Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processing Equipment
Sounds good. Long as the cost is OK. regards Doug On Wednesday 05 October 2005 8:31, Rob Perisic wrote: Hey guys, My name is Rob and I'm located in Perth, Western Australia. I'm very much a newbie to DIY Biodiesel processing but am very eager to collect the necessary equipment and materials needed to make my first batch. Obviously I'd start on a very small scale until I got the technique under control but an opportunity to purchase a hard-core piece of equipment has presented itself and I'd like to solicit some professional opinions. I have found someone who longer wants a 400L stainless steel distilling vat and I thought it might make a prefect biodiesel processor. Essentially it is a large drum with a conical base supported on legs and is about 2m in height. There are a few outlets at the base of the unit and access to the top of the drum is via a 30-35cm diameter hole. The top of the drum has a thick rim with holes where a mixing/heating unit could be attached. Having had no prior experience with either distilling/fermenting vats or biodiesel processing units, I was hoping someone could tell me what features I should be looking for and whether this unit would be a wise investment for future processing. Any help would be greatly apprciated. Regards, Rob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Evergreen Solutions wrote: I make 120 L batches but only use about 1/2 in a week this is 6.35 gal methanol and depending on the oil about 960 gr of lye per batch. So if I drove twice as much I would use the # above. I hope this helps. Derick Just wondering, why list liters per week but talk about methanol in gallons? I assume because that's how it comes, but my mind understands metrics better. Now I have to convert. :) I think in general you can expect about 5:1 (oil to methanol), with a high (70% or so I think?) percentage of that methanol being recoverable, should you choose to distill it. At even $2.00 a gallonI think that's worth distilling. Not so, sadly. You might be able to recover up to 70% of the excess methanol used in the process, that's much less than the total used. Depending on the kind of oil you're using, it takes from 110-160 milliliters of methanol per liter of oil to form the methyl esters molecule. But you also need to use an excess of methanol to push the conversion process towards completion -- the total used is usually 20% and more of the volume of oil used, 200 ml per liter or more. -- from Make your own biodiesel: Reclaiming excess methanol http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methreclaim 5:1 (oil to methanol) = 20% methanol v/v oil = 200 ml per liter. 70% of 200 ml is 140 ml. But at least 110 ml becomes methyl esters biodiesel, leaving at most 90 ml to be reclaimed. 70% of 90 ml is 63 ml, only 31.5% of the total methanol used. I don't think many people get 70% of the excess back without reversing the reaction, I only know of one (not me, sorry to say). Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] power from the sunbaked desert
Before President George W. Bush signed the federal energy bill into law on Aug. 8, he got a firsthand glimpse of a technology that could transform the deserts of the Southwest. Instead of a sandy wasteland, there would be gleaming farms with thousands of giant dish-shaped mirrors measuring 37 feet in diameter. Each dish would track the sun and focus its heat rays on an oil-barrel-size contraption suspended out in front, harnessing the heat to drive a 25-kilowatt generator. typical, have you ever truly LOOKED at a desert? its not the moon people, there is a huge booming ecosystem that noone can seem to see behind all the sand (actually the sand is only a thin layer above the raw earth) there is plant and animal life that only begins to liven up at night, insects are rampant, and the whole thing is perfectly balanced around the water supply which is usually found as frost at night, and collected in plants as it becomes liquid just before sunrise. it is NOT a wasteland, you just have to know how to look at it. and now for the sake of a clean earth, you would destroy the only place humans dont WANT to go? Thankyou Jason, truly said indeed. No lawns so it's useless. I never did see a Bushman mowing his lawn. In this desert that looks like a paradise... Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] hiii
hiii evry1 I have recently joined this group.. I am from India, working with one of india's biggest oil companies..In india Bio diesel is produced from Jatropha .. thats a herb which grows very easily in wastelands... i would like to know if anyone in the group has produced Bio diesel from jatropha... i believe the process is same.. first transesterification using methanol in presence of base catalyst, and then washing... glycerol is obtained as byproduct.. comments?? regards MJ Manesh Jain Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd. Jind road, sangrur, Punjab, India - 148001 +91-9356216632 Disclaimer*** The information contained in this message is BPCL's Confidential and Proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, he/she is hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of its content is strictly prohibited. In such case, please advise the sender immediately and delete it from your system. Further acknowledge that any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so expressly with due authority of BPCL. *** winmail.dat___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BioDiesel, Hello, animal fat
Hello, My name is Juan and I am new into Biodiesel World, and I was wondering whether biodiesel can be done from straight Animal fat, (no processing animal fat) Thank you Juan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel, Hello, animal fat
Hello Juan, Yes, you can. You have to heat the fat so that it all liquifies. That happens at around 35-40C. Since processing temperature is 48-52C this really isn´t a problem. I would hot filter the material to remove any excess material that hasn´t melted. I have found that the ester does solidify at rather high temperatures (about 10-14C) so I only use it as a summer fuel in my area. Tom Irwin From: Juan B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:59:14 -0300Subject: [Biofuel] BioDiesel, Hello, animal fatHello,My name is Juan and I am new into Biodiesel World, and I was wondering whether biodiesel can be done from straight Animal fat, (no processing animal fat) Thank you Juan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hiii
Hi Manesh, A company called D1 Oils has received a fair bit of publicity (in the UK at least) in the last few months - it makes biodiesel from Jatropha in Ghana and some other African countries. Here's the URL: http://www.d1plc.com/ Thanks, Sam On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:14:20 +0200, manesh jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hiii evry1 I have recently joined this group.. I am from India, working with one of india's biggest oil companies..In india Bio diesel is produced from Jatropha .. thats a herb which grows very easily in wastelands... i would like to know if anyone in the group has produced Bio diesel from jatropha... i believe the process is same.. first transesterification using methanol in presence of base catalyst, and then washing... glycerol is obtained as byproduct.. comments?? regards MJ Manesh Jain Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd. Jind road, sangrur, Punjab, India - 148001 +91-9356216632 Disclaimer*** The information contained in this message is BPCL's Confidential and Proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, he/she is hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of its content is strictly prohibited. In such case, please advise the sender immediately and delete it from your system. Further acknowledge that any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so expressly with due authority of BPCL. *** -- Sam Critchley - mailing-list address A2B Location-Based Search Engine - http://www.a2b.cc - Find websites near a geographical location - Search using a GPS device or from a map - Register your blog and see your neighbours in blogland ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
Have you though about using SVO and modifing a vehicle instead of doing the BD? Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) *Raises a hand.* I'm another startup in SC. Upstate, Anderson/Greenville area. I too would be keenly interested in going and checking out someone else's setup, or maybe just having someone around to lend a hand if I try to blow something up on accident. (A joke, I assure you. Though it might be cool, be one of the first to actually blow something up instead of just catch it on fire. ^.~) Having a hard time finding Methanol; only place I've seen that actually carries it wants nine bloody dollars a gallon for it. And it's an hour's drive away. Eight local petroleum/heating oil/propane distributors, and not a single one of them carries or sells methanol, dangit. Peace all -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel, Hello, animal fat
Hello Juan. You can use any fatty acid material assuming that it meets the basic quality requirements for biodiesel production. With best regards Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Juan B To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:59 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BioDiesel, Hello, animal fat Hello,My name is Juan and I am new into Biodiesel World, and I was wondering whether biodiesel can be done from straight Animal fat, (no processing animal fat) Thank you Juan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processing Equipment
