Re: [Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method
Gregg, Are you sure there was no water in the WO before beginning? Sounds like you have a ton of soap if you are not getting *any* separation. At a minimum the alcohol layer should separate back out. Remember when you mix the methanol with the oil you are basically creating an emulsion. When you stop mixing the only thing that's going to hold them together is soap. kk Gregg Davidson wrote: Hello Everyone, I started on a new batch of biodiesel this past Friday. I'm using Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method had a lot of success last year with it. Now it seems that I've hit the proverbial brick wall. I've cafefully calculated the volume, 25 litres of WVO, warmed the WVO to 35* C, added 2 litres (8%) of methanol, mixed for 15 minutes rather than 5, then added 25 mls of 98% sulfuric acid. Maintaining 35* C mixing for 1 hour, then shut off the heat mixed for another hour. Afterward s, the WVO sat overnight. Saturday morning I started Stage 2. I had mixed the m ethoxide Friday night let it settle. I used 3 litres of methanol 87.8 grams of NaOH. I used the full 3.5 grams of NaOH that Aleks mentioned due to oil pur ity questions. Prior to heating, I added 1.5 litres of the methoxide to the WVO started the stirrer. I allowed the mixture to stir for 15 minutes to ensure a complete mixing. Afterwards, I heated the WVO to 55* C. The burner I was usin g is a bit tricky to r egulate the heat varied from 55* to 61* C. The process went on for 2.75 hours, all seemed well. I po ured some of what I thought was biodiesel into a 2 litre beaker so I could moni tor the settling. No noticable settling had occurred after 24 hours, generall y you start to see settling within a few minutes. I backtracked thought that perhaps it just needed some extra methoxide, so I made up some more using the v olumes Aleks says to use, 750 mls methanol (3%) 24 grams of NaOH (.75 grams + 25% as I thought my NaOH had carbonated), reheated the WVO to 55* C, added th e new methoxide solution, maintaining heat stirring for 1hour. Afterwards, I found that I had the same problem, no separation of glycerine esters. I was not able to get a pH reading on the oil as I do not have a meter at my di sposal. I may have just undershot everything. I'm not sure if there is a point that WVO can reach that this method would deal with to render a quality biodies el. I know that the base reaction needs a pH of 8 to 9, but what pH does the ac id reaction need to crack the FFA's. As always, any help, suggestions, or critisms are welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [3]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [4]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [5]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [7]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 3. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 4. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 5. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 6. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
The US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome. There's no question that the Soviets did the lion's share of fighting and defeating the German Army. However, leaving aside lend-lease shipments, there's one area in which the involvement of the Western Allies (the US and UK) was pivotal to the defeat of Germany, and that was the Air war, and the bombing campaigns. Richard Overy, in his book How the Allies Won (if I'm recalling the title correctly) makes that case rather well. Bill On Apr 9, 2005 8:19 PM, bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, Good to hear from you. I think we're at cross purposes here. My sole concern re US losses in WW2 was to underline one point: total American dead in the Pacific campaign under General MacArthur as supreme commander were many times fewer than in the European theatre under Eisenhower. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Rick Littrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Dear Bob, With respect to the US contribution to the European theater consider that at Stalingrad the German losses were 300,000 and the Russian 400,000 and Stalingrad was a battle that the Russians won! At Kursk the Germans lost 100,000 killed and wounded and the Russians 250,000 killed and 600,000 wounded. It was the largest armored battle prior to the 1967 Arab - Israeli war. The US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome. Rick ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity
subject. Dispensationalists are also easily identified by negatives - what you don't see them doing is talking a lot about such basic Christian tenets as God is Love for instance, or the Sermon on the Mount, let alone practising such things, quite the opposite. This view is neither Christian, nor biblical. It's a perversion of the scriptures; writings which demand stewardship of creation. It's anti-Christian, IMHO, little more than a demonic cult, at its worst. I'd take action against an attack on a genuine religion on the list, but I don't believe this is a religion, it's a perversion, as you say, and a highly lethal one. Nice references too Robert, thanks. I reffed these before: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html Comment US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power George Monbiot Tuesday April 20, 2004 http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13750 Fundamentally Unsound By Michelle Goldberg, Salon August 2, 2002 Useful, I think. (No, I'm not a Christian, though I was brought up as one. I don't have a religion, nor feel any need of one.) What's all this got to do with BIOFUELS?!!! LOL! Apart from what you say about the environment Robert (quite correct), would-be topic cops could try this: Oil and Israel http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/34947/ (Which caused us a lot of trouble! - pretty much proving what Mr Dreyfuss says, as if it needed any proof.) Best wishes Keith Rick Littrell wrote: Dear Robert, Thanks for your comments. They are vary helpful. I'm not sure I understand this Neo Con Dispensationalist principle but I also have to confess I don't understand the Neo Cons all that well. Not all NeoCons are dispensationalists, nor are all dispensationalists NeoCons, and I certainly can't claim to understand either. (I find dispensationalism the most confusing eschatology ever devised by mankind!) There are enough people in powerful positions who use one perspective or the other to justify policies that amount to fascism, and by couching their rhetoric in pseudo-religious phrasing lead a great many sincere people astray. This is a complex issue, so by being brief, I will not do justice to the topic. It has, however, been discussed at length in this forum, and you can learn a lot by searching the archives. You are likely aware that the United States is a very diverse nation, comprised of people from a wide range of political and religious persuasions; among these a large group of very zealous Christians constitutes a kind of critical, political mass. Many Christians believe that worldly society opposes their core belief structure, they feel persecuted and oppressed by liberal society, and further, that it is their right as Americans to demand political representation for their point of view. This has been exploited by some people in Christian leadership circles who seek to galvanize support for legislation that would return morality to American society. (Has American society EVER been moral?) Because this group of Christian people is actually rather diverse, there are some common denominator issues that cut across many racial, ethnic and denominational barriers. I will explain these as best as I can. At its core, the most widespread Christian point of view sees the world as a hostile place, where strong moral leadership is necessary to guard against danger. Thus, a powerful father figure helps to focus support. (This explains the vehement opposition to Mr. Clinton we witnessed a few years ago.) In a world filled with evil, strength is necessary for protection; therefore, a large military budget and strict policing benefits society. Business exists in a competitive environment, so a legitimate role of the government is to protect American business interests from hostile actions by foreign companies and governments. These people see themselves as intrinsically good and moral. Their affluence is taken as an indicator that God is blessing their course of action. Anyone who lives beyond the bounds of their narrowly defined morality can be dismissed as worthy of nothing more than punishment. Therefore, these moral people want strict laws, long imprisonment for criminals, and think nothing of killing godless foreigners or ignoring the plight of the poor, a group of subhumans deserving of God's wrath for not following his edicts. (That must be, after all, why they're poor!) They see liberal people as weak, immoral and oblivious to the truth of their perspective. A radical political movement has overtaken the Republican party, but interestingly, it started with disgruntled Democrats. (In the 1980s they were called Reagan Democrats) The NeoCons (and their allies) see an opportunity for popular support among the above described conservative Christians (an utter oxymoron from a
[Biofuel] English - was Re: Dutch speaking biofuel group(?)
