I have been mostly a lurker in this group but lost interest when it became a
political group rather than a DIY on biofuel. I like the content of the posts
but there is just too much to read. Anyhow I have a technical question.
Previously I had read disputes about whether biodiesel or SVO could
not
be obtained by traditional methods such as selective
breeding).
still, it is different, as you point out. enough so that
the big ag lawyers
(and the judges who side with them) have plenty of room
for legal parsing.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Ken Riznyk
ymailto=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
I doubt that this ruling applies to Big Ag. The genes Big Ag are using are not
found in nature but are manufactured using recombinant DNA technology. The
Myriad Genetics case is gene identification.
Ken
- Original Message
From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
I was browsing thru some of the old biofuel posts and saw this one and its
thread. Sorry but I couldn't resist putting in my own jaded comments.
The proper resolution of the problems is to do what Bolivia did. Get a loan
from the IMF to build a pipeline to the village. The IMF will require that
How is the methane produced in my backyard compost heap any better than the
methane produced in a landfill?
- Original Message
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:58:23 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Stop Trashing the
I've been reading in the press accounts of companies selling their waste oil
for up to $1.35 per gallon. Are people still able to get quantities of WVO that
they need at a reasonable price, if not for free?
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I was at a Penn State lecture on global warming. In the parking lot they had a
hybrid car. Biodiesel and electric. There was also a tank of hydrogen in the
trunk. The fellow there said that the hydrogen boosts the power of the
biodiesel. He didn't seem to know much. I asked if the hydrogen was
I don't see this as a major hurdle. The oil market demand is so strong and
diverse that if California stops buying oil from tar sands, someone else will
buy more. That is why all these hairbrained schemes you see on the internet to
boycot oil from Venezuela or BP or other some other bad guy of
I wouldn't worry too much about human mice escaping into the environment. The
first thing the mice would do would be to start a religion. Then the religion
would split into different sects and they would start fighting each other and
kill each other off.
Ken
- Original Message
From:
No it is pure bullshit. Check out http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp You can always check out lots of rumors at www.snopes2.com I get all kinds of email crap - almost all of it lies. Ollie North warned us about Osama Bin Laden, not true, liberals took the words "so help up God" off
Yer damn right you'd be assassinated. The military industrial complex earns
lots of money making baby killing cluster bombs, tomahawk missles, b1 bombers
and huge aircraft carriers. The contracts are spread around to all the states
so that each senator or representative and boast about how
I saw an interview with Madeleine Albright about a year ago, and this article
echoes essentially the same thing that she said. Sadly, I don't see anything
in the mainstream, so called liberally biased, media that outlines this
background. The only mention of this is when the Bush
Title: October 2006 Free Newsletter
I guess you can read what you want to read, but I went to the CDC website and they say that infleunza is responsible for an average of 36,000 deaths and 114,000 hospitalizations each year. Where does this woman get her information?It's comforting to know that it
Here's an interesting article about grass fuel. It also says they are working on a way to turn the grass into pellets.Grass touted as biofuel, cash crop
By Gary Pang
(Bloomsburg) Press Enterprise
BLOOMSBURG -- The native grasses growing in the area's barren farm
fields may be heating
by a patented
GMO (and necessarily destroyed) if there should be
patent protection for life forms.
BR
Peter G.
Thailand
--- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about people who develop new varieties the old
fashioned way through selective breeding. Granted
some advances are not to our
be no
shortage of improved plants.
If we cannot agree on this list that GMO's are a
problem and will cause the death of millions, how can
the world ever agree?
Also, you haven't addressed my second and third
points.
BR
Peter G.
--- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter,
Here's the quote
What about people who develop new varieties the old fashioned way through
selective breeding. Granted some advances are not to our liking such as
tomatoes that have a longer shelf life and don't bruise easily but taste like
cardboard and almonds that are bred to be smaller so they fit on the
There's also someone who sells 55 gallon barrels - steel or plastic north of
Harrisburg on route 104 just past Liverpool right after route 104 cuts off of
route 11. You probably have more WVO than you can use in awhile. I think your
best bet is to look for someone in your area who can help you
I don't think Bush knows too much about democracy. Just give him a gun and
stick him in a Humvee without armor plating.
Ken
- Original Message
From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:54:00 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Bush's Next Job
Bush's
I try not to waste, but I still want.
I'm not that enamored with compact fluorescents. I've had a half-dozen of them
burnout in less than a year even though they are supposed to last five years.