Do it. I started with a 50 litre cooking pot! Doug Foskey wrote: Sounds good. Long as the cost is OK. regards Doug On Wednesday 05 October 2005 8:31, Rob Perisic wrote: Hey guys, My name is Rob and I'm located in Perth, Western Australia. I'm very much a newbie to DIY Biodiesel processing but am very eager to collect the necessary equipment and materials needed to make my first batch. Obviously I'd start on a very small scale until I got the technique under control but an opportunity to purchase a hard-core piece of equipment has presented itself and I'd like to solicit some professional opinions. I have found someone who longer wants a 400L stainless steel distilling vat and I thought it might make a prefect biodiesel processor. Essentially it is a large drum with a conical base supported on legs and is about 2m in height. There are a few outlets at the base of the unit and access to the top of the drum is via a 30-35cm diameter hole. The top of the drum has a thick rim with holes where a mixing/heating unit could be attached. Having had no prior experience with either distilling/fermenting vats or biodiesel processing units, I was hoping someone could tell me what features I should be looking for and whether this unit would be a wise investment for future processing. Any help would be greatly apprciated. Regards, Rob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Emulsification during second wash
soap Ken Provost wrote: On Oct 4, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Ed Normandy wrote: Things always go bad during the the second wash. What happens is a third layer appears between the fuel and the water that looks like white tapioka pudding. AKA mayonnaise, but with chunks! :-) Any idea what is causing this? This is Emulsification during the Second Wash perhaps using a blender rather than a gentle stirring during the processing has something to do with it. I would think so, yes. Both first and second washes should be very gentle. I am also using canning jars and just adding water and shaking the jars for the wash. My process would not tolerate anything called shaking until it had been through two gentle washes. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions
As soon as it crosses the throat of your fuel tank, it's taxable, assuming it is an over the road vehicle. Keep a log and send a check. You can distribute BD as part of a coop, but you can't sell it w/o a lot of hassle. Kurt Nolte wrote: From what I understand, well, at least as it was explained to me by the DOT here in South Carolina, is that ianything/i used as a fuel on the roads has to have the road tax paid on it. It doesn't matter what it's being sold as, additive, fuel, or even tank cleaner, if you use it as your primary fuel source on the road and they find out about it, you will be fined and backtaxed (In the event of it not already having been taxed. I think technically you're supposed to pay the tax on any fuel you produce, as well, but I don't know about any kind of cut-off or buffer you have to fillbefore paying. Maybe it's something that could be individually worked out? I found all this out when I was looking into powering a car on Kerosene, which at the time was half the price of unleaded gasoline. I've been toying with the idea of, once I'm up and experienced with this, establishing a non-profit business to sell BD at-cost to local merchants and the bus systems (Schools and otherwise) just to help them free up some money to work on improvements they need to work on. But I'd have to hit some pretty massive capacities to be able to do that, thus the experienced part of the requirements. (The CATbus system alone burns through some two thousand gallons per week, by what I've figured.)) On 10/3/05, Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone familiar with any grants, (federal, preferably) for BD research/production? I'm sure they are out there, I just need to find them. Also, does anyone know where to look for the tax-break info for companies using BD, and what percentage BD they need to use to receive the benefit? And, lastly, I know you can make some number of gallons per year before you are expected to pay taxes. What's that number? And if you sell even 1 gallon, you're responsible for all the associated taxes, regardless of how many gallons you've made, right? I'm wondering, what if you sold it as an additive to people. Like "Come pick up 5 gallons and add it to your fuel tank", since it's sold as an "additive", think you still need to pay diesel taxes on it? Even if people ran it as B100, if you sold it as an additive, might you get out of liability? That would be like someone running "drigas" as their only fuel, legally I mean. Yes? No? Comments? Thanks! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?
I'm from the government and I'm here to help. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i bought a 100 gallon pasturizer at a school that was no longer pasturizing their milk. it seems the usda was making life unbearable for them. if i want to pasturize our milk and put it in a bottle the usda said i need to spend $50,000 on an automatic bottler and another $30,000 for a bathroom in the barn plus whtaever else they haven't told me about. Or if i sell straight from the cow the state will test it once a month and i can bottle the old fashioned way. anyway i was going to use it as a bd processor but, it doesn't seal well enough to prevent the methanol fumes from escaping. If it did it would be an ideal processor. I did find that small bottlers usually have an old one around, as they upgrade to the new pasturizers that are continuous, rather than bulk pasturizers. Yup. One thing France does well is cheese Fred Finch wrote: There is a cheesemaker that sells a raw sheepsmilk cheese that is to die for. But since she cannot legally sell raw milk cheeses of any kind she calls it "Catfood." Best damn catfood I ever tried. She has aged cheeses that are great too. Made locally and taste unbeleiveable. Sorry, no source on a pasturizer though. fred On 10/3/05, *Garth Kim Travis* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote: Oops. I want to use it as my BD reactor. I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here! Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Just curious, but why would you want one? Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% more in Texas than pasteurized. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote: A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer. I have seen them as small 30 gallons. Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device? Ebay has been pretty fruitless. I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup. -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Maher's closing bit
Nice! Joe Brian Rodgers wrote: A friend who recently returned from England to the US wrote: Yes, I'm back with a whole new perspective on politics here in America. Helloo, sheeple. We are being fed the White House line by the unquestioning TV news, and print journalism isn't much better. No one is searching for the truth, they're just swallowing the Bush spin whole. I watched the BBC news the last two weeks and then came back to see the same stories spun from the other side on our news. For example, according to US news outlets, there is great progress in training Iraqi troops to take over. According to BBC, ain't happening, ain't gonna happen anytime soon and may never happen. Who do you believe? Also, the Brits have a very poor opinion of the Dubya and question why their sons and daughters are also being sent to fight for the Bush dynasty oil. Good question. When I returned, I found a friend of mine had sent me this. I think it makes a very legitimate point. It's something Bill Maher said on his show, which I don't see often enough as I don't get premium cable. His closing bit the other night: Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you any more. There's no more money to spend--you used up all of that. You can't start another war because you used up the army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people. Listen to your Mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit cards maxed out. No one's speaking to you. Mission accomplished. Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your military service and the oil company and the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or space man? Now I know what you're saying: there's so many other things that you as President could involve yourself in. Please don't. I know, I know. There's a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela. Eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote. But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes. On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. So, yes, God does speak to you. What he is saying is: 'Take a hint.' ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
349 is about 120 too much. Those torpede heaters run on diesel, kero or bd. des wrote: I spent an hour trying to beat the price of methanol that I bought last time, from a race car enthusiast, who sold it to me for $3.50 / gallon. I called the local fuel / oil distributor, who has quite a monopoly in this small town, and his prices reflect that fact. Their current pricing is $349. plus tax for a 55 gallon drum, or $7.00 per gallon. Upon calling other nearby towns, I found it to be quite unavailable at other similar types of suppliers. (one receptionist was actually quite cold in her response, I assume the boss warned her about the druggie types that might be calling... Who knows...) So I guess I'm back to getting it from the race car enthusiast. Last time I bought it, I got 10 gallons, I've been sharing it, with a neighbor who has farm equipment, another neighbor who has a diesel Suburban, and using it myself in my diesel Datsun pickup. The 50 gallons I made with 10 gallons of methanol has lasted all of us over 2 months, (I'm the only one running more than B20, just been adding B100 to whatever is in the tank, my full tank is now close to 85% BD. and no evidence of rubber decomposition...) The Lye was made available to me through an industrial soap manufacturer in this small town, I've used about 1/3 of a gallon jug of the dry beads. Didn't weigh the jug full, so I can't say exactly how much I've used. On another note, I gave a friend a couple of gallons last week end, and he tried mixing it with kerosene for a heater that looks like a torpedo, or jet engine. (wish I could tell you what he calls it.) He reports that it burned well, good heat, smells like food, and no kerosene odor at all... doug swanson Brian Rodgers wrote: this sounds like good advice On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes. So this brings me back to the original question. How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?
