RE: [biofuel] Picking up my first load of used cooking oil

2004-05-20 Thread Richard U
First, you can get some nice plastic buckets by doing a bit of 'dumpster-diving' behind supermarkets with bakeries. You might want to take a stick with a bent nail to fish them out. (sometimes some tasty frosting or fruit filling left-overs...yumm). There are nice 2 gallon ones there also that

RE: [biofuel] Picking up my first load of used cooking oil

2004-05-20 Thread Richard U
First, you can get some nice plastic buckets by doing a bit of 'dumpster-diving' behind supermarkets with bakeries. You might want to take a stick with a bent nail to fish them out. (sometimes some tasty frosting or fruit filling left-overs...yumm). There are nice 2 gallon ones there also that

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Equipment Class, berkeley, Ca, May 30

2004-05-20 Thread Derek Sceats
[Edited to remove html code.] Could you please outline the contents of the 80-page biodiesel homebrewing guidebook? Thanks! Derek = Homebrew Biodiesel Equipment Building and Design Class May 30, 12-6 Berkeley CA email me for

Re: [biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Malcolm Interesting views aired, and valid too. But no nation is without guilt at some point in its history, in its treatment of its own nationals and those of other nations, past or present. The universal word that applies to us all, whatever nationality, is greed. As soon as we all

[biofuel] Re: Items of information - was Fw: Your last e-mail

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Art Thankyou, Stuart should not have taken it offlist, especially after I asked that it stay onlist as several people were interested. I'm glad to see it return. It needs the preceding bit though, that was onlist, so I've added it at the end. Thanks again Best wishes Keith Addison

Re: [biofuel] Thanks!

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Dear Mohamed And my thanks to you, so much, for saying so, but I must protest that credit would be due to the whole list, not just to me. But many thanks all the same, and I'm glad we've been of use to you. Loughborough... It's a long time since I was there. The town, not the university.

Re: [biofuel] Diesel VWs: High Mileage Vehicles, Well Kept Secrets?

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hakan, MM MM, You asked about VW, Europe and biodiesel. In Europe the VW diesels are certified for RME fuel (biodiesel). The are clearly stating that in the specifications. RME = Rapeseed Methyl Esters. They don't like soy biodiesel. It's been thought that this is more political than anything

Re: [biofuel] Another first batch question

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ryan Yesterday when I made my first biodiesel I used a cheap GE blender. I know that Josh Tickrell says in his book to shut off the blender if the motor and or mixing chamber gets excessively hot. Mine did get hot, but I don't know what he means by excessively hot. It certainly wasn't

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Powered Chainsaw

2004-05-20 Thread Lyle Estill
Tom, Remarkable. Thank you so much for pushing the edge of the envelope. I may share your vision of the grease economy, but lacking imagination I have simply abandoned mowing, and weed eating. I now use a swingblade, and machetes, but my chainsaws are still on fossil. My hat is off to you.

Re: [biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war

2004-05-20 Thread MALCOLM MACLURE
Dear Kieth, thanks for the warm welcome back, good to be back! I read the links you sent - fine, eloquent words. I think I must have become synical about certain aspects of life, especially here in the UK. We have a massive drugs problem brewing here, and with that an increase in related

[biofuel] wood gas

2004-05-20 Thread kirkmcloren
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Re: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure

2004-05-20 Thread Appal Energy
Matt, Mist and bubble washing are methods that were developed to prevent or reduce the formation of emulsions. The biggest problem is that the emulsions shouldn't occur in properly prepared fuel, meaning that rather than solving the problems of incomplete reactions, their inventors chose to try

[biofuel] deacidifying WVO

2004-05-20 Thread cholla51
I do not seem to have enough information on this process: 9.6 g NaOH + 9.6 ml WVO, mix and add it to 40 ml water/liter of WVO, then add this to how many liters of WVO after soaps have been removed? I have been making 55 gallon batches succesfully until the big glop monster sucked up my brain.

