Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale
No, it is not a BD factory. In fact we produce a kind of soap (not glycerin soap). Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Hi Pieter, Got in tough with Breustedt last friday they ave me the name of their local distributors near Eindhoven so now I can finally start my first batch! Thanks for the help. You factory is a BD factory? From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:13:15 +0200 The number is 06 2049 38 58 (Jan de Jong). Mention my name if you wish, and maybe you'll even get it a little cheaper. I have a small factory and Jan is my supplier. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Eindhoven, do they sell wholesale at Breustedt or also smaller batches, seem more appropriate to start small with my first batch. Have you been making BD for a while? From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:50:28 +0200 Hi Pieter, Where do you live ? My supplier is Breustedt in Apeldoorn Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Hi Pieter, Seems I found a fellow Dutch guy around, something bound to happen of course. Pieter I recently became interested in Biodiesel and want to start producing it or at least give it my best shot. However, it seems I cannot get hold of decent lye (or NaOH) would you mind telling me where your supplier has hidden himself? Or where else I might be able to find good Lye? Grtz, Pieter van Eeten From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:19:10 +0200 Yes. What is the price ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case
[biofuel] Fw: Left behind: THE FALSE HAND-OVERS OF IRAQ SADDAM HUSSEIN*
forewardet by Fritz - Original Message - From: Sabine Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:46 PM Subject: Left behind: THE FALSE HAND-OVERS OF IRAQ SADDAM HUSSEIN* *LEFT BEHIND: THE FALSE HAND-OVERS OF IRAQ SADDAM HUSSEIN* by Phyllis Bennis Institute for Policy Studies 5 July 2004 Last week was filled with false hand-overs. The hand-over of Saddam Hussein and the hand-over of Iraqi sovereignty were both fake. In both cases virtual political or legal authority was declared in the hands of Iraq's interim government, while actual control on the ground or in the prison remains with the U.S. Sovereignty is absolute; a nation is either sovereign or it is not; being partially sovereign is like being partially pregnant. Iraq remains occupied; it is not sovereign. When U.S. pro-consul Paul Bremer left Baghdad with what one of his own assistants called his tail between his legs, he left behind a country still occupied, and governed by an imposed interim authority still completely reliant economically, militarily and politically on U.S. backing. The shift from Bremer's Coalition Provisional Authority to the new U.S. embassy led by Ambassador John Negroponte reflects a shift from Pentagon authority to what appears to be a growing State Department - CIA collaboration as lead agencies in Iraq. It does not reflect a shift from U.S. to Iraqi control. The anticipated June 30th date for the hand-over was moved up partly to avert likely embarrassing attacks by anti-occupation forces on the date of what was supposed to be a celebration, and partly to take advantage of the NATO summit in Istanbul. There, Bush used the opportunity of announcing the furtive, secret transfer of sovereignty in hopes of winning allies' support for his war. It was not sufficient; while NATO agreed to an undefined commitment to train Iraqi police and soldiers, there were no new troop commitments or endorsements of the war. The secrecy and stealth of the hand-over is one more indication of the failure of Bush administration policies. The war has not brought Iraq sovereignty, freedom or independence. Whatever they may try to sell to American voters, the invasion and occupation of Iraq is nothing for this administration to be proud of. Bremer himself, referring to the multitude of new laws he imposed on Iraq in the last weeks before the so-called transfer of sovereignty designed to insure future Iraqi compliance with U.S.-dictated laws, institutions, and economic interests (oil, the WTO, and more), noted that, you set up these things...and it's harder to reverse course. What did Bremer's departure and the June 28 transfer of sovereignty leave behind? * 140,000 U.S. troops, 20,000 'coalition' troops, and 20,000 private military contractors still occupying the country; * 97 new laws and regulations, which Bremer himself identified as binding instructions or directives to the Iraqi people; * An appointed electoral commission with authority to disqualify parties or candidates, and whose rules places tight restrictions on fundraising and political participation by any party connected to a militia or armed wing, while imposing no restrictions on money pouring in to Iraqi parties from U.S., Saudi, Iranian or any other foreign sources; * U.S.-appointed national security and intelligence chiefs for Iraq, each promised a 5-year term; * U.S. minders, known as inspector-generals appointed for five-year terms in every Iraqi ministry, with oversight power - and although Iraqi interim ministers nominally have the authority to ignore their advice or even fire them, the utter dependence of the interim government on U.S. political and economic backing makes such a move virtually unthinkable. Iraq's post-transition economy remains dependent on and reflective of U.S. priorities. Bremer's economic regulations included capping taxes at 15%, guaranteeing the right to 100% foreign ownership of all Iraqi entities, corporate regulations designed to qualify Iraq for the WTO, and continued immunities for companies (such as Halliburton) with oil-related contracts signed before the hand-over. The U.S. will continue to exercise enormous economic, as well as political and military, control of Iraq. According to the Washington Post, only $366 million of the $18 billion allocated by Congress for Iraqi reconstruction has actually been spent, providing some insight as to why the country remains so intractably destroyed. In recent weeks several billion more were assigned to, though not yet spent on, future projects chosen by the U.S. occupation authorities, not by Iraqis. (It appears the funds to pay Halliburton and other U.S. corporations have come from Iraqi money - oil-for-food funds, frozen assets held in other countries, etc., all usurped by the U.S. occupation.) Dangling the remaining
Re: [biofuel] Sump Oil as fuel.
