Re: [Biofuel] Solar.....
Hi there, No problem at all. I have a contact at Expo Power Systems, Inc. Because of the number Im buying, Im able to get them at this price. The web site is, www.expopower.com For just a moment here I did not think anyone would ever answer the post. This was not what I was looking for. However, Im more than happy to help if I can. Jonathan joão martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jonathan, Can you tell me where you have those price? Best Regards João Martins www.martinsportscar.com www.luzsolar.pt --- Jonathan Dunlap wrote: Good day all, Anyone have info on Solar panels? I need 1000 to 5000 units at 120 or 80 Watts. Need this at wholesale. Best price so far is $2.70 per Watt. Any help would be great, Jonathan J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX
we're in oregon as well and tried equal parts borax with sugar. all to no avail. the yeast does the trick? rbury - Original Message - From: Energy Recovery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX No fire ants in Oregon but we do have sugar ants. We use equal parts borax, powdered sugar and yeast. Non-toxic to kids and pets. The yeast goes back to the queen and kapow she blows up and the ants start to disappear. Mike C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb ors say anything,, just say,,, hey, itsss fire ants,,, theyll understand,,,they may not understand that your killim themm but they will approve,,buck _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX
Hello, Im in Texas, the recipe I use is equal parts borax, sugar and flour. The flour is suposed get them to actually eat the borax, otherwise they leave it behind and so nothing happens (Im not so sure that is exactly what happens). But, it works great when it works... there are many things that can go wrong with it though. if it rains or there is dew it wont work... but if you can get on the mound while its dry and it stays dry it will work in a couple of days... I use this mixture about once every six months or so... so far I have about a 75% success rate. Another thing that works is Good luck John Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim, Is this recipe suppose to have 3 ingrediants or is it 2 tablespoon of borax and 1 of honey? Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:34 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Plenty of Fire Ants in Georgia. I use tablespoon of borax, tablespoon of honey, and a tablespoon of borax. It's a good bait and the workers take it back to the queen and then no more ants. Tim, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Energy Recovery Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX No fire ants in Oregon but we do have sugar ants. We use equal parts borax, powdered sugar and yeast. Non-toxic to kids and pets. The yeast goes back to the queen and kapow she blows up and the ants start to disappear. Mike C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buck Williams wrote: , 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb ors say anything,, just say,,, hey, itsss fire ants,,, theyll understand,,,they may not understand that your killim themm but they will approve,,buck __ ___ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/ direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please reply to; [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX
the science doesn't support it. It seems that ants don't eat, they only drink moisture/liquids from the surface of their foods. Check out this web site: http://www.organicgardening.com/feature/0,7518,s1-5-22-119,00.html Also see the paragraph on home remedies from the Fire and Control web page at the University of Georgia College of Agricultural and Environmental Sciences: ** http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/b1068-w.html#Control%20Techniques%20and%20Application%20Met Good luck, Jon Kim Garth Travis wrote: I do use instant grits for cockroach control and yes they will kill fire ants. Only instant grits kill, no ordinary grits. Instant grits are super dehydrated and they suck the water out of the insects body. We had this discussion on another list and if you do not live where instant grits are a known food, any super dehydrated crumbly kind of food stuff will work. They kill beneficial insects as well as harmful ones. If you have high humidity, after about 24 hours of exposure to air, you are feeding the ants/cockroaches not killing them. This solution will not harm pets or children. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:37 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Old post... Date:Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:59:55 +0800 From:Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re fire ants Hi there Vera wrote: We have had great success using instant grits on fire ant mounds. We just sprinkle some grits on the mound (never measured how much). Apparently when the ants drink, the grits swell up and ants die. Works for us. Vera Becoming more self-sufficient and God-dependent. Fire ants I know about, or at least the local variety - small, vicious, completely unreasonable, and lots of back-up! They don't make mounds here but that doesn't stop them making life impossible. I know you can kill them with fermented citrus peels, though they always come back of course. But what exactly are instant grits? Keith Addison Lantau Island Hong Kong -- Date:Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:01:58 -0500 From:Barbara J. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re fire ants Keith: I don't know if your Hong Kong fire ants are the same species as ours, which were unintentionally imported from South America. They sound the same: small, make small or large mounds, vicious, and completely unreasonable. It sounds like your killing method of fermented citrus peels is ahead of our general knowledge. Our organic gardening guru on the radio has advocated using orange oil (from processed orange peels). My problem is that after buying an expensive gallon of the stuff, I don't know how much to add to a gallon of drench. I want to kill but don't want to waste an expensive ingredient. According to the guru's advice, it is to be added to manure compost tea mixed with molasses for a long-lasting effect. Barbara USDA zone 7/8 southwest of Fort Worth, Texas -- Date:Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:32:13 -0500 From:Barbara J. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re fire ants (grits) P.S. Keith: I just realized I didn't answer your question regarding grits. I'm relatively new to the south but grits are a true southern dish. They are hulled and coarsely ground kernels of corn (maize) which are cooked to form a porridge. Barbara southwest of Fort Worth -- Never did try peeing on them, but I found this stuff worked well against fire ants: Organic Ant Killer (Greenco) Ready-to-use insecticidal soap spray which kills by contact and is safe even in the kitchen. AI: Fatty acids GRAK 500ml £4.25 Other people talk of mild soap. Has anyone tried the glycerine by-product from biodiesel, with or without the methanol? Or, perhaps better, the FFA soapstock you get when you separate the by-product components? The ants here are neither vicious nor unreasonable, they don't kill people, I'm not after murdering them to find out if the by-product will do the job, but I'd like to know. This is worth a look: http://www.biconet.com/ BIOCONTROL NETWORK http://www.biconet.com/solutionsdg.html#Fireant Fire ants Regards Keith Very funny Buck. My neighbors need binoculars or a telescope to see what I am doing that closely and would have to telephone. In the city, I assume that a specimen jar for collections would be used. But yes, we do have to fight a war with the fire ants, they will kill a human if you give them the chance. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:07 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: , 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb ors say anything,, just say,,, hey, itsss fire ants,,, theyll understand,,,they may not understand that your killim themm but they will
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
would be a better choice, 65% energy loss from end to end? To deliver electrons to Rob's guitar? That strikes me as a bargain compared to creating biodiesel and combusting it for electrons. I just figured the energy loss from end to end would be much worse with a little generator compared to the grid. On Oct 8, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
from svo is a monumental waste of energy. On Oct 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Robert Del Bueno wrote: I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
And this is based on what theory? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 19:17 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Ok. Let's leave the same proposition out there. Creating electricity from svo is a monumental waste of energy. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
Based on what? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 19:12 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset You are right. Efficient might be the wrong word. Perhaps bargain would be a better choice, 65% energy loss from end to end? To deliver electrons to Rob's guitar? That strikes me as a bargain compared to creating biodiesel and combusting it for electrons. I just figured the energy loss from end to end would be much worse with a little generator compared to the grid. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] HELP
My guess is that lawn mower and lawn tractor engines are fairly low compression and not fussy about fuel. I would not try any amount of biodiesel in a high performance gasoline engine like a car engine, For gasoline engines I would think that ethanol blends with gasoline are much to be preferred. The fuel requirements of spark-ignition gasoline, and diesel engines, are entirely different. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Gregg Davidson wrote: Hi Steve, While you can't use 100% Biodiesel in a gasoline engine, you can mix it up to a maximum of 15% with the gas. It works great in lawn mower / lawn tractor engines as well. Same maximum percentage. Sincerely Gregg Davidson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's illegal but I don't really care about that. --- Gasman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Phil, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Hello Phil Hello all! Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin? I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap. I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. We used to have many such engines in India called kero engines which were fitted to motorbikes, mainly because of subsidised kerosene. One peculiarity I noticed was that the engine continued to fire slowly and intermitently long after the ignition was switched off. No, you certainly didn't ever hear such a thing from me, definitely not, no. What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and implications for engine life? Dire, probably, on both counts. Best wishes Keith Phil Rendel English Department Kingswood College, Burton Street, Grahamstown tel. 046 603 6600 fax. 046 622 3084 cell: 084 448 1052 snip Regards balaji Hello Phil! If you wish, and Keith allows us to talk in depth about how to arrange a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene), I can offer you my experience of 13 years and over 100.000 km with two of my cars. Both driven by motorpetroleum and waterinjection (actually suctioned by the motor itself, the same way as the fuel). Max Gasman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
What point are you trying to convey when you say this Lyle? That strikes me as a bargain compared to creating biodiesel and combusting it for electrons. You don't even have the numbers relative to production efficiencies for biodiesel to electricity and you draw such a conclusion? Much less construction/manufacturing cradle-to-grave energy inputs for both options (inclusive of mining, smelting, kilns, transport, labor transportation, etc, etc, etc.) Maybe if you worked both equations you could come up with a definitive opinion. But to do so based upon a feeling? That doesn't fly. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset You are right. Efficient might be the wrong word. Perhaps bargain would be a better choice, 65% energy loss from end to end? To deliver electrons to Rob's guitar? That strikes me as a bargain compared to creating biodiesel and combusting it for electrons. I just figured the energy loss from end to end would be much worse with a little generator compared to the grid. On Oct 8, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
Where in the world do you come up with this conclusion Lyle? Creating electricity from svo is a monumental waste of energy. - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Ok. Let's leave the same proposition out there. Creating electricity from svo is a monumental waste of energy. On Oct 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Robert Del Bueno wrote: I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment
Re: [Biofuel] Solar.....