Re: [biofuel] Re: Washing methods/Pressure

2004-05-20 Thread mohamed hassan
hi all this is the method i use in my lab 1- evaporate off the methanol by gentle heating mainly to quantify how much is in the bio diesel and to attempt to recycle it 2 neutralise the biodiesel with HCL of a known morality mainly to quantify the alkalinity of the titration 3- wash with water

[biofuel] building a biodiesel fuel processor

2004-05-20 Thread ardis streeter
Hi all,, I have been working on a fuel processor now for some time. I have the methoxide tank done,it is all stainless steel construction.Now I am building the reaction tank also stainless. It will have a heating coil in it, that is connected to my wood boiler to heat the used veg. oil up for

Re: [biofuel] wood gas

2004-05-20 Thread mark schofield
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[biofuel] Tuthill-Kinney Vacuum system - 3.1L per second methanol recovery

2004-05-20 Thread mark schofield
Hi I have a now excess 300 BHP 180m3 per minute Tuthill-Kinney liquid ring-mechanical booster vacuum system that is being refurbed such that methanol can be used as the liquid ring seal. Its equipped with heat exchangers, level control etc. Any one interested? Mark, UK

Re: [biofuel] Syngas to methanol

2004-05-20 Thread mark schofield
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RE: [biofuel] Hard to describe the feeling

2004-05-20 Thread Mark McElvy
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Re: [biofuel] Re: biodiesel in Nevada City / Grass Valley CA

2004-05-20 Thread Matt Golden
Cool... let me know what you find out please. use my real email... [EMAIL PROTECTED] I miss emails on hotmail alot. Thanks. Matt - Original Message - From: TJ Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: biodiesel

[biofuel] Making bio on the cheap

2004-05-20 Thread mkitchin6548
Hello all, Thought I'd add my 2 cents worth. Been making our own fuel for about a year and a half. Here's our story. I made my own processor out of a 55 ga metal drum. (People will GIVE these to you or you can buy them cheaply) Used the removable lid as the botton and cut out half of the old

RE: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure

2004-05-20 Thread Pool, Ryan
Preventing the poor reaction that allows the emulsion to form in the first place sounds like the real goal. Does Aleks Kac's Foolproof method create fuel that can withstand mechanical agitation during the wash phase? If not, what method does? Thanks, Ryan -Original Message- From:

Re: [biofuel] Weird Gummy Stuff

2004-05-20 Thread Appal Energy
When I went to add the second batch, there was this weird gummy stuff floating on top. It looked like tofu curds, or congealed something. Soap. Don't use a blender to mix your lye. You'll destroy the blender relative to future food uses. Worse still, the top could pop off while mixing,

[biofuel] European Biofuel Issues

2004-05-20 Thread murdoch
Thanks NTSL and Craig and bwelch. Looks like some comments worth discussing. I'm passing on Craig's comments especially to Keith Addison's biofuels list, which is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ as there may be some further hashing out of this information there. The more we

[biofuel] Energy Star Ratings and cars and Trucks?

2004-05-20 Thread murdoch
I am spending some time today researching energy star rated appliances at www.Energystar.gov It is quite fun to see the efforts being made or apparently being made by some manufacturers to allow some folks to buy appliances which will assist them in their financial and environmental conservation

[biofuel] (fwd) Saving time at the gas pump with a hybrid

2004-05-20 Thread murdoch
I particularly like this one. We consumers so seldom have anyone make an effort to put a value on our time. And isn't our time important to us? And so much has been made over the years over the issue of lengthy recharge times for EVs. With fast-charging those EV fueling times are coming

[biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology

2004-05-20 Thread murdoch
According to this study's methodology, fuel efficiency is important, though obviously not the only factor. The top 5 cars include an assortment of approaches, including the Hybrid Prius, the Non-Hybrid Civic and the VW TDI. http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/18/pf/autos/efficient_cost_to_own/ The

Re: [biofuel] Energy Star Ratings and cars and Trucks?

2004-05-20 Thread Lyle Estill
It's a good point. I've been investigating Energy Star ratings for buildings. Why not vehicles? On May 20, 2004, at 12:39 PM, murdoch wrote: I am spending some time today researching energy star rated appliances at www.Energystar.gov It is quite fun to see the efforts being made or

[biofuel] The Vegan Car: Greasel, not diesel...

2004-05-20 Thread murdoch
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/laweekly/20040514/lo_laweekly/53474 Fri May 14, 7:49 PM ET Add Local - Los Angeles Weekly to My Yahoo! By Joshuah Bearman LA Weekly Writer A sticker on the blue Dodge read: ask me about veggie power. The truck belonged to Joel Wolf, a rancher,

[biofuel] [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Pierre, and all This is all quite correct, but you and Balaji are looking at it from different viewpoints, you from that of the society that did the colonising, which should indeed be working on such self-examination, and he from that of a society that was colonised, which now has to

Re: [biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Dear Malcolm Dear Kieth, thanks for the warm welcome back, good to be back! :-) Good to have you. I read the links you sent - fine, eloquent words. I think I must have become synical about certain aspects of life, especially here in the UK. Well then let's see if we can cheer you up a