Yes this is usable the baldwin company ( worlds largest manufacturer of filters ) has equipment called a recycler for this use. You will need to supply a couple of product aka 55 gal drums. The pump takes sump oil from one drum by suction from that drum and dillutes it with the fuel from a second drum and filtered the recycled fuel goes into the third drum and from there you put it into the vehicle service tank. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Sump Oil as fuel.
Greetings from Lynden, WA Along the same lines, I was reading in the National Geographic that a truck driver ran out of fuel far off the roads in the Saharan Desert. He was going to die, what to do. He drained a gallon of crankcase oil and added it to his fuel tank which got him to a place with water. Saved his life. Steve[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monaro Madness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, My dad has a farm and as such ends up with a lot of waste sump oil. He has heard of a process were he can filter it and then mix it with his usual diesel and burn it as fuel for the tractors and stuff. Does anyone here know about this or could point me in the right direction on where to look. I have done a lot of searches and cant seem to find much. Thanks. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Double Batching
Hmmm, 160 into 204 doesn't leave much room for the H2O huh? Good catch, and thanks. Not being a whiz at much of anything, I appreciate it when someone comes along and stops me from being my own wost ennemy, so now I need to rethink my double batching thing and perhaps stick to a single 100 liter or 2-60's but that's a whole heaping lot of trouble for just 20 liters more, although a secondary, smaller settling tank would do it, but a second wash tank would to do alot better; amazing what comes out when you put some brain power into it:) So, I can still do two batches but wash them seperately and that way I can do two 100 liter batches and not have to worry about not having enough water to wash properly. I process two batches, one I settle in a seperate tank, the other in the reactor, then fire each into a different wash tank and voila! But then I would need two air pumps to bubble with. I already have two timers, so maybe that is an option. To start though it is going to be one single batch of about 80 liters, settled in the reactor and then sent to the one wash tank I have set up. Start simple and complicate your life after, Ha! Isn't tha the way life is though? You are born with simple needs and simple tastes and as you get the hang of it you complicate the hell out of it for no other reason than to try to get it to be simple. People are REALLY weird. L. PS: I got caught on that methanol question too.But it did give me an opportunity to share the lovely conversion tables I found, and those were the best until someone, please forgive me I don't remember who, posted a downloadable .executable file converter and it is quite interesting to use.Has all the converts you can need too, great tool. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day L G'day; Having pretty much completed my processor and also having found a nice home for it, I have a question for those in the know. I am set up for a single batch lot or with a spare drum I can send tghe finished process to a settling tank and straight away fire up another one. The question is, can I pop one batch on top of the first one even though it may be a couple hours (2-3) between processing the first batch and the second and just have them settle together until I am ready to sent them together to the wash tank? My batches can either be 100 liter sigle or 80 liter when doubled. The wash tank determining the size of double batching. (160 liters plus water in the wash tank is going to about top it off I think). Do I still bubble 4-5 hours, change water and then wash twice more 10 hours each, or do I have to make the wash longer due to increased volume? Ok, that's two questions. So you want half-price or what? :-) I'm not sure I grok your numbers aright - hey, that reminds me, you STILL didn't get that other one right! Sheesh! How much lye per litre of methanol, remember? (Or was it hogsheads?) He'd asked the wrong question anyway. Have to go back and dig it up... Anyway, numbers permitting, I see no reason you can't dump one batch on top of another one, then they'll both have settled out together the next day and proceed as if it's a single batch. That said, if one of the batches is good and the other's iffy, different oil or different something or other, you're perhaps going to be a little hard put to find out just what went wrong and where and why once they're all mixed up. With that in mind, it might be an idea to do small-size test- batches in parallel with each batch, at least at first until you get the hang of doing it that way. You're going to wash 160 litres in a 200-litre tank? Needs some headroom too, doesn't leave much space for the water. Try it and see, maybe it'll be worth it even if it takes more washes and more time. Or make somewhat smaller batches. Thanks for any input. HIH. Best Keith L. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol
Chris McKay wrote: Hi there! I'm new to the list and I thought I'd drop a line and say hi to everyone! I live in Kitimat BC, and coincidentally I work at Methanex, the world's largest producer of methanol. We also make ammonia at our plant here from the purge (excess) hydrogen from the methanol plant. I worked at the plant in Medicine Hat, Alberta, and then I got transferred to Kitimat when the other plant shut down. Welcome aboard, Chris! I spent two years in Terrace and visited Kitimat numerous times. It's beautiful up there, if you have steady work! (Shhh! Don't tell anyone!!!) Also, since I have an ingrained safety ethic from where I work, if anyone needs any MSDS's (material safety data sheets) for methanol, or ANY chemical for that matter, just let me know. Part of having these chemicals, especially around the house, is that you (and everyone using them) know everything you can about them, and have the information available. Label all of your chemicals (not just with the name...also include the hazard symbols or words) and have the sheets in a binder (labelled) nearby!! You are liable if someone stops in and decides to have a drink of your unlabelled methanol! Good advice! It's great to hear from you. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] engine problem
