unlimited hydro-electric..or wind, geothermal, nuclear, tidal, PV,
biodiesel-genset-H tank,
There are a variety of ways to produce hydrogen. Although the fundamental
energy equations still apply, energy can be obtained from as you say
hydroelectric, solar, geothermal, and algae. I think Iceland is big on
this.
Also compression isn't the only way to store the hydrogen. THEY'RE using
I like the idea of hydrogen, too, but take a look at
www.biofuels.fsnet.co.uk/sustain.htm if you want to see what the
disadvantages are.
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Business Plan for Bio Diesel?
Which part of the global network are you in?
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
I would really appreciate you doing this and letting me have a copy,can i
help? where are you? Im in Cambridge U.K.
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Business Plan for Bio
Donna here
I am putting together plans for hemp for oil if the plans you get could be
adapted for hemp bio fuel could you give me a copy, I have found all the
relevant grants all I;m waiting for is license information and confirmation
on land, it would be of great help.
Thanks
Donna
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http://www.nf-2000.org
Agro-Industrial Research
CD-ROM and searchable database
Ed B.
www.biofuels.ca
Specifically, I was looking at this one (what to do with all your glycerol
and biodiesel, wood waste, etc.)
http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Air/S1126.htm
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Dear Group:
I am writing a book about the conflict
between the proponents of gasoline and the
proponents of alcohol, to provide the predominate
vehicle fuel in the future, and I need your help.
1. I am trying to find studies, articles and
references to a genetically bio-engineered
HV = High Voltage? Why? electrolysis only needs a hair under 2volts, any
more creates heat, not hydrogen.
Steve Spence
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To paraphrase Marlin Brando in the movie Apocalypse Now...
I LOVE THE SMELL OF FRESHLY WASHED HEMP BIODIESEL IN THE MORNING.
IT SMELLS LIKE VICTORY
Every new batch is like a shot in the arm - better than Jolt Cola and 10 times
more addictive.
Todd
Appal Energy
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Does anyone have any info on wind power? Cost of equipment, output, etc?
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 3:26 AM
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You must talk to Don Lancaster.
the point is, if you generate 1kw from solar, shouldn't you store 80% in a
battery (ev) instead of 30% in a hydrogen tank (fuel cell ev)?
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figure about a $1 (US) per watt.
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You must talk to Don Lancaster. He doesn't like low delta T thermo or
electrolysis in energy solutions.
Depends on price of fossil fuel and price of electricity. A solar thermal
power plant can be constructed right now, if you are a good technician, for
$500 a kilowatt. Maintenance is mirrors
Sorry.
Is it just me, or does this request sound more like a command?
Perhaps if my paycheck depended upon providing the information or not, it
would be on his desk tomorrow.
As I am not strapped to a time clock, nor beholding to anyone (for the most
part)
I must ask, Why should anyone
Compared to at least $5 per watt for solar, why do
people generally go for solar? [I don't know enough to
have a strong opinion]
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figure about a $1 (US) per watt.
Steve Spence
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:08:40 -0400
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Subject:[biofuel] Victory...
I didn't mean to demand the information. I really
am writing the book. If I find anything helpful to
cause the collapse of oil producing nations and
states and getting rid of w's oily friends, I'd
do it. I want to see decentralization of energy,
clean air, an across the board reduction of
Not enough lead in the world to give everyone a battery bank. And batteries
have their problems. Weight is one. Magnesium aluminum hydride stores a lot
of hydrogen and isn't terribly heavy compared to lead acid battery.
Also refueling quickly is important.
I still like liquid nitrogen car.
Kirk
Reliability.
$5 is photovoltaic retail.
Can be done for a lot less.
Kirk
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From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:36 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: A Pollution-Free Car in Every Garage
Compared to
Okay, memory failed me but has once again been polished and refurbished.
Mind you though, I still love the smell of freshly washed hemp biodiesel in
the morning.
IT SMELLS LIKE VICTORY
Not quite on Marlon Brando Todd, It was an old Georgia
boy Robert Duvall who spoke that line you
I hope I'm on your side.
I think, therefore I could be wrong
I think that anyone that puts forward fair effort to achieve a just end is
in the same camp.
Sorry. Just getting inundated with expectations of info delivery, half of
which strike as coming from individuals wanting their
steve spence wrote:
the point is, if you generate 1kw from solar, shouldn't you store 80% in a
battery (ev) instead of 30% in a hydrogen tank (fuel cell ev)?
An excellent question. In terms of energy density, lead acid batteries are
perfectly adequate for the short trips most people
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snippage of very good stuff I think a lot of the discussion concerning
fuel cell
usage in automobiles consists of little more than green wash. If we really
wanted to be environmentally friendly, we'd walk, or ride a bike!
Yes, this I do every day.
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snippage of very good stuff I think a lot of the discussion concerning
fuel cell
usage in automobiles consists of little more than green wash. If we really
wanted to be environmentally friendly, we'd walk, or ride a bike!
Yes, this I do every
I didn't mean to demand the information. I really
am writing the book. If I find anything helpful to
cause the collapse of oil producing nations and
states and getting rid of w's oily friends, I'd
do it. I want to see decentralization of energy,
clean air, an across the board reduction of the
more sun than wind.
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Steve wrote:
the point is, if you generate 1kw from solar, shouldn't you store 80%
in a
battery (ev) instead of 30% in a hydrogen tank (fuel cell ev)?
That should be kilowatt-hours, rather than kilowatts, since we're
talking energy rather than power.
1. You'd be darned lucky to actually store
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Ethanol lobby hopes to lock in huge new market
USA: July 13, 2001
WASHINGTON - Mention ethanol in Washington these days and political
power brokers take notice.
President George W. Bush praises the renewable fuel made from
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US lawmaker pulls plan to raise fuel standards
USA: July 13, 2001
WASHINGTON - Efforts on Capitol Hill to boost US fuel vehicle
standards were put on hold yesterday, as Democratic Rep. Edward
Markey of Massachusetts pulled
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snip
Petroleum may be pure unobtanium if there is a war in middle East.
What do you mean IF? :-
Joe
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Not enough lead in the world to give everyone a battery bank. snip
*Not all batteries are lead acid. Joe
http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/lead/
This man, whom I've met 23 years ago, has enmassed the greatest historical
evidence concerning dupont, standard oil general motors collusion to
develop tetraethyl lead vs: ethanol as an antiknock agent. His writings
are worth reading.
--Mark
Biofuel at
http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/lead/
This man, whom I've met 23 years ago, has enmassed the greatest historical
evidence concerning dupont, standard oil general motors collusion to
develop tetraethyl lead vs: ethanol as an antiknock agent. His writings
are worth reading.
--Mark
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