Hans, I to, live in belgium and could easier speak write dutch or flemish than english; but this here is somewhat an international list, with mostly english ( american ) ( speaking) people, who can not understand a word from what you were saying here. Well, I did, I'm sure I'm not the only one. with mostly english ( american ) ( speaking) people, Not so, there are members here from more than a hundred countries (at least), and Americans are a minority. It's very much a global list. Indeed the list language is English, or it's supposed to be, but you'll find Spanish-language posts here too, for instance, and that's just fine, and to be encouraged. Google helps: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en Language Tools Write in Dutch or Flemish if you like, no problem - when it gets to something that should be shared, try it in English. Your language sklls are very good, it shouldn't be much trouble for you. Non-native English speakers do tend to be too shy, nervous and apologetic about their language skills, and I REALLY wish they weren't! One of the reasons that English has become the global language is that you can speak or write it really badly and it's still easy to understand. Please, all, if you're nervous about your English, just relax and do it! Nobody will criticise you for it or laugh at you, and if anyone does they'll definitely be shouted down by the rest of the group (including me). Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner So, may I propose to make a seperate emailgroup for flemish/dutch speaking people from The netherlands(holland) and Belgium ( Flanders ) ; intrested in biodiesel WVO / SVO ? Maybe a Yahoo group? http://groups.yahoo.com/ If you go there a do a search for biodiesel there are already 83 groups about that ! Not one on the moment with dutch for conversation. only: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bio-diesel/ A dutch list-owner but english spoken, very scientific but not very active group. So lets start one ??? Bruno M. At 15:07 10/04/2005, Hans wrote: Jan, Mooi om te horen dat er zelfs olie tot -15 lopend blijft. Kunnen we elkaar niet verder in het nederlands mailen, ik kom uit Belgie en heb enorm interesse om mijn stookolie te vervangen door afgewerkte olie. Mijn mailadres is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groeten Hans - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil At the moment I use used frying oil, but the main problem is that this already starts to solidify at about 15 ¡C. I have had a can of Sunflower Oil standing outside during the winter and It staid liquid even at temperatures at -15 ¡C. I also hope to produce a BD that I can also use during winter time. With kind regards, Jan Lieuwe Bolding The Netherlands - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil On Apr 8, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Jan Lieuwe Bolding wrote: Has anyone experience with Straight Sunflower Oil to produce BioDiesel? I bought my oilseed ram press from Tanzania largely for sunflower and safflower (tho it does a fine job on flax and yellow mustard as well). They all make fine biodiesel. Did you have some specific concerns? Really almost any seed oil will make excellent fuel. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Evolution - was Re: The Lutec over unity device
You said: Evolution is not science, it's a worldview that fits a set of religious beliefs and as such is really only a religious precursor. Certainly not science. I think you're the one who's religious about it. You say a lot of things that you expect us to accept sight-unseen, but there some rather visible holes in it. I've seen quite a few purportedly scientific articles trying to debunk evolution, they raise a chickle - when you approach them as an editor would, asking questions, you'd soon have to spike them as unpublishable. Quite a lot of what you say seems rather similar. A few snippets... What we're looking at is interpretation of objects through the lens of personal beliefs. But you're not? No, what I'm saying is that we explain the objective evidences of fosselized skeletons through the lens of our presuppositions. And you don't? How was this date determined? That's easily ascertained, but I think you'd reject it anyway and whatever, just as you've been doing, and also without offering any basis for your own presuppositions in the doing. As with this, for instance: Question: When someone wants to date an object, why must they tell the selected lab a date range you expect the answer to fall within? Question: Why do none of the dating methods used to date rock agree within 1 to 2 orders of magnitude (if they can be applied at all to your specific sample)? If I dated you, and told you that by three methods of measurement you are 7.5, 75 or 750 years old, how much credibility would you give my 'scientific' methods? My first question about your 'results' would be why not 7.5 days, or 7500 centuries? What happened to your pig's tooth skull and the Piltdown scam? You kind of evaded the question, didn't you? This: As far as human development is concerned, we're talking of at least six million years, not a few hundred. Again, how did you arrive at this dating? If we select to breed a hairless dog, can we take only that stock and select for a long hair? No, we must actually re-introduce other genes to allow us to reselect on the information that was eliminated by our previous breeding. Probably not so - I think the gene will be repressed, not removed. Do you know much about domestic animals that have gone feral? So my original comment that the environmental pressure that creates a new trait actually arguably better represents de-evolution still stands. Again, the first part is easily ascertained. As for the second part, for one thing, your hairless dog example is shorn of the entire context of evolution and environment, leaving nothing but a kennel and a few mutts - a bit like the early (Victorian) studies of ape behaviour, confined to captives in European zoos, and almost entirely wrong as a result. You think breeding is the same thing? I don't. I think you're getting confused by a modernist idea - evolution doesn't necessarily mean Progress, or not with a capital P anyway. A common result is an ever-better adaptation to an ever smaller ecological niche; increased efficiency notwithstanding, whether this specialisation is Progress or not depends on how secure the niche might be, and it often isn't: when conditions change, as they will, these species are often unable to back out of it and fail. But this outcome is external to the process of evolution itself, not a relevant argument in the current context. Ever-adaptible human generalists with their big brains (which they hardly use) are perhaps an exception, a sport. (Or an experiment, some argue, very attractively, Eugene Marais for instance.) Anyway, your horizons are too narrow: For example: A current leading evolutionist, Jeffrey Schwartz, professor of anthropology at the University of Pittsburgh, has recently acknowledged that: . . . it was and still is the case that, with the exception of Dobzhansky's claim about a new species of fruit fly, the formation of a new species, by any mechanism, has never been observed. Jeffrey H. Schwartz, Sudden Origins (New York. John Wiley, 1999), p. 300. And of course, we still have a fruit fly, not something else. Over what, the immense time-span of 150 years? What a surprise! Quite aside from the fact that a very large number of species, probably the majority, have not yet been studied, many not even identified, which doesn't leave us in any position to pontificate about it. So, Tim, where do all these different species come from then? And how have we evolved, or whatever it is you think it is that's brought us thus far if you don't think we evolved? As we look for solutions to sustainable energy production and use, incorrect presuppositions may very well prevent us from finding the answer. As with life, so what's new? We're rigorous here, we make good progress. Over the last five years the group as a whole seems to have steered itself rather unerringly between the Scylla and Charybdis of unimaginative