Christopher wrote: Hi Martin: What could be an indication that water has indeed damaged the bearings? Will that still be repairable? Thanks a lot. Regards, chris Christopher, If you check the main bearings and the caps are copper colored, they are worn and should be replaced. New bearings are babbit [a white metal] on top of copper, on top of the steel shell. You can check them by removing the oil pan and onbolting one of the bearing caps. Be careful of getting any dirt at all in there. If you do replace them, clean the crank well and apply a sticky assembly lubricant liberally. Don't be conservative ;) Bearings rarely actually fail in a small engine so you likely don't have a problem. When a head gasket fails it is indicated by a loss of power and you may have actually seen gases escaping between the head and block. When people don't pay attention to their gauges and this failure occurs, it can result in an overheated engine with a warped head, cracked block, or other expensive failure. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PURITY OF SODIUM HYDROXIDE
I already used this kind of soda pearls several times to make BD. It works perfectly. Yves. At 07:48 AM 7/7/2004 +0900, you wrote: Hi all Please can you advise if caustic soda pearls (sold as drain cleaner) at 98% are sufficient or if i must order 99%+ which is a lot more expensive. thanks Ben Hi Ben I think that'll be just fine. Try small test-batches first, as ever. Make sure to keep the stuff dry, close the lid quickly and tight, even transfer and weigh it out it inside plastic bags if the weather's very wet. Make sure too that it's still dry in the first place when you buy it. If all the pearls are stuck together in a lump there's been a moisture leak. It'll still work as drain cleaner but not so well with biodiesel (though you could probably just use more of it, if you adjust the proportions in an organised sort of way). Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My FIrst Batch
Hi teoman it looks like you have biodiesel. I did this way: I put a 250 ml of methanol in the blender and added a teaspoon of granulated lye..which is 7 grams of lye. then turn on to mix for 1 minute then added the 1 lt of WVO slowly and turn it on for about 5 minutes or more if your blender doesn't start to burnthen pour it in a jar let it settle for 8 hours and then get the top layer wich is biodiesel...that's what you got..then you have to wash it. get a 2 lt plastic bottle of soft drink and puor it in there..add about 1/3 of water and just swing back and forth let it rest for 20 minutes...the botton should look like creamy thick stuff and water...the top is the biodieselget the biodiesel out,repeat it 3 times until the water looks like soupy water and every time shake it a bit more...then you can boil it to get all the water out...faster way...slower way let it rest for some more hours. then is ready. It should look dark in the shade and like red wine in the sun.and that's it Jorge Escobar - Original Message - From: Teoman Naskali To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: [biofuel] My FIrst Batch My first batch looks like it is fairly successfull, I found an old scale purely mechanical. With which i managed to measure the NaOH. I mixed it with the methanol in a jar, it took about 25 mins to mix, and in the end result one could almost see very very tiny particles floating. I heated the oil (corn oil) in a jar which i placed in a pan filled with water. I kept the heat constant between 55 and 60 degrees. Then i slowly added the methanol with lye. I kept it at constant temperature for about three hours and i gave it a good shake every half an hour. Can you ruin it by overstirring? Or can i recover it if the reaction has not compleeted because of insufficient stirring? It has been settling for about two hours now. There is some brownish reddis stuff at the bottom, some yellow liquid which i hope is biodiesel and a very thin again reddish brownish layer on top. Tthe biodiesel is not too clear. Does this sound ok? Or have i goofed? HOw can i check if my methanol is good? And if i wash it is this stuff good enough to pour in to my car? I must say i am excited, what is the next step? thanks, Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] flight transponders
I have to apologize, for saying that transponder in airliners could not be turned off. I was rightfully corrected by Vern (respectfully off line), who is an experienced pilot. The reason why I said this, is that 25 years ago, we were involved in some programming on the European wide flight control system. It was at the same time a debate over making transponder not possible to switch off, because of the at the time frequent hijackings. The last 15 years I have lived in the belief that it was implemented. Had the impression that the decision was made. Vern rightfully pointed out that it was not implemented and also some other technical details about it. The fact remains however that the planes must have released all alarms and been either suspected crash or hijackings within a minute of direction change or loss of transponder. This means immediate launch of military resources and notification of the president. If the chain of command in the country worked, it would tell them immediately that it was four simultaneous incidents and the immediate command of the president were called for. My comments of tracking in controlled and restricted zones are still valid, with or without transponder. It is amazing that it worked so bad, especially since it was a system for this kind of breaches, after earlier similar incidents. It has been incidents were small planes were crashed into buildings and even landed in front of the White House. The idea to use planes as projectiles is not new for US and if I remember right, the White House itself have an air defence system because of it. I think that it is a lot of cover up around this and that we have not been told the whole story. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] IBC PROCESSOR