Thanks! That about what I found. -Mike Jay Kathy Johnson wrote: www.hoeggergoatsupply.com www.caprinesupply.com have small (like 2 gal) pasteurizers. Maybe you can find a farm supply that carries something. I did a quick google search - but everything that I saw started at over $10,000! YIKES! Good luck, Kathy - Original Message - From: "Garth Kim Travis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer? Greetings, For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote: Oops. I want to use it as my BD reactor. I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here! Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Just curious, but why would you want one? Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% more in Texas than pasteurized. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote: A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer. I have seen them as small 30 gallons. Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device? Ebay has been pretty fruitless. I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup. -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Hi Jesse. Wrapped in R60? Hardly. This is one of the pre-OPEC oil-squeeze, early 70's cookie-cutter, suburban row-house energy nightmares. When I did some kitchen plumbing renovations, I found we had one section of exterior wall with no insulation in it at all. However, I elected to work with what we had, and to try pretty much everything (as time permits) that can reasonably be expected to cut fuel consumption while having a reasonable economic payback. The key has been to go for the easy wins first (pick the low hanging fruit). The original insulation in the attic when we bought it in 1987 was R-12. Now it is at least R-60 in most of the attic, and higher over the main stair case (convection chimney). My suggestion to the DIY crowd: the fibreglass batts are cheap compared to your time, so when you're doing the work anyway, put in lots. Don't stop at R- 40 because the conventional wisdom says that's the economical cut-off point. Fuel prices are going up, not down. If you do R-40 this year, and rising fuel prices change the conventional wisdom cut-off point to R-50 by next spring, how long will it be before you will go into the attic again to make another layer of improvement? The next best thing I did here was to really seal and insulate the ground floor joists at the exterior walls. The temperature in our basement went up 2 degrees C as a result of that one change. The point I keep trying to make is that it isn't one big thing that gets the desired end result; it's all the little things that add up to get there. Even with the changes I have made already, there are still things I want to do to further reduce our household conventional energy consumption. Darryl McMahon Date sent: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:31:01 -0400 From: mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Darryl, I'm STUNNED!!! Your house must be wrapped in R60. Congratulations for your efficient heating! Last January I paid $500 for natural gas heating FOR THAT MONTH alone. And yah, we did upgrade the insulation through that GreenSaver programme. That was the improved cost. Dang. Yup, I'm looking at your tips, yes please. Jesse [snip] I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hiii
Hello Manesh hiii evry1 I have recently joined this group.. I am from India, working with one of india's biggest oil companies..In india Bio diesel is produced from Jatropha .. thats a herb which grows very easily in wastelands... Jatropha is not a herb, it's a tree, and how well it grows in India is open to question. Please see this previous message about jatropha in India: http://snipurl.com/i6fv [Biofuel] Biofuel as a rural community developement project in Belize Poor results with jatropha in India. I know a lot of people are going ahead with planting jatropha there anyway, but I think that might have as much to do with the government subsidy for it as with the suitability of the crop. No edible seedcake from jatropha either. Lots of information about jatropha in the list archives. Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Best wishes Keith i would like to know if anyone in the group has produced Bio diesel from jatropha... i believe the process is same.. first transesterification using methanol in presence of base catalyst, and then washing... glycerol is obtained as byproduct.. comments?? regards MJ Manesh Jain Bharat Petroleum Corporation Ltd. Jind road, sangrur, Punjab, India - 148001 +91-9356216632 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] power from the sunbaked desert
There is a vast amount of wasteland suitable for installing solar collectors on, that truely is a wasteland as far as nature is concerned: Roofs of shopping malls and big box stores. Some of the larger stores can easily fit a MW of PV modules on the roof -- and there is no shortage of roofs around. On 10/5/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before President George W. Bush signed the federal energy bill into law on Aug. 8, he got a firsthand glimpse of a technology that could transform the deserts of the Southwest. Instead of a sandy wasteland, there would be gleaming farms with thousands of giant dish-shaped mirrors measuring 37 feet in diameter. Each dish would track the sun and focus its heat rays on an oil-barrel-size contraption suspended out in front, harnessing the heat to drive a 25-kilowatt generator. typical, have you ever truly LOOKED at a desert? its not the moon people, there is a huge booming ecosystem that noone can seem to see behind all the sand (actually the sand is only a thin layer above the raw earth) there is plant and animal life that only begins to liven up at night, insects are rampant, and the whole thing is perfectly balanced around the water supply which is usually found as frost at night, and collected in plants as it becomes liquid just before sunrise. it is NOT a wasteland, you just have to know how to look at it. and now for the sake of a clean earth, you would destroy the only place humans dont WANT to go? Thankyou Jason, truly said indeed. No lawns so it's useless. I never did see a Bushman mowing his lawn. In this desert that looks like a paradise... Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
I would, but the first vehicle it will be going into is my dad's F250, which is still under warranty. A little talking to with the dealer who sold it said they would still honor the warranty, even if I put B100 in the tank; good people, they are. So an SVO system is out, at least for the moment. ~_~ -KOn 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Have you though about using SVO and modifing a vehicle instead of doing the BD?Michael LendzianCINS Network Support TeamColumbus State UniversityCINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105706.569.3044 (help desk) *Raises a hand.* I'm another startup in SC. Upstate, Anderson/Greenville area. I too would be keenly interested in going and checking out someone else's setup, or maybe just having someone around to lend a hand if I try to blow something up on accident. (A joke, I assure you. Though it might be cool, be one of the first to actually blow something up instead of just catch it on fire. ^.~) Having a hard time finding Methanol; only place I've seen that actually carries it wants nine bloody dollars a gallon for it. And it's an hour's drive away. Eight local petroleum/heating oil/propane distributors, and not a single one of them carries or sells methanol, dangit. Peace all -K ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hiii