Could some one please introduce me with some manufacturers of solar home system,which could be used in Bangladesh. Best regards. Masud Omar At 01:12 PM 10/8/04 -0700, you wrote: Hi there, No problem at all. I have a contact at Expo Power Systems, Inc. Because of the number Iâm buying, Iâm able to get them at this price. The web site is, www.expopower.com For just a moment here I did not think anyone would ever answer the post. This was not what I was looking for. However, Iâm more than happy to help if I can. Jonathan joo martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jonathan, Can you tell me where you have those price? Best Regards Joo Martins www.martinsportscar.com www.luzsolar.pt --- Jonathan Dunlap wrote: Good day all, Anyone have info on Solar panels? I need 1000 to 5000 units at 120 or 80 Watts. Need this at wholesale. Best price so far is $2.70 per Watt. Any help would be great, Jonathan J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX
I used boric acid and egg yolk for the common German cockroach when I lived in Southern California. They like egg yolk so much they don't run when the light is first turned on. I think whatever ants like but with boric acid not borax would do the trick. I use a heaping teaspoon of cinammon to lower my bloodsugar. Works as well as my Amaryl tablets. Kirk Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fire ants thrive on that mixture, we tried it, but thanks for the suggestion. Cinnamon doesn't hurt the children, pets or crickets. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:03 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: No fire ants in Oregon but we do have sugar ants. We use equal parts borax, powdered sugar and yeast. Non-toxic to kids and pets. The yeast goes back to the queen and kapow she blows up and the ants start to disappear. Mike C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buck Williams wrote: , 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb ors say anything,, just say,,, hey, itsss fire ants,,, theyll understand,,,they may not understand that your killim themm but they will approve,,buck _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:29:29 -0500 Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
Lyle Estill wrote: Ok. Let's leave the same proposition out there. Creating electricity from svo is a monumental waste of energy. If it takes three train cars of coal to make one train car of electricity how many train cars are necessary using wind turbines? Is there any added benefit to capturing the heat? Environmentally, what is more friendly? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
I'll plead ignorance right off the bat. But is fossil fuel truely carbon negative? The plants and animals they are derived from were living and breathing albeit a few million years ago. It's just been held in escrow for a while :) It's just the human virus that's releasing it all in a short 100 years. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: October 9, 2004 12:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent:
RE: [Biofuel] HELP
Hi Doug. Just a quick note to say Hi from Niagara Falls. You are the closest Canadian I've met on the lists. Cheers. John Mullan Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 8, 2004 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] HELP My guess is that lawn mower and lawn tractor engines are fairly low compression and not fussy about fuel. I would not try any amount of biodiesel in a high performance gasoline engine like a car engine, For gasoline engines I would think that ethanol blends with gasoline are much to be preferred. The fuel requirements of spark-ignition gasoline, and diesel engines, are entirely different. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Gregg Davidson wrote: Hi Steve, While you can't use 100% Biodiesel in a gasoline engine, you can mix it up to a maximum of 15% with the gas. It works great in lawn mower / lawn tractor engines as well. Same maximum percentage. Sincerely Gregg Davidson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar.....
Here is one that is very good and will work in Bangladesh. http://www.wholesalesolar.com/products.folder/module-folder/shell/sm110_12P.html Best regards, Jonathan MASUD OMAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Could some one please introduce me with some manufacturers of solar home system,which could be used in Bangladesh. Best regards. Masud Omar At 01:12 PM 10/8/04 -0700, you wrote: Hi there, No problem at all. I have a contact at Expo Power Systems, Inc. Because of the number Im buying, Im able to get them at this price. The web site is, www.expopower.com For just a moment here I did not think anyone would ever answer the post. This was not what I was looking for. However, Im more than happy to help if I can. Jonathan joão martins wrote: Hi Jonathan, Can you tell me where you have those price? Best Regards João Martins www.martinsportscar.com www.luzsolar.pt --- Jonathan Dunlap wrote: Good day all, Anyone have info on Solar panels? I need 1000 to 5000 units at 120 or 80 Watts. Need this at wholesale. Best price so far is $2.70 per Watt. Any help would be great, Jonathan J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar.....