Ben A company in the UK already sells the IBC processor systems called the Acorn. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol
Chris What is the thermal efficiency of a methanol plant? Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Government surplus Sodium hydroxide
Thought you might be interested in this. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/ Thankyou! I'll pass it on. Best wishes Keith Addison THREE 55 GALLON DRUMS for 50 USD. It says. One of those weird sites where the links don't work, you have to do a search. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: IBC PROCESSOR
Problem with those http://www.joslebel.com/indiv_product_info.php?id=53catid=3 is that they are not completely air tight and the configuration might cause uneven heat distribution which is why most processors are slim rather than wide, as in the 90 liter one at journeytoforever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html or G-Mark's Appleseed processor; http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html However, that said, the IBC's would make for fantastic storage bins. I would be using them myself in my plans for BD except that they are too large to fit in the area I have available, so I will be using 60 liter carboys instead for storage http://www.joslebel.com/indiv_product_info.php?id=83catid=9 Enjoy. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, BEN ROBERTS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the advice on the caustic soda Keith now my next question to everyone is Has anyone successfully made a processor from an IBC (1000litre) . Just an idea I've had since they are cheap and readily available with draining taps already fitted. All thoughts welcome. Best regards Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Preserving the harvest
I was thinking yesterday, while I prepare 4 gallons of tomatoes for the freezer, what it the best way to preserve the harvest. For now I am still on the grid and I am mostly alone doing the work so I tend to use electricity. While I only have tomatoes to do this year, the rest of the garden drowned, but most years I have lots of stuff to put up. I know most people can tomatoes, but I don't like peeling them, as this wastes food value. I run mine through the meat grinder, skin and all, then bag them for the freezer. This also retains the fresh tomato taste better. While I do have a hand crank meat grinder, the freezer does require electricity. I wonder if it is best to take this vegetable by vegetable or is there a better solution as to how to decide what is the most Earth/nutrition friendly method of preserving the harvest? Bright Blessings, Kim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Preserving the harvest
Sun-dried! Lay the tomatoes out on sheets of wood in the sun, turning them as needed. If you are in Texas, as I remember, this should work perfectly in your climate. The resulting dried fruit can then be stored as is, or kept in olive oil. Good luck! George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net http://www.seabreezefarm.net/ Vashon Island, WA USA _ From: Kim Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:40 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Preserving the harvest I was thinking yesterday, while I prepare 4 gallons of tomatoes for the freezer, what it the best way to preserve the harvest. For now I am still on the grid and I am mostly alone doing the work so I tend to use electricity. While I only have tomatoes to do this year, the rest of the garden drowned, but most years I have lots of stuff to put up. I know most people can tomatoes, but I don't like peeling them, as this wastes food value. I run mine through the meat grinder, skin and all, then bag them for the freezer. This also retains the fresh tomato taste better. While I do have a hand crank meat grinder, the freezer does require electricity. I wonder if it is best to take this vegetable by vegetable or is there a better solution as to how to decide what is the most Earth/nutrition friendly method of preserving the harvest? Bright Blessings, Kim Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129g26ltp/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1089290393/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa nion.yahoo.com click here http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=817438866 _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My FIrst Batch
I have a thin red layer on top? What is that?? I went to mcdolanlds an burgerking, tey sell their used oil to a soap company. A) Should i give a higher price to mcdonalds and buy some of their oil or B) Should i go to the soap company and try to figure something out with them. Maby they can lend me the oil, and i can process it and return that to them??? Or can something like that be arreanged or can they transfer most of the oil to soap. Where else would be a good place to look for oil? Thanks Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] flight transponders