They are not as bright as they claim. The information on the package will say
equivalent to 100
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
nail.
Ken
--- D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BushCo is a paranoid schizo entity. It is based on
zero-sum thinking and
preference to use
force to solve all problems, both at home
(intimidation, fear) and abroad
(military).
Hey, the repugs won't need to purge any voters here in
Pennsylvania. Incredibly the PA legislature banned the
use of voting machines that keep a paper trail of vote
counts. We will be using touch screen voting machines
that are easily hacked. There will be no recounts,
just people scratching their
Geez! and I thought creationism was just a problem
here in the U.S., home of the wackos.
Ken
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0622-03.htm
Published on Thursday, June 22, 2006 by the
Independent / UK
World Scientists Unite to Attack
Let's not be too hasty to condemn. While the CO2
problem will continue, it is a step in the right
direction to reduce other pollutants that cause acid
rain, also coal fired plants are the primary source of
mercury pollution. Coal provides 50% of the
electricity in the US so reduction of CO2 isn't
I was just browsing through the VW website. They now
have a brief blurb on Biodiesel and say that using B5
will not void their warranty. About two years ago I
remember a discussion on VW and at that time they did
not approve of the use of biodiesel. Here's a change
in the right direction.
Ken
Interesting confleunce of failure of foreign aid and
water as a human right. One of the important facts
left out of the information on water and Bolivia is
that the IMF put stings on a loan to Bolivia to
improve water infrastructure which was sadly in need
of repair. The IMF required that Bolivia
I didn't know that you guys in Canada had the same
problem as we do in the US. Our govenment is totally
controlled by big corporations.
Ken
--- A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only real plan (Liberal or Conservative) is to
keep big business
feeding their election campaigns... They
I say let everything burn. Why should rescuers risk
their lives for idiots who build their houses in wild
fire areas, flood plains, 8 feet below sea level, near
earthquake faults or on the coast in hurricane prone
areas?
Ken
--- Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as i sit here watching a
Methanol make you go blind, I suppose the worms
wouldn't mind.
Ken
--- Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Keith;
What about in the case of vermicomposting? Any
advice on putting a
little cocktail in there? Will it harm the worms?
Joe
Keith Addison wrote:
Snip
It's not
We are using way too much dino. The simple solution is
to tax it to the hilt like they do in Europe. I
propose a $1.50 per gallon. Can't do that you say -
unfair to all the poor folk that have to rely on their
cars to get to work. Give everyone a tax credit so
that the tax on petroleum products
I don't think anyone should have health care. Let's
kill all the thieving doctors and as a result the
sickly who don't deserve to live anyway, will die,
leaving more oil and other things for me.
Ken
--- Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Freedom-hater.
You probably think all people should
Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can
impeach him.
--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lovely. Absolutely lovely.
If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally
have a mad man loose in
the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his
own thoughts for one
Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to
transmit electricity through the air like radio waves.
He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I
think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the
Tesla turbine you could have a winner.
Ken
--- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't think so. The purpose of distilling alcohol is
usually to separate it from water. The boiling point
of alcohol is close to that of water so the
temperature of the vessel and cooling column is
critical. When water is distilled it is usually
separated from salts and other contaminants. The
I added a cupful of acetone to a tank on my VW jetta
TDI. I heard so boiling and hissing coming from the
fuel tank for about 5 minutes. I didn't notice any
increase in fuel economy. I only tried the acetone
once.
Ken
--- Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
Yes I was wondering
Has anyone ever done electrolysis. I've done it years
ago using a 6 amp battery charger as a source of
current. It took about 15 minutes to fill a small
testube. Additionally you need to add an electrolyte
to the distilled water usually sulfuric acid. Where is
the truck driver going to get
I would have to second the comments on the need for
deep cycle batteries and not regular automotive
batteries. You will also need to get a current
inverter that is not made for use in an automobile.
The inverters used with automobiles are designed to
shut off while you still have enough current
Sorry jet fuel weighs 5.22 pounds per gallon not 8.
The carbon coefficient for jet fuel is that it
produces 19.33 million metric tons of CO2 for every
quadrillion btu. 57,000 US gallons, 138,000 btu per
gallon, yields 7.66 billion btu, producing about 152
metric tons per 8000 miles or 15.2 tons
Here in Pennsylvania diesel cars are exempt from
emission inspections. I was recently bear hunting in
Maine. The local folks told me that Maine no longer
permits sales of Jetta TDI's because of diesel
emissions. My question is this - what pollutes more? A
cleaner gas powered SUV getting 15 miles a
Sorry if this is very late but I don't read the
postings that often. I don't know where you live but
it is common knowledge that the soil in the eastern
part of the united states is deficient in boron and
many farmers routinely add it to their soil. However I
don't think that boron deficiency is
--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken,
Are you saying that the refining of uranium and
nuclear power in general
does not contribute to greenhouse gases?