In india Bio diesel is produced from Jatropha .. thats a herb which grows very easily in wastelands... Hi everyone, I'm also new to biodiesel. Just wondering if anyone has come across any studies that compares different oil crops (jatropha, palm oil, rapeseed oil, soybeans, etc). which crop yields the highest volume of biodiesel per cultivated area? whether certain oil crop feedstocks have disadvantages or limitations for processing into biodisel? i'm sure there are reasons why certain geographic regions choose to cultivate different crops (climate, soil conditions, etc)palm oils in south east Asia, jatropha in India, soybeans in the US.etc Would be interested if anyone knows anything about this. Best, Tony ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Hello Andres Sorry for the delayed response. Hello Keith, On Friday, September 30, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Heh! I Have only met one person that has ever defended chickens. :-) You just met another one. As in, not to be killed chickens. :-) I'm in no position to argue against that. Most people have absolutely no qualms about killing chicken. I used to dislike them because they were scary to me. Got a few talons in the neck and forearms as a boy whilst stealing eggs. Not enough distance between their eyes for a decent brain. I don't agree with that at all. I've yet to meet a dumb chicken, and I've had to do with some bright ones, including currently. see below. There's a young cock here who understands quite a few English words, for instance. There's no doubt about it, it's quite obvious. He has a considerable vocabulary, some of it I can understand, or at least get the gist of it. He makes some very wry comments! Very sharp. His old man is more than sharp, he's *wise*. Dignified with it, and totally without fear. I have great respect for him. Cocks have one of the higher testicle to body mass ratios. Remember Zorba? They sure don't get tired! Amazing! LOL! I believe that most animals can 'see' our mental images. It's very easy to get animals to do what you want them to if you construct a mental image of them doing it. For example, sometimes i'd like a cow to walk through a particular gap in some trees, but not another, more accessible path. Just concentrate on the image of her walking through the one i want. It's a combination of an image from her point of view, and an image of me watching her walk. It's worked with dogs, cats, cattle, pigs, and horses, as well as some small owls that hang out around the farm. I wanted them change their nest to a particular place, so they wouldn't be hurt when we disced a field (they're burrowing owls). Maybe this sounds very woo-woo as Bob would say. I say, just try it sometime, it works. Keep your brain very still, and just construct the image. I'll go along with that. There are a few such things I think, along with body language, as said (yours and theirs), the way they learn to fit the sound of speech to different contexts, plus the words they do understand. But if you add it all up together, all the so-called practical parts of communicating with them, it doesn't account for 100% of what's going on. Fierce birds. Yes, but not only fierce. Tough, uncompromising society they live in. Not a rat race, a chicken run? :-) Aarghh!! LOL! Scaly feet. Propensity to crow at 4am. Sudden movements. They're *fast*! Instant reactions. I've watched them carefully with this, as far as I can tell the response comes at the same instant as the stimulus. Mirror mind, Zen chickens, LOL! Yes. rather like some of the things David Bohm or Karl Pribram were working on, implicate order, holonomic brain. Quantum chickens! Yes. It's hard to find a dumb animal, IMO, unless it's someone's pet. Look at this crow in this BBC video clip: http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/38185000/rm/ _38185047_crow_08aug_vi.ram Oh no, wasn't trying to suggest they were dumb, just that they scared me as a child because of the reduced distance between their eyes led me to fear the sort of brain they would have. Crows are known to be smarter than housecats, as are octopi! At least by our measures of intelligence. Octopi are not only smart, they're affectionate. I've got a video of a woman marine biologist and a very large octopus in what can only be called a hug (she called it a hug). Now sheep and turkeys, on the other hand... I don't think sheep are dumb. I had a sheep that formed an undying friendship with the housecat, they were inseparable. Dinosaur remnants. Yes. Clever trick, to grow feathers and a self-heating blood supply. Well, i've always thought dinosaurs were warm blooded, all along. And probably feathered as well. At least some of them. Or perhaps a hybrid system, like modern tunafish, with it's warm blooded muscles for speed of attack. You're probably right. I wonder if humans have some sort of genetic memory of being preyed upon by sharp beaked scaly legged creatures when we were but little critters that scurried in the shadows. :-) Been reading Bruce Chatwin? No. Will have to look him up. Chatwin was much exercised by what made us afraid of the dark. In the 60s and earlier the fashionable idea was of man the killer ape, violence and aggression come naturally to us, we can't fight our own inner nature after all. This idea isn't exactly extinct, and it's still used to rationalise quite a lot of things. Much of the scientific underpinning for it rested on the hominid fossil discoveries being made especially in South and East Africa. Piles of bones dug up in caves in the Transvaal showed that our forebears were cannibals, and murderers - an antelope thigh bone
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
Keith--thanks for the clarification on distillation. Everything we're working on right now is theoretical :) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
Yes but for me I am a re user of resources. I love to use what other people deem as waste and find a good use that doesnt require more energy energy dollars than the resource is worth. I like to rewash/reuse tin foil.you know what i mean. Although there is a plant in estill sc that is making bd out of soybean oil. I have not been to there plant yet. thanks Matheson[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you though about using SVO and modifing a vehicle instead of doing the BD?Michael LendzianCINS Network Support TeamColumbus State UniversityCINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105706.569.3044 (help desk)*Raises a hand.* I'm another startup in SC. Upstate, Anderson/Greenville area. I too would be keenly interested in going and checking out someone else's setup, or maybe just having someone around to lend a hand if I try to blow something up on accident. (A joke, I assure you. Though it might be cool, be one of the first to actually blow something up instead of just catch it on fire. ^.~)Having a hard time finding Methanol; only place I've seen that actually carries it wants nine bloody dollars a gallon for it. And it's an hour's drive away. Eight local petroleum/heating oil/propane distributors, and not a single one of them carries or sells methanol, dangit. Peace all-K___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions
For Arkansas, here is the response I got a couple of years ago from a friend at the state energy office. (with respect to fuel taxes) Bob, I talked with DFA Motor Fuels Tax and as you might expect, there is no straightforward answer. If you are burning the biodiesel in a ratio with diesel, then it is technically subject to the diesel tax rate of 22.5 cents per gallon because the biodiesel is being made a part of the volume of diesel fuel. The tax is normally collected at the distribution or wholesale level so you would be depriving the state of it's due revenues. If you're burning it as B100 then you would not be technically subject to the diesel tax because there is no specific reference in the regulations that identifies biodiesel as a fuel by itself. The spokesperson said in actuality, there will be no consequence to you or your organization, in either event, if you continue your small scale production and use until the issue is resolved at the policy level. As an aside, this situation might be considered a special fuel use for which no tax is currently paid, i.e. municipal buses, special needs buses, state government, etc. Interesting question. Mike Weaver wrote: As soon as it crosses the throat of your fuel tank, it's taxable, assuming it is an over the road vehicle. Keep a log and send a check. You can distribute BD as part of a coop, but you can't sell it w/o a lot of hassle. Kurt Nolte wrote: From what I understand, well, at least as it was explained to me by the DOT here in South Carolina, is that ianything/i used as a fuel on the roads has to have the road tax paid on it. It doesn't matter what it's being sold as, additive, fuel, or even tank cleaner, if you use it as your primary fuel source on the road and they find out about it, you will be fined and backtaxed (In the event of it not already having been taxed. I think technically you're supposed to pay the tax on any fuel you produce, as well, but I don't know about any kind of cut-off or buffer you have to fill before paying. Maybe it's something that could be individually worked out? I found all this out when I was looking into powering a car on Kerosene, which at the time was half the price of unleaded gasoline. I've been toying with the idea of, once I'm up and experienced with this, establishing a non-profit business to sell BD at-cost to local merchants and the bus systems (Schools and otherwise) just to help them free up some money to work on improvements they need to work on. But I'd have to hit some pretty massive capacities to be able to do that, thus the experienced part of the requirements. (The CATbus system alone burns through some two thousand gallons per week, by what I've figured.)) On 10/3/05, *Evergreen Solutions* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone familiar with any grants, (federal, preferably) for BD research/production? I'm sure they are out there, I just need to find them. Also, does anyone know where to look for the tax-break info for companies using BD, and what percentage BD they need to use to receive the benefit? And, lastly, I know you can make some number of gallons per year before you are expected to pay taxes. What's that number? And if you sell even 1 gallon, you're responsible for all the associated taxes, regardless of how many gallons you've made, right? I'm wondering, what if you sold it as an additive to people. Like Come pick up 5 gallons and add it to your fuel tank, since it's sold as an additive, think you still need to pay diesel taxes on it? Even if people ran it as B100, if you sold it as an additive, might you get out of liability? That would be like someone running drigas as their only fuel, legally I mean. Yes? No? Comments? Thanks! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
If you are still interested in seeing some production in action, the Environmental Action Group at Furman University in Greenville just started a program last year. I helped with getting it started, but graduated this spring and am no longer in the area, but the students there would probably be glad to show you what we've got set up, as we did that quite a bit last spring. Basically they are taking the oil from our dining services and converting it at a location on campus and then selling it to our facilities services for use in their equipment (at least last I heard). We were hoping to make about 50 gallons a week. If you (or anyone else) are interested in checking it out, let me know and I'll try to get you in contact with someone there! neal --- Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would, but the first vehicle it will be going into is my dad's F250, which is still under warranty. A little talking to with the dealer who sold it said they would still honor the warranty, even if I put B100 in the tank; good people, they are. So an SVO system is out, at least for the moment. ~_~ -K On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you though about using SVO and modifing a vehicle instead of doing the BD? Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) *Raises a hand.* I'm another startup in SC. Upstate, Anderson/Greenville area. I too would be keenly interested in going and checking out someone else's setup, or maybe just having someone around to lend a hand if I try to blow something up on accident. (A joke, I assure you. Though it might be cool, be one of the first to actually blow something up instead of just catch it on fire. ^.~) Having a hard time finding Methanol; only place I've seen that actually carries it wants nine bloody dollars a gallon for it. And it's an hour's drive away. Eight local petroleum/heating oil/propane distributors, and not a single one of them carries or sells methanol, dangit. Peace all -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first problem for first step help needed
First problems for the first step please help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do All the best Golan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Emulsification during second wash
Ed, The substance probably is soap. I've found that I can minimize soap formation by careful titration and by excluding water from the reaction: fresh methanol and lye, and check WVO for water. See JtF "Removing Water". The question is, why didn'tthe soapform during the first wash? I don't know. I've had an emulsion form on the second wash, not the first. It turned out that the BD wasthe product of an incompletereaction. You use the blender for processing, not for washing, correct? You shake the BD with clean water in the canning jars in order to wash it. This should be fine. After all, it is a good idea to do a "shake test" on a sample of BD before washing the batch ... sort of a preliminary quality test. You should get clear separation of BD (top) and water within 30 minutes. As for scaling up to 30 gal batches: My advise is to scale up slowly. Quality test your BD at each upscale. (JtF "Quality Tests": Reprocess a 1L batch - look for glycerine falling out. Dissolve 25ml BD in 225ml methanol ... undissolved residue = contaminants) I went from 1 2L test batches to a small 15L processor and all went fine. When I bumped up to a 30gal batch I got incomplete reactions and the emulsions during wash that can go with it. The washed and dried BD looked great, but produced more glycerine when a sample was reprocessed. Following advice from Keith Addison I scaled down the volume of the batches, increased temp. a few degrees, and increased processing time. It is often necessay to tweak the process as you scale up. It is much easier to wash good quality BD. It takes less time and is less expensive to process it right the first time than to have to reprocess a batch. Good Luck Tom - Original Message - From: Ed Normandy To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Emulsification during second wash I have made 4 test batches so far and each one has had good seperation with clear fuel at the top and one layer of dark brown byproduct on the bottom. The first wash turned out good on all batches with clear fuel on top and milky water on the bottom. Things always go bad during thethe second wash. What happens is athird layer appears between the fuel and the waterthat looks like white tapioka pudding. Any idea what is causing this? I have varied the amounts of methanol and lye for each batch but still get the same results at the second wash. perhaps using a blender rather than a gentle stirring during the processing has something to do with it. I am also using canning jars and just adding water and shaking the jars for the wash. I am ready with my tanks to start my first 30 gallon batch but don't want to waist the wvo until I know it will turn out ok. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Also I am in Northern Arkansas and would like to visit a working home made biodiesel processor that is close by. Ed Normandy Mountain Home, AR ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methoxide mixing question.