It's interesting to note that the U.S. military was conducting several wargame simulations at the exact time of the September 11th attacks. Incredible as it seems one of these was a simulation of hijacked airliners crashing into buildings. Another was a biological attack on New York City. So many of the actual defense mechanisms were turned off, or responses were slowed because of the resulting confusion about the reality of the situation. These simulations were approved by the White House, so Shrub may very well have been confused during those seven minutes. I hope that he was just incompetent, because the alternative is that he knew about the attacks and let them happen. Here's a link that lists some of the U.S. wargames that have coincidentally occurred during crisis': http://oilempire.us/wargames.html -BRAH -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 2:11 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] flight transponders I have to apologize, for saying that transponder in airliners could not be turned off. I was rightfully corrected by Vern (respectfully off line), who is an experienced pilot. The reason why I said this, is that 25 years ago, we were involved in some programming on the European wide flight control system. It was at the same time a debate over making transponder not possible to switch off, because of the at the time frequent hijackings. The last 15 years I have lived in the belief that it was implemented. Had the impression that the decision was made. Vern rightfully pointed out that it was not implemented and also some other technical details about it. The fact remains however that the planes must have released all alarms and been either suspected crash or hijackings within a minute of direction change or loss of transponder. This means immediate launch of military resources and notification of the president. If the chain of command in the country worked, it would tell them immediately that it was four simultaneous incidents and the immediate command of the president were called for. My comments of tracking in controlled and restricted zones are still valid, with or without transponder. It is amazing that it worked so bad, especially since it was a system for this kind of breaches, after earlier similar incidents. It has been incidents were small planes were crashed into buildings and even landed in front of the White House. The idea to use planes as projectiles is not new for US and if I remember right, the White House itself have an air defence system because of it. I think that it is a lot of cover up around this and that we have not been told the whole story. Hakan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Preserving the harvest
Tomatoes, unlike most vegetables (they are actually a fruit) increase in nutritional value as you cook them, so if you want a simple solution that will help preserve their taste and nutritional value try freezing UNWASHED overnight in the deep freeze, then remove them and run them under tepid water and the skin just peels right off which you can then toss into the compost. The remaining tomatoes can now be canned quite effectively and you can even add a little oregano in the process for an added taste boost. DO NOT USE BASIL, as it is toxic, as is black pepper. If you want them a little spicy try tossing in a Habanero pepper while canning, butr be careful, the habanero isn't called the world's hottest pepper for nothing. Cayennes will do nicely and are quite a bit milder. You then only use the electricity for the initial freezing part and then you can turn it off, which is economical on the genset, if that is what you are using for producing the electricity. Or, should you want to preserve the initial several hours it takes to get a freezer to cold enough temps, once you get it there, you can turn the power off and on with a timer. A well insulated deep freezer will retain it's cold for a couple days if you don't open it or if it is not stored in an exceptionally warm room, so perhaps a programable electronic timer could be useful. Just a couple pence worth :) As for other vegies, can them. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking yesterday, while I prepare 4 gallons of tomatoes for the freezer, what it the best way to preserve the harvest. For now I am still on the grid and I am mostly alone doing the work so I tend to use electricity. While I only have tomatoes to do this year, the rest of the garden drowned, but most years I have lots of stuff to put up. I know most people can tomatoes, but I don't like peeling them, as this wastes food value. I run mine through the meat grinder, skin and all, then bag them for the freezer. This also retains the fresh tomato taste better. While I do have a hand crank meat grinder, the freezer does require electricity. I wonder if it is best to take this vegetable by vegetable or is there a better solution as to how to decide what is the most Earth/nutrition friendly method of preserving the harvest? Bright Blessings, Kim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
Hi, And here I thought Berkely (UC Berkely) was famous for developing their own flavor of unix from which 3 distro have been created - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. -Al On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Martin Klingensmith wrote: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:12:40 -0400 From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking. Phil Dodd wrote: Sitting here in my south-central pennsylvania funk lamenting the fact that when I talk biodiesel I am looked at like I have 2 heads. Though there is a couple of seminars coming to the Washington D.C. area next week and again in september. Are there any folks out here in the hinterlands of the Mid-Atlantic states that are actually making, using and spreading the word? Help save me from this desert of forward thinking before my mind starts to atrophy here in the land of the closed mind. Phil Hello Phil, I live in northern New York [no, the Catskills are not northern NY] I have been trying to get people interested for quite some time. It isn't easy and it's slow, but I've been letting people know for a couple years now that there are alternatives to petro-diesel and gasoline. I've also been dispelling the widespread myth that ethanol is bad. Why is it common belief that ethanol is a horrible fuel? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] IBC PROCESSOR
