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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
LOL...amen brother...have to use the whole coin. The List is helping me
do
so. I've also
Hi Mike
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mark manchester
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Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
Hi Jesse...thanks for writing. You wrote
?
Keith
From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:30:57 -0500
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Hi D and List...Looking forward to watching What The Bleep Do We
Know? Checked out
: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:30:57 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
Hi D and List...Looking forward to watching What The Bleep Do We
Know? Checked out
on the Bright Side of LIFE!!! Mike
DuPree
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Addison" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:38
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on
water and Other Nonsense
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Title: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
Hi Mike,
Nuts, I forgot to put anything on the subject line in my response to you and to Keith. Sorry! Maybe you will find it anyway.
Thanks for your thoughtful response. I appreciate your frustration!
From: MK DuPree [EMAIL
Title: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
Yay!
Jesse
From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 06:54:00 -0500
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
Hi Keith
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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:38 AM
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Hi Mike
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manchester
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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
Hi Keith...and List...thank you. I had read, but forgotten (shame
on me), the Credo before I asked to join. It gave me the confidence
to ask to join. Wonderful to be reminded of, wake up
: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
Hi Keith...and List...thank you. I had read, but forgotten (shame
on me), the Credo before I asked to join. It gave me the confidence
to ask to join. Wonderful to be reminded of, wake up with and read
this morning. Is that sunshine I see
Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
Hi Keith...and List...thank you. I had read, but forgotten (shame
on me), the Credo before I asked to join. It gave me the confidence
Thanks Keith...very respectful. Thank you. Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense
LOL...amen brother...have to use
f years in Charlotte, North Carolina. Anyway, good to
know JtF folks close by. Mike DuPree
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From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:47
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on
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Bob Allen said:
In my mind, infinite energy is the worst case scenario I can think
of- energy to spare, energy to
drive the gluttonous behavior of everybody on the planet. NO THANKS
BRAVO!!!
But Ryan aims to switch even his wife to biodiesel:
OK now, I'm not looking for finacial gain, but
I wish I had a wife that ran on B100! Talk about low maintenance!!
J
Keith Addison wrote:
Bob Allen said:
In my mind, infinite energy is the worst case scenario I can think
of- energy to spare, energy to
drive the gluttonous behavior of everybody on the planet. NO THANKS
BRAVO!!!
Oh boy I see where this is going just trying to avoid the temptation
need help need help phew wok it'll be good.
Jim
Joe Street wrote:
I wish I had a wife that ran on B100! Talk about low maintenance!!
J
Keith Addison wrote:
Bob Allen said:
In my mind, infinite energy
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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Howdy Mike, I am singularly unimpressed. all the patents (I agree with
park that the patent office
has given up trying to define what is real and what is not) and all the
math-o-babble
YES! Thank you for saying that Bob!
I agree completely. I wish more people could see it that way.
Small is beautifulless is more.
Joe
bob allen wrote:
In my mind, infinite energy is the worst case scenario I can think of- energy
to spare, energy to
drive the gluttonous behavior
: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Howdy Mike, I am singularly unimpressed. all the patents (I agree with
park that the patent office
has given up trying to define what is real and what is not) and all the
math-o-babble are not going
to convince me as easily as simple proof of efficacy
Joe and Bob,
Whats wrong with you guys? Just imagine all that energy . if Bush co
got a hold of that he could spread his glitter all over the galaxies, we
could bring them dang ET's into line out thereChuckle yes just
think wow we may just need the space ship to find a decent planet. No
]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Howdy D, you seem to accept that the hydrino is real; that is, that
Mills has discovered a new
form of matter- hydrogen with a never before seen energy state below the
know ground
- Original Message -
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Howdy D, you seem to accept that the hydrino is real; that is, that
Mills has discovered a new
form of matter
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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Howdy D, you seem to accept that the hydrino is real; that is, that
Mills has discovered a new
form of matter- hydrogen with a never before seen energy state below the
know ground state. Well I'm
going
: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Howdy Mike, I am singularly unimpressed. all the patents (I agree with
park that the patent office
has given up trying to define what is real and what is not) and all the
math-o-babble are not going
to convince me as easily as simple proof of efficacy: start
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From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Howdy D, you seem to accept that the hydrino is real; that is, that
Mills has discovered a new
form of matter- hydrogen
: Re:
[Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
there is a big difference in the process of heating a liquid via
ultrasonic energy
input (NOTE ENERGY INPUT) and claiming to extract energy from nowhere.