Re: [Biofuel] The need for Gmail invitation
Thought I'd present the other side of this discussion by a noted privacy advocate and open source proponent (basically our kind of people I think). [1]http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4707 (The Fuss About Gmail and Privacy: Nine Reasons Why It's Bogus) Keith Addison wrote: Hello Pannirselvam Hello Keith and all our list members Gmail is going to increase from 1 Mega To 2 Mega , as I have alot of invitation to be sent , Most of our list members are welcome as our e mail list is very big one . Please kindly inform if any one really need as gmail help us too There are some concerns about gmail. I think it's as well to be aware of them. See: [2]http://www.google-watch.org/ Google Watch [3]http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html Gmail is too creepy [4]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3602745.stm BBC NEWS | Business | Google's Gmail sparks privacy row 5 April, 2004 [5]http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/GmailLetter.htm Thirty-One Privacy and Civil Liberties Organizations Urge Google to Suspent Gmail [6]http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,62917,00.html Wired News: Free E-Mail With a Steep Price? Regards Keith Thanking all sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [8]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [9]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [10]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [11]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [13]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4707 2. http://www.google-watch.org/ 3. http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html 4. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3602745.stm 5. http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/GmailLetter.htm 6. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,62917,00.html 7. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 9. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 10. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 11. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 12. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 13. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] soap, glycerine by-product and how my farm is
Actually my land is real flat, so underground will not work. I have looked into solar dehydrators, but with my normal humidity of 80%, it is hard to dry anything. We run the hot water through the towel rack while having our showers in order to heat and dry the towels. They naturally soak up moisture from our environment. If you know how to dehydrate with high humidity, I would love to learn. Would you like plans for a VERY cheap dehumidifier (probably less than $20) that can take out over a gallon of water a day (depending on humidity) ?? Incidently we are having an underground (Earth Sheltered) house built, and below 4' the tempreture is around 50 oF (coldest)in Winter and 64 oF (warmest) in summer, so maybe even a Storm Cellar type structure built into the ground may work. Rob Image by FlamingText.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method
Hello Everyone, I started on a new batch of biodiesel this past Friday. I'm using Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method had a lot of success last year with it. Now it seems that I've hit the proverbial brick wall. I've cafefully calculated the volume, 25 litres of WVO, warmed the WVO to 35* C, added 2 litres (8%) of methanol, mixed for 15 minutes rather than 5, then added 25 mls of 98% sulfuric acid. Maintaining 35* C mixing for 1 hour, then shut off the heat mixed for another hour. Afterwards, the WVO sat overnight. Saturday morning I started Stage 2. I had mixed the methoxide Friday night let it settle. I used 3 litres of methanol 87.8 grams of NaOH. I used the full 3.5 grams of NaOH that Aleks mentioned due to oil purity questions. Prior to heating, I added 1.5 litres of the methoxide to the WVO started the stirrer. I allowed the mixture to stir for 15 minutes to ensure a complete mixing. Afterwards, I heated the WVO to 55* C. The burner I was using is a bit tricky to regulate the heat varied from 55* to 61* C. The process went on for 2.75 hours, all seemed well. I poured some of what I thought was biodiesel into a 2 litre beaker so I could monitor the settling. No noticable settling had occurred after 24 hours, generally you start to see settling within a few minutes. I backtracked thought that perhaps it just needed some extra methoxide, so I made up some more using the volumes Aleks says to use, 750 mls methanol (3%) 24 grams of NaOH (.75 grams + 25% as I thought my NaOH had carbonated), reheated the WVO to 55* C, added the new methoxide solution, maintaining heat stirring for 1hour. Afterwards, I found that I had the same problem, no separation of glycerine esters. I was not able to get a pH reading on the oil as I do not have a meter at my disposal. I may have just undershot everything. I'm not sure if there is a point that WVO can reach that this method would deal with to render a quality biodiesel. I know that the base reaction needs a pH of 8 to 9, but what pH does the acid reaction need to crack the FFA's. As always, any help, suggestions, or critisms are welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests
suitable tree varieties that would provide income for my children in 20 or 30 years. In the states we have people working as County Agents in the various counties where information can be obtained for agriculture type questions. I haven't been able to find that type person or office in Canada as yet to help me with that information. Any information on a Canadan government office where I could obtain that information would be appreciated. Hal Galerneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hal. I'm curious, are you looking for volunteers to help plant those trees? Is this an attempt to reforest a clear-cut? In a message dated 3/18/2005 12:32:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Hal Hewett I read with interest your post to Guag Meister on Biofuel that you are conected with Canadian forestry. My wife and I purchased 80 acres at Ft. Frances, Ontario and I have been unsucessful to locate someone to tell me what kind of trees to plant,where I can purchase them in Canada, and who I might find to plant them for me. We'll go north in the summer but at 75 I might not be able to plant them myself. Thank you for any information you might be able to give me to contact the proper agency. Hal Galerneau Hal Hewett wrote: Dear Guag: Seems a good approach would be to effect a gradual transition. I gather you're in Thailand and no nothing of that region, but I do work in forestry in Canada and am semi reliant on biofuels. There is no such thing as a useless tree--- promote the harvesting of less desired species and restock as you go. Have Fun, HRMH --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Dutch speaking biofuel group(?) was Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil
Hi, Good with me. I live in the Netherlands and have been trying to find a biodiesel supplier in Amsterdam for ages. There's no one, so now I'm going on a course to learn how to make it myself. You can also try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel-europe/ - About time this list got some traffic... Thanks, Sam Quoting Bruno M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hans, I to, live in belgium and could easier speak write dutch or flemish than english; but this here is somewhat an international list, with mostly english ( american ) ( speaking) people, who can not understand a word from what you were saying here. So, may I propose to make a seperate emailgroup for flemish/dutch speaking people from The netherlands(holland) and Belgium ( Flanders ) ; intrested in biodiesel WVO / SVO ? Maybe a Yahoo group? http://groups.yahoo.com/ If you go there a do a search for biodiesel there are already 83 groups about that ! Not one on the moment with dutch for conversation. only: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bio-diesel/ A dutch list-owner but english spoken, very scientific but not very active group. So lets start one ??? Bruno M. At 15:07 10/04/2005, Hans wrote: Jan, Mooi om te horen dat er zelfs olie tot -15 lopend blijft. Kunnen we elkaar niet verder in het nederlands mailen, ik kom uit Belgie en heb enorm interesse om mijn stookolie te vervangen door afgewerkte olie. Mijn mailadres is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groeten Hans - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil At the moment I use used frying oil, but the main problem is that this already starts to solidify at about 15 ¡C. I have had a can of Sunflower Oil standing outside during the winter and It staid liquid even at temperatures at -15 ¡C. I also hope to produce a BD that I can also use during winter time. With kind regards, Jan Lieuwe Bolding The Netherlands - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil On Apr 8, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Jan Lieuwe Bolding wrote: Has anyone experience with Straight Sunflower Oil to produce BioDiesel? I bought my oilseed ram press from Tanzania largely for sunflower and safflower (tho it does a fine job on flax and yellow mustard as well). They all make fine biodiesel. Did you have some specific concerns? Really almost any seed oil will make excellent fuel. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity
(The shifting sands of truth) There are some web pages that have tried to keep count, but it's a tough job. Funny how people don't notice, isn't it? I suppose Lakoff's explanation holds good (though he's not in very good odour right now, and he wasn't at all the first to observe this: One of the fundamental findings of cognitive science is that people think in terms of frames and metaphors - conceptual structures. The frames are in the synapses of our brains - physically present in the form of neural circuitry. When the facts don't fit the frames, the frames are kept and the facts ignored. -- George Lakoff The frames of reference used by the current administration have been foisted upon the American people in a highly effective propaganda campaign. I often wonder why so few of us notice what's happening. Perhaps moving to someone else's country has enabled me to see the mind control that many of my fellow citizens can't seem to comprehend. (The warmonger's perspective on civilian casualties) As indeed they would be, if they had any sense - and as you say, as Americans would be too. But it's the hallmark of the kind of thinking you're having to contend with NOT to put yourself in the other man's position. You're special, after all, and if the powers-behind-the-powers-that-be have done their jobs properly, you've already dehumanised the other guy to scumbag status, beneath your contempt, let alone your powers of empathy. But just who is then dehumanised? It's perhaps only our imaginations that keep us human, and that's exactly what they're for - to put yourself in the other guy's position. What bothers me most about this, is how the warmongering talk is couched in pseudo Christian rhetoric. The antithesis of Christian philosophy is the very apathy you've outlined above. I personally have a hard time liking people, but as a Christian, I would certainly not wish anyone harm. Arrogance and humility are polar opposite concepts. Christianity requires humility. The attitudes being promoted in my country right now are not Christian. (Mr. Chomsky) Well, that's their problem, isn't it? And, to put myself in the other guy's position, it's not quite the same as my dismissing people like Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins as dangerous maniacs, that's easily demonstrated , and it's easily demonstrated that Chomsky does not talk nonsense. Conservatives in the U.S., or at least the sector of them that we're talking of, are now famous for being unable to abide any views that differ from their own, as you've remarked, their intolerance is extreme (and most unAmerican, or anti-American). Elsewhere Chomsky is highly respected, whether he's agreed with or not. Anyway, okay, it's also your problem, you have to deal with these guys. Frequently! And yes, it IS a problem! (Pro Syrian protest in Lebanon) Virtually the entire US media ignored that, and were heavily criticised for their bias. Yet we still hear much grumbling about the liberal bias in the U.S. media. Ironic, isn't it? Well, as you pointed out, military power is a blunt weapon. When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. - Abraham Maslow. This is why military power should be employed with great reluctance and careful oversight. The job of a soldier is to impose his nation's will on other people while preserving his own life. If he dies, he can no longer serve his country. We consider his willingness to risk his own life as noble somehow, but in fact, the conduct of warfare is a ruthless business. There is nothing noble in killing, no matter how much patriotic language we employ to beautify the brutal. (Corruption) Um, especially with American involvement, with all due respect, on a much bigger scale than Saddam ever had the resources for. The whole thing is corrupt, all the way from the lies you mention to Halliburton et very much al to the imposition, or attempted imposition of all the one-sided neoliberal pro-corporate rules to rip the place off and all its resources. And they talk about democracy! LOL! Barefaced cheek is not something they seem to be short of. The idea was that we would liberate the nation, then utilize profit derived from the sale of Iraqi resources for rebuilding the country's infrastructure. This is pure NeoCon thinking: Use a small force, supported with overwhelming firepower, then let someone else pay for the damage. . . When we're done, we'll support a democracy that supports us; all done in the name of God and country. I'm sceptical, Robert, I'm a journalist after all. But I don't find much or any conflict between due scepticism/realism and optimism. Is it people you're suspicious of, or their institutions and organisations and corporations? They're not the same. I know myself well enough not to trust anyone like me! :- ) Did you read that piece? It's worth a read: Incident
Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
Todd, When I was there, I got the impression that it is a lot of sugar cane, in some islands close to mono culture already. Maybe palm oil for biodiesel could be a diversification, compared to sugar cane for Ethanol. LOL My impression is that the Islands of Hawaiians could rapidly be quite fossil fuel independent. Hakan At 11:45 PM 7/7/2005, you wrote: Stephan, I think you have to honestly ask what agriculture and/or native flora and fauna on the islands would be displaced by instituting palm mono-culture for liquid fuel production. A safe bet is that many Hawaiians feel that their limitted acreage might be better served in ways other than usurping it for fuel production. This doesn't mean that farming for fuel has to be dropped as part of a solution. But the degree/severity of that option is possibly problematic due oddly enough to the unique environment - not that all environments aren't unique. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices Hello Robert, and all Living in Hawaii, I wish gas was THAT cheap.. we are currently paying almostt $3 per gallon for #2 diesel, and that's rising by the minute. So...like the responsible guy I'm trying to be I wrote to all the newspapers about oil palms (which would do well here), about 630 gal of oil per acre per year.what an opportunity for biodiesel, thus making Hawaii at least partly independent from the Oil companies and the shipping companies. But you know what, nobody came to investigate further, no lawmaker wants to go on the internet to see for themselves, it seems. The only thing I am worried I'll accomplish is some lawmaker here trying to make homebiodiesel making ILLEGAL (Have to have insurance, environmental impact study, Hawaii with its ocean and reefs etc, can't have people messing around with dangerous chemicals here.) In Maui they are making BD but on the Big Island where they are wondering what to do with the land of the former sugar plantations and where they are complaining about the absence of an energy master plan for the islands... no interest. 1 acre of oil palms = powering 1 small diesel car forever Period..(I guess that's why you called it Journey To Forever) There are a bunch of BD makers here and SVO users, but they are all keeping a pretty low profile, and I'm beginning to see, why. Well I'm hoping for a more upbeat message for next time, and maybe some of the local guys could contact me to talk about where we are heading. Greetings, Stephan (808 959 3528) Hello everyone! This morning, gasoline prices hit $1.00 per liter for regular. I've never seen it higher than this. Premium fuel, which I have to run in my truck, is generally 20 cents more per liter, so I DIDN'T fill my tank this morning. . . Oh, for ethanol! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Evolution - was Re: The Lutec over unity device
Keith Addison wrote: You said: Evolution is not science, it's a worldview that fits a set of religious beliefs and as such is really only a religious precursor. Certainly not science. I think you're the one who's religious about it. You say a lot of things that you expect us to accept sight-unseen, but there some rather visible holes in it. I've seen quite a few purportedly scientific articles trying to debunk evolution, they raise a chickle - when you approach them as an editor would, asking questions, you'd soon have to spike them as unpublishable. Quite a lot of what you say seems rather similar. Please don't put words in my mouth. One of the most interesting things about challenging dogma is trying to deal with the emotional reaction that follows. Most of the rhetoric dealing with evolution expects the great 'unwashed' masses to accept it's tenants sight unseen. They make their appeals to the seasoned and baptised practitioners of science. By the way, attack of the person and guilt by association are two arguing techniques that attempt to disarm the opponent without dealing with the arguments. A few snippets... What we're looking at is interpretation of objects through the lens of personal beliefs. But you're not? Of course I do; so does everyone... even those that retreat to call their views 'scientific' when they are actually more a religious view. All we must do is repeat the word 'science' enough... a different kind of mantra I suppose. [snip] How was this date determined? That's easily ascertained, but I think you'd reject it anyway and whatever, just as you've been doing, and also without offering any basis for your own presuppositions in the doing. As with this, for instance: Question: When someone wants to date an object, why must they tell the selected lab a date range you expect the answer to fall within? Answer: Because the lab crafts its tests and their results to the expected age of the sample. If we don't do that, we won't get repeat business. The primary presupposition(s) of the tests are incorrect. For example, one primary presupposition of Carbon-14 dating is that the ratio of c-12 to c-14 has remained unchange for millenia. There is no way to actually prove this presupposition. Yet c-14 dating is used to 'prove' the age of materials far beyond its ability to do so. Trying to date anything older than 5-10,000 years with c-14 is completely unreliable. The tests have only been calibrated with artifacts dated by recorded history, prior to that we must rely on extrapolation which depends on the truth of our presuppositions. Question: Why do none of the dating methods used to date rock agree within 1 to 2 orders of magnitude (if they can be applied at all to your specific sample)? If I dated you, and told you that by three methods of measurement you are 7.5, 75 or 750 years old, how much credibility would you give my 'scientific' methods? My first question about your 'results' would be why not 7.5 days, or 7500 centuries? Answer: Because there are no reliable methods to date rock that cooberate one another. For example, one test gauges the age by determining the decay of radioactive isotopes. However, if your sample has no isotopes, then this test cannot be used to cooberate any other test. The primary presupposition of the test is that the sample did not contain any decayed isotope when it formed. Unprovable assertion. The age of your sample could be anything from 0 to millenia unless you know for certain the original ratio. Are these presuppositions presented to the public? Not a chance. Evolution is a fact, don't you know. What happened to your pig's tooth skull and the Piltdown scam? You kind of evaded the question, didn't you? What was the question I supposedly 'evaded'? Was it: Are you saying that people like the Leakeys and their findings at Olduvai and elsewhere are frauds like Piltdown? I can't answer for the motivations of other people. Is it possible for me to become an acceptably educated expert like the Leakeys without adopting the current evolutionary dogma? If one argues against it, one is immediately branded as 'religious' at best, or at worst 'an unstudied idiot'. If I try to truthfully answer the questions, I fail the tests. Doesn't it bother you that a relatively few (but growing number) in the scientific establishment will address the intellectual dishonesty of this (evolutionary hypothesis) question? What about avoiding the issue of interdisciplinary circular reasoning? Any comments on that? This: As far as human development is concerned, we're talking of at least six million years, not a few hundred. Again, how did you arrive at this dating? If we select to breed a hairless dog, can we take only that stock and select for a long hair? No, we must actually re-introduce other genes to allow us to reselect on the information that was eliminated by our previous breeding. Probably not so - I
Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests
Dear Hal, You might want to consider planting male hybrid poplar trees. They are usuallly planted rather densly for the pulp industry, they are rather low maintainence and have a harvest cycle of about 15 years as they grow upwards to 10 feet a year, though 7 feet is more probable. Contact your neighborhood pulp or paper mill and they should have some information that you need as to planting spacing and where to get them, you might even find out that they would be willing to lease your land and do everything that needs to be done including the harvest, which will then give your heirs the distant income that you desire. If you do not have any luck with your locals, try American pulp and paper companies as they are planting thousands of acres down here all of the time. Try some search engines to find out about this. Charlie Leveque Global Green 21 Ltd. www.gg21ltd.com --- Hal Galerneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, no I wasn't looking for volunteers but only information on suitable tree varieties that would provide income for my children in 20 or 30 years. In the states we have people working as County Agents in the various counties where information can be obtained for agriculture type questions. I haven't been able to find that type person or office in Canada as yet to help me with that information. Any information on a Canadan government office where I could obtain that information would be appreciated. Hal Galerneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hal. I'm curious, are you looking for volunteers to help plant those trees? Is this an attempt to reforest a clear-cut? In a message dated 3/18/2005 12:32:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Hal Hewett I read with interest your post to Guag Meister on Biofuel that you are conected with Canadian forestry. My wife and I purchased 80 acres at Ft. Frances, Ontario and I have been unsucessful to locate someone to tell me what kind of trees to plant,where I can purchase them in Canada, and who I might find to plant them for me. We'll go north in the summer but at 75 I might not be able to plant them myself. Thank you for any information you might be able to give me to contact the proper agency. Hal Galerneau Hal Hewett wrote: Dear Guag: Seems a good approach would be to effect a gradual transition. I gather you're in Thailand and no nothing of that region, but I do work in forestry in Canada and am semi reliant on biofuels. There is no such thing as a useless tree--- promote the harvesting of less desired species and restock as you go. Have Fun, HRMH --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Try This At Home (1)