A company in the UK already sells the IBC processor systems called the Acorn. Hi Mark Do you know much about the reputation of the company? Their site seems to offer all that I might need start making biodiesel commercially. Very promising :) many thanks Ben . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Preserving the harvest
Hello Kim After all the Bright Blessings you've bestowed upon us and I'm sure many others it seems a bit unjust that your garden wasn't brightly blessed. Are we then to conclude that casting your bread upon the waters isn't a good way of preserving it? That would be sad. I was thinking yesterday, while I prepare 4 gallons of tomatoes for the freezer, what it the best way to preserve the harvest. For now I am still on the grid and I am mostly alone doing the work so I tend to use electricity. While I only have tomatoes to do this year, the rest of the garden drowned, but most years I have lots of stuff to put up. I know most people can tomatoes, but I don't like peeling them, as this wastes food value. I run mine through the meat grinder, skin and all, then bag them for the freezer. This also retains the fresh tomato taste better. While I do have a hand crank meat grinder, the freezer does require electricity. I wonder if it is best to take this vegetable by vegetable or is there a better solution as to how to decide what is the most Earth/nutrition friendly method of preserving the harvest? Bright Blessings, Kim A previous Bright Blessings from you mentioned Stocking Up III: America's Classic Preserving Guide by Carol Hupping and the staff at the Rodale Food Center. Which I used to have but don't seem to have anymore. Doesn't that help? Have you looked at Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions? These might be useful: http://www.survival-center.com/foodfaq/ff1-toc.htm The Food Storage FAQ - Table of Contents Prudent Food Storage: Questions and Answers http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/ The Food Storage FAQs From Misc.Survivalism http://permapak.net/faq.htm Emergency Food Storage Solutions FAQ Page I have another one called the Food Storage FAQ, which used to be at this url and allegedly will be again but isn't right now: http://www.yonderway.com/foodstorage/default.shtml It's a whole book, if you like I could send you the text (I think). Here's the TOC, below. Meanwhile, you deserve something in return at last: Bright Blessings! Happy Happy! Keith Food Storage FAQ TABLE OF CONTENTS 0. Acknowledgements, Foreword, and Table of Contents I. Shelf Lives: Time, Temperature, Moisture, Oxygen and Light II. The Techniques of Food Storage A. Grains and Legumes 1. Grain Varieties 2. Legume Varieties 3. Types of Availability of Grains and Legumes - Moisture Content - Cleaning It Yourself 4. Storing Grains and Legumes B. Dry Milks 1. Types of Dry Milks - Buying Dry Milk Products 2. Storing Dry Milks - Shelf Life of Dry Milks C. Canned Goods 1. Canned Milk Types - Shelf Life of Canned Milks 2. Corrosion Prevention of Canned Goods D. Sugar, Honey and Other Sweeteners 1. Types of Granulated Sugars - Storing Granulated Sugars 2. Types of Honey - Buying Honey - Storing Honey Raw Honey and Botulism - Honey Outgassing 3. Types of Cane Syrups - Storing Cane Syrups 4. Corn Syrup 5. Maple Syrup E. Fats and Oils 1. Buying Storing Oils and Fats 2. Extending Shelf Life By Adding Anti-Oxidants F. Cooking Staples 1. Baking Powder 2. Baking Soda 3. Herbs Spices 4. Salt 5. Vinegar 6. Yeast G. Infant Formula III. Spoilage A. Insect Infestations 1. Pests of Stored Grains, Legumes and Dry Foodstuffs 2. Control of Insect Infestations B. Molds In Foods 1. Minimizing Molds 2. Molds in Canned Goods 3. Molds in Grains and Legumes - Preventing Molds In Grains and Legumes C. Bacterial Spoilage 1. Botulism 2. Other Bacterial Spoilers of Food D. Enzymatic Action In Food Spoilage IV. Specific Equipment Questions A. Storage Containers 1. What is Food Grade Packaging? - Where Can I Find Food Grade Containers? 2. Plastic Packaging - How Do I Get the Odor Out of Pickle Buckets? 3. Metal Cans - Pooling Resources: The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints 4. Glass Jars 5. Mylar Bags - How Do I Use Mylar Bags? 6. Reusing Or Recycling Packaging B. CO2 and Nitrogen 1. Dry Ice - Dry Ice Suppliers 2. Compressed Nitrogen - Types of Availability - Obtaining the Gas and Necessary Equipment - Putting It All Together - Putting It Into Use
[biofuel] The Mesh Of Civilizations
The Mesh Of Civilizations Chris Patten Friday 9:49 AM If Chirac's more pugilistic rebukes of Bush were not convincing, European Commissioner for External Relations Chris Patten today delivers a clear rebuttal to Bush's assertion that the United States and EU see eye to eye on foreign policy, specifically in the Middle East. If you've been looking for a Middle East policy that doesn't pander to Sharon, that doesn't hype ideology over complexity, and that says principle is more powerful than brute force, here you are. Rand Beers, we hope you're listening. - tompaine.com http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10categ_id=5artic le_id=5814 The Daily Star (Lebanon) - Opinion Articles Huntington's logic isn't Europe's By Chris Patten Special to The Daily Star Friday, July 02, 2004 Are we condemned to triggering the clash of civilizations predicted by political scientist Samuel Huntington in his essay for Foreign Affairs in 1993? His argument, that the differences between civilizations were more fundamental than those between political ideologies, and that globalization had weakened local and national identities, leaving a gap to be filled by religion, became popular in academic circles in the West (and on extremist Islamist websites). The events of Sept. 11, 2001, and since, cast a depressing shadow over our times. However, we do not have to buy into the logic of Huntington, whose arguments never convinced me. Europe's recent history