D. Mindock wrote:
Dingel says he wants the money from his inventions to go directly
Bob, what do you think after reading this:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/mills.htm ??? Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Howdy D, you seem
The article is REALLY one-sided. I'd like to know Stephen W. Hawking's opinion...Full text of the patent:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6024935.html
or PDFhttp://www.freepatentsonline.com/6024935.pdfOn 5/16/06, MK DuPree
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bob, what do you think after reading this:
.
MK DuPree wrote:
Bob, what do you think after reading this:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/mills.htm ??? Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs
Marty,It's Ebay versus MercExchange:http://tinyurl.com/rc56kOn 5/16/06, Marty Phee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It's just a press release.Doesn't mean anything.Just something to
get people to invest in the company.Brigid Quinn, replying to Park for the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office,said, We do not
Sorry Richard, but your cat usefulness law doesn't
"hold water". Here's evidence to the contrary:
September 14, 2005
FORGET DRILLING ANWR! HERE KITTY, KITTY...:
Inventor fuels car with dead cats (Wednesday, September
14, 2005, Reuters via CNN)
A German inventor has angered animal rights
Hello Chris
Discussed before, when it appeared:
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg55366.html
[Biofuel] Fuel can be made from dead cats
15 Sep 2005
And debunked - he didn't say it:
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg55439.html
[Biofuel] pussy
of thermodynamics is not one of those things that have
changed.
toodles.
Peace, D. Mindock
- Original Message -
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
D. Mindock wrote
. Mindock
- Original Message -
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
D. Mindock wrote:
Bob,
The inventor was
quite adamant that over unity was being achieved
I want to put in my two cents before this topic is lost forever...
Okay, first of all, I think this car is bunk. Completely bunk.
It obviously violates the laws of thermodynamics. The first issue here
is that people will believe that water can be dumped into an engine and
run a car because
.
Peace, D. Mindock
- Original Message -
From: "bob allen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
D. Mindock wrote:
it seems sea water (or possibly even grey water) could possibly leave behind evaporite deposits.i don't know how these systems work though, or whether the water is actually evaporated, but i had assumed that clean water would be needed. salt water could be theway to go...?-chris Message: 2Date:
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From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
D. Mindock wrote:
Bob,
The inventor was
quite adamant that over unity was being achieved in the early years of
development.
overunity
An item I read of late that turned up on my PC
suggests figures, "Only about 1.6 percent of the water on Earth is fresh. Most
of it is locked, unusable for living things, in snow and the ice at the poles
and on the peaks of the highest mountains."
Doug.
Another issue concerning the
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
there is a big difference in the process of heating a liquid via
ultrasonic energy input (NOTE
ENERGY INPUT) and claiming to extract energy from nowhere.
D. Mindock wrote:
Dingel says he wants the money
An item I read of late that turned up on my PC suggests figures,
Only about 1.6 percent of the water on Earth is fresh. Most of it
is locked, unusable for living things, in snow and the ice at the
poles and on the peaks of the highest mountains.
Doug.
http://snipurl.com/qcpd
Re: [biofuel]
@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Some feedback about my visit to Daniel Dingel
http://2oo5.free.fr/dd/
Personnally, from what I was able to see, I'm sad to say that the
car of Daniel DINGEL doesn't run on water.
there is a big difference
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:14
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on
water
Another issue concerning the Car Powered by Water: Even if the
invention works as he claims it does, i don't think water is the answer for a
fuel source for cars. Yeah, it has basically
by an independent
skeptic with an open mind.
Doug.
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From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
miki de mla wrote:
I guess we just have to see the gadget
aquafuel : 13 % water added to diesel or biodiesel:
works in every diesel engine.
i.e:
http://www.aquazole.com/en/index.htm
up to 75 % water in a pantone engine ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Pantone
frantz
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Biofuel mailing list
, I doubt
if he would be in business. See: http://www.hydrodynamics.com/
Peace, D. Mindock
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From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
miki de
changed from the 1970's, new discoveries are being
made.
Peace, D. Mindock
- Original Message -
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
D. Mindock wrote:
Bob,
The inventor
. Mindock
- Original Message -
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
D. Mindock wrote:
Bob,
The inventor was
quite adamant that over unity was being achieved
If you can use grey water or salt water there would not be a problem. If
the water used has to be clean drinkable water there is a problem.
Terry Dyck
From: chris davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car
drinkable water there is a problem.
Terry Dyck
From: chris davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:14:57 -0700 (PDT)
Another issue concerning the Car Powered
: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
miki de mla wrote:
I guess we just have to see the gadget to believe his claims...