#812 -- Try This at Home, Part 1, March 03, 2005 Try This At Home By Jane Anne Morris* The Ambassador It was Colombian Independence Day, so I suppose I should have expected to bump into the U.S. ambassador in the mummy room of the National Museum in Bogota. What better way for the ambassador to demonstrate her deep concern for the people of Colombia and bone up on Colombian history? Like the fact that the National Museum building was originally designed to be the perfect prison -- an application of the principles of Utilitarian Jeremy Bentham's 1787 Panopticon. From a single vantage point, one unseen overseer could monitor all activities of all prisoners, 24/7. Significantly, Bentham noted that the plan would work just as well for factories, schools, poorhouses, and hospitals. From 1905 until after World War II, El Panoptico was Colombia's most fearsome prison. The central surveillance point was a round guard tower (now an airy rotunda sponsored by the Siemens Corporation) with lines of sight radiating out toward eyelid-shaped windows on three floors of tiny prison cells. The Panopticon -- like the junior high school intercom left on when the teacher is out, like the invisible cookie behind your computer screen -- is about hierarchy and control. The system requires fewer overseers with whips, because inmates do the heavy mental lifting. Shrouded in a wrap-around one-way mirror, the prisoner (student, teacher, consumer, citizen) is shaped more by the possibility of sanction than by its actual presence. Physical force stands down and waits on-call for special occasions, while self-censorship takes over daily operations. Because it derives its power from the inmates' internalization of the work of the watcher, the Panopticon succeeds whether or not there's anyone in the guard tower. In Colombia, almost-daily massacres and assassinations are necessary to maintain corporate power, but in the United States the Panopticon is functioning quite well -- it is most often the little man in one's own head that makes people into enthusiastic foot soldiers in the war against themselves. We live in a corporate-controlled Democracy Theme Park. Popular rides include the Regulatory Agency Roller Coaster and the Voluntary Code of Conduct Mule Train. The Reform Gallery features Welfare Reform and Campaign Finance Reform. In the Constitutional Rights Hall of Fame, people can take part in regular reenactments of famous battles. The democracy theme park even has its own museum, where other corporate power grabs are reinterpreted as peoples' victories. Ambassador Patterson has a role to play in the U.S. democracy theme park. So on Independence Day, the ambassador goes not to inspect helicopters used in the War on Drugs, but through downtown Bogota with its Plan Colombia = guerra graffiti to the national museum to check out the props for the War on Democracy. When not mummy-gazing, Anne Patterson, the U.S. ambassador, is the on-site point person for stage-managing the Colombia campaign, a critical testing ground for global corporatization. Her job is to transform a corporate resource- grab of mind-boggling proportions and unsurpassed brutality into a fairy tale with a War on Drugs theme song. There will be lots of heroic action against giant mutant coca plants and cartoonlike bad guy drug lords. Patterson has lots to do. She has to deny that U.S. aid supports right-wing paramilitary death squads. She has to deny that U.S.-sponsored coca fumigations are killing subsistence crops, domestic animals, and people. She has to deny a U.S. role in the provision of a Colombian army escort for a U.S. corporation's illegal drilling on indigenous lands. She has to deny U.S. complicity in the methodical assassination of Colombian labor leaders by U.S. soft drink corporation thugs. She also has to advertise and promote numerous U.S.-backed social, health, and educational programs whose primary existence is on billboards. And she has to read and sometimes respond to letters, faxes, and e-mails from pesky activists in the United States. The Activist Patterson is no busier than Sally, from Anytown, U.S.A. Sally -- she's one of us -- who keeps a diary of her activism. Here is the last week's worth: On Monday, she stuffs envelopes for Save the Dolphins campaign, and goes to a neighborhood meeting to discuss organic, sustainable food. On Tuesday, she does research for her regulatory agency testimony to fight a local corporation's pollution permit; she leaflets at a demonstration to support boycotting a brand of gasoline. By Wednesday it's time to work on Voluntary Code of Conduct provisions for corporations, then have a meeting to decide which socially responsible investments to recommend. (Here there's a note that the meeting broke up after an argument between two factions. One favored the corporation that hires people of color and women to build nuclear
Re: [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests
That's not forestry, and not multiple use either, it's an industrialised monocrop. Here's the original post: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050307/006677.html [Biofuel] Multiple Uses of Forests Best wishes Keith Dear Hal, You might want to consider planting male hybrid poplar trees. They are usuallly planted rather densly for the pulp industry, they are rather low maintainence and have a harvest cycle of about 15 years as they grow upwards to 10 feet a year, though 7 feet is more probable. Contact your neighborhood pulp or paper mill and they should have some information that you need as to planting spacing and where to get them, you might even find out that they would be willing to lease your land and do everything that needs to be done including the harvest, which will then give your heirs the distant income that you desire. If you do not have any luck with your locals, try American pulp and paper companies as they are planting thousands of acres down here all of the time. Try some search engines to find out about this. Charlie Leveque Global Green 21 Ltd. www.gg21ltd.com --- Hal Galerneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, no I wasn't looking for volunteers but only information on suitable tree varieties that would provide income for my children in 20 or 30 years. In the states we have people working as County Agents in the various counties where information can be obtained for agriculture type questions. I haven't been able to find that type person or office in Canada as yet to help me with that information. Any information on a Canadan government office where I could obtain that information would be appreciated. Hal Galerneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hal. I'm curious, are you looking for volunteers to help plant those trees? Is this an attempt to reforest a clear-cut? In a message dated 3/18/2005 12:32:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Hal Hewett I read with interest your post to Guag Meister on Biofuel that you are conected with Canadian forestry. My wife and I purchased 80 acres at Ft. Frances, Ontario and I have been unsucessful to locate someone to tell me what kind of trees to plant,where I can purchase them in Canada, and who I might find to plant them for me. We'll go north in the summer but at 75 I might not be able to plant them myself. Thank you for any information you might be able to give me to contact the proper agency. Hal Galerneau Hal Hewett wrote: Dear Guag: Seems a good approach would be to effect a gradual transition. I gather you're in Thailand and no nothing of that region, but I do work in forestry in Canada and am semi reliant on biofuels. There is no such thing as a useless tree--- promote the harvesting of less desired species and restock as you go. Have Fun, HRMH --- Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Evolution - was Re: The Lutec over unity device