of gas chambers and gulags, our Christian heritage of flagrant or more discreet anti-Semitism, do not entitle us to address the Islamic world as though we dwell on a higher plane, custodians of a superior set of moral values. It is sometimes forgotten that three quarters of the 1.2 billion Muslims live beyond the countries of the Arab League, in, for example, the democracies of Malaysia, Indonesia and India. Asian Muslim societies have their share of problems, not least dealing with pockets of extremism, but it is ludicrous to generalize about an Islamic anger engulfing countries from the Atlantic seaboard to the Pacific Ocean. In 2002, the Arab Thought Foundation commissioned a survey of attitudes in eight countries - Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia. The results confirmed other similar surveys, for example by the Pew Research Center. Like Americans or Europeans, Arabs are most concerned about matters of personal security, fulfillment and satisfaction. They do not hate Western values, democracy, freedom, education - but they cannot stand policies pursued by the West that are perceived as hypocritical and contrary to these values. What sorts of policies are objectionable to the Arab world? Let me quote what the survey's authors say: (A)fter more than three generations of conflicts, and the betrayal and denial of Palestinian rights, this issue appears to have become a defining one of general Arab concern. It is not a foreign policy issue ... rather ... the situation of the Palestinians appears to have become a personal matter. The treatment of the Palestinians is one of several areas of policy where the approach we pursue in America and Europe could abate or exacerbate Arab hostility, and build rather than burn bridges between the West and the whole of the Islamic world. In Palestine, we know that there are ways of ending the bloodshed. The Quartet's road map provided a political gazetteer. The unofficial Geneva Initiative demonstrated that there were still some courageous men and women in Israel and Palestine who can find the path to peace. We know what that peace will require if two states are to live harmoniously side by side in what, with shame if not irony, we still call the Holy Land. Iraq is another such policy. In Iraq we have to endow local and autonomous governing institutions with as much political authority as possible. The elections of January 2005 look a long way off, and the intervening months will test us with events difficult to control if not always to foresee. Having, in the prophetic words of the secretary-general of the Arab League, opened the gates of hell, we must struggle together to close them. We will all be damaged if we fail. A third such policy is the debate on reform in the Arab world. In 2002, the UNDP's Arab Human Development report unleashed a tidal wave of debate in Arab countries about the reasons for the region's comparative backwardness and inadequate performance. Arab scholars and policy-makers, not well-meaning outsiders, wrote it. How could it be that in terms of economic performance in the last quarter of the 20th century, the only region that did worse than the Arab world was sub-Saharan Africa? The answer came in the prescription summarized by the UNDP's Arab regional director. Arab countries needed to embark on rebuilding their societies based on major reforms in governance, gender equality
[biofuel] Seeing Islam Through a Lens of US Hubris
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0702-04.htm Published on Friday, July 2, 2004 by the Los Angeles Times Seeing Islam Through a Lens of US Hubris Our National Mind-set may be Leading us Toward Defeat, a CIA Expert Says by Anonymous On the one hand, Americans are told daily by the media, newsmakers and government officials that the West is winning the war that began on Sept. 11; that we've taken the fight to the terrorists and rolled back their networks, and that the majority of Al Qaeda's leadership has been captured or killed. But if you listen closely, you can also hear sharp disconnects. The directors of the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI warn periodically that Al Qaeda is as dangerous now as it was in 2001. And, if you dig even deeper into the newspaper, you'll find stories claiming these gentlemen are incorrect - Al Qaeda actually is more dangerous today than it was before what Osama bin Laden calls the blessed attacks of 11 September. Periodically, the Department of Homeland Security has raised the threat-warning indicator from yellow to amber - or is it amber to yellow? - on a tacky traffic-light-looking device. Adjusting the streetlight-of-death is meant to portray the DHS judgment that the threat to U.S. interests from someone, somewhere in the world has increased. The warnings are then complemented by advice urging citizens to quickly buy a disaster supply kit, which includes duct tape and plastic sheeting to make their homes airtight, WMD-proof fortresses. To say the least, Americans are getting mixed and confusing messages from their leaders. Are we headed toward a victory parade, Cold War bomb shelters or simply straight to the graveyard? Do repeated warnings of an Al Qaeda-produced disaster mark a genuine threat, or have federal bureaucrats learned to cover their butts so they will not have another failed-to-warn la 9/11? Are Bin Laden-related dangers downplayed to nurse the on-again, off-again economic recovery and the presidential prospects of both U.S. political parties? Are we to reach for champagne or a rosary? I believe the answer lies in the way we see and interpret people and events outside North America, which is heavily clouded by arrogance and self-centeredness amounting to what I called imperial hubris. This is not a genetic flaw in Americans that has been present since the Pilgrims splashed ashore at Plymouth Rock, but rather a way of thinking that America's elites acquired after the end of World War II. It is a process of interpreting