on 8/2/02 4:36 AM, Mike Johnston at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I was only back for a few hours tonight but it was a very productive
few hours. You see John Grill from the h2view list sent out some remarks
on Biodiesel and it just so happens I had been fooling with the idea of
producing a
Not that David Pimental will take any notice...
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020802/cgf036_1.html
Friday August 2, 4:10 pm Eastern Time
Press Release
SOURCE: National Corn Growers Association
USDA Report Supports NCGA Claims that Ethanol is Efficient to Produce
WASHINGTON, Aug. 2 /PRNewswire/
http://soybeandigest.com/ar/soybean_us_versus_world/index.htm
U.S. Versus The World: In Europe, biodiesel's king. In Brazil, ethanol rules.
Soybean Digest staff
Soybean Digest, Aug 1, 2002
Biodiesel is old news to German farmers - really old. Germany, as
well as a big portion of the European
It'd pay even better if they made it themselves.
http://soybeandigest.com/ar/soybean_buying_beans_back/index.htm
Buying Your Beans Back: Farmers say it pays to buy biodiesel
Soybean Digest staff
Soybean Digest, Aug 1, 2002
If you farm but don't use biodiesel, you need to ask yourself why.
Thanks, Todd (and Steve Spence too). I understand the point about
skipping fossil fuels entirely. What would be the best approach to
obtaining a good particle trap / catalytic converter solution? Would a
catalytic converter salvaged from an automobile work? I have seen some
HUGE catalytic
I've done several extrapolations of oil consumption using a
spreadsheet, and the oil reserve information provided by BP World Oil
Statistics website:
http://www.bp.com/centres/energy/world_stat_rev/oil/reserves.asp
A straight linear extrapolation of oil consumption indicates that all
the
womplex_oo1 wrote:
I've done several extrapolations of oil consumption using a
spreadsheet, and the oil reserve information provided by BP World Oil
Statistics website:
http://www.bp.com/centres/energy/world_stat_rev/oil/reserves.asp
A straight linear extrapolation of oil consumption indicates
Hoagy wrote:
What looming water problems, any waterway /or beach closing issues ?
Good grief Hoagy, where've you been?? Water is a vast, wordwide
crisis. It's killing lots of people.
I'm going to sink your battleship.
Keith
West and Central Africa -- 20m people in six countries rely on
Murdoch wrote:
snip
The technology you cite is interesting, although my initial take is
that it's not the be-all end-all appropriate for everywhere, but worth
pursuing only for some communities, depending on the exact needs and
size. I am skeptical of the heavy metal treatment claims made for
The interesting thing with Hubbard and his peak calculations, is
that his testimony in front of the US congress has largely hold
water. If I remember right, it was more than a quarter century ago.
His predictions was not applied to the whole world, but to known
oil reserves. i.e. US passed the
Sorry, North sea should be early 90's, before keith discover my typo.
Hakan
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Dear Keith,
My point about oil reserves, is that it does not matter if the predictions
are wrong with a few hundreds of percent, the situation is fatal as it
is. We share the opinion that, for many reasons, big efforts on bio
fuels must taken now.
Hakan
At 10:44 PM 8/4/2002 +0900, you wrote:
One of the demonstrations to promote soy diesel was running a forklift in a
warehouse. Try this with dino fuel and you will see what they are promoting.
Your selection of fuel is the single largest thing you can do to reduce
toxins.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Witmer
Keith,
I think you've accidently hit on the best answer to our
energy problems. If we were to process all the politicians,
we'd have a huge reserve of oil. LOL
And do it NOW - and not just because of Hubbert's Peak.
Not even
because of Hubbert's Peak, there are far more pressing
reasons
Kris,
Sorry, to high water content, not feasible.
Hakan
At 08:05 AM 8/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Keith,
I think you've accidently hit on the best answer to our
energy problems. If we were to process all the politicians,
we'd have a huge reserve of oil. LOL
And do it NOW - and not just
I'm going to sink your battleship.
In what water?
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I'm going to sink your battleship.
Keith
PS:
This was a great summary. Takes a lot of work. I forwarded it to
several people who have expressed interest to me in water-specific
issues. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the people I
forwarded it to, an editor of an online mag, would
Dear Hakan
I think we agree. I also think it doesn't matter. I believe our
reasons are somewhat different, but, thinking about it, maybe they're
not so different after all.
