Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Fred Finch
Hey Joe, Long winter in the Great White North, eh?fredOn 1/3/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I would like to know more. I have lots of ideas too, like peel and stick butter. Imagine a thin square of butter that fits perfectly on your bread on release paper. Just peel

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Hi Mike; I would like to know more. I have lots of ideas too, like peel and stick butter. Imagine a thin square of butter that fits perfectly on your bread on release paper. Just peel and stick. Ring shapes are for bagels. Or you know those moist towlettes they give you in a restaurant for

Re: [Biofuel] Modification of cars to use biodiesel and insurance

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Here's an angle to consider. Buy an older car for less money, do the work yourself and only cover yourself with liability insurance. If you have an accident you will have to pay but the car is an old beater which BTW means you have avoided all the negative issues associated with new cars

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Hi Todd; When you talk about thickness of layers, is this with the Dr. Pepper size container? Someone using a shallow wide container would have a much worse condition (with a 1mm layer) than someone using a tall narrow container no? Maybe when giving this type of information we should talk

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Yeah and it's always dark damnit! I need OLED's embedded in the fur on the hood of my parka. J Fred Finch wrote: Hey Joe, Long winter in the Great White North, eh? fred On 1/3/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I would like to know more. I have lots of

Re: [Biofuel] Better titration Question

2006-01-03 Thread John Hayes
Ken Provost wrote: On Jan 2, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Logan Vilas wrote: In the better Titration Method I find it's easier to mix my stock solution with 20grams in 500milliters distilled water. OK -- we now have 4% NaOH soln. That gives .4% w/v lye solution when 5ml is added to 45ml

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Michael Redler
"Anyone have any experience with this?"I went throught the patent process (US 6,897,423) and you're right, it's a big deal. No one should commit to it unless they are sure it's necessary. I also think you're right about owning IP without a patent.The"first to invent" system in the US is

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Heat and vacuum is pretty hard to beat for drying oil IMHO. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: Hi Lee, I've found it easier to switch to a better WVO source than to fiddle too much de-watering. That said, heat and time will work. Lee Eady, D.C. wrote: I am just getting started making

Re: [Biofuel] Better titration Question

2006-01-03 Thread bob allen
It seems to me that using a more concentrated titrant would increase error not reduce it. Better would be to use more of a less concentrated titrant with a higher volume of the solution to be titrated (other things being equal) John Hayes wrote: Ken Provost wrote: On Jan 2, 2006, at 3:33

Re: [Biofuel] Better titration Question

2006-01-03 Thread Ken Provost
On Jan 2, 2006, at 8:20 PM, Logan Vilas wrote: When using the better titration method I'm using 4ml oil and 40ml Isopropyl. Ah,ha! Well, I guess I should have read what the better titration method involved! Not sure why it's better, but clearly it will work. -K

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Appal Energy
Let's wake up here, at least for the moment Joe. Soda pop comes in multiple sized bottles, as do drums, tanks and buckets. Your problem isn't dependant upon whether or not your container was a 20 ounce, 1 liter or 2 liter jug. The thin interface layer of a completed reaction is the result of

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Huh??? I can buy that the interface layer for a completed reaction is related to the contact between water and fuel as you say, and is therefore dependent only on surface area of the interface, not volume of the reaction. Therefore it is a constant thickness regardless of volume or shape of the

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Appal Energy
Zeke, Your comments reiterate what was said, save for one area. Bad is a matter of subjective opininion. Whether the five centimeters is in a five-thousand gallon tank, five-hundred or five still indicates reaction incompletion. Five centimeters of emulsion in a spritz bottle indicates the

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Mike Weaver
No way, Redler. I'm on to you. You already stole my Biodiesel plans and sold them on Ebay. And what about my dehydrated water? You said you needed to see the plan before you invested and now I see Redler's Dehydrated Water - Just Add Water everywhere. You're not going to fool me again.