Re: [biofuel] deacidifying WVO

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
cholla51 wrote: I do not seem to have enough information on this process: 9.6 g NaOH + 9.6 ml WVO, mix and add it to 40 ml water/liter of WVO, then add this to how many liters of WVO after soaps have been removed? I have been making 55 gallon batches succesfully until the big glop monster

[biofuel] re: weird gummy stuff

2004-05-20 Thread Gundle, Noam
Keith, We did NOT end up with biodiesel. The consistancy is close to that of the original grease. I am unsure now what to do with the stuff. I think I didn't mix the lye/methanol enough and something reacted with the animal fat. I don't know. I did the same experiment with my 6th period

[biofuel] Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-20 Thread look4bryan
I received a message from that email address. The email contains an attachment. Being the suspicious type, I expect it's an attempt to infect me with a virus, since I have not yet unsubscribed from this list. Anyone else seen such emails? Bryan Yahoo! Groups

Re: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure

2004-05-20 Thread Appal Energy
Yes Ryan, As do all methods if they are conducted properly. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Pool, Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure Preventing the poor reaction that

Re: [biofuel] building a biodiesel fuel processor

2004-05-20 Thread Martin Klingensmith
ardis streeter wrote: Hi all,, I have been working on a fuel processor now for some time. I have the methoxide tank done,it is all stainless steel construction.Now I am building the reaction tank also stainless. It will have a heating coil in it, that is connected to my wood boiler to

RE: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ryan Preventing the poor reaction that allows the emulsion to form in the first place sounds like the real goal. That's quite right. Does Aleks Kac's Foolproof method create fuel that can withstand mechanical agitation during the wash phase? If not, what method does? Both do, when done

Re: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology

2004-05-20 Thread Martin Klingensmith
murdoch wrote: According to this study's methodology, fuel efficiency is important, though obviously not the only factor. The top 5 cars include an assortment of approaches, including the Hybrid Prius, the Non-Hybrid Civic and the VW TDI.

RE: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study 's methodology

2004-05-20 Thread Robert Stauder
Martin, Is this a diesel or something else - a non-USA model? The cavalier, according to yahoo autos, achieves 27-37 mpg. http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/chevrolet_cavalier_2005/3916/model_overview.h tml -Original Message- From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [biofuel] European Biofuel Issues

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Thankyou MM and all Thanks NTSL and Craig and bwelch. Looks like some comments worth discussing. I'm passing on Craig's comments especially to Keith Addison's biofuels list, which is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ as there may be some further hashing out of this information

Re: [biofuel] Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
I received a message from that email address. The email contains an attachment. Being the suspicious type, I expect it's an attempt to infect me with a virus, since I have not yet unsubscribed from this list. Anyone else seen such emails? Bryan False sender's address, can't be helped.

Re: [biofuel] Syngas to methanol

2004-05-20 Thread Walt Patrick
At 02:42 PM 5/20/04 +0100, you wrote: Walt Have you looked at polyethene to ethanol reactors? Mark Nope. Tell us more :-) Walt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up

[biofuel] crossposting?

2004-05-20 Thread murdoch
CAFE standards worse now than 15 years ago, etc etc etc. It would be hard to find a better case for illustrating that all the wrong people are calling all the wrong tunes for all the wrong reasons. The more we all use the net to stay in touch with each other, the more transparent we can make

Re: [biofuel] Diesel VWs: High Mileage Vehicles, Well Kept Secrets?

2004-05-20 Thread Bruce Colley
Alexander Noack of Elsbett made the same statement to me regarding the lubricating oil contamination problems when using soybean SVO. (We were discussing only SVO so I am not sure if he also meant to imply soybean based Biodiesel as well.) I did some research on the lubrication oil

Re: [biofuel] crossposting?

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM CAFE standards worse now than 15 years ago, etc etc etc. It would be hard to find a better case for illustrating that all the wrong people are calling all the wrong tunes for all the wrong reasons. The more we all use the net to stay in touch with each other, the more transparent we

Re: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology

2004-05-20 Thread Appal Energy
Martin, Yah, well nothing should surprise you when you compare the prices in that list vs MSRP. $33 - $34 thousand for a Golf? Try $18,275 - $19,300 for a 2004, GL, TDI, 1.9 liter, Turbodiesel. I guess if they can escalate the value by 80% for their little list, they can manipulate anything

[biofuel] re: weird gummy stuff

2004-05-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Noam Keith, We did NOT end up with biodiesel. The consistancy is close to that of the original grease. I am unsure now what to do with the stuff. I think I didn't mix the lye/methanol enough and something reacted with the animal fat. What animal fat? Was this virgin oil or used oil?