RE: [Biofuel] Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Hakan Falk
Joey, Biofuel? How did you get to this issue. LOL Do you belong to this group of people that regularly visit energy lists and try to provoke a nuke discussion? I have stopped from a participating in a few lists because of this group, which seems to be roughly the same people all the time.

Re: [Biofuel] Taking to the Wind

2005-07-13 Thread Appal Energy
The Altamont Pass towers are of the lattice type, providing endless attraction to birds for resting and nesting. Power companies are hoping to not have to replace the towers with monocoques until the turbines reach the end of their life cycle. Essentially what is being found is that wind power

Re: [Biofuel] Taking to the Wind

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Redler
Todd is absolutely right. The really frustrating part is that the same argument is being made byopponents of wind power,to shoot down the Nantucket sound project -- a totally useless argument because as Todd mentioned, the lesson of lattice type towers has long since been learned. So, theyare

Re: [Biofuel] Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Appal Energy
Just because something may be doable doesn't mean that it's feasible, whether that feasibility is higher ratios of waste, expanded dispersal of radioactivity, increased economic cost, increased energy cost, etc., etc., etc. Even if all things are equal in comparison to traditional refining,

Re: [Biofuel] Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread RobertCVA
Excellent points Hakan. Plenty of other places to discuss nuclear. Whatever role nuclear has or doesn't have in the future, biofuels will have a critical role in meeting our future energy needs. I agree, natural tie ins are OK (e.g., wind power sited on biofuel fields), but let's avoid the

Re: [Biofuel] Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread John Hayes
a) It's not a board. It's a mailing list. b) List rules state that calls to limit topic discussion are explicitly forbidden. Or in the words of our fearless list owner: No Topic Cops. c) It isn't your place to decide what the purpose of this board is. Learn to use your delete key; if you

Re: [Biofuel] Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread RobertCVA
jh, "Deciding" wasn't what I had in mind, nor was I trying to be a "Cop." As parties interested in biofuels and interested in keeping this site dynamic, I think we all exercise some self-restraint in what we post here.My caution, along the lines of Hakan I believe, is that, as a practical

Re: [Biofuel] Limiting coffee breaks. was: Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Hakan Falk
JH, I have not tried to prohibit a nuke discussions, anyone who want to discuss with the nuke gang is welcome to do so. I have the right to limit my participation in any discussion and also to express that. If I take the opportunity to take a pause and a coffee, or whatever, it is my right

[Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Redler
Hi everyone, I know we've already discussed the variety of oil producing seeds and related processes for extraction. My conclusion has been that I don't have enough land or time to process my own diesel fuel for the quantities that I need. However after researching the performance and

[Biofuel] start up questions

2005-07-13 Thread JEFF IHDE
I built a new system that will process 40 gallon batches. I started with some test batches. Everything came out fine. The first 20 gallon batch also separated just as it should. I have since completed washing this fuel and made my second batch at 40 gallons. On the second batch a few

RE: [Biofuel] Taking to the Wind

2005-07-13 Thread James G. Branaum
Mike, I have yet to see the group that does not thrive on misinformation used to support their agenda, so there is no reason to limit the charge to government or conservatives.  Besides, most birds are smart enough to fly around objects and stay out of the way of other flying objects. 

Re: [Biofuel] Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Bob, Hakan Excellent points Hakan. Plenty of other places to discuss nuclear. Whatever role nuclear has or doesn't have in the future, biofuels will have a critical role in meeting our future energy needs. I agree, natural tie ins are OK (e.g., wind power sited on biofuel fields),

Re: [Biofuel] Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Todd, Joey Just because something may be doable doesn't mean that it's feasible, whether that feasibility is higher ratios of waste, expanded dispersal of radioactivity, increased economic cost, increased energy cost, etc., etc., etc. Even if all things are equal in comparison to

Re: [Biofuel] Limiting coffee breaks. was: Deconstructing theNuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Chris
It was however a quite pathetic invitation and without any previous logic, "Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths". WOW Hakan, that was Keith's subject he wrote, not anyone else. Keith was the person, if I'm not mistaken, who posted the original article that started this entire discussion.