Hello again: Keith Addison wrote: You said: Evolution is not science, it's a worldview that fits a set of religious beliefs and as such is really only a religious precursor. Certainly not science. I think you're the one who's religious about it. You say a lot of things that you expect us to accept sight-unseen, but there some rather visible holes in it. I've seen quite a few purportedly scientific articles trying to debunk evolution, they raise a chickle - when you approach them as an editor would, asking questions, you'd soon have to spike them as unpublishable. Quite a lot of what you say seems rather similar. Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't, I quoted you. One of the most interesting things about challenging dogma is trying to deal with the emotional reaction that follows. Yes indeed. But I'm not emotionally wed to evolutionary theory, nor to anything else, much, my emotional life lies elsewhere, and I don't have an emotional reaction to people challenging evolution. It's fairly clear however that you're emotionally wed to anti-evolutionary dogma though. Most of the rhetoric Rhetoric? dealing with evolution expects the great 'unwashed' masses to accept it's tenants Its tenets. (Yes, I am an editor, and a science editor to boot, and when I say it gets spiked I'm talking from experience, and I know why.) sight unseen. They make their appeals to the seasoned and baptised practitioners of science. By the way, attack of the person and guilt by association are two arguing techniques that attempt to disarm the opponent without dealing with the arguments. Your use of words like rhetoric, baptised, dogma, and many others is an attempt to slant the discussion your way. There's an article about how to do that at the www.infinite-energy.com site that D. Mindock referred to earlier in this thread, and other such articles at various sceptic sites and true believer sites both. Your upping the ante to an accusation of attack of the person, where there wasn't one, and dubbing an apt comparison as guilt by association is more of the same. So is your rather selective snipping and the way you keep evading questions, some of them several times now. However, once it descends to that level of accusation it's seldom worth continuing, it won't yield any further substance. So after this I'll probably leave you to it. As for alleged guilt by association, I can see all the usual telltales and giveaways, I could prove it if I wanted to but there's little point. It would take time and effort, and then you'd just ignore that too and change your ground to a different line of defence. You're guilty, if you like, of all the things you accuse your opponents of doing, including circular reasoning. Your assertions over dating techniques wouldn't stand up to a real scrutiny, neither would any of the others. Changing your ground? Two statements from you, the second after the first was challenged, one of several such examples: As we look for solutions to sustainable energy production and use, incorrect presuppositions may very well prevent us from finding the answer. And: My point is that there is a huge difference between the science of fuel development, and guesses about origins. In fact that's a different point altogether. Case rests. As with your reinternalising an external outcome to prove another point, ignoring the distinction, and confirming your modernist view of Progress in the doing. As with your response to the Leakey question, not a response at all, just an evasion. And so on. A few snippets... What we're looking at is interpretation of objects through the lens of personal beliefs. But you're not? Of course I do; so does everyone... even those that retreat to call their views 'scientific' when they are actually more a religious view. And yours? Look at this: What was the question I supposedly 'evaded'? Was it: Are you saying that people like the Leakeys and their findings at Olduvai and elsewhere are frauds like Piltdown? I can't answer for the motivations of other people. Is it possible for me to become an acceptably educated expert like the Leakeys without adopting the current evolutionary dogma? If one argues against it, one is immediately branded as 'religious' at best, or at worst 'an unstudied idiot'. If I try to truthfully answer the questions, I fail the tests. You said this previously: Look, an unobserved series of historical events happened. No transitional species have ever been found (notwithstanding several publications' attempts to present them from time to time) that has stood up to scrutiny. Remember whole hominid skulls fashioned from one pig's tooth? No? That's because it isn't of general interest to the evolutionary *scientists*, and thus we still find Piltdown stories being published in children's 'science' textbooks. Does that apply to the Leakeys' findings or not? But you're not
[Biofuel] Fwd: The Overstory #153--Online species references
by Permanent Agriculture Resources :: The Overstory Book, 2nd Edition, a formatted, indexed and illustrated compilation of The Overstory ejournal editions 1 - 138 is in stock. Your purchase helps support publication of The Overstory: http://www.agroforestry.net/overstory/ovbook.html ADDRESS CHANGES: Please send any changes in your e-mail address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: THE OVERSTORY #153--Online species references for agroforestry by Permanent Agriculture Resources Contents: : ONLINE SPECIES REFERENCES : RELATED EDITIONS OF THE OVERSTORY : PUBLISHER NOTES : SUBSCRIPTIONS ONLINE SPECIES REFERENCES Although some of the best species references for agroforestry and forestry are still only found in book form, several very useful species databases have appeared online during the past few years. This is a list of some of the online species resources that are most useful. Feel free to send additional web site recommendations to us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Listings are arranged in no particular order. Agroforestree (AFT) database by the World Agroforestry Centre (formerly the International Centre for Research in Agroforestry (ICRAF)) is a tree species reference and selection guide for agroforestry trees covering more than 500 species http://www.worldagroforestry.org/Sites/TreeDBS/AFT/AFT.htm FACT Sheets (formerly NFT Highlights) by Winrock International, Morrilton, Arkansas, give concise summaries about many multipurpose tree and shrub species (many available in Spanish, French, Indonesian, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Khmer) http://www.winrock.org/forestry/factpub/factsh.htm Forage Tree Legumes in Tropical Agriculture (Editors: R. Gutteridge and M. Shelton, 1994 [republished 1998]), published by The Tropical Grassland Society of Australia, St Lucia, Queensland, Australia (previously published by CAB International, Wallingford, UK) covers a number of multipurpose tree legumes that can serve as ruminant forage in silvopastoral agroforestry systems http://www.fao.org/ag/AGP/AGPC/doc/Publicat/Gutt-shel/x5556e00.htm The Forestry Compendium (2005 Edition) [commercial subscription site] by CAB International (CABI) includes detailed information (text, maps and pictures) for over 1,200 tree and shrub species of importance to forestry and