Another place to check http://seasunlighting.en.alibaba.com/product/50032635/50149366/Solar_Chargers/Solar_Panel.html Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here is one that is very good and will work in Bangladesh. http://www.wholesalesolar.com/products.folder/module-folder/shell/sm110_12P.html Best regards, Jonathan MASUD OMAR wrote: Dear All, Could some one please introduce me with some manufacturers of solar home system,which could be used in Bangladesh. Best regards. Masud Omar At 01:12 PM 10/8/04 -0700, you wrote: Hi there, No problem at all. I have a contact at Expo Power Systems, Inc. Because of the number Im buying, Im able to get them at this price. The web site is, www.expopower.com For just a moment here I did not think anyone would ever answer the post. This was not what I was looking for. However, Im more than happy to help if I can. Jonathan joão martins wrote: Hi Jonathan, Can you tell me where you have those price? Best Regards João Martins www.martinsportscar.com www.luzsolar.pt --- Jonathan Dunlap wrote: Good day all, Anyone have info on Solar panels? I need 1000 to 5000 units at 120 or 80 Watts. Need this at wholesale. Best price so far is $2.70 per Watt. Any help would be great, Jonathan J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... Nonsense - what a tired old non-argument that is. If you ask the wrong question you get the wrong answer. How much biofuels will it take... How much land will it take... For what? To substitute biofuels/renewables for the amount of fossil fuels used now? That's not an option - continuing the current rate/growth of energy use (ie energy waste) isn't an option either. A rational and sustainable energy future means great reductions in energy use, great improvements in energy efficiency, and, most important, decentralisation of energy supply to the local level, where all the ready-for-use alternatives can be used in combination as best fits the circumstances. Sustainable farms can produce enough energy as a by-product to provide their own energy needs and more, with the dedicated use of no land at all. Jeff Welter was discussing that yesterday, or aspects of it. It's often been discussed here. http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/ How much fuel can we grow? http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/ Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming ... how much fossil-energy, in fuel, fertilizers and pesticides, would be required to produce enough food to feed 900 million people? Answer: none. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html Biofuels - Food or Fuel? On a related issue, or rather non-issue, see Is ethanol energy-efficient? http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Keith From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:29:29 -0500 Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing
G'day; Well, I have come across another part of the learning curve. My processor/wash tank combo resides in a non-winterized pump house and the last two times I have processed a batch of BD (80liters each) I had a problem with saponification/emulsion and I believe I have it figured out. As a side note, this probably would not have happend with KOH, but I am using NaOH at the moment. The temps here have gone down at night quite a bit of late and this is the time that the settling is being done. The last two times I had to heat the plumbing at the exit point of the reator in order to get the glycerine to flow, at the same time turning on the reactor's heat for about 30-45 minutes, as the glycerine had hardened in the plumbing as well as inside the reactor. Once the glycerine begins flowing it does so very well, HOWEVER it does not all come out as there is still some that gets melted while the hot BD is being transfered to the wash tank as witnessed by a sharp darkening of the colour in the sight tube as it comes out. I immediately stop the pump and drain the remainder out the glycerine drain at the bottom, but not before some of it has blended with the BD being transfered and this results in a layer of creamed chicken soup that won't break. The fuel is good, as the shake test proves, athough there is glycerine being mixed with the BD, not good. Solution? Re-heat the lot and pump mix again when hot and let setlle a few hours and drain, let settle some more and drain again until the volume approaches what would normally come out the glycerine drain when the weather is warm. Alternative solution? Send the lot, immediately after initial processing, into a seperate settling tank that has been set up using the standpipe design (metal tank with bungs downward), let settle and then drain out the BD FIRST via the standpipe and pumped to the wash tank, and then flip on the welded immersion heater that has been inserted near the floor of the secondary settling tank thereby heating the glycerine layer and making it flow easier. A visual over the edge will tell if the whole glycerine layer got drained or not and this way NO glycerine is getting in the BD. Better system yet? Use potassium hydroxide and don't worry about theabove time-consuming PITA (Pain In The Anatomy). As still somewhat of a beginner at this BD making stuff I have a whack of NaOH that I got from a chem supply house that now has to be used, although once I have thorougly pefected using my system and understanding it's ups and downs to where I ma comfortable with it's nuances I will be looking into KOH as a catalyst. That will be for the next season, as this one winds down due to cold and I don't have the with all to properly insulate the pump house, although I will be using the off-season to do that as well as set up the secondary settling tank in preparation for a full and rewarding production season next year. The off-season time will also be used to stock up on things like, methanol and WVO (it's pretty good stuff I get from the Chinese Restaurant and I want to get ahead of it for next year), and insulating the pump house which will allow me to get going earlier than if I only wait for it to be warm enough in the Spring. Ordering some WintronXC30 is also on the list for early Spring use and also for next winters' BD experience. It is too bad too as the Benz REALLY likes running on B100, and it iwll do so once weather and the ability to process permits. Who knows, maybe it will be sooner rather than later, but one thing certain, I will be working at it. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
- Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 02:42 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... Very Incorrect.Although that is what the anti BioDiesel groups and so called experts would have you believe. 1)Seed that is pressed for oil can still be used as stock and/or human food, depending on the seed. For example: Corn oil can be extracted for BD use, the meal can then be used to prepared to make alcohol, and the spent mash ( which at this point is high in protein ), can be used as food. Soybeans are actualy made more palatable for stock by the extraction of most of the oil. Cotton seed ( to my knowledge ) has no real use except as an oil source, and the left over meal is a source of organic nitrogen for the ground, an Avocado, once the edible part is eaten, the seed contains more than 50% of all the oil in the fruit. 2)Many plants ( that have usable oil ) will grow were, normal food items for consumption ( humans or stock ) will not - Chinese Tallow tree will grow in arid areas. In allot of cases the oil is has already been used, for deep frying, at your local fast food, and can still be made into BD, this takes nothing away from food production at all, and as some have already said, can be used after filtering with slightly modified diesel engines. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX
don't seem to die from it. Could you please give further information of this method? My barn and home are under the same roof so every time I bring home a load of hay, I get an invasion. I use stevia to sweeten beverages and it has the side effect of lowering blood pressure, but not as dramatically as cinnamon, I would guess. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:34 AM 10/9/2004, you wrote: I used boric acid and egg yolk for the common German cockroach when I lived in Southern California. They like egg yolk so much they don't run when the light is first turned on. I think whatever ants like but with boric acid not borax would do the trick. I use a heaping teaspoon of cinammon to lower my bloodsugar. Works as well as my Amaryl tablets. Kirk Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fire ants thrive on that mixture, we tried it, but thanks for the suggestion. Cinnamon doesn't hurt the children, pets or crickets. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:03 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: No fire ants in Oregon but we do have sugar ants. We use equal parts borax, powdered sugar and yeast. Non-toxic to kids and pets. The yeast goes back to the queen and kapow she blows up and the ants start to disappear. Mike C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buck Williams wrote: , 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb ors say anything,, just say,,, hey, itsss fire ants,,, theyll understand,,,they may not understand that your killim themm but they will approve,,buck _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
- Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 04:56 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I'll plead ignorance right off the bat. But is fossil fuel truely carbon negative? The plants and animals they are derived from were living and breathing albeit a few million years ago. It's just been held in escrow for a while :) It's just the human virus that's releasing it all in a short 100 years. Think of how much energy it takes to transform 1 barrel of crude oil into it's end products. I have heard that by the time that just transporting 1 barrel of crude oil to the refinery, cost is at least 1 1/2 barrels of oil, then you have to heat it up ( and that takes more oil ) to refine it, then transport ( again more oil ) the products to processing plants, and/or fuel stations ( and that takes more fuel ).Allot of oil is used just making the oil usable to the final consumer, because it is not being used to do anything other than to transport oil and oil products. On the other hand using WVO, to make BioDiesel ( or as is ), your using a product that have already seen the normal the end of it's normal usage, and putting it to work. The amount of energy used to make it available for use is minimal, because it has already been transported to the general vicinity were it is going to be used. Many time it can be had for next to nothing, other than the work to recover it from the fryer vats.The carbon in the ground in sequestered, and when it is used it puts it into the air, where it is unhealthy.In the ground it contains various elements that are bound up, that become toxic ( or otherwise unhealthy to one degree or another ) when released into the air.To say that it is in escrow is wrong, because by binding the elements up out of reach in the ground were they are less 'toxic' then it is actualy doing us a favor by being ( staying ) in the ground. I will give you this.There was a time when crude petroleum and it's products was necessary to get mankind started down the road of technology, but, now we are technologically at point that they are becoming more problematic than a necessity. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Emissions per kwh Back to grid via WVO genset
Robert - Emisssions per kwh can be obtained from EPA. P. Wolfe --- Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at
Re: [Biofuel] Magnets -was: Cellulosic Ethanol
How about this one... I invented a system to drasticly improve fuel milage. I stick a couple on my front bumper. When on the freeway, I accelerate - into the back of a large semi 18 wheeler. CLUNK-my car becomes attached. I then turn off my engine. Sure beats cruize control! A light tap of the brake pedal seperates me. ***THIS IS PROBABLY NOT LEGAL-AT LEAST IN MOST COUNTRIES-SO DONT TRY THIS AT HOME*** http://www.wondermagnet.com/uses_old.html The owner of this site recommends using magnets. http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm He says he doesn't know how it works but that it just works. The site is about diesel motorcycles. Best, Christopher ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] RE: Message for Doug Woodward
Hi Doug, You're probably right about the lawn mower / lawn tractor engines may not be fussy about Biodiesel mixed in the gas. Now as to a car engine, that's a different story. In June of this year, I posed a question about Biodiesel in gasoline engines. I received a reply from list member JC in Taipei. He advised me that he had mixed BD with gasoline for his car, using no more than a 15% mix. I have had sucess following his example had no engine problems. One of the three vehicles I tested this in is a Chrysler Town Country mini van with a 3.3 L V-6 Flex Fuel Engine, the other two are Jeep Grand Cherokees with 4.0 L I-6 engines. Even though the van can run on E-85, I do not use ethanol blends because of the following: 1.) When E-85 fuel is used, DaimlerChrysler states that a special type of motor oil MUST used or else excessive engine wear will occur. 2.) ( The most important one ) At present, E-85 is not available in my home state of Georgia, that I am aware of. Perhaps this may change soon. Respectfully, Gregg Davidson John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Doug. Just a quick note to say Hi from Niagara Falls. You are the closest Canadian I've met on the lists. Cheers. John Mullan Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 8, 2004 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] HELP My guess is that lawn mower and lawn tractor engines are fairly low compression and not fussy about fuel. I would not try any amount of biodiesel in a high performance gasoline engine like a car engine, For gasoline engines I would think that ethanol blends with gasoline are much to be preferred. The fuel requirements of spark-ignition gasoline, and diesel engines, are entirely different. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Gregg Davidson wrote: Hi Steve, While you can't use 100% Biodiesel in a gasoline engine, you can mix it up to a maximum of 15% with the gas. It works great in lawn mower / lawn tractor engines as well. Same maximum percentage. Sincerely Gregg Davidson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
- Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 22:26 Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's illegal but I don't really care about that. Ken, You have a problem developing. Kerosene does not have the same lubricating properties as diesel, running on kerosene, you are going to cause engine damage - in if or maybe, but you will.Compared to even Diesel #1 it is dry when it comes to lubrication. Mix it with BioDiesel, even DinoDiesel, at minimum of 2 diesel for 1 kerosene ratio ( and your better off at a 4 to 1 ratio ), but without the lubrication that kerosene does not have - and diesel of any form provides, you will kill your fuel pump, and likely your fuel injectors, and when that happens, the cost of repairs will make you wish you had been running the diesel at $2.15 a gallon all along. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ?
Kerosene while very similar to Diesel #1, but, it is not diesel. It does not provide anywhere near the lubrication that diesel does. You can end up killing a diesel engine if you run it on nothing but kerosene. - Original Message - From: Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 20:31 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ? Hi Max: I have a few questions for clarification. Are you saying that you are running two of your petron engine cars on kerosine? Kerosene is actually diesel fuel no.1, right? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
This is absolutely false. here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... To fill in the blanks, you're saying that if we grow biomass for fuel then the resulting consequence is that we'll starve. Feedlot cattle consume 16#s of grain and soybeans for every one pound of meat. http://www.animalsvoice.com/PAGES/invest/meat.html If correlating that 16 pounds to only soybeans, that's approximately 3.3 acres if the yield is 40 bushels of soybeans per acre, or approximately 6,960 pounds of feedmeal and approximately 40 gallons of oil. How many people could be fed off 3.3 acres or with 6,960 pounds of soy flour in comparison to the approximate 550 pounds of edible beef that will come off that feedlot animal? Couple that with the number of pounds of grass it takes to get them to a feedlot for fattening. A grassfed calf consumes 8,210 pounds of grass to increase its weight from 500 to 1,000 pounds. It takes 15,750 pounds of grass to raise that calf to 500 pounds and maintain its 1,200-pound mother for 12 months. http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/improving_the_margin.htm With a cutout percentage of 55%, that equates to 44 pounds of grass for every one pound of edible grass-fed beef. (That number may be slightly skewed due to the fact that the mother will eventually be slaughtered. But whether or not she becomes human food rather than animal feed is debateable.) No one is going to say that the exchange ratio for grass to grain is 1:1. But a great deal of biomass/food can be grown for human consumption on the same land. What can also be said is that if the global population altered its diet considerably to become an enormously less meat centered, and then coupled that reaccessed biomass/land with savings achieved from doubled, tripled or even quadrupled liquid fuel economy (easy enough to do considering the ratio of 10-15 mpg SUVs to 50+ mpg automobiles), there would be none of the starvation that you declare to be inevitable by switching to biomass. And none of the above begins to touch the enormous amount of waste that goes into pork, chicken, egg and milk production. You're also not considering the burden that could be taken off the liquid fuel sector by widely implementing wind and solar and supplanting liquid fuels with renewably derived electricity. All said? Your categorical statement is grossly in error and only approaches any degree of correctness if humans continue their wasteful mindsets and grossly stretched wastelines. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:29:29 -0500 Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