the world so it makes sense to us, a process yielding a world in which few events seem alien because we Americanize their components. When confronted by a culturally exotic enemy, Lee Harris explained in the August/September 2002 issue of Policy Review, our first instinct is to understand such conduct in terms that are familiar to us. Thus, for example, Bin Laden is a criminal whose activities are fueled by money - as opposed to a devout Muslim soldier fueled by faith - because Americans know how to beat well-heeled gangsters. We assume, moreover, that Bin Laden and the Islamists hate us for our liberty, freedoms and democracy, not because they and many millions of Muslims believe U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam or because the U.S. military now has a more-than-10-year record of smashing people and things in the Islamic world. Our political leaders contend that America's astoundingly low approval ratings in polls taken in major Islamic countries do not reflect our unquestioning support of Israel and, as such, its targeted killings and other lethal high jinks. Nor, they say, are the ratings due to our relentless support for tyrannical and corrupt Islamic regimes that are systematically dissipating the Islamic world's energy resources for family fun and profit, while imprisoning, torturing and executing domestic dissenters. The low approval ratings, we are confident, have nothing to do with our refusal to apply nuclear nonproliferation rules with anything close to an even hand; a situation that makes Israeli and Indian nuclear weapons acceptable - each is a democracy, after all - while Pakistan's weapons are intolerable, perhaps because they are held by Muslims. And surely, if we can just drive and manage an Islamic Reformation that makes Muslims secular like us, all this unfortunate talk about religious war will end. Thus, because of the pervasive imperial hubris that dominates the minds of our political, academic, social, media and military elites, America is able and content to believe that the Islamic world fails to understand the benign intent of U.S. foreign policy. This mind-set holds that America does not need to reevaluate its policies, let alone change them; it merely needs to better explain the wholesomeness of its views and the purity of its purposes to the uncomprehending Islamic world. What could be more American in the early 21st
Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale - Pieter
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[biofuel] Saudi Oil Fields in the Crosshairs
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RE: [biofuel] Preserving the harvest
I was under the impression that the humidity needed to be below 50% to sun dry tomatoes. Also, how do you keep the bugs off of them? glass? screen? Thank you for the idea. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:09 AM 7/7/2004, you wrote: Sun-dried! Lay the tomatoes out on sheets of wood in the sun, turning them as needed. If you are in Texas, as I remember, this should work perfectly in your climate. The resulting dried fruit can then be stored as is, or kept in olive oil. Good luck! George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net http://www.seabreezefarm.net/ Vashon Island, WA USA _ From: Kim Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:40 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Preserving the harvest I was thinking yesterday, while I prepare 4 gallons of tomatoes for the freezer, what it the best way to preserve the harvest. For now I am still on the grid and I am mostly alone doing the work so I tend to use electricity. While I only have tomatoes to do this year, the rest of the garden drowned, but most years I have lots of stuff to put up. I know most people can tomatoes, but I don't like peeling them, as this wastes food value. I run mine through the meat grinder, skin and all, then bag them for the freezer. This also retains the fresh tomato taste better. While I do have a hand crank meat grinder, the freezer does require electricity. I wonder if it is best to take this vegetable by vegetable or is there a better solution as to how to decide what is the most Earth/nutrition friendly method of preserving the harvest? Bright Blessings, Kim Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129g26ltp/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1089290393/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa nion.yahoo.com click here http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=817438866 _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Preserving the harvest
Thank you, Keith, for all the suggestions, but what I was trying to get at, is how to evaluate the different methods by the energy used. For example canning needs energy to cook, energy to create the glass jars and new lids every year, as well as space to store the food and empty jars when not in use, so energy to build a bigger home. Freezing needs plastic bags, that are also reusable, and energy to keep the food frozen. Add to this how much nutrition is lost by the processing, which is the best way to preserve food? I have never personally like store bought canned vegetables, so I have never learned to can veggies, but if it is supperior to freezing on both energy usage and nutrition, I might learn. At 01:41 PM 7/7/2004, you wrote: Hello Kim After all the Bright Blessings you've bestowed upon us and I'm sure many others it seems a bit unjust that your garden wasn't brightly blessed. Are we then to conclude that casting your bread upon the waters isn't a good way of preserving it? That would be sad. Upon the water is correct this year, grin any potatoes that were more than 6 under ground rotted before we could get them out. However, that was only the spring garden, I still have the fall garden and winter garden to go, so I'll recover. Also on the agenda, is another seriously raised bed. Bright Blessings, Kim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