you can mix it at the mix pomp, this is the best. or you can use a static mixer before main reactor. Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking over some things in my head, mostly theorizing since I have yet to actually find a source of methanol in my local area that isn't being a pain and continuously asking to see my Hazmat permit... Do I actually need one? I'm only asking for a gallon, or less, of the stuff?Anyway, on to the theorizing. How do you all mix your methoxide into your oil? Pour it in slowly, or let it drip into the oil from a bin?I was wondering if maybe it would mix better if you introduced it at the mixer pump. Oil goes through the pump, and comes out the other side with just a little methoxide added into it. This gets churned into the batch-at-large, and then as it gets worked to the bottom it goes back through the pump again, getting a little more methoxide added, and so on until all of it's added. Just thinking perhaps it's a more direct method of introducing it, maintaining an even distribution and a slow but thorough mix of the chemicals into the oil.Any thoughts?-K___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hello Mike and Chris, thanks for the input. Yes, Mike, that is the idea I am trying to conceptualize- similar to the US Coops, it seems to me that if an organized group of well-intentioned people got together and decided to make biodiesel or ethanol for their own consumption, then no one should prevent them from doing that. And I'm sure there will be many interested in doing just that, especially in the remote provincial areas and islands. My role would then be focused on (a) teaching them the technology -technology transfer - and (b) perhaps supplying them with the vegetable oil - as Chris pointed out, there are some places where coconut oil is not even being produced despite the abundance of coconuts, for example in Mindoro. Why the coop concept? Well, primarily because in the Philippines, as in most third world countries, once politicians and big businessmen, and in this case Big Oil, get involved in something it is almost assured to fail - or people eventually lose interest when they can see that only a few are getting rich(er) and the benefits do not trickle down to the grassroots level. The workaround is to fly under the radar - keep the operations small so that the impact is felt right in the community - and then do that over and over again in as many small barrios and islands you can. Try to build a good working relationship between the coops, have them talk often and exchange ideas. In other words, build the technolgy from the ground-up, instead of waiting, hoping and praying for redemption from heaven above, ie the government and big business padrinos. That way, regardless of what happens in Manila, how many presidents are impeached, how many coup d'etat attempts, those who need it most, the farmers and fishermen, will continue to have a good, reliable and non polluting source of fuel. You know what - just as I was writing this, it occured to me that perhaps a non-profit NGO or foundation might work just as well. Let me take a swat at translating what looks like the relevant part of Senbel's attempt to discourage competition from cooperatives: Kaya ba ng mga kooperatiba na gumawa ng biodiesel? *-Are cooperatives able to make biodiesel? -* Hindi pa po. Napakaimportante na malaman ang tungkol sa coconut methyl ester at biodiesel. Kahit na sinong tao na may basic knowledge sa paggawa ng methyl ester ay kayang gumawa ng coconut methyl ester. Subalit, kakaunting kumpanya ang may kakayahan na gumawa nito at makamit ang espesipekasyon ng B100 biodiesel. Kailangan din ng mga pasilidad para mas kontrolado ang mga produktong nangangailangan ng waste water control treatment at proseso. Kailangan ng ibang pasilidad para dito. *-Not yet sir. It is very important to know (or learn) about coconut methyl ester and biodiesel. Any person with basic knowledge in making methyl ester can make coconut methyl ester. However, very few companies have the capability to make this and achieve the specification of B100 biodiesel. It is necessary also to have the facility (capability) in order to better control the product that needs waster water control treatment and process. Other facilities are needed for this. -* Sounds pretty hokey to me. All this gobbledygook is saying (to me) is that: (a) one should understand the process - a good point. (b) anyone making biodiesel may or may not meet the B100 specifications, which are themselves either vague or non-existent anyway. and (c) one needs to be aware that there will be waste water which will require proper treatment before it can be discharged into the environment - (is this true?) a good point if true as we don't want to solve one problem while creating another, plus I'm sure a well conceived design would take into account the waste water and build in some way to put it back into the environment beneficially. Reading between the lines, it almost sounds like a veiled threat (ie, we'll report you to the authorities for polluting if you try to compete with us) Having said all that, I really don't see anything that says it's illegal for a group of farmers or fishermen to band together and make their own biodiesel - or for a non-profit organization. The trouble may arise if/when someone tries to SELL the product, because then the regulators and internal revenue people will involve themselves, not to mention the police chief, army commander, and maybe even the New People's Army taxation branch. In short, Chris, as you pointed out, we should first focus on coconut oil supply, even to the extent that we may have to set up our own extaction plants, and treat the making of biodiesel (and Ethanol) as a sideline or hobby, at least initially, so we don't attract too much attention from the dark side. What do you guys think? Those are just my thought. Always happy to hear from you guys. best regards, Mon On 9/30/05, Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mon, The pamphlet doesn't say directly that coops are not allowed to make
Re: [Biofuel] hiii
Hello again When the Biofuel list first discussed jatropha five years or so ago the main source of jatropha information was and perhaps still is Reinhard Henning's website: http://www.jatropha.de/ The Jatropha System - An Integrated Approach of Rural Development in Tropical Subtropical Countries Reinhard was a list member for quite a long time. These are some of the list discussions: http://snipurl.com/i6ig Search results for 'Reinhard +jatropha' Here are some other jatropha sources: Pushing back the barriers to sustainable development -- An example from Mali, West Africa, by Kate Burrell. report on local energy self-reliance technology transfer by the Mali-Folkecenter, with 1920s-style Lister diesels, a Nepalese plant-oil press, and oil from jatropha trees. 344kb Acrobat file: http://www.malifolkecenter.org/lowersection/pressreleases/Jatropha%20a rticle%20MFC.pdf Jatropha at the Mali-Folkecenter -- MFC has been working with Jatropha since 1999, focusing on Jatropha production and use, planting, use as a living hedge, soap making, multi-functional platforms, as diesel-fuel substitute. Information on Jatropha, properties, cultivation, the Jatropha multi-task energy platform, MFC Jatropha Projects. http://www.malifolkecenter.org/lowersection/Dep3_NRM/jatropha/mfc_jatr opha_intro.html Conversion of pick-up to run on jatropha (pourghere) oil (November 2001) -- Conversion of a Toyota pick-up, work-horse of the Mali rural energy NGO the Mali-Folkecenter, to run on jatropha oil. In a simple procedure taking only 1 day of work, the car's standard 2.8-litre diesel engine was converted to run on pourghere oil by an engineer from the German company Elsbett at a workshop in Bamako, Mali. http://www.malifolkecenter.org/lowersection/Dep5_TD/dep5_TD_pick-up%20conv.html Anyway, any native crop grows well on wastelands. How many pesky local weeds produce oil? I received this email inquiry: In my country there is a kind of euphorbia that is a disease for the farmers and i want to know if it is feasible to convert this plant seeds in oil for biodiesel production. Euphorbia, aka the Petroleum plant: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Euphorbia_tirucalli.html Euphorbia tirucalli http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Euphorbia_lathyris.html Euphorbia lathyris Then there's the Diesel tree: ...a single tree is said to yield about 40 litres. (Grieve, 1931, reprinted 1974). Quoting nobel-laureate Calvin, Maugh says (1979), Natives ... drill a 5 centimeter hole into the 1-meter thick trunk and put a bung into it. Every 6 months or so, they remove the bung and collect 15 to 20 liters of the hydrocarbon. Since there are few Rabbit diesels in the jungle, the natives use the hydrocarbon as an emollient and for other nonenergy-related purposes. But tests