Sure. Fossil fuels are carbon neutral. But only until they're combusted. It's the human demand and the geologic time required to resequester the emissons that wipes out their neutrality. Large difference between millions of years for sequestration and one year for biofuels. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 5:56 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I'll plead ignorance right off the bat. But is fossil fuel truely carbon negative? The plants and animals they are derived from were living and breathing albeit a few million years ago. It's just been held in escrow for a while :) It's just the human virus that's releasing it all in a short 100 years. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: October 9, 2004 12:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:50:43 -0500 This is absolutely false. here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... To fill in the blanks, you're saying that if we grow biomass for fuel then the resulting consequence is that we'll starve. Feedlot cattle consume 16#s of grain and soybeans for every one pound of meat. http://www.animalsvoice.com/PAGES/invest/meat.html If correlating that 16 pounds to only soybeans, that's approximately 3.3 acres if the yield is 40 bushels of soybeans per acre, or approximately 6,960 pounds of feedmeal and approximately 40 gallons of oil. How many people could be fed off 3.3 acres or with 6,960 pounds of soy flour in comparison to the approximate 550 pounds of edible beef that will come off that feedlot animal? Couple that with the number of pounds of grass it takes to get them to a feedlot for fattening. A grassfed calf consumes 8,210 pounds of grass to increase its weight from 500 to 1,000 pounds. It takes 15,750 pounds of grass to raise that calf to 500 pounds and maintain its 1,200-pound mother for 12 months. http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/improving_the_margin.htm With a cutout percentage of 55%, that equates to 44 pounds of grass for every one pound of edible grass-fed beef. (That number may be slightly skewed due to the fact that the mother will eventually be slaughtered. But whether or not she becomes human food rather than animal feed is debateable.) No one is going to say that the exchange ratio for grass to grain is 1:1. But a great deal of biomass/food can be grown for human consumption on the same land. What can also be said is that if the global population altered its diet considerably to become an enormously less meat centered, and then coupled that reaccessed biomass/land with savings achieved from doubled, tripled or even quadrupled liquid fuel economy (easy enough to do considering the ratio of 10-15 mpg SUVs to 50+ mpg automobiles), there would be none of the starvation that you declare to be inevitable by switching to biomass. And none of the above begins to touch the enormous amount of waste that goes into pork, chicken, egg and milk production. You're also not considering the burden that could be taken off the liquid fuel sector by widely implementing wind and solar and supplanting liquid fuels with renewably derived electricity. All said? Your categorical statement is grossly in error and only approaches any degree of correctness if humans continue their wasteful mindsets and grossly stretched wastelines. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:29:29 -0500 Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] Oil Wars
Published on Friday, October 8, 2004 by TomDispatch.com Oil Wars Transforming the American Military into a Global Oil-Protection Service by Michael T. Klare In the first U.S. combat operation of the war in Iraq, Navy commandos stormed an offshore oil-loading platform. Swooping silently out of the Persian Gulf night, an overexcited reporter for the New York Times wrote on March 22, Navy Seals seized two Iraqi oil terminals in bold raids that ended early this morning, overwhelming lightly-armed Iraqi guards and claiming a bloodless victory in the battle for Iraq's vast oil empire. A year and a half later, American soldiers are still struggling to maintain control over these vital petroleum facilities -- and the fighting is no longer bloodless. On April 24, two American sailors and a coastguardsman were killed when a boat they sought to intercept, presumably carrying suicide bombers, exploded near the Khor al-Amaya loading platform. Other Americans have come under fire while protecting some of the many installations in Iraq's oil empire. Indeed, Iraq has developed into a two-front war: the battles for control over Iraq's cities and the constant struggle to protect its far-flung petroleum infrastructure against sabotage and attack. The first contest has been widely reported in the American press; the second has received far less attention. Yet the fate of Iraq's oil infrastructure could prove no less significant than that of its embattled cities. A failure to prevail in this contest would eliminate the economic basis upon which a stable Iraqi government could someday emerge. In the grand scheme of things, a senior officer told the New York Times, there may be no other place where our armed forces are deployed that has a greater strategic importance. In recognition of this, significant numbers of U.S. soldiers have been assigned to oil-security functions. Top officials insist that these duties will eventually be taken over by Iraqi forces, but day by day this glorious moment seems to recede ever further into the distance. So long as American forces remain in Iraq, a significant number of them will undoubtedly spend their time guarding highly vulnerable pipelines, refineries, loading facilities, and other petroleum installations. With thousands of miles of pipeline and hundreds of major facilities at risk, this task will prove endlessly demanding - and unrelievedly hazardous. At the moment, the guerrillas seem capable of striking the country's oil lines at times and places of their choosing, their attacks often sparking massive explosions and fires. Guarding the pipelines It has been argued that our oil-protection role is a peculiar feature of the war in Iraq, where petroleum installations are strewn about and the national economy is largely dependent on oil revenues. But Iraq is hardly the only country where American troops are risking their lives on a daily basis to protect the flow of petroleum. In Colombia, Saudi Arabia, and the Republic of Georgia, U.S. personnel are also spending their days and nights protecting pipelines and refineries, or supervising the local forces assigned to this mission. American sailors are now on oil-protection patrol in the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Sea, the South China Sea, and along other sea routes that deliver oil to the United States and its allies. In fact, the American military is increasingly being converted into a global oil-protection service. The situation in the Republic of Georgia is a perfect example of this trend. Ever since the Soviet Union broke apart in 1992, American oil companies and government officials have sought to gain access to the huge oil and natural gas reserves of the Caspian Sea basin -- especially in Azerbaijan, Iran, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan. Some experts believe that as many as 200 billion barrels of untapped oil lie ready to be discovered in the Caspian area, about seven times the amount left in the United States. But the Caspian itself is landlocked and so the only way to transport its oil to market in the West is by pipelines crossing the Caucasus region -- the area encompassing Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and the war-torn Russian republics of Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia, and North Ossetia. American firms are now building a major pipeline through this volatile area. Stretching a perilous 1,000 miles from Baku in Azerbaijan through Tbilisi in Georgia to Ceyhan in Turkey, it is eventually slated to carry one million barrels of oil a day to the West; but will face the constant threat of sabotage by Islamic militants and ethnic separatists along its entire length. The United States has already assumed significant responsibility for its protection, providing millions of dollars in arms and equipment to the Georgian military and deploying military specialists in Tbilisi to train and advise the Georgian troops assigned to protect this vital conduit. This
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... For instance... It's easy to substitute fuel for food in this article, or in just about anything to do with city farms. Living on the Earth, March 10, 2000: Ignoring a Solution Gardens are viewed as 'hobbies' by most politicians/bureaucrats and administrators and are seldom taken seriously as real sources of real food, says a UConn agricultural extension specialist, speaking of the United States Department of Agriculture. The USDA is the world's largest agricultural research and extension organization. If it doesn't take gardens seriously as real sources of real food, we are in real trouble. Feeding a growing population with shrinking resources without polluting the planet is one of the greatest challenges facing us, locally and globally. Although we know that organic food sales are growing at over 20 percent annually, the USDA hasn't collected any statistics on organic farms. In Connecticut, there are almost 60 certified organic farms, which, like many of the farms in this country, tend to be small and part-time. All together, they probably produce and sell less than a million dollars worth of produce a year. There is a wonderful abundance of vegetables and fruits produced in home and community organic gardens here in Connecticut. A skilled home-gardener can produce amazing quantities of food, using only hand tools, compost from kitchen and yard wastes, and human energy. The more than 20,000 subscribers to Organic Gardening magazine here in Connecticut provide a rough estimate of the scale of organic food being produced in gardens for home consumption. Although some subscribers may not have gardens, that number is probably offset by organic gardeners who don't purchase the magazine. Eighteen years ago, author and activist Marny Smith, created a 250 square-foot garden out of part of the asphalt parking lot at Save the Children's Westport office. A 250-square-foot garden is about the size of an average living room, which isn't that big. It would take 174 of these small gardens to equal to one acre. But, study after study has shown that per unit of land and energy, small, hand-tended growing areas can be many times more productive than large farms are. Marny kept careful records of the produce harvested from her garden. In a pamphlet published by Save the Children, Marny wrote that, according to 1979 supermarket prices, the produce from that living-room-sized garden in a parking lot was worth over $ 320. And, that was more than two decades ago! Now, if 22,000 organic gardeners in Connecticut produced only as much as this small, first-year garden in a parking lot did, they would grow organic vegetables worth over $ 7,000,000, again at 1979 prices. Without even counting for inflationary effects, home garden produce here certainly dwarfs commercial organic agriculture. In fact, it looks like home organic production may have about half the monetary value, and many times the social and educational value, of vegetable sales from all the farms in Connecticut. There are fewer than 4,000 farms in this state. The home-grown produce is even more