Re: [Biofuel] Diesel heating

2006-03-28 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Charles Hi all I am currently beginning processing WVO into biodiesel to use in my home heating. I have a furnace designed specifically for diesel fuel and I would like to know if anyone has any experience of using biodiesel in such a furnace and if there are any problems they've come

[Biofuel] A green question(s)...

2006-03-28 Thread Daniel Madar
Hi all,First of all, a bigTHANX for all the people in Journey to Forever for sharing their knowledge and experience with the rest of us! I'm a beginner in the biodiesel world (a few months only), and I have some questions... I've tried to find answers in the archives, but hadn't found any.

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-28 Thread Keith Addison
Keith, now the whole thing again but this time w/ MLA citations, plz. J/k, of course. For the Foreign Affairs piece? Sorry, you'll have to take that up with them. If you want to discuss the content maybe I'd do that, might not find the time though, it's few right now. Best Keith

Re: [Biofuel] A Carbon Cloud Hangs Over Green Fuel

2006-03-28 Thread Tom Irwin
Hey Jerry Perkins and All, That is a really lame attempt to frame the issue for your lobby. I could care less if coal is renewable or not. (and yes, I´m aware that the U.S. sits on 500 years worth of the stuff) The problems with coal are the polluting sulfur, poisonousmercury and glacier

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Bob and all, I think it's in a lot of water supplies. But I have a couple of questions for you that have bothered me for sometime.. How does an oxygen starved kerosene fire melt structural steel? Could such a fire really cause temperature hardened rivits to fail? and so many

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread Jack Schwartz
Bob Allen writes: Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? No. Being a resident of the Salt Lake region at the time (I lived in Southwest Wyoming), I followed this one closely. Jones at Brigham Young University (BYU)

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread Jack Schwartz
Sorry, folks, for the doubled excerpt quotation. red faced I wrote: [Excerpt from Answers.com] In the mid 1980s, Jones . In the mid 1980s, Jones . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread Appal Energy
Is there something in the water in Utah? Probably no more so than in your fair county. One should presume that you have a different perspective on how WTC7 collapsed in the absence of all but minimal fire and no impact? Spontaneous conflagration perhaps? Which is probably a pretty accurate

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread bob allen
Howdy Tom, I'm no expert but one feature of the towers was rather large unbaffled elevator shafts. get a fire going and you have a considerable chimney effect, also what other materials from the planes and or structures themselves could have contributed to the flame temperature- magnesium for

[Biofuel] Time Magazine - Special Report on Global Warming

2006-03-28 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Okay, I normally don't read Time magazine, but they are publishing a Special Report on Global Warming. I know it's boiled down, but it is also very mainstream. Are we soon going to have a critical mass of people realize that we are on the downslope? Oh yeah, probably not...Hooray America!

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread Jack Schwartz
Original query from Bob Allen: Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? Response from Todd Swearingen: Two separate teams working towards different goals, although the mediums were largely similar. They shared some data but essentially worked

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Weaver
Ahh...yes, Georgia. Meth capital of the South. I bet you live on Peachtree Rd. Join the vol. fire dept. half of them will cops. Tell 'em you do BD because you don't want none o yer money going to them A-rabs. You'll be fine. Gregg Davidson wrote: Polk County, Georgia. It's in the NW

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Darryl McMahon
Let's remember that the issue is not whether or not nature produces greenhouse gases - we know it does. IMO, the issue is whether or not the balance that has existed for many thousands of years and made the planet's surface sufficiently hospitable and stable for our species is shifting to our

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Weaver
best line from thread: Many in Europe and you Brits probably think we Americans complain too much about our relatively low fuel tax. However, the Brits and Europeans get health care and a social safety net in the bargain... We get an unwinable war. Keith Addison wrote: Hello Andrew It's

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel heating

2006-03-28 Thread Thomas Kelly
Charles, I've been burning approx 30% biodiesel: 70% home heating oil this past heating season. The only problems I've experienced are to be expected : Change line filter element and nozzle due to the cleansing action of BD on an old tank and fuel line. Learn how to do this yourself and