The situation will be fatal, yes, unless we do something about it. I
think I do rather mean we. The authorities,
I'm going to sink your battleship.
In what water?
The sea.
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Hi M
I'm going to sink your battleship.
Keith
PS:
This was a great summary. Takes a lot of work.
It's part of a job I was doing and had to postpone, so it's a few
months out of date, doesn't make much difference though. It's just a
compilation of news pieces mainly, there was more to
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WTK: tweaks and add-ons to make *stationary* diesels
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The real question is, Should biofuels be used to preserve the
status quo with a green conscience, or applied only in those
venues where consumers are already exercising a green
conscience?
In other words, should a biodiesel manufacturer sell his or her
fuel to a construction company that removes
Dear Todd,
This kind of thinking is not productive and if applied, it would
lead to unwanted side effects. It was the reason for the 1973
oil crises and recently Saddam Hussein tried to pull it off
again. Who is the judge and who has the rights, for sure it
is neither Saddam Hussein nor US or
Does anybody out there have ideas about making other products from WVO, such as
hydraulic fluid or transmission fluid? Are these possible? If so, what is the
process? I am no chemist, but I can follow a recipe.
Bill C.
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Biofuel at
I heard that this while this is possable, you need to change the oil, every
few hundred miles. Whats the truth?
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 18:02
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WTK: tweaks and
This is true. Even fuel efficiency does not go to the heart of the matter
since people just do more of it, the more economical you make it for them.
A conserver lifestyle, and sustainability thinking, are very much a part of
making biofuels a viable contributor to the overall basket of the many
Dear Hakan:
The only thing that counts at the end is financial success.
Do you hear yourself, sir? It is that exclusive form of accounting (and
thinking!) that has gotten us into this mess, and it is most assuredly not
the way out of it.
Keep away from politics? Politics is life. You can't
Not from WVO, but we can make from SVO all sorts of lubricants.
Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
Located in the Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada
1-250-768-3169 Fax: 1-250-768-3118
Toll-Free (Canada/USA): 1-866-768-3169
http://www.biofuels.ca
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on
Canola and HOSO (high oleic sunflower oil) lubricating oils already exist
and are proving themselves nicely.
Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
Located in the Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada
1-250-768-3169 Fax: 1-250-768-3118
Toll-Free (Canada/USA): 1-866-768-3169
http://www.greenoil-online.com/ is one source of lubricating oils from
vegetable oil.
-- Original Message --
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:43:48 -0700
Not from WVO, but we can
RE: Greenoil -
When that US company started out, they got their oil - Canola oil - from Red
Deer, Alberta. I am not sure where they source their base oils now.
Cargill also offers some technical oils based on Canola.
---
As for Neoteric's lines (and more information will be posted soon
Any comments on the CTV News clip a couple of nights ago re biofuel?
POC
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote:
Canola and HOSO (high oleic sunflower oil) lubricating oils already exist
and are proving themselves nicely.
Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
Located in
Hakan,
I would hope that you could elaborate on your thought process as
to how delivery of biofuels to precise markets, preferably
markets that are already praciticing or exibiting green
conscience, is a direct corollary to any historical oil supply
restrictions initiated by Mid-East nation
please do not use biodiesel (even sort of) as a description for
non-transesterified vegetable oil. It's confusing at best, and misleading at
worst.
Steve Spence
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You'd have to ask Ira where he sources his raw material. I doubt he'd tell
you ;-)
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- Original Message -
Sigh ...
What can I say?? I AGREE with both of you ... and yet
I DISAGREE with both of you...
Oh well
Curtis
--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hakan,
-snip-
And not to be intentionally contrary, but I hesitate
at great length to agree that The
You say gold was once trading at $35/oz and is now trading at
$200/oz., which makes all kinds of new gold mines economically viable
that weren't before? First, your quote on the price of gold isn't
correct, according to the 24-hr live-line gold is currently trading
at $307.10/oz.
Yeah, I once heard about the $6.00 per gallon too. I
heard that the only reason why we only see $1.xx per
gallon is because the majority is subsidized by
tax-payer's money.
So how's alternative energy gonna compete?? The
fossil fuel user pays $6.00 per gallon. $1.00/gal at
the pump + $5/gal
I suppose you could start by stating where it is and with what
that you agree or disagree.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hubbert Peak
Sigh ...
