[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 11/19/03

2003-11-19 Thread EERE
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- November 19, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/

Re: Viscosity - was Re: [biofuels-biz] Fuel Quality Test for Small Producers

2003-11-19 Thread Tilapia
Keith, As always, I'm wonderfully impressed with your filing system for a summary on a topic. I agree that the viscometer test will not provide an absolute test for the completion of the esterification reaction, unless one runs a detailed calibration curve for a particular oil against results

Re: [biofuels-biz] Degumming WAS Re: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid? Why not Both!!]

2003-11-19 Thread Steven Helen Hobbs
Darren, as per the ACREVO report, 9%. Make sure you use ethanol not methanol. The methanol will break from the emulsion and sit happily in a seperate layer within an hour. Whereas the ethanol will stay in emulsion. I'm not sure about the cetane improver or the peroxide (eg I don't have a

[biofuels-biz] Re: Viscosity - was Re: Fuel Quality Test for Small Producers

2003-11-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tom Keith, As always, I'm wonderfully impressed with your filing system for a summary on a topic. :-) No need to be impressed, it's dead easy - easier than not, IMO, or who'd ever have the time? Not me, for sure. Check this out: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/ I agree

Re: [biofuels-biz] Degumming WAS Re: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid? Why not Both!!]

2003-11-19 Thread Steven Helen Hobbs
G'day Keith As far as solid resultsno. Yes as per ACREVO report, 9% ethanol emulsified into the vege oil. I found the fuel excellent and it burned cleaned at the exhaust. Talking to a couple of other fellas, they also have tried it and it worked well, but they did caution that some fuel

Re: [biofuels-biz] Degumming

2003-11-19 Thread Keith Addison
G'day Steven G'day Keith As far as solid resultsno. Well, do take some photographs whenever you get the head pulled of. Yes as per ACREVO report, 9% ethanol emulsified into the vege oil. I found the fuel excellent and it burned cleaned at the exhaust. Talking to a couple of other fellas,

[biofuel] pumps, etc.

2003-11-19 Thread Sue Miller
Hello All, I am gathering materials to build a closed processor and have some questions that I am sure are rather elementary, but here goes: I have heard it mentioned that the processor can build up pressure. Why and how much? Should I have a pressure relief valve for safety? I'm undecided

[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 11/19/03

2003-11-19 Thread EERE
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- November 19, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/

RE: [biofuel] GE Biodiesel

2003-11-19 Thread Bryan Brah
Thanks. I guess that a magic bullet (or bug in this case) that you mix with WVO to make BD is a long way away. -BRAH -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:50 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] GE

Re: [biofuel] Re: Off-the-Shelf Processors

2003-11-19 Thread randal
Thank you Keith and Todd. I appreciate the benefit of your experience. Can I suggest that you are very likely to be hearing a lot more from people like me; sincere about getting off petrol, intelligent, busy with the rest of their life, not mechanical. (Todd, this does not put us out of our

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread alex
Hi , folks! I'm thinking for quite a while about a business case of power generation on a farm - or in a rural area. Let's suppose that I'm a farmer with 200 acres. I grow canola - then press it into oil. So, if I get a harvest of 200 tons of canola seeds, I press it into 200,000 litters of

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
Hi Alex, i have a 100kva Generator,he uses on small Load 6ltr. and on havy load up to 24ltr. an hour on Diesel. So you run the Generator for one year regards, Fritz from Quebec - Original Message - From: alex To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:48

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread Martin Klingensmith
It's a decent concept, but your 100kw generators are going to be inefficient and waste a lot of your energy. Not to mention they probably aren't designed to run for long periods of time continuously at high power output. Also, you're essentially taking solar power, converting it to chemical

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread alex
I'm in Ontario! There is lots of talk about grid problems in NA. We have lots of Canola fields here in Ontario. If every farmer will put a generator in his field and start generating electricity...sorry to say, but it can put nuclear folks out of business. Alex Martin Klingensmith wrote:

[biofuel] Re: Viscosity - was Re: Fuel Quality Test for Small Producers

2003-11-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tom Keith, As always, I'm wonderfully impressed with your filing system for a summary on a topic. :-) No need to be impressed, it's dead easy - easier than not, IMO, or who'd ever have the time? Not me, for sure. Check this out: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/ I agree

[biofuel] Power generation - spike times

2003-11-19 Thread Paul B.Schmidt
Good point. Remember as well that most electric power needs falls in two spikes, AM and PM rush. If you can run a generator for a few hours in the AM and PM then that's really all you'd need to decrease consumption during spike times, let alone run your farms on it. I know little of the

Re: [biofuel] Re: Viscosity - was Re: Fuel Quality Test for Small Producers

2003-11-19 Thread Ken Provost
On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 12:36 PM, Keith Addison wrote: In reply to -- a cheap viscometer will not produce results as good as a more sophisticated instrument. The trouble is that it won't produce results that are good enough to be practically useful. I gotta put in my

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread Hakan Falk
Alex, This depends on what your local electricity distribution association can pay you and also what legislation that might exist in Canada for this. Often on the country side, you might have a local electricity distribution association, who buy and distribute from the central grid. They can

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread alex
Hakan, I like to swim in the winter! Alex Hakan Falk wrote: Alex, This depends on what your local electricity distribution association can pay you and also what legislation that might exist in Canada for this. Often on the country side, you might have a local electricity distribution

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread alex
On a serious side, I strongly believe in the power of land. Land gives independance. Alex Hakan Falk wrote: Alex, This depends on what your local electricity distribution association can pay you and also what legislation that might exist in Canada for this. Often on the country side, you

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread Darryl McMahon
Sorry, I missed Alex's original post (Yahoo is bouncing me about twice a week lately). In a rural area in Ontario, odds are that your grid connection will be directly with Hydro One (formerly Hydro Ontario). Expect to be disappointed. Prior to the recent provincial election, the previous

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread alex
Darryl, this is very interesting. Long time ago I was talking to Caterpillar people who were pushing their generators, and I talked to some people in Ontario Hydro ( an old one, not privitized yet). From what I can see not much changed.. Yes, its hard to get into utility's busines. Mike Harris

[biofuel] Mass Fuel Processing

2003-11-19 Thread selteri
Does anyone know of a currrent Bio-Deisel group that is capable of producing roughly 700 tons of Biodeisel a day? If so, do you possibly know the price per ton? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

2003-11-19 Thread Hakan Falk
Sorry Alex, Yes, I could not be of much help. The only thing I could go after is some knowledge how it is handled in Sweden, Germany and Spain. Those cases are different and Spain is maybe the most corruptive with terms most favorable to established business interests. Germany is the best on

Re: [biofuel] Re: Off-the-Shelf Processors

2003-11-19 Thread Appal Energy
Randal, Constructing a complete biodiesel system is a piece of cake. For the same money that you might have spent at some of the sharpie sites that you pointed out, you can build a far more environmentally sound cradle to grave system and still have enough money left over for a 3 week trip to

Re: [biofuel] Mass Fuel Processing

2003-11-19 Thread Appal Energy
Short tons or metric tons? Only one place to find such an animal. That would be the soybean cooperatives across the face of the US. No single plant on the North American continent can give you the volume that you are inquiring about. You probably don't want to get into a discussion about GM

Re: [biofuel] Re: Off-the-Shelf Processors

2003-11-19 Thread Keith Addison
Oh, that's nice! (I got it too.) Can I upload it? Keith Randal, Constructing a complete biodiesel system is a piece of cake. For the same money that you might have spent at some of the sharpie sites that you pointed out, you can build a far more environmentally sound cradle to grave system and