have shown, he says, that the liquid can be placed directly in the fuel tank of a diesel-powered car. Copaifera langsdorfii Desf. - Caesalpiniaceae - Diesel tree http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Copaifera_langsdorfii.html The Petroleum nut: Pittosporum resiniferum http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Pittosporum_resiniferum.html The Candlenut: Aleurites moluccana http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Aleurites_moluccana.html Jojoba http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Simmondsia_chinensis.html Ben-oil tree http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Moringa_oleifera.html Honge Oil as diesel fuel in India http://www.goodnewsindia.com/Pages/content/discovery/honge.html And so on. We've hardly scratched the surface yet of potential biofuels crops, there are hundreds of options, and no single best solution, IMHO, govt. subsidy or not. Best wishes Keith Hello Manesh hiii evry1 I have recently joined this group.. I am from India, working with one of india's biggest oil companies..In india Bio diesel is produced from Jatropha .. thats a herb which grows very easily in wastelands... Jatropha is not a herb, it's a tree, and how well it grows in India is open to question. Please see this previous message about jatropha in India: http://snipurl.com/i6fv [Biofuel] Biofuel as a rural community developement project in Belize Poor results with jatropha in India. I know a lot of people are going ahead with planting jatropha there anyway, but I think that might have as much to do with the government subsidy for it as with the suitability of the crop. No edible seedcake from jatropha either. Lots of information about jatropha in the list archives. Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Best wishes Keith i would like to know if anyone in the group has produced Bio diesel from jatropha... i believe the process is same.. first transesterification using methanol in presence of base catalyst, and then washing... glycerol is obtained as byproduct.. comments?? regards
Re: [Biofuel] hiii
Hello Tony In india Bio diesel is produced from Jatropha .. thats a herb which grows very easily in wastelands... Hi everyone, I'm also new to biodiesel. Just wondering if anyone has come across any studies that compares different oil crops (jatropha, palm oil, rapeseed oil, soybeans, etc). which crop yields the highest volume of biodiesel per cultivated area? whether certain oil crop feedstocks have disadvantages or limitations for processing into biodisel? i'm sure there are reasons why certain geographic regions choose to cultivate different crops (climate, soil conditions, etc)palm oils in south east Asia, jatropha in India, soybeans in the US.etc ... oilseed rape in Europe and so on. I wonder how much does it have to do with yields and how much with subsidies and powerful lobbying groups, Big Soy, eg, in the US, like Big Corn, Big Sugar and Big everything else, since biofuels are still widely regarded as agricultural commodities rather than an energy issue. Also I think what you're looking at all too often with these mainstream crops is industrialised agriculture, wall-to-wall monocrops with heavy fossil-fuel inputs, hardly the best way of producing allegedly clean green sustainable biofuels. Even so, yield is not the only factor, maybe not even a very important factor. It might be more economical to grow a lower-yielding crop if it has more useful by-products or requires fewer inputs or less labour or it fixes more soil nitrogen or fits a crop rotation better, or fits an integrated on-farm biofuels production system better. Best wishes Keith Would be interested if anyone knows anything about this. Best, Tony ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Still looking
In upstate South Carolina near Clemson, still looking for a methanol supplier for aroun $5/gallon or less. Anyone know of one? Thanks, Bobby Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] power from the sunbaked desert
There is a vast amount of wasteland suitable for installing solar collectors on, that truely is a wasteland as far as nature is concerned: Roofs of shopping malls and big box stores. Some of the larger stores can easily fit a MW of PV modules on the roof -- and there is no shortage of roofs around. It makes sense to green the roofs (if not the desert). Maybe there's room for both. http://www.cnn.com/2001/NATURE/01/01/rooftop.gardens.enn/index.html Green rooftop technology saves energy, cools air - January 1, 2000 http://www.foodshare.net/toolbox_roof01.htm Food Share: Rooftop Gardening -- Introduction Rooftop garden types Things to consider What you'll need Resources, Links and Sources http://www.cityfarmer.org/subrooftops.html Rooftops and Urban Agriculture - City Farmer, Canada's Office of Urban Agriculture http://www.freetropolis.com/Main/Home/Gardening/Gardens/Rooftop Rooftop Gardening resources Best Keith On 10/5/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before President George W. Bush signed the federal energy bill into law on Aug. 8, he got a firsthand glimpse of a technology that could transform the deserts of the Southwest. Instead of a sandy wasteland, there would be gleaming farms with thousands of giant dish-shaped mirrors measuring 37 feet in diameter. Each dish would track the sun and focus its heat rays on an oil-barrel-size contraption suspended out in front, harnessing the heat to drive a 25-kilowatt generator. typical, have you ever truly LOOKED at a desert? its not the moon people, there is a huge booming ecosystem that noone can seem to see behind all the sand (actually the sand is only a thin layer above the raw earth) there is plant and animal life that only begins to liven up at night, insects are rampant, and the whole thing is perfectly balanced around the water supply which is usually found as frost at night, and collected in plants as it becomes liquid just before sunrise. it is NOT a wasteland, you just have to know how to look at it. and now for the sake of a clean earth, you would destroy the only place humans dont WANT to go? Thankyou Jason, truly said indeed. No lawns so it's useless. I never did see a Bushman mowing his lawn. In this desert that looks like a paradise... Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methanol Supplier -
Bobby, There is a petroleum dealer in Eastman, Ga that to you (minimum 3x55 gallon barrels). I bought 3 for $450. They are very good to do business with and ask few questions. They might do a shipment for you. I know for a fact that they delivered to me in LA (lower ALABAMA!) yes- I know I got you there... I am pretty sure that they have delivered as far as Mobile, AL too. If they ask, tell them you have a race car. Let me know if you want some more details. -Michael ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hoodia Gordonii ?
List members, Does anybody know about this hard-to-find supplement for weight loss? It comes from a very rare cactus plant in South Africa. I have a weight problem which could lead soon to diabetes. There is a meager amount of information on the web of real value, a program on 60 minutes aired recently. I missed it. There are supposed to be alot of fake Hoodia G. products on the market now. I would like to know if any of you very respectible list members have heard about Hoodia Gordonii. Anywhere in the world Is Hoodia Gordonii the real thing? Or the latest scam? Thanks for looking at this email. Respectfully submitted, Michael in Alabama ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hoodia Gordonii ?
Michael: Since herbal supplements are NOT regulated by the FDA, it's "buyer beware" (not that I had much faith in the FDA to begin with). Some herbs are extremely dangerous: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62671-2004Sep4.html I hope that you're also watching what you take in. Americans are among the fattest people in the world because ofhuge subsidies to the beef industry and the popular use of high fructose corn syrupin processed foods. I'm sorry I don't have the information that you are looking for. However, I hope you find this post useful. Good luck! Mike[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List members,Does anybody know about this hard-to-find supplement for weight loss? It comes from a very rare cactus plant in South Africa.I have a weight problem which could lead soon to diabetes.There is a meager amount of information on the web of real value, a program on 60 minutes aired recently. I missed it. There are supposed to be alot of fake Hoodia G. products on the market now.I would like to know if any of you very respectible list members have heard about Hoodia Gordonii. Is Hoodia Gordonii the real thing? Or the latest scam?Thanks for looking at this email.Respectfully submitted, Michael in Alabama___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hoodia Gordonii ?