There are a lot of things to disagree with in Margaret Mead's writings,
but that quote sure isn't one of them. It really hits the nail on the
head. When most people are just going along for the ride (through
life), a small percentage of dedicated people with a vision can
determine the course
Well, he might, since its just oil of whatever type, blend, and technical
spec at that stage, and then the additives of his own go in - he's the guy
that told me he started out getting it packaged in Red Deer.
But in any case, I am not interested where he gets his base oil, the base
oils are
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What looming water problems, any waterway /or beach closing issues ?
I guess you mean this question seriously. It seems like every day now
I see a report on TV about the present drought which has been
afflicting what I guess is now a majority of the Sates
Hoagy wrote:
What looming water problems, any waterway /or beach closing issues ?
Good grief Hoagy, where've you been?? Water is a vast, wordwide
crisis. It's killing lots of people.
I'm going to sink your battleship.
Keith
Battleship! All I've got is a canoe.
Fire at will --
Just don't get burnt out over it. Inevitably, for those who
choose to look long term enough, both the Ying and the Yang
compliment each other, not contradict.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 04,
Cool. I can live with this :-)
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From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Steve
Make more water?
How about make more water available for the right purposes. We
could start with squashing the golf courses in deserts. Then move
on to mandatory grey water and cistern projects in all
municipalities nation(s)wide. Couple those with national victory
garden efforts. (You would
A acre is about 209 feet squared x 2,635,878 acres divide by 285 million
equals 404.623 square feet per person OR about 20 feet squared per capita.
How do you get from 404 to 20? How is per person different from
per capita?
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
I'm reducing my water needs by collecting rainwater, and using composting
toilets. greywater recovery is used for irrigation.
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womplex_oo1 wrote:
You say
No, I quoted someone else who said so.
gold was once trading at $35/oz and is now trading at
$200/oz., which makes all kinds of new gold mines economically viable
that weren't before? First, your quote on the price of gold isn't
correct, according to the 24-hr
MH wrote:
Whats the solution ?
Can we make more water ?
The single most useful step at the present time would be to prevent
water pollution in the first place. Removal of pollutants after their
dispersion is highly impractical. If we stop adding ever greater
quantities of pollutants to
Hello Christopher
MH wrote:
Whats the solution ?
Can we make more water ?
The single most useful step at the present time would be to prevent
water pollution in the first place. Removal of pollutants after their
dispersion is highly impractical. If we stop adding ever greater
quantities
Not that David Pimental will take any notice...
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020802/cgf036_1.html
Friday August 2, 4:10 pm Eastern Time
Press Release
SOURCE: National Corn Growers Association
USDA Report Supports NCGA Claims that Ethanol is Efficient to Produce
WASHINGTON, Aug. 2 /PRNewswire/
http://soybeandigest.com/ar/soybean_us_versus_world/index.htm
U.S. Versus The World: In Europe, biodiesel's king. In Brazil, ethanol rules.
Soybean Digest staff
Soybean Digest, Aug 1, 2002
Biodiesel is old news to German farmers - really old. Germany, as
well as a big portion of the European
It'd pay even better if they made it themselves.
http://soybeandigest.com/ar/soybean_buying_beans_back/index.htm
Buying Your Beans Back: Farmers say it pays to buy biodiesel
Soybean Digest staff
Soybean Digest, Aug 1, 2002
If you farm but don't use biodiesel, you need to ask yourself why.
A acre is about 209 feet squared x 2,635,878 acres divide by 285 million
equals 404.623 square feet per person OR about 20 feet squared per capita.
How do you get from 404 to 20? How is per person different from
per capita?
20 feet squared = 20' x 20' = 400 sq.ft.
not quite 404 square
Great? Aargh!
Here's my proposal for a two-birds-with-one-stone bottled water solution:
Terrier Water!
Freshly effervesced from the depths of the dog
We'll put a big red fire hydrant right in front of the water-bottling
company, everybody will be happy.
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
(Potable
Many people could make better use of rainwater that falls on their own roofs.
I'm reducing my water needs by collecting rainwater, and using composting
toilets. greywater recovery is used for irrigation.
I hope you can excuse my ignorance but what do you do with rain water
and what type of
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