Be skeptical. Eyes can be deceived.
robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca
there are several issues which i think makes mr.
dingle's invention unacceptable to many
1. his invention was first announced in the late 1960s
and for 40 years he can not properly explain a
coherent technical explanation of major issues of his
inventions. it is not even patented (last time i
no, the problem is not economics, its thermodynamics. The first couple of laws
of thermodynamics
say you don't get something for nothing, and you can't even break even. you
have to have an
energy source if you want to do work. this is right up there with Newmans free
energy energy
D. Mindock wrote:
Dingel says he wants the money from his inventions to go directly
to the people of the Phillipines.
Getting money from investors for a product that won't work as
claimed, and selling that worthless product to gullible people is a
scam, no matter where the funds end
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From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
miki de mla wrote:
I guess we just have to see the gadget to believe his claims...
Be skeptical. Eyes can
Another issue concerning the Car Powered by Water: Even if the invention works as he claims it does, i don't think water is the answer for a fuel source for cars. Yeah, it has basically no pollution and all, but what would happen to the water supply when everbody and their mom wants to "fill
I was at JPL when the lab ran a 2 year project re hydrogen enrichment and Ford and Chevy attended meetings. project was abandoned when Honda brought out the wedge. The old engines wasted fuel and hydrogen enabled leaner mix. So did Honda design and no hydrogen needed.Kirkmagic [EMAIL
Dingel lives about a kilometer away from my house and i have observed his activities with interest all these years. His problem is NOT his invention but rather ECONOMICS. The fossil fuel suppliers dont want competition. Last night, I saw on TV representatives of a car manufacturer and of a fossil
miki de mla wrote:
I guess we just have to see the gadget to believe his claims...
Be skeptical. Eyes can be deceived.
robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca
Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
I always said the day we run out of gas they would say that they JUST figured out how to run acar off of H20
On 5/8/06, David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
D. Mindock wrote: Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he
About this Car runs on water. I saw this a few years back on our local Philippine news. It was only a few times he was featured. But never the less not much believed him. But i would love to believe him. Some say he had investments pouring in from different countries. Some of his inventions was
will they call it a Mercury outboard?
On 5/8/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ha.I've already supercharged that car.Now it goes TWICE as fast on aglass of water.robert luis rabello wrote:
D. Mindock wrote:Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on onlywater almost 30
This is too weird. Just today an associate sent me an wmv file of a Fox
news report about HHO gas a company called Hydrogen Technology that is
promoting something like this (I can forward the clip off list per
request) - but in mean time, found their homepage and another link:
Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only
water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he has converted that
will run on just tap or sea water. Needless to say all the car
companies have tried to steal his technology so he is going to share
it with anybody and everybody
On May 8, 2006, at 4:06 PM, D. Mindock wrote:
1 liter of water will run the car for an hour. Very efficient
electrolysis is used to get the hydrogen from the water
while the car's in operation.
No time to read the details just now -- I'm guessing the
electricity comes from a wind turbine
D. Mindock wrote:
Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only
water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he has converted that
will run on just tap or sea water. Needless to say all the car
companies have tried to steal his technology so he is going to share
it
Paddles
Ken Provost wrote:
On May 8, 2006, at 4:06 PM, D. Mindock wrote:
1 liter of water will run the car for an hour. Very efficient
electrolysis is used to get the hydrogen from the water
while the car's in operation.
No time to read the details just now -- I'm guessing the
D. Mindock wrote:
Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only
water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he has converted that
will run on just tap or sea water.
Uh huh . . .
Needless to say all the car
companies have tried to steal his technology so he
Guess I shouldn't have sent that investment check - darn, he seemed so
nice, too.
David Miller wrote:
D. Mindock wrote:
Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only
water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he has converted that
will run on just tap or sea water.
Ha. I've already supercharged that car. Now it goes TWICE as fast on a
glass of water.
robert luis rabello wrote:
D. Mindock wrote:
Here is a Philippine inventor who first started running cars on only
water almost 30 years ago. He has 100 engines he has converted that
will run on just
On 5/8/06, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No time to read the details just now -- I'm guessing the
electricity comes from a wind turbine on top of the car,
which is turned by the wind from the car's motion down
the road! :-)
-K
Don't laugh. I actually had some discussions with
Solar panels on a Prius?
Andrew Netherton wrote:
On 5/8/06, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No time to read the details just now -- I'm guessing the
electricity comes from a wind turbine on top of the car,
which is turned by the wind from the car's motion down
the road! :-)
-K
Hmmm, How nice Lets see my calculations may be of just a bit but the
liter of water takes somewhere around 300Kw hrs of electric energy to
split the water into Hydrogen and oxygen at 100% conversion, then put
this into any heat engine and reassemble getting back 100 Kw hrs of
mechanical
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