valuable, though, to the gardeners. They would need to earn more than $400 in order to have $ 300 left with which to buy vegetables, after paying income taxes. Those home-grown vegetables also have value for the rest of us. They don't need all the packaging that produce from Mexico and California requires. They also don't need roads, trucks or transcontinental highways; home-grown food doesn't leave a trail of pollution across the country and around the world. A home garden directly connects children and adults to a productive and sustainable relationship with the Earth. By ignoring these real sources of real food, the USDA misses an opportunity to promote agriculture that not only is the most environmentally friendly, but that also produces the freshest, and tastiest food possible. This is Bill Duesing, Living on the Earth © 2000, Bill Duesing, Solar Farm Education, Box 135, Stevenson, CT 06491 frag lag wrote: here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... Nonsense - what a tired old non-argument that is. If you ask the wrong question you get the wrong answer. How much biofuels will it take... How much land will it take... For what? To substitute biofuels/renewables for the amount of fossil fuels used now? That's not an option - continuing the current rate/growth of energy use (ie energy waste) isn't an option either. A rational and sustainable energy future means great reductions in energy use, great improvements in energy efficiency, and, most important, decentralisation of energy supply to the local level, where all the ready-for-use alternatives can be used in combination as best fits the
[Biofuel] China Enacts Fuel Standards for Cars
MYPSPSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULT The Associated Press Oct 8, 10:17 AM EDT China Enacts Fuel Standards for Cars SHANGHAI, China (AP) -- China has introduced its first fuel-efficiency standards for passenger cars, moving to control soaring oil consumption and ensure foreign automakers share their latest technology, the government said Friday. The fuel efficiency standards, which set requirements for how much fuel a car can use every 100 kilometers (62 miles), have been under discussion for years. They were approved by the State Council, China's Cabinet, early last month, said an official at the China Automotive Technology Research Center, which proposed the standards. The new standards could oblige foreign automakers to boost their already ambitious investment plans for China because they may have to modify some vehicles due to be introduced here. Initially some foreign carmakers opposed the plans, fearing the added costs of compliance. Foreign manufacturers have also urged China to force suppliers to clean up the substandard diesel and gasoline now sold throughout the country, complaining that bad fuel ruins high-tech engines. Although the domestic car industry is booming, China has relied heavily on tie-ups with global giants such as General Motors Corp. and Volkswagen AG and has long accused foreign partners of withholding advanced technology. China is increasingly reliant on imported crude oil for products such as diesel and gasoline. This is good for China, said Yang Fuqiang, chief representative of the Energy Foundation's Beijing office. Though not particularly stringent, the new requirements are stricter than U.S. standards, which haven't been updated for more than 20 years, Yang noted. American fuel efficiency standards are calculated using the average fuel use of the entire fleet sold by an automaker. In China, similar to Japan, the standards require that each model sold meet the criteria, Yang said. The first phase of the standards will be implemented from July 2005, with a stricter second phase from 2008 for new models introduced to China, the research center said. Models approved by the Chinese government before July 2005 will have a one-year grace period for both phases. A draft of the proposed standards released earlier calls for 16 categories based on the weight of the vehicles. The standards are looser for automatic transmissions, sports utility vehicles, and vans. While most smaller vehicles can meet the new standards' first phase with few changes if any, rules for heavier vehicles may require automakers to invest in research and development, auto analysts say. © 2004 The Associated Press. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] West Waking Up to Dangers of Oil Addiction
West Waking Up to Dangers of Oil Addiction October 08, 2004 - By Andrew Mitchell, Reuters LONDON - Controlling growth in fuel consumption may become a strategic imperative for the West, as explosive demand growth in Asia threatens a damaging tussle for world supplies. Industrialized nations must improve energy efficiency if they are not to leave themselves exposed to far more dangerous oil price spikes than this year's 60 percent run-up, energy analysts are warning. Consumers have been led to believe that price increases experienced over the last few years are due not to the natural forces of supply and demand but rather the actions of the energy industry, said Philip Verleger, a senior fellow of the Institute for International Economics. This mistaken belief has discouraged conservation, particularly in the automobile sector, and created the foundation for a very large price increase to come. Last weekend, finance ministers from the Group of Seven industrialized nations called on consuming nations to use energy more efficiently. They also made a more typical appeal for the OPEC cartel to increase production. Coaxing more oil out of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries has been the main plank of consuming nations' policy in recent years, as cautious spending by the international majors and barriers to investment in the Middle East restrict development of new supply. Looming Battle Surging Chinese consumption has stretched world supplies to the limit and sent U.S. crude prices rocketing to record peaks above $52 a barrel - potentially just a foretaste of things to come, analysts said. The West may look to curb its own appetite for oil to ward off a looming battle for OPEC's crude as Asia expands and oil provinces outside the Middle East fade, they warned. Every year, in every region (including OPEC), the world produces more oil than it finds. It is only logical to conclude that inevitably this will lead to dwindling supplies, said a recent report by Washington D.C.-based PFC Energy. As the West's own oil sources reach maturity in regions like the North Sea, more and more will need to be sourced from remote and politically unstable regions. The International Monetary Fund's deputy research director David Robinson said on Thursday that tight oil supplies could leave the global economy worryingly vulnerable for years to come. Most exposed will be the United States, consumer of more than 20 million barrels each day, one-quarter of world supply and importer of 60 percent of its needs. The United States will face more competition from emerging strategic players to secure access to oil. Managing demand will become a key strategic issue for the United States, said the PFC Energy report. Public Appetite Just as the '70s oil shocks forced consumers to use energy more efficiently, so this year's price surge may bolster the public appetite for steps to curb consumption, such as imposing tougher fuel standards on gas-guzzling sports utility vehicles. There has been a widening of the political spectrum in terms of who sees this as an important issue, said PFC Energy's Seth Kleinman. In terms of gasoline it's a relatively simple matter: It's a matter of increasing fuel economy standards. The trouble is the big automakers in Detroit are very opposed to it. Governments could also encourage companies to hold fuller stocks to cushion against disruption to supply, the analysts added. Over the last decade, oil firms have run down commercial inventories to free up capital. The United States and other consuming countries need to take steps to remove the barriers that are artificially elevating prices, the Institute for International Economics' Verleger said. These steps include development of measures that assure better overall inventory management, aggressive advocacy of conservation, and promotion of greater flexibility in environmental standards. The array of grades of U.S. gasoline created by different states in a bid to reduce pollution has helped fuel the price surge by making it harder to ship supplies between regions. And while high gasoline taxes in Europe have helped control consumption, such policies have proved a political taboo in the United States. The need to control consumption will strengthen the case for alternative technologies, such as hybrid gas-electric cars, or fuel cells - electric vehicles powered by combining hydrogen from a fuel source and oxygen from the air. While hybrid cars still account for just a tiny fraction of the car pool, sector leader Toyota has targeted annual global sales of 300,000 vehicles by 2005. Some U.S. buyers will wait up to six months for their cars to arrive. There is no alternative to dependence on Middle Eastern oil, but there will be alternatives to oil, PFC Energy said. Source: Reuters ___ Biofuel mailing
[Biofuel] Oil serves but also burns us