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread bob allen
Howdy Mike, why not used vegetable oil? Even small burger joints generate 10 or so gal a week. Around my parts the small operators have to pay to have the stuff hauled off, so they are more than willing to give it to me for free. Michael Redler wrote: Hi everyone, I know we've already

[Biofuel] Homes and energy

2005-07-13 Thread RobertCVA
I thought the article below, from today's Washington Post, might be of interest to others on this list. Along with oversized houses, it's my experience that the houses are, as well,being placed on largerlots, which, for practical purposes, takes that land out of circulation for biofuel crop

Re: [Biofuel] Limiting coffee breaks. was: Deconstructing theNuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Chris It was however a quite pathetic invitation and without any previous logic, Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths. WOW Hakan, that was Keith's subject he wrote, not anyone else. Keith was the person, if I'm not mistaken, who posted the original article that started this entire

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-13 Thread Keith Addison
Further to which... The Horror In London When we kill them in droves, some of them will strike back. By Eric Margolis We are horrified that anyone would attack innocent civilians packed in subway cars. But the extremists and fanatics who do so say they are exacting revenge for the 500,000

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Redler
Bob, I don't disagree that there is an abundance of waste vegetable oil out there. My curiosity in making it from scratch, comes from the same ideology that drives me to join this forum. Although I'm sure that I'll eventually be tapping into this source, I'm not convinced of it's

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread r
Try "diesel motorcycle" on Google. I got a few hits when I tried it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I don't disagree that there is an abundance of waste vegetable oil out there. My curiosity in making it from scratch, comes from the same ideology that drives me to join this

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread bob allen
Michael Redler wrote: Bob, I don't disagree that there is an abundance of waste vegetable oil out there. My curiosity in making it from scratch, comes from the same ideology that drives me to join this forum. Although I'm sure that I'll eventually be tapping into this source, I'm not

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Redler
Kieth, Earlier, you mentioned how companies like Monsanto try to infiltrate groups like ours. In addition I'm sure that there are many emotionally driven and misguided individualslike Tim who are acting on their own. In the past, I've mentioned (rhetorically) that we have strength in

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread r
check out http://www.metaefficient.com/metaefficient/archives/news/efficient-diesel-motorcycle-created.html. A diesel-engined motorcycle that is said to do 150 MPG and potentially run biodiesel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try "diesel motorcycle" on Google. I got a few hits when I tried

RE: [Biofuel] Taking to the Wind

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Redler
Hi Jim, "I have yet to see the group that does not thrive on misinformation used to support their agenda" I'm hoping I just misunderstood when I read "I have yet to see...". You are a member of this group...aren't you? Mike "James G. Branaum" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I have yet to

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread r
Metaefficient's web page is in Dutch. Altavista's Babel Fish translation web page translates web pages between different languages, for free. Enter the url of the web page (www.startwin.com) which you want to translate from (in this case, Dutch) into the "Translate a web page" field, select

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread Appal Energy
Rebuilt VW long and short blocks. www.vwdieselparts.com Reasonable pricing. Fairly good service. Probably something similar to this somewhere at a theatre near you so you wouldn't have to pay a freight bill. Todd Swearingen bob allen wrote: Michael Redler wrote: Bob, I don't

Re: [Biofuel] Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Richard Littrell
Dear Hakan, I may be naive as I am fairly new to the list but it looks to me like the question grew out of a ISIS press release about nuclear power. As I am more interested in biofuels myself I'd hate to get into a long thing that would detract from that but I am curious as to the answer to

Re: [Biofuel] Limiting coffee breaks. was: Deconstructing theNuclear Power Myths

2005-07-13 Thread Mike Weaver
Valerie Plame did it, in Niger, with Yellowcake. Enuff already... Chris wrote: It was however a quite pathetic invitation and without any previous logic, Deconstructing the Nuclear Power Myths. WOW Hakan, that was Keith's subject he wrote, not anyone else. Keith was the person, if I'm not

Re: [Biofuel] start up questions

2005-07-13 Thread Mike Weaver
I doubt the water heater element failure was caused by using it in BD. Probably a fluke. I would not be surprised to find that Mox fumes set off the CM detector - you should have better ventilation. Dunno about Mr Funnel - would like to hear what you find... -Mike JEFF IHDE wrote: I

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel production and motorcycles

2005-07-13 Thread Matthew Hixson
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=diesel+motorcyclebtnG=Google +Search I also saw this one mentioned on another forum recently. http://tinyurl.com/b3ylx -M@ On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:21 PM, r wrote: Try diesel motorcycle on Google. I got a few hits when I tried it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel

2005-07-13 Thread John Wilson
Hi Mike, Extracting the oil from seed requires a process that is quite expensive. Harvest equipment you could probably contract out but unless you are somewhere where you can sell the cake or have livestock to feed the cake to an on site extractor I don't think would pay. Trucking the

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel

2005-07-13 Thread Ken Provost
on 7/13/05 4:20 PM, John Wilson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, Extracting the oil from seed requires a process that is quite expensive. Harvest equipment you could probably contract out but unless you are somewhere where you can sell the cake or have livestock to feed the cake to an

Re: [Biofuel] seeds on the brain - small scale diesel

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Redler
John, There is an article from Homepower magazine that gives detailed information on biodiesel production which includes oil extraction. I don't have enough experience to determine it's validity. But it seems to indicate that there is "table top" equipmentavailable for extracting the oil. I