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Yes. You are right that we should strive for a complete reaction. I've been reading too much about oil drilling today -- many of the Saudi oil fields are yielding close to 50% water, which they have to separate and pump back down, but that's considered okay or normal in that industry (or at

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Hey! I thought of dehydrated water way back in the '70s but didn't develop it. I have prior art. J Mike Weaver wrote: No way, Redler. I'm on to you. You already stole my Biodiesel plans and sold them on Ebay. And what about my dehydrated water? You said you needed to see the plan

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Todd; With all due respect, I think you missed my point. I agree that we should strive for a paper thin interface, ( and I find it is easily achievable with experience) but when you put information out there like 1mm is ok and 5 mm is relatively incomplete it is meaningless unless you give

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Fred Finch
I saw dehydrated water for sale at the BWCA outfitters in the mid-1970's. It was in cans with specific instructions on how to use it. It sat on the shelf along with all the other dehydrated food stores.Been developed!! fredOn 1/3/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! I thought

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, As far as I know, the first to publish, is valid in most countries and overrides any patent. If you can prove that you had the idea before a patent and published it, it is in the public domain, regardless if anyone managed to patent the idea afterwards. That is why it is a copyright

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Mike Weaver
Yeah, some of my friends with patents spend as much time in court as in the lab! Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, As far as I know, the first to publish, is valid in most countries and overrides any patent. If you can prove that you had the idea before a patent and published it, it is in the public

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Mike Weaver
What do they pack styrofoam in when they ship it? Fred Finch wrote: I saw dehydrated water for sale at the BWCA outfitters in the mid-1970's. It was in cans with specific instructions on how to use it. It sat on the shelf along with all the other dehydrated food stores. Been developed!!

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
They ship it as little beads of styrene plastic and then they blow them up. But I got a better question for you? What is the speed of dark? And I got more where that came from Mike Weaver wrote: What do they pack styrofoam in when they ship it? Fred Finch wrote: I saw

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative way of producing bd (using electric)

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Hi Bob; The etherified glycerine is supposed to be 1,2,3-Propanoate, whatever that is, I can not find much data on it. Joe bob allen wrote: Without knowing more about the chemical composition of the product mix, it is difficult to say much about the physical properties. Application of

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Michael Redler
"As far as I know, the first to publish, is valid in most countries and overrides any patent. If you can prove that you had the idea before a patent and published it, it is in the public domain, regardless if anyone managed to patent the idea afterwards."I disagree. There is a clear

[Biofuel] Used Equpment Outlet

2006-01-03 Thread Appal Energy
For those interested in larger biodiesel and other production equipment. http://www.exllc.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative way of producing bd (using electric)

2006-01-03 Thread bob allen
Howdy Joe, That name, 1,2,3-Propanoate, is wrong. It is named as if it were an ester, but can't mean anything to a chemist unless it is someones pet common name. It doesn't conform to the IUPAC nomenclature. If you etherify glycerin with methanol, you get a tri-ether,

[Biofuel] Dictatorship..., The half-life stage of democracy in decay

2006-01-03 Thread Appal Energy
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060109/schell The Hidden State Steps Forward Jonathan Schell When the /New York Times/ revealed that George W. Bush had ordered the National Security Agency to wiretap the foreign calls of American citizens without seeking court permission, as is indisputably

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Michael Redler
I got nothin' to say to you Weaver. If you want anything more outa me, your gonna have to beat it out.Uh, wait. You might be bigger than me. Never mind.Anyway, that wasn't me. The only thing Ihad on ebaywasmy invention"device for pushing cooked spaghetti up a wild cat's ass and method".

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Darryl West
I have found this an interesting discussion, which has left me a little more confused about what I need to do. I am gathering the take home message from my original question is that the Dr Peppers technique might not be the best one and that I need to look more at my over all process to

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Appal Energy
With all due respect Joe, nothing was missed in the slightest. But if you wish to beat a dead horse, by all means feel free to do so. The preference here is not to adhere to fall back positions of acceptability until absolutely necessary. (After all, people are burning straight veg oil. A few

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Mike Weaver
I hear ya, Redler. I don't wanna brag, but I worked my way through collige kollege calleg (school) as a mover, so look out. I might break in and rearrange your furniture. I know it was you - I could tell by your Ebay name: michaelredlerscheapbiodieselrecipes. We know why you're here.