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread Paul S Cantrell
I can hear Waylon now...Just two good old boys, never meanin' no harm...Beats all you never saw, been in trouble with the lawSince the day they was born.Straightenin' the curves, flattenin' the hills... Someday the mountain might get 'em but the law never will.Makin' their way, the only way they

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Weaver
Wrong. *God gave Man dominion over all the earth.* *Genesis 1:26* Then God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and */let them rule/* over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread Chris Lloyd
Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with Fleischmann and Pons in the cold fusion fiasco? If Cold Fusion is such a fiasco why has £400 million been spent on buying up C.P. patents. Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread Paul S Cantrell
YEEE-HAW!Kinda makes you wonder how many vehicles run on moonshine ethanol in rural areas under the radar.On 3/28/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:A '66 Charger running on ethanol?Paul S Cantrell wrote: I can hear Waylon now... Just two good old boys, never meanin' no harm... Beats

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread robert luis rabello
Mike Weaver wrote: Wrong. Right. *God gave Man dominion over all the earth.* The implication is one of stewardship. Man was supposed to work the earth and care for it. *Genesis 1:26* Then God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and */let them rule/*

Re: [Biofuel] How To Steal an Election

2006-03-28 Thread Darryl McMahon
Seems to me there are a few levels to the practice. First, establishing the mechanics to pull off the theft initially. This appears to be well in hand courtesy of the voting machines produced by Diebold, ESS and Sequoia (and possibly others). Incredibly, Diebold can make an automated teller

Re: [Biofuel] How To Steal an Election

2006-03-28 Thread Chip Mefford
Darryl McMahon wrote: Seems to me there are a few levels to the practice. First, establishing the mechanics to pull off the theft initially. SNIP but can't figure out how to provide even a semblance of this ability in a voting machine. Anyone else find this odd? Nope. Ballot receipts

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel heating

2006-03-28 Thread RicAlls
congradulations and good luck with your heating aspirations. i am just starting to learn to process WVO with the same intention in mind to heat the house. when i made my first batch of BD with virgin oil i burned it through a 35,000 btu space heater with no problems at all. i am hoping that i will

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Weaver
Sorry, dude. You lost me at the reading part. robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Wrong. Right. *God gave Man dominion over all the earth.* The implication is one of stewardship. Man was supposed to work the earth and care for it. *Genesis

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread Andrew Netherton
Don't you remember the episode where Uncle Jesse actually made up a batch of moonshine to run in a car? He had to outrun Roscoe and use up all the fuel so he wouldn't get caught and go to jail! Of course, it wasn't the General Lee that they were burning it in. Anyone else remember that episode?

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Chip Mefford
Mike Weaver wrote: Wrong. *God gave Man dominion over all the earth.* *Genesis 1:26* Then God said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and */let them rule/* over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread David Miller
Andrew Netherton wrote: Don't you remember the episode where Uncle Jesse actually made up a batch of moonshine to run in a car? He had to outrun Roscoe and use up all the fuel so he wouldn't get caught and go to jail! Of course, it wasn't the General Lee that they were burning it in.

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

2006-03-28 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: A Natural History of Peace By Robert M. Sapolsky From Foreign Affairs, January/February 2006 What an interesting article! Thanks, Keith! It appears that what we need is a selective bottleneck to eliminate the knuckle draggers from among us and

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread robert luis rabello
Mike Weaver wrote: Sorry, dude. You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right. You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend. Wanna come up and hear me talk about environmental stewardship? robert luis rabello

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Weaver
I go to one of those drive-through churches. robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Sorry, dude. You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right. You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend. Wanna come

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Mike, I didn't know you were a Scientologist! Wink wink nudge nudge...I'd never accuse my worst enemy of that!I prefer online church: http://churchoffools.com On 3/28/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to one of those drive-through churches.robert luis rabello wrote:Mike Weaver

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Fred Finch
Is that the same as one of those drive through liquor stores?On 3/28/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to one of those drive-through churches.robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote:Sorry, dude.You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right.You didn't hear it from the pulpit .