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: List members, Does anybody know about this hard-to-find supplement for weight loss? It comes from a very rare cactus plant in South Africa. I have a weight problem which could lead soon to diabetes. There is a meager amount of information on the web of real value, a program on 60 minutes aired recently. I missed it. There are supposed to be alot of fake Hoodia G. products on the market now. I would like to know if any of you very respectible list members have heard about Hoodia Gordonii. Anywhere in the world Is Hoodia Gordonii the real thing? Or the latest scam? Thanks for looking at this email. Respectfully submitted, Michael in Alabama If this is the stuff that I'm thinking of, then it is a plant that has its genetics under a patent that feeds the money back to the locals in the area where it comes from. It's a bush that when chewed, suppresses the appetite, induces a very slight euphoric effect and apparently also has quite a stimulating effect on the bed flute. Drug companies are looking at the active ingredients for use in weight reduction tablets as the tablets can be brought to market quickly. The reason for this is that the locals in the area where the bush grows, which is a desert area in Southern Africa, have been eating/chewing this stuff for centuries with no perceived side effects - the men would take a small supply of this rather than food when going off on several day hunting trips. The article I read this info in is about a year old and they where still talking about a few years until it appears in medical form. Apparently Southern Africa is the only place it grows and since its discovery by western medicine, the locals have been very protective of it. I would be very surprised if there are any herbal medicines out there that contain the real thing. These are my rambling recollections of the stuff, but then again you may be talking about a different plant to what I've just described!!! It's food for thought anyway. Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] methoxide solution
hello, I was wondering whether or not methoxide solution would melt any kind of plastics containers. Its quite difficult to find a small plastic container that with the international code 2. I can only find containers that are use to put mayo or ketchup. could someone advice me in this ? thank you Juan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FYI
Bunge announces European biodiesel joint venture Bunge Ltd. announced that its European subsidiary, KBBV, and Diester Industrie received approval from the European Commission to create a joint venture specializing in the production and marketing of biodiesel (vegetable oil methyl ester). The new company will be called Diester Industrie International, and will group together Bunge and Diester Industrie's biodiesel assets in Europe, except those in France. Diester Industrie will own 60% of the joint venture and Bunge 40%. Total production capacity is expected to reach more than 430,000 tons. Bunge's European oilseed processing operations will supply a significant portion of the vegetable oil used by DII to create biodiesel. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
On 10/6/05, Ramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems to me that if an organized group ofwell-intentioned people got together and decided to make biodiesel orethanol for their own consumption Myrole would then be focused on (a) teaching them the technology -technology transfer - and (b) perhaps supplying them with thevegetable oil - as Chris pointed out, there are some places wherecoconut oil is not even being produced despite the abundance ofcoconuts, for example in Mindoro. Hi Mon, Where will you get the funding for this? This is good direction to take. I would be interested to help. Louie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hiii
wondering if anyone has come acrossany studies that compares different oil crops (jatropha, palm oil, rapeseed oil, soybeans, etc).which crop yields the highest volumeof biodiesel per cultivated area? Hi Keith, Thanks for your posts. I've also done a little bit of searching and have stumbled upon this slightly dated report: Fuel Production Potential of Several Agricultural Crops @ http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1990/v1-260.html#Table%202 The study also is quite limited per oil crop types though. Like you mention, It might be more economical to grow a lower-yielding crop if it has more useful by-products such as the protein value as listed in the table perhaps (which I assume is the residual after oil extraction, eg soybean meal). Best, Tony ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lookin for grants and a few more questions
That's what I'm wondering. I think it's time to call the State. ~Thanks~ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Still looking
Hey Bobby, same boat. Anderson/Pendleton Area. Closest thing I've found so far is $6.60/gallon... or so. And they'll have to order it, which of course will inevitably drive up the cost. Pool our resources? -KOn 10/5/05, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In upstate South Carolina near Clemson, still looking for a methanolsupplier for aroun $5/gallon or less. Anyone know of one?Thanks,Bobby Clark___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hoodia Gordonii ?
Hello Michaels Michael: Since herbal supplements are NOT regulated by the FDA, it's buyer beware (not that I had much faith in the FDA to begin with). Some herbs are extremely dangerous: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62671-2004Sep4.htmlh ttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62671-2004Sep4.html I hope that you're also watching what you take in. Americans are among the fattest people in the world because of huge subsidies to the beef industry and the popular use of high fructose corn syrup in processed foods. Stay away from refined carbohydrates, stay away from processed foods, try to stick with locally grown fresh products. But beef does not cause obesity. Best wishes Keith I'm sorry I don't have the information that you are looking for. However, I hope you find this post useful. Good luck! Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List members, Does anybody know about this hard-to-find supplement for weight loss? It comes from a very rare cactus plant in South Africa. I have a weight problem which could lead soon to diabetes. There is a meager amount of information on the web of real value, a program on 60 minutes aired recently. I missed it. There are supposed to be alot of fake Hoodia G. products on the market now. I would like to know if any of you very respectible list members have heard about Hoodia Gordonii. Is Hoodia Gordonii the real thing? Or the latest scam? Thanks for looking at this email. Respectfully submitted, Michael in Alabama ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hoodia Gordonii ?
Hi Keith, "But beef does not cause obesity." I don't totally disagree but, compared to what? Atkinshas made it abundantly clear to the publicin the US that refined carbohydratesare one of the most threatening foods to someone fighting obesity. However, the claim made in my previous post about the beef lobby in the US came from a report by Peter Jennings called "How to Get Fat Without Really Trying". It asserts that if beef is disproportionallysubsidizedcompared to vegetable farmers, the savings is seen by those with the least amount of money. In those scenarios, people will choose more calories for the buck. So, put in that context and making the observation that the subsidies (beef vs. vegetable) is inversely proportional to thosein Europe, one can argue that beef can cause obesity if people are compelled to make certain choices based on economics. Commentary on the story by The Strategic Alliance for Healthy Food and Activity Environments (http://www.preventioninstitute.org/sa/PR_jennings.html). "Mr. Jennings begins in the farmlands of America, examining agricultural subsidies and their impact on the American diet. He found that most agricultural subsides go to the foods Americans should be eating less. Nutritionists and health advocates say these policies are contributing to obesity. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson tells Mr. Jennings that agricultural subsidies are based on political decisions that are not likely to change soon." Of course, whether or not beef contributes to obesity depends on what you compare it to. If there were two people, one eating nothing but steak (for example) and the other only vegetables, I would not hesitate to offer an opinion as towhich one is more threatened.MikeKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello MichaelsMichael:Since herbal supplements are NOT regulated by the FDA, it's "buyer beware" (not that I had much faith in the FDA to begin with). Some herbs are extremely dangerous:h ttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62671-2004Sep4.htmlI hope that you're also watching what you take in. Americans are among the fattest people in the world because of huge subsidies to the beef industry and the popular use of high fructose corn syrup in processed foods.Stay away from refined carbohydrates, stay away from processed foods, try to stick with locally grown fresh products. But beef does not cause obesity.Best wishesKeith___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
