Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-07-04 Thread Joe Street
10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd, Have a look at what Chernobyl is like now. It's not like you really get a second chance when you screw up with nuclear. FWIW, I think if you had

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-30 Thread Zeke Yewdall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd,Have a look at what Chernobyl is like now.It's not like you really get asecond chance when you screw up with nuclear.FWIW, I think if you had

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-30 Thread Jeff Lyles
- Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring are you saying they raise the rates more than what is justified? Maybe not more than

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-27 Thread lres1
to expel water. Doug - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring Jason Katie wrote: its pretty simple theory, take two dielectric layers (i.e

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-27 Thread Jason Katie
its a spiral. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring Jason Katie

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-27 Thread Joe Street
:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd, Have a look at what Chernobyl is like now. It's not like you really get a second chance when you screw up with nuclear. FWIW, I think if you had started your post with: Here are examples of nulclear power

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Mike Redler
The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Every once in a while we find a post that challenges years of research and discussion and asks everyone to take a giant step back and re-examine ideas on a particular issue long after a consensus has been reached, as if we've missed

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Mike Redler
Re: Nuclear Power One aspect of nuclear power which concerns me (in addition to the overwhelming number of reasons not to support it) is the less publicized situation it creates in terms of ROI. There is a huge investment put into construction and decommission then, an equally huge amount of

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Kirk McLoren
WHy would you advocate hydrogen with all its losses. Supercaps are the perfect battery for transportation. More efficient than lead acid too (and no lead) - as for hydrogen who needs 25% system efficiency? KirkMike Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "The bottom line is that the world has to go

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread robert and benita rabello
Kirk McLoren wrote: WHy would you advocate hydrogen with all its losses. Supercaps are the perfect battery for transportation. More efficient than lead acid too (and no lead) - as for hydrogen who needs 25% system efficiency? Only people building nuclear power plants who think they've

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Mike Redler
I didn't. Kirk McLoren wrote: WHy would you advocate hydrogen with all its losses. Supercaps are the perfect battery for transportation. More efficient than lead acid too (and no lead) - as for hydrogen who needs 25% system efficiency? Kirk Mike Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Will Kelleher
Everyone,The only reasonable solution to the energy crisis is solar! It's free and basically infinite. All we have to do is develop some better solar cells and batteries (or those new capacitors that everyone is talking about) to power our electric engines! Will KOn 6/26/06, Mike Redler [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Jason Katie
: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring Everyone,The only reasonable solution to the energy crisis is solar! It's free and basically infinite. All we have to do is develop some better solar cells and batteries (or those new capacitors that everyone is talking about) to power ou

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Michael Redler
I'm with you on that one Will. And if regenerative braking becomes commonplace in electric vehicles, think of the energy savings when the bulk of your off-highway miles comes from wind resistance and not acceleration.Imagine the energy recycled from a 2000lb car accelerating from zero to

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Kurt Nolte
Jason Katie wrote: acually the supercap battery that fits a 9V package is all about space efficiency, if you wanted to, you could build a multifarad capacitor out of tinfoil and plastic wrap in a 5 gallon bucket for a similar effect with lower cost, just WAAAY too big for a 9V package,

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Jason Katie
] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring Jason Katie wrote: acually the supercap battery that fits a 9V package is all about space efficiency, if you wanted to, you could build a multifarad capacitor out

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-26 Thread Kurt Nolte
Jason Katie wrote: its pretty simple theory, take two dielectric layers (i.e. extremely thin plastic) and layer them between two foil layers like so- --- being plasticwrap/thin wax paper/other being foil --

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-25 Thread Mike Weaver
You all know perfectly well the answer is Dilithium Crystals. No arguments, please. robert and benita rabello wrote: chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you want to go there in this forum? I'd be laughing if your proposition

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-25 Thread Mike Weaver
list owner David - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-25 Thread Jeff Lyles
for this. As the saying goes, connect the dots. Jeff - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd, Have a look at what Chernobyl is like now

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread chem.dd
thoughts on this. David - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:49 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/20/markets/oil_intl_outlook.reut/index.htm

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread robert and benita rabello
chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you want to go there in this forum? I'd be laughing if your proposition wasn't so sad. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread Mike Weaver
5:49 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/20/markets/oil_intl_outlook.reut/index.htm Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring - Jun. 20, 2006 Reuters, June 20, 2006 Oil Consumption Seen Soaring Much of world's growth will take place in Asia

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread Ken Provost
On Jun 24, 2006, at 5:46 AM, chem.dd wrote: Fission reactors will have to do until we develop a functional fusion reactor which is by its physics inherently safe. Please let me know your thoughts on this. Gladly -- it's absurd and uninformed! Both fission and fusion are boondoggles by

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread chem.dd
] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you want to go there in this forum? I'd be laughing if your proposition wasn't

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you want to go there in this forum? I'd be laughing if your proposition wasn't so sad. robert luis

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread doug swanson
and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you want to go

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread jtcava
PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd wrote: The bottom line is that the world has to go Hydrogen. Are you SURE you

Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-24 Thread robert and benita rabello
chem.dd wrote: I would think this is the ideal forum for discussing any aspects and options for reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, particularly in terms of sustainability. What is truly sad is closed mindedness. Closed mindedness? You've GOT to be kidding! You start off with the

[Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-23 Thread Keith Addison
http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/20/markets/oil_intl_outlook.reut/index.htm Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring - Jun. 20, 2006 Reuters, June 20, 2006 Oil Consumption Seen Soaring Much of world's growth will take place in Asia, although U.S. will still use the most; OPEC needed to meet bulk of