Lyle,
> Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's
> generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of
> perfectly good fuel?
I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in
energy
from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient?
That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service
to
you.
You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however.
Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most
part
are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy
inputs by
making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances.
Todd Swearingen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyle Estill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
> Gang,
>
> I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the
> courage to post.
>
> Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's
> generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of
> perfectly good fuel?
>
> From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical
> arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on
grid.
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote:
>
> > Kirk,
> >
> > Did that fellow say that "every China diesel owner achieved in
excess
> > of
> > 10,000 hours?" Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would
> > also be a
> > rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to
have the
> > top
> > end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point
there.
> > You're
> > also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal
of
> > engine
> > mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the
whole
> > roost.
> >
> > Todd Swearingen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kirk McLoren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
> >
> >
> >> That fellow "Skip" who wrote "More Power to You" said he knew
China
> >> diesel
> > owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We
know
> > trucks
> > go 1000000 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours
> >>
> >> Kirk
> >>
> >> Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Robert,
> >>
> >>> What is the flaw I am missing?
> >>
> >> You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your
idea work
> >> without a storage system you would have to conduct all your
energy
> > consuming
> >> activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best
> >> served
> > by
> >> installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as
> >> required.
> >>
> >> You've also got to "depreciate" your gennie. Check the
manufacturer's
> >> estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours
before a
> >> rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie
or
> >> paying
> >> the rebuild costs every second or third year.
> >>
> >> Todd Swearingen
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Robert Del Bueno"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM
> >> Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
> >>
> >>
> >>> So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business,
we use
> >>> on
> >>> average about 2000kWH per month.
> >>> If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a
day, 30
> > days
> >> a
> >>> month...
> >>>
> >>> 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ...
> >>>
> >>> I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates
for
> > intertie
> >>> power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems
> >>> like I
> >>> could do well.
> >>> Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot
water
> > for
> >>> heating applications.
> >>> I have a steady supply of good SVO.
> >>> And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable.
> >>> I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount,
but
> >>> will
> >> be
> >>> applicable for future solar pv use as well.
> >>>
> >>> What is the flaw I am missing?
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
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