No, my point was that arguing that coal was used in
its production was spurious since everthing uses
fossil fuel to some
Hakan,
Your argument that conservation would eliminate the
need for building nuclear power has merit but does not
speak to the use of fossil fuel as a reason to scrap
nuclear.
The problem is that many people do not care to
conserve. Look at the facts - Bush's energy plan is
simply to drill for
We have basically two arguments against nuclear power
in the referenced article. 1) It is a fallicy that
production of nuclear energy does not contribute to
greenhouse gases. 2) Nuclear energy takes so much
investment energy to get started that it will take 18
years before there is a net gain in
The argument that coal is used in the production of
uranium therefore nuclear power contributes to green
house gases is a bit ludicrous. If we wanted to
eliminate the use of coal we would essentially have to
do nothing at all. The automobile engine that you are
running your biodiesel in was
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Mike
Ken Riznyk wrote:
--- Appal Energy wrote:
Considering the fact that the sun only radiates
so
much heat per minute,
hour, day or year, your colder than normal
means
that someone else has a
hotter than normal.
NOT TRUE
You statement
--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Considering the fact that the sun only radiates so
much heat per minute,
hour, day or year, your colder than normal means
that someone else has a
hotter than normal.
NOT TRUE
You statement shows that you do not understand the
greenhouse effect.
Phillip,
Before you jump on the bandwagon you might want to
read this http://www.cspinet.org/new/stevia.html
I alway like how these news releases pretend that they
are on the crux of a new discovery. Stevia has been
available in health food stores for years, and in some
full service
Dear Eagle,
I was not advocating the use of the little pink
packets that contain saccahrin which indeed is a
carcinogenic. Splenda comes in yellow packets. As far
a reading about food products on the internet I'll
trust the Center for Science in the Public Interest,
before I'll listen to someone
where they did
take American
territory, they
withdrew shortly afterward. In fact, the British
were distracted in
Europe, and
did not wish to put any more resources into N.A.
than absolutely
necessary.
History certainly has its quirks.
Darryl
Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED
--- bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Luc,
(Snip)
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From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The Balfour Decision
Reconsidered
The Lusitania was in fact heading to
--- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not
know of any war, except the civil war, were the
American soldier has been
the winner. Maybe Iraq will be the first, but I
personally doubt it.
You Brits seem to have a short memory - did you forget
the American Revolution and the War of
Not only did our state department refuse extradition
of Warren Anderson they put an enormous amount of
political pressure on India to drop its suit and
investigation.
Ken
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20627/
Silent Night, Deadly Night
By
I don't think that it is too difficult to replace a
diesel head gasket. I did it in a Rabbit with only a
little difficulty. I am handy but do not consider
myself an able auto mechanic. If the head gasket is
blown chances are it is from overheating and the head
is warped too. This is not a big
Maybe very interesting but not entirely accurate. The
Chinese yuan is pegged to the US dollar, so the dollar
cannot deflate with relation to Chinese currency. This
helps them because if the dollar deflated relative to
the yuan imported Chinese goods would become more
expensive and their sales to
I thought it was interesting too. For years the
bigwigs have been telling us that most of the
pollution comes from automobiles and not from power
plants. I guess this proves what liars they are.
Ken
--- John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
'prolly old news to those that have been paying
Another concern about the dollar is that much of the
US debt is held by foreign investors mainly in China
and Japan. They are growing increasingly nervous as
they watch the dollar plummet. When they decide to
unload dubya is going to be in deep doo doo.
Ken
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi to
Just curious. A few years back The Mother Earth News
had an article about using the bacteria clostridia
thermocellum to break down cellulose into sugars and
then fermenting it into alcohol. Anybody know of
anyone using this process?
Ken
--- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Legal Eagle wrote:
A second comment. Yes the extra weight takes more jet
fuel, but what about all the extra petroleum products
used to grow and transport the extra food that is
eaten. I don't know how to calculate it but I am sure
that if everyone ate a sensible diet much more fuel
would be saved.