Outside View Oil serves but also burns us DUBAI, (UPI) United Arab Emirates, Oct. 5 , 2004 - By mixing oil with politics in Iraq, the United States has started a fire it cannot put out. The Iraqi oil industry, and with it vital exports of Iraqi oil, has collapsed. Compounding matters, catastrophe came at a time when the world is badly in need of more oil, while producers are running on empty, unable to pump more from beneath their sands and seas. Result: Oil prices have shot up to $50 per barrel for the first time in history, maybe $60 tomorrow and who knows what the day after tomorrow. Politicians may argue about costs and benefits of America's adventure in Iraq and whether the occupation was a good or bad thing. But no one can deny the obvious, which is the move has massively reduced oil supplies from one of the world's major oil producers, which in turn has significantly contributed to shaking the stability, security and price of the world's sole strategic commodity. Equally distressing, there appears to be no end in sight and no substitute for the missing Iraqi oil. As things stand, the Iraqi oil industry is in ruins. Refineries were looted under the very gaze of American troops and television cameras the very first week of the invasion. Ever since, Iraqi oil fields, terminals, and pipelines are regularly blown up by insurgents in attacks American soldiers have failed to stop. The sum total has been to deprive an oil-hungry world of an average of 2 million barrels a day. In a nutshell, Iraq used to produce 3.5 million barrels a day under Saddam Hussein's iron-fisted rule. On a good day now the country is lucky to pump 1.5 million without interruptions. That is an awesome drop with evident consequences for world economies. That is not the way George W. Bush and his administration figured things, but then oversimplified political calculations such as those of neo-conservatives always lead to poor outcomes. Those who pushed for war in Iraq thought they had an easy, done deal in three simple steps. One: occupy Iraq; Two: turn it into a private American Gasoline Station Pumping Station (call it USA ONE), doubling production with the help of American oil companies to more than 6 million barrels of oil per day. Three: use this huge new oil to intimidate traditional suppliers, including Saudi Arabia, other OPEC members as well as Russia, which has become a major producer of oil. But as the proverb says: You do not exit the hamam (steam bath) the same as you entered. Oil is a capricious thing that serves but also burns. In Iraq, insurgents and technocrats appear to have joined hands turning the sabotage of oil facilities into a weapon against American troops and the American-selected Iraqi government. Whether this is right or wrong, moral or immoral is another story, but it has completely reversed neo-conservatives' calculations and incapacitated the government of Prime Minister Eyad Allawi, which is loosing credibility by the day. Should the disruption of Iraqi oil exports be compounded by any interruption of production from Russia, Africa, OPEC and especially a very vulnerable Saudi Arabia , oil prices are sure to spiral out of control. Thinking of $100 a barrel is no longer crazy if, say, Saudi Arabia were to shut down its 9.5 million barrels of daily production even for an hour. In Iraq things are not getting better. At the last count, the northern pipeline that carries oil to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan has been blown up 37 times in 12 months. Terminals in the south at Basra have been attacked at least 10 times, shutting down all exports of crude oil. What is worse is no one really knows where the oil revenues are going and how much of any revenues reach the Iraqi people. Graft and corruption are widespread by all accounts, feeding the anger that is feeding the insurgency. Ironically, the United States is now supplying Iraq with gasoline and diesel fuel because Iraqi refineries are still in ruins, and kidnapping expatriates trying to repair them will keep them this way. Meanwhile, the world still needs roughly 81 million barrels every day. But that same exact number is just about all that can be produced right now so supplies are, as the oil analysts like to say stretched. They are going to get more stretched as demand keeps rising relentlessly by some 1.3 percent to 3 percent year on year, propelled by two huge Asian economic tigers, China and India, with voracious new appetite for oil. OPEC does not have more to pump right now; neither does Russia, nor do other producers. Deepening this conundrum is the fact that it takes time and money to produce more oil. Billions of dollars in investments must be made in oil fields to increase the quantity that comes out as it takes time from conception to reality. Oil is not an elevator that comes up at the touch of a button. And the investments to produce more
Re: [Biofuel] reverse pump washing???
Im going to try something this weekend. instead of pumping water through the fuel during the wash Im going to pump the fuel down to the bottom of the wash vessel. I just thought instead of putting tiny amounts of water through the fuel maybe I could pump tiny amount of fuel through the water and let it float up through the water. Im hoping that it will take more of the residue out of the fuel faster. the only problem I can see happening is I will probably have more water to settle out after the wash is finished Interesting idea. I don't see why you should have more water to settle out though, it should amount to the same thing. I will write back again after my trials are finished. Please do. Please tell us what sort of pump you're using, what you pump it in through so it comes out as droplets and so on. It sounds similar to the way Michael Allen pumps the methanol/methoxide into his Deepthort reactor for the process, through a sparger at the bottom of the reactor vessel: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html The Deepthort 100B Good luck, best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing
G'day; Well, I have come across another part of the learning curve. I was looking at some of your earlier posts, very interesting to chart your progress in the last six months or so. The learning curve is a bit like completion in the process, it never quite gets there, and the curve never flattens either, but you're not rock-climbing anymore or scaling overhangs, just a gentle incline now. Someone said learning how to make biodiesel is about as difficult as learning gardening or how to brew your own beer, which is probably about right. It's easy, but you don't ever stop learning either. Like life, eh? My processor/wash tank combo resides in a non-winterized pump house and the last two times I have processed a batch of BD (80liters each) I had a problem with saponification/emulsion and I believe I have it figured out. As a side note, this probably would not have happend with KOH, but I am using NaOH at the moment. The temps here have gone down at night quite a bit of late and this is the time that the settling is being done. The last two times I had to heat the plumbing at the exit point of the reator in order to get the glycerine to flow, at the same time turning on the reactor's heat for about 30-45 minutes, as the glycerine had hardened in the plumbing as well as inside the reactor. Once the glycerine begins flowing it does so very well, HOWEVER it does not all come out as there is still some that gets melted while the hot BD is being transfered to the wash tank as witnessed by a sharp darkening of the colour in the sight tube as it comes out. I immediately stop the pump and drain the remainder out the glycerine drain at the bottom, but not before some of it has blended with the BD being transfered and this results in a layer of creamed chicken soup that won't break. The fuel is good, as the shake test proves, athough there is glycerine being mixed with the BD, not good. Solution? Re-heat the lot and pump mix again when hot and let setlle a few hours and drain, let settle some more and drain again until the volume approaches what would normally come out the glycerine drain when the weather is warm. :-( Alternative solution? Send the lot, immediately after initial processing, into a seperate settling tank that has been set up using the standpipe design (metal tank with bungs downward), let settle and then drain out the BD FIRST via the standpipe and pumped to the wash tank, and then flip on the welded immersion heater that has been inserted near the floor of the secondary settling tank thereby heating the glycerine layer and making it flow easier. A visual over the edge will tell if the whole glycerine layer got drained or not and this way NO glycerine is getting in the BD. That's how we do it with the 90-litre processor. The processor and holding tank both have a T-section and two valves fitted to the bottom drain, one valve for draining off the glycerine by-product, the other for transferring the biodiesel to the washing tanks via the pump. We use a couple of short lengths of PVC waterpipe narrowed at one end to fit inside the outlet drains. The length (height) of the pipes is calculated to be higher than the depth of by-product in the bottom of the tank after settling. This stand-pipe means the biodiesel can be pumped out to the washing tanks without getting any by-product in it. Later we remove the stand-pipe and drain off the by-product. The drained glyc comes with a bit of biodiesel left on top, after it's settled again the biodiesel is easily poured off into whichever wash tank isn't being used, ready for the next wash. A couple of times, before I started using the standpipes, I did manage to get some glyc by-product mixed in with the biodiesel, but it wasn't a problem. As soon as it was all transferred to the wash tank I chucked a bucketful of water on top of it, quite roughly, and left it to settle for an hour, which seemed to remove the glyc, or anyway there weren't any washing problems after that. It was quite a lot of glyc, not just a few cc. Sorry Luc, I've lost track - do you have your secondary settling tank set up already or is it the intention? Better system yet? Use potassium hydroxide and don't worry about theabove time-consuming PITA (Pain In The Anatomy). Yes. Your winter temps are lower than ours are, but it does hit -15 deg C here (5 deg F) here, and using KOH the glyc has never solidified. Anyway, did this complicate your results with the sprinkler wash system? As still somewhat of a beginner at this BD making stuff I have a whack of NaOH that I got from a chem supply house that now has to be used, although once I have thorougly pefected using my system and understanding it's ups and downs to where I ma comfortable with it's nuances I will be looking into KOH as a catalyst. That will be for the next season, as this one winds down due to cold and I don't have the with all to properly