Re: [Biofuel] How To Steal an Election

2006-03-28 Thread Darryl McMahon
Chip Mefford wrote: Darryl McMahon wrote: Seems to me there are a few levels to the practice. First, establishing the mechanics to pull off the theft initially. SNIP but can't figure out how to provide even a semblance of this ability in a voting machine. Anyone else find this odd?

[Biofuel] Geothermal - Iceland to drill hole into a volcano

2006-03-28 Thread Kirk McLoren
BBC reports that Iceland will drill a hole into avolcano so it can tap heat from it, which eventually is hoped to produce commercially available energy. From the article: "Twenty years ago,geologist Gudmundur Omar Friedleifsson had a surprise when he lowered athermometer down a borehole. 'We

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Joe Street
Human activity is a part of the whole picture and it is ridiculous and academic to have a discussion otherwise. Further to the discussion of atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, ice crystal, and greenhouse gasses there is also the effect seldom mentioned of other aerosols. Sulfuric acid

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Weaver
That's where we get the wine Fred Finch wrote: Is that the same as one of those drive through liquor stores? On 3/28/06, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to one of those drive-through churches. robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread MARIA BURGER
I'm certainly no "expert" either, but I would presume that charges placed in the middle of the building would initiate structural collapse from the middle. Nothing says you have to put them at the bottom! Cheers! Chris - Original Message - From: bob allen To:

Re: [Biofuel] How To Steal an Election

2006-03-28 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, It appears that in some states at least, there will be a difference between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, NAIS. We are seeing opposition building and finally some candidate stepping forward that are oppose to NAIS. Tennessee has new legislation being propose to make NAIS illegal in

Re: [Biofuel] A green question(s)...

2006-03-28 Thread MARIA BURGER
Hi Daniel, Really you get good wash tests when you get a complete( or very close to complete) reaction. Despite all the warnings about using too much NaOH, I find its much easier to deal with a nice complete reaction that May have some excess lye than to deal with an incomplete reaction

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread Appal Energy
Preach it Brother Rabello! Can I hear an amen? Always wondered how so many Christians could shuck off environmental responsibility - as if right to life in the future is somehow different from right to life in the present. There are a few good beans and it's getting better. Just looking for a

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread Gregg Davidson
LOL! You may be right Paul! That type of alcohol may be more accessable. :)Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can hear Waylon now...Just two good old boys, never meanin' no harm...Beats all you never saw, been in trouble with the lawSince the day they was born.Straightenin' the curves,

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread Gregg Davidson
Hi Mike,Wrong answer Quiz Kid! LOL!!!I don't live in Atlanta. Rockmart is about an hour or so away, but I may have to agree with you about the Meth as that's what's caused all my woes. Unfortunately, I'm not able to join the local VFD because of some physical problems. GreggMike Weaver

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread Mike McGinness
Tom, I am not taking a position one way or the other on the BYU professor's accusations, but here are just a few thoughts regarding the comments below on the maximum temperature of the fire, and steel strength or melting steel: I was recently reading about some new infrared camera fire safety

Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com

2006-03-28 Thread Rexis Tree
Why is it so secret? Why not just tell everyone what is in this diesel addictive? This is another put-in-the-magic-potion-and-it-will-works thing. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11

2006-03-28 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, It is the same process that you have to deal with to get efficient stoves. It is actually three steps, the material, the coal and the gases and they have different burn temperatures, with the gases the highest. If all is burned, a wood stove will reach 70-80% efficiency, instead of

Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone

2006-03-28 Thread robert luis rabello
Appal Energy wrote: Preach it Brother Rabello! Grief! Even my sisters don't call me that! Always wondered how so many Christians could shuck off environmental responsibility - as if right to life in the future is somehow different from right to life in the present. I

[Biofuel] Speeding up the acid/base process

2006-03-28 Thread Bob Carr
Hi all, Time to report on my acid /base progress, and then ask for advice from more experienced list members. I have made several batches of very good Bd from all manner of feedstocks, by following Aleks Kac's foolproof process to the letter. But being the impetuous impatient man that I am, I