Ken
--- Peggy
--- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 02:00 PM 10/24/2004, you wrote:
Have fun! (I really enjoy splitting wood. It's
almost
a shame that we have a full pile for this winter.
Almost.)
Erik
Where are you? I will provide tools, beverages and
food if you would care
to
Let's not forget Bush's record. He claimed many times
over in the presidential debate that making decisions
is hard work. Well if it was such hard work why was he
on vacation 42% of the time during his presidency.
Ken
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quick, what is the voting record for YOUR
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe...the
tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would
anyone living in
Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add)
How can Canada be the USA's best friend; they didn't
send any troops to Iraq. I think we should change the
name of Canadian Bacon
--- Phil Van Camp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The French or whomever are quite welcome to have
Kerry as their president.
The fact they may prefer him is a good reason not to
elect him in the U.S.
Certainly Kerry leans (if that is strong enough) far
to the left.
The most obvious reasons
1. Israeli forces never killed any women or children?
2. Saddam Hussein gave $25,000 to all Palestinians who
were martered not just the suicide bombers.
3. I don't see any reduction in suicide bombs, but if
there were it's probably because they all got AK-47's
and went to Iraq to fight the
--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The US is no friend to anybody, when carefully
looked at. They have NEVER
ever done anything sacrificially in it's entire
existance.
You never heard of World War I or World War II
Ken
___
Do you
Water vapor in the short run of course has more effect
on the local weather considering rain fall and fronts
etc. However CO2 will have much more effect in the
long run considering global warming. The fact that all
the other gases comprise less than 1% of the
atmosphere means nothing. I sure you
Are you just generating electricity or are you
co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel
engine to heat your house getting more bang for the
buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why
more residential or commercial co-generation plants
aren't used, especially in the northern
Israel also has ignored many more UN resolutions than
Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the
US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel.
Ken
--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that
DOES possess WMD's,
nuclear as well
I guess Bush has to inflate the numbers, because 3,000
is a small number compared to the other atrocities
that have occurred.
Already there are about 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed
20,000 died in Bhopal, neither Union Carbide nor Dow
which bought Union Carbide has paid one penny in
reparation.
1
Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that
diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running
kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's
illegal but I don't really care about that.
--- Gasman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Phil,
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison
the system, and gone back
to farming methods from
100 years ago and have found that their yields have
improved, the quality
of the product has improved, and their expenses have
dropped. Let nature
work with you instead of fighting it.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL
What's this washed ceramic filter? The links I read
about making biodiesel don't say anything about
filtering.
Ken
--- Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That sounds reasonable but what causes this wax
component, Is this
unsufficient washing?
JLB
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I guess I have to eat crow here. It's good to know,
now I can respond to all the pronuclear engineers who
keep on complaining about the negative net energy loss
of producing ethanol.
Ken
--- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Ron for your reply. I read a news
article at
one of your
1. Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive.
2. The U.S. is no longer a democracy but a plutocracy;
of the people, by the people and for the people is now
subservient to corporate America.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
right on, wayne
james
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From: wayne
The reason the government is promoting ethanol
production is because of the farm lobby. In general
the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The
fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and
distill ethanol require the input of more energy than
is obtained from the ethanol produced.
Ken
If you want energy free threre's sun drying and brine,
but I don't think I'd like a diet of jerky, salt port,
pickles, saurkraut and pemican. Some technology and
energy use is good. Refrigeration has prevented
thousands of deaths by food borne pathogens.
Ken
--- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL
True, marble only feels cooler because it conducts
heat away from your body faster than other materials.
Ken
--- Michael Lagae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Capra,
Your suggestions about finding the free stone is a
good one, I'll have to remember that. However, the
statement that marble is
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 20:41
Subject: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
Wrong again, You may not have been paying attention as
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 05:24
Subject: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
The president is doing what he thinks is right and
I have a 94 Dodge conversion van with a 318 gasoline engine. It has
over 200,000 miles on it and I am thinking that I will need a new
engine soon. Does anyone have any ideas on what would be a good
diesel transplant? The Cummings diesel used in the Dodge Ram Pickup
uses the same tranny but is
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me make it known that I do not agree with how Bush is
handling the oil
situation, but at least he is trying to do something (I'm not
talking
about attacking Iraq) his mentioning hydrogen is a start.
{ken riznyk} do
I found this web site http://www.miles2go.com/suc2.htm
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And on that note, I sent off some email a while back for some
Jatropha
seeds and have still not received any information back from
Reinhard. I
am kinda miffed
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