Re: [Biofuel] Magnets
Yes, the free energy folks are a breed of birds unto themselves. Kirk When the war on terror is over, there will be no more terror. Just like the war on drugs, and you can't buy drugs anymore MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shoot. Bygolly has I gotcha ah hybrid veehickle fur yall. Model T Magnetic Engine 04/06/97 http://www.keelynet.com/energy/ford.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's illegal but I don't really care about that. Do you know how the lubricity compares between the two? -- Martin Klingensmith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Fire ants wasZXZX
They love egg yolk so they eat it. Sprinkling it only gets them to ingest what they get when they clean their legs. Mix it in the yolk. When it dries out make some more. Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks, I know boric acid will keep them out of my cupboards, but they don't seem to die from it. Could you please give further information of this method? My barn and home are under the same roof so every time I bring home a load of hay, I get an invasion. I use stevia to sweeten beverages and it has the side effect of lowering blood pressure, but not as dramatically as cinnamon, I would guess. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:34 AM 10/9/2004, you wrote: I used boric acid and egg yolk for the common German cockroach when I lived in Southern California. They like egg yolk so much they don't run when the light is first turned on. I think whatever ants like but with boric acid not borax would do the trick. I use a heaping teaspoon of cinammon to lower my bloodsugar. Works as well as my Amaryl tablets. Kirk Kim Garth Travis wrote: The fire ants thrive on that mixture, we tried it, but thanks for the suggestion. Cinnamon doesn't hurt the children, pets or crickets. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:03 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: No fire ants in Oregon but we do have sugar ants. We use equal parts borax, powdered sugar and yeast. Non-toxic to kids and pets. The yeast goes back to the queen and kapow she blows up and the ants start to disappear. Mike C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buck Williams wrote: , 3 to 4 applications of urine from a male that eats meat will kill the hill completely. The early morning variety of urine is the most effective. Bright Blessings, Kim hi kimm, i imagine that paraticlular firee ant warfare is a praetty good stress relivever alsoandd if ithe neighb ors say anything,, just say,,, hey, itsss fire ants,,, theyll understand,,,they may not understand that your killim themm but they will approve,,buck _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
Then we have centralized power plants utilizing part of the generated power to run pumps and fans to cool the bottom end of the cycle instead of the heat being available as process heat, hot water or space heat. Then we have right of ways and condemnation of private property to route transmission lines which leak energy and utilize steel and aluminum. Another lovely property they have is to conduct lightning into your house and kill appliances. I've lost several. Then there is rf noise and how it ruins shortwave reception. The biological effects of hv are still under debate. Need I go on? Distributed generation is more reliable but it breaks the hold a few have on energy. Energy, like food and banking are monopolies and the owners won't give them up easily. Kirk Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Mullan To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 04:56 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I'll plead ignorance right off the bat. But is fossil fuel truely carbon negative? The plants and animals they are derived from were living and breathing albeit a few million years ago. It's just been held in escrow for a while :) It's just the human virus that's releasing it all in a short 100 years. Think of how much energy it takes to transform 1 barrel of crude oil into it's end products. I have heard that by the time that just transporting 1 barrel of crude oil to the refinery, cost is at least 1 1/2 barrels of oil, then you have to heat it up ( and that takes more oil ) to refine it, then transport ( again more oil ) the products to processing plants, and/or fuel stations ( and that takes more fuel ). Allot of oil is used just making the oil usable to the final consumer, because it is not being used to do anything other than to transport oil and oil products. On the other hand using WVO, to make BioDiesel ( or as is ), your using a product that have already seen the normal the end of it's normal usage, and putting it to work. The amount of energy used to make it available for use is minimal, because it has already been transported to the general vicinity were it is going to be used. Many time it can be had for next to nothing, other than the work to recover it from the fryer vats. The carbon in the ground in sequestered, and when it is used it puts it into the air, where it is unhealthy. In the ground it contains various elements that are bound up, that become toxic ( or otherwise unhealthy to one degree or another ) when released into the air. To say that it is in escrow is wrong, because by binding the elements up out of reach in the ground were they are less 'toxic' then it is actualy doing us a favor by being ( staying ) in the ground. I will give you this. There was a time when crude petroleum and it's products was necessary to get mankind started down the road of technology, but, now we are technologically at point that they are becoming more problematic than a necessity. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ?
Hi Max: I have a few questions for clarification. Are you saying that you are running two of your petron engine cars on kerosine? Kerosene is actually diesel fuel no.1, right? And the dino-diesel we usually use is diesel no.2 which is less refined than no.1. So what you are saying is that you are running your gasoline cars on diesel fuel? If it is posible to run a gasoline engine with diesel fuel then it is also posible to run it on biodiesel. Please elaborate some more. I want to learn how you do it. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gasman Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Petrol/Paraffin Motor ? On the 23th of September you wrote: Hello all! Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin? I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap. What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and implications for engine life? Phil Rendel English Department Kingswood College, Burton Street, Grahamstown snip on the 3d of October, I among others, responded: Hello Phil! If you wish, and Keith allows us to talk in depth about how to arrange a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene), I can offer you my experience of 13 years and over 100.000 km with two of my cars. Both driven by motorpetroleum and waterinjection (actually suctioned by the motor itself, the same way as the fuel). Max Gasman 4.10.2004 : Now, are you still interested in some observation I made, or do you want to describe your starting point? Otherwise I will start to respond to others, who perhaps have a different starting point. What am I schoolmastering ? ; first come, first served... Max Gasman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnets
Shoot. Bygolly has I gotcha ah hybrid veehickle fur yall. Model T Magnetic Engine 04/06/97 http://www.keelynet.com/energy/ford.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Magnets -was: Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan... MAGNETS
The owner of this site recommends using magnets. http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm He says he doesn't know how it works but that it just works. The site is about diesel motorcycles. Best, Christopher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MH Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Magnets -was: Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan... MAGNETS Hi Don, I tried some magnets on the fuel lines on a couple of my vehicles years ago. My experience, no noticeable difference in fuel economy. Some reference material below that might be of interest. Gas Saving and Emission Reduction Devices Evaluation [1970-1999] This page contains downloadable [PDF] test reports for specific products that EPA tested under the Aftermarket Retrofit Device Evaluation Program, also known as the 511 Program. EPA evaluates aftermarket retrofit devices which are claimed to improve fuel economy and/or reduce exhaust emissions. The purpose of the program is to generate, analyze, and disseminate technical data; EPA does not approve or certify retrofit devices. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm An example from site above -- Evaluation of the Super-Mag Fuel Extender. Abstract The Super-Mag is a retrofit device marketed by Valor Enterprises, Inc. of West Milton, Ohio. It consists of a set of magnets and sheet metal plates that are installed around an automobile's fuel line near the carburetor in a box-like arrangement. Valor Enterprises makes no claim in the installation instructions nor in its packaging for increased fuel economy or reduced emissions. On the package label this statement appears, 'Transforms Molecular Properties of Liquid Fuel to Maxium Combustion Efficiency.' The conclusions from EPA device evaluations can be considered quantatively valid only for the specific test vehicles used; however, it is reasonable to extrapolate the results from the EPA Evaluation of other vehicles in a directional manner. That is, to suggest that similar results are likely to be achieved on other vehicles. Neither fuel economy or exhaust emissions were affected by the installation of the Super-Mag device on the cars used in this evaluation. Hi all MAGNETS TO IMPROVE COMBUSTION?...and OTHER USES SNIP Don Johnston ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
