Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-11-01 Thread Keith Addison
- From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-11-01 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Bob, Todd and all Appal Energy wrote: Jason and Katie, I believe the operational premise here is that the sodium chloride (table salt) would settle out during a FFA recovery process, no different than the manner in which potassium phosphate settles out when using KOH as the

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Ken Provost
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Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Kurt Nolte
you can use the glycerine for other... shall we say nefarious purposes? (Such as powering a turbine generator, or similiar combustive measures to reuse your waste to feed the process... No I'm not stupid enough to try and go the nitroglycerin route, though I fear for a coworker of mine who has

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread logan vilas
SODIUM CHLORIDE IS VERY TOXIC STAY AWAY. IT WILL TURN INTO A YELLOW CLOUD. IF YOU SMELL IT IT'S TOO LATE FOR YOU. ABOUT 3 SECONDS LATER YOU'LL STOP SMELLING IT AND SHOTLY AFTER YOU'LL DROP DEAD. THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER MIX CHEMICALS TRYING TO GET A CLOGED SINK OPEN. I ONCE SAW SOMEONE

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Appal Energy
How about shall we not say nefarious purposes. The salt will precipitate during the FFA recovery. And glycerol is not going to be worth anything more as a fuel source than is sugar. It's an alcohol that's as thick and as sweet as honey in it's pure state. If you've seen sugar burn then you're

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Kurt Nolte
How about shall we not say nefarious purposes. Ehh, it was a failed attempt at being humorous. I use that one all the time at work. Sometimes it works, sometimes it falls on its face. The salt will precipitate during the FFA recovery.And glycerol is not going to be worth anything more as a

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride by electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye aparrently, but it's not all that dangerous by itself. On 10/30/05, logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Jason and Katie
- Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride by electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye aparrently, but it's not all

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Table salt is NOT the same as chlorine gas. Why do you think it is? On 10/30/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think. You

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Ooops. I had an indefinite pronoun in my last post, which implied that I thought chlorine gas was not dangerous. I meant to say that, unlike chlorine gas, sodium chloride is not dangerous. The last sentence should have readYou can get chlorine gas from sodium chloride by electrolyzing

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread logan vilas
Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think. You can get it from sodium

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Appal Energy
Jason and Katie, I believe the operational premise here is that the sodium chloride (table salt) would settle out during a FFA recovery process, no different than the manner in which potassium phosphate settles out when using KOH as the catalyst and phosphoric acid in the FFA recovery. It's

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Thomas Kelly
your responses. Thanks, Tom - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA On Oct 30, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Joe Street
Sodium chloride isn't that bad. It's only a little worse than hydrionic acid. I had some this morning with breakfast. I didn't drop dead on my walk to work. Maybe it is st wwwoorkinnngarg logan vilas wrote: SODIUM CHLORIDE IS VERY TOXIC STAY AWAY. IT WILL TURN

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread bob allen
Logan, I think you are talking about the ammonia/hypochlorous acid reaction. It produces Nitrogen trichloride. NH3 +3 HClO -- NCl(3) + 3H2O combining lye and hypochlorous acid (chlorine bleach) doesn't produce chlorine gas, only sodium hypochlorite. NaOH + HClO -- NaClO + H2O the

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread bob allen
Zeke Yewdall wrote: Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride by electrolyzing saltwater, yes or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye aparrently, no but it's not all that dangerous by itself. On

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread bob allen
Appal Energy wrote: Jason and Katie, I believe the operational premise here is that the sodium chloride (table salt) would settle out during a FFA recovery process, no different than the manner in which potassium phosphate settles out when using KOH as the catalyst and phosphoric acid

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Keith Addison
Is there any way to later extract the NaCl from the glycerine, so that you can use the glycerine for other... shall we say nefarious purposes? (Such as powering a turbine generator, or similiar combustive measures to reuse your waste to feed the process... No I'm not stupid enough to try and

Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA

2005-10-31 Thread Appal Energy
Provost mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:28 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA On Oct 30, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote: I'm having difficulty