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Mike Weaver
Uh oh. Joe Street wrote: They ship it as little beads of styrene plastic and then they blow them up. But I got a better question for you? What is the speed of dark? And I got more where that came from Mike Weaver wrote: What do they pack styrofoam in when they ship it? Fred Finch

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Mike Weaver
Redler, where is my peel 'n stick butter? I sent my Paypal to the Bank of Nigeria like you said... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Derick Giorchino
Dont fool around. This already exists. Or you know those moist towlettes they give you in a restaurant for cleaning your fingers after gorging yourself on hot wings? How about a moist towlette with suscreen in it for the beach rather than carrying around a whole bottle? From:

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-03 Thread Derick Giorchino
They might now be dead. But what the hell there are lots of others to keep the doors open. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:05 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water

[Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-03 Thread David Marquis
Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel

Re: [Biofuel] Modification of cars to use biodiesel and insurance *#

2006-01-03 Thread Tim Hadland
Wendell Makes sense not to depend on other countries to fuel our navy! I know that the fuel the British ministry of defence uses is fossil derived. Cheers Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-03 Thread Dr. Lee Eady
Is the settling drum you use the cone bottom or is it flat bottom? What do you use to heat the oil? From: "Derick Giorchino" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVODate: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:32:23 -0800

[Biofuel] It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the end for BD?

2006-01-03 Thread Mike Weaver
Gov Arnold signed into law in Sept 05 a waste collection law AB1065, that had no minimum use exemption and classified all restaurant waste as waste grease. There are several of us in California that have developed a letter that we have sent to our legislators and the author asking for an

[Biofuel] More on California - It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the end for BD?

2006-01-03 Thread Mike Weaver
http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2080 Mike Weaver wrote: Gov Arnold signed into law in Sept 05 a waste collection law AB1065, that had no minimum use exemption and classified all restaurant waste as waste grease. There are several of us in California that have developed a letter

Re: [Biofuel] More on California - It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the end for BD?

2006-01-03 Thread Derick Giorchino
Yup I reside in Sacramento this would be good info. To hell with the governor. Did he not here his buddy in D.C. say we need to work on alternate fuel. We the people are doing what the government wont or cant and now we are going to become criminals. I guess if that's the worst thing I do I will

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-03 Thread Derick Giorchino
Just an old oil drum flat bottom. I used a 4x4 stuck it in the drum center and with the help of a hydraulic jack pushed the center down 1 or 2 . I use an emersion heater. All the containers I have in my process are equipped with heaters and thermostats. Even the wash tank for winter

Re: [Biofuel] It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the endfor BD?

2006-01-03 Thread francisco j burgos
Dear Mr. Mike Weaver: In South America we have been told that USA is the land of free enterprise and the land of opportunities and that all citizens are equal before the law... that is the reason that so many mexicans and southamericans emigrate to USA!!!. I can hardly beleave that citizen

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2006-01-03 Thread Fred Finch
Great, my kepgoasrd is not foppded and with beer and onot yoding too well tyopping. I hate it when br guwes theroyugh my nopse and on the koppueboard.tiu gys need to sptop ehis at omce and reyt back to bipdoesal@@ vewdOn 1/3/06, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-03 Thread JJJN
Well lets see, from what I observe there are a lot of baby boomers that have been eating that way if they switch to prunes as a last ditch effort to get their plumbing working again growing plums may be the business to be in in the next 10 years?? ( along with Morticians) Derick Giorchino

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-03 Thread JJJN
Welcome David, see below. David Marquis wrote: Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or

Re: [Biofuel] It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the end for BD?

2006-01-03 Thread JJJN
Bush lays off renewable, Arnold ties up Californios with red tape, Congress give big oil tax breaks out the )[EMAIL PROTECTED] Paying back big Oil must be high on the Republican agenda, Another helicopter went down today with an American boy far far from home.. Happy New Year King George

[Biofuel] The Failures of Post-9/11 Media

2006-01-03 Thread Keith Addison
Note that a big fuss is made of Knight-Ridder's post 9/11 reporting, quite rightly among the US media, they were about the only people who were doing any reporting, everyone else was being a White House conveyer belt. But it's the wrong comparison, IMO - Knight-Ridder was quite mediocre

Re: [Biofuel] It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the endfor BD?

2006-01-03 Thread Logan Vilas
I am not sure about California, but in Louisiana the DEQ considers Waste Vegetable Oil a solid waste. Their definition of solid waste is trash and other discarded materials that is not hazardous. The key word is discarded. If I am purchasing the oil then it is not discarded it is sold. It is an

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2006-01-03 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Todd, Ken Oops, sorry for the late response, I haven't been around the last few days, no emailing. Belatedly, thanks very much! The FFA recovery equation requires excess acid to achieve the glycerol separation. The overwhelming majority of the excess should reside in the recovered

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Darryl I have found this an interesting discussion, which has left me a little more confused about what I need to do. I am gathering the take home message from my original question is that the Dr Peppers technique might not be the best one :-) You win a coconut. All discussed before,