From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, 15 June, 2007 5:32:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/tomdispatch/2007/06/klare_pentag
on_peak_oil.html?src=emailhed_20070615_ts1_thepentagonsoilsuckingways
The Pentagon v. Peak Oil
Commentary: The wars of the future may be fought just to run the
machines that fight them.
By Michael Klare
June 14, 2007
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg18995.html
[biofuel] The Railroading of Amtrak
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg12055.html
[biofuel] Subsidizing Trains, Planes And Automobiles
(The whole discussion thread is linked at the end of the page.)
I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate backwards
to get a rough idea what the cost is.
Interesting side note: I was at the bus stop in my neighborhood, which is
for lack of a better word, one of the more exclusive suburbs in the
country, mosty due to its proximity to DC.
Immediate gratification. That's a large part of why we are in this mess.
Wonder what the payback time of those granite counters and appliances is?
On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate
backwards
to get a rough
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Wonder what the payback time of those granite counters and appliances is?
Almost immediate
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Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff, you can
only include the strict monetary benefits when calculating payback.
On 6/15/07, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Wonder what the payback
Wonder what the payback time of those granite counters and appliances is?
On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate backwards
to get a rough idea what the cost is.
Interesting side note: I was at the bus stop in my
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff, you can
only include the strict monetary benefits when calculating payback.
Nope, I'm talking property flipping.
The sad but incontrovertible truth is,
Uuugh. Forgot about property flipping. But now that you mention it,
they are ripping down 2,000 sq foot $800k houses in Boulder, just for
the lot. Ack. Our society is nuts.
This is one reason my town hasn't made too much effort to clean up the
piles of abandoned cars along the road and in
Hey Yewdall,
I DID MY PART when I traded in my Escalade for a Lexus SUV hybrid for the
commute downtown. I didn't HAVE to spend the extra money BUT I DID
because it was the right thing to do. Now get off my back and let me enjoy
my lifestyle.
Uuugh. Forgot about property flipping. But now
LOL. I bet your Escalade was 3 years old, and you didn't want to be
seen in that old a car anyway. But, I applaud getting the Lexus
instead of just a newer Escalade. :)
On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Yewdall,
I DID MY PART when I traded in my Escalade for a Lexus SUV
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Uuugh. Forgot about property flipping. But now that you mention it,
they are ripping down 2,000 sq foot $800k houses in Boulder, just for
the lot. Ack. Our society is nuts.
Our society is suicidal. Nuts indeed!
I though Boulder had more sense. I've read good stuff
Well, boulder has alot of good things -- great public transit, bike
trails, greenspace. And they do think about planning, which is more
than I can say for many places. But because they are surrounded by
open space that can't be built on (a good thing), and they have also
historically made it hard
Actually 2 years - but the ashtray was full and power carpet wasn't working.
LOL. I bet your Escalade was 3 years old, and you didn't want to be
seen in that old a car anyway. But, I applaud getting the Lexus
instead of just a newer Escalade. :)
On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dawie Coetzee wrote:
This from another group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carfree_cities/message/10256
Fuel-sipping trains
June 11, 2007
With energy prices high and likely to go higher in the years ahead,
it would make sense for the nation to embrace a transportation
policy that
Not to mention that train engines burn diesel/biodiesel to make electricity
to run the trains, so they are already hybrids. They could add an
ultra-capacitor 'caboose' to the train to capture some of the immense
braking energy.
It also seems to me that we could put Solar PV panels on the tops
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