agroforestry and basic information for over 20,000 additional species. Tropical, subtropical, temperate and boreal species are included http://www.cabicompendium.org The USDA PLANTS Database provides standardized information about the vascular plants, mosses, liverworts, hornworts, and lichens of the US and its territories http://plants.usda.gov/. The site also provides excellent links pages such as to invasive plants http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/link_categories.cgi?category=linkinv, links to Floras, Databases, and Nomenclature http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/link_categories.cgi?category=linknames , and general plant links http://plants.usda.gov/links.html The Native Plant Network is devoted to the sharing of information on how to propagate native plants of North America (Canada, Mexico, and US) and has propagation protocols for US, Hawaii, Canada, Mexico, US Virgin Islands, Hawaii, and other Pacific Islands http://www.nativeplantnetwork.org/ Seed Leaflets published by Danida Forest Seed Centre are aimed at seed technicians, extension workers and farmers, and contain information on practical seed handling for about 90 tropical tree species http://www.dfsc.dk/seedleaflets.htm Protabase published by Plant Resources of Tropical Africa (PROTA) provides information primarily on species of tropical Africa http://database.prota.org/publishedspeciesEn.htm Grass Genera of the World: Descriptions, Illustrations, Identification, and Information Retrieval; including Synonyms, Morphology, Anatomy, Physiology, Phytochemistry, Cytology, Classification, Pathogens, World and Local Distribution, and References (includes of course bamboo species) http://delta-intkey.com/grass/index.htm The Silvics of Native and Exotic Trees of Puerto Rico and the Caribbean Islands (Spanish version) published by the USDA Forest Service http://www.fs.fed.us/global/iitf/libpdf.html The International Plant Names Index (IPNI) is a database of the names and associated basic bibliographical details of all seed plants http://www.ipni.org/index.html Species Database published by Plants For A Future is an extensive, searchable database of useful species http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/D_search.html Invasive Species Related Links by the US Geological Survey http://www.werc.usgs.gov/invasivespecies/invasive-links.html Survey of Economic Plants for Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (SEPASAL) is a database and enquiry service about useful wild and semi-domesticated plants of tropical and subtropical drylands, developed and maintained at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/ceb/sepasal/ The Traditional Tree Initiative-Species profiles for Pacific Island Agroforestry
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Hi. I was just wondering where the over-unity power is coming from. Also, has anyone referenced Dr. Bruce DePalma or the Space Power Generator, or the work of Dr. Searl and his devices? Happy to see great interest in a better and smarter world. Thanks, Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] soap, glycerine by-product and how my farm is
Rob wrote: Would you like plans for a VERY cheap dehumidifier (probably less than $20) that can take out over a gallon of water a day (depending on humidity) ?? I would very much like the plans. How much energy does it use? We do have an electric humidifyer, but it sucks powers like an AC unit. Necessary to use, at times, but I hate plugging the darn thing in. Incidently we are having an underground (Earth Sheltered) house built, and below 4' the tempreture is around 50 oF (coldest)in Winter and 64 oF (warmest) in summer, so maybe even a Storm Cellar type structure built into the ground may work. Must be nice. With our heavy clay, heavy rains and flat land that is slightly lower than all our neighbors, this is not a good idea. Rob Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] soap, glycerine by-product and how my farm is
Rob I have a very damp basement and would be interested in your plans for the dehumidifier. Steve Hess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Garth Travis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] soap, glycerine by-product and how my farm is Greetings Rob, Rob wrote: Would you like plans for a VERY cheap dehumidifier (probably less than $20) that can take out over a gallon of water a day (depending on humidity) ?? I would very much like the plans. How much energy does it use? We do have an electric humidifyer, but it sucks powers like an AC unit. Necessary to use, at times, but I hate plugging the darn thing in. Incidently we are having an underground (Earth Sheltered) house built, and below 4' the tempreture is around 50 oF (coldest)in Winter and 64 oF (warmest) in summer, so maybe even a Storm Cellar type structure built into the ground may work. Must be nice. With our heavy clay, heavy rains and flat land that is slightly lower than all our neighbors, this is not a good idea. Rob Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] White stuff
diesel and the wash water. Am I needing more or less lie ro methanol? Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Hi Chuck, That's a question we're all asking. I wish the phrase over-unity was never coined because it negates the more important (and only reasonable) question being asked about the device. Where is the energy coming from? Mike Chuck Elsholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I was just wondering where the over-unity power is coming from. Also, has anyone referenced Dr. Bruce DePalma or the Space Power Generator, or the work of Dr. Searl and his devices? Happy to see great interest in a better and smarter world. Thanks, Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method
Hi All, As near as I can tell the first stage is going to produce water. It is an acid esterifacation, right? You need to somehow get rid of that water let alone any that may have been in the starting reactants. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Kenneth Kron (CEO) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/10/05 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method Gregg, Are you sure there was no water in the WO before beginning? Sounds like you have a ton of soap if you are not getting *any* separation. At a minimum the alcohol layer should separate back out. Remember when you mix the methanol with the oil you are basically creating an emulsion. When you stop mixing the only thing that's going to hold them together is soap. kk Gregg Davidson wrote: Hello Everyone, I started on a new batch of biodiesel this past Friday. I'm using Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method had a lot of success last year with it. Now it seems that I've hit the proverbial brick wall. I've cafefully calculated the volume, 25 litres of WVO, warmed the WVO to 35* C, added 2 litres (8%) of methanol, mixed for 15 minutes rather than 5, then added 25 mls of 98% sulfuric acid. Maintaining 35* C mixing for 1 hour, then shut off the heat mixed for another hour. Afterward s, the WVO sat overnight. Saturday morning I started Stage 2. I had mixed the m ethoxide Friday night let it settle. I used 3 litres of methanol 87.8 grams of NaOH. I used the full 3.5 grams of NaOH that Aleks mentioned due to oil pur ity questions. Prior to heating, I added 1.5 litres of the methoxide to the WVO started the stirrer. I allowed the mixture to stir for 15 minutes to ensure a complete mixing. Afterwards, I heated the WVO to 55* C. The burner I was usin g is a bit tricky to r egulate the heat varied from 55* to 61* C. The process went on for 2.75 hours, all seemed well. I po ured some of what I thought was biodiesel into a 2 litre beaker so I could moni tor the settling. No noticable settling had occurred after 24 hours, generall y you start to see settling within a few minutes. I backtracked thought that perhaps it just needed some extra methoxide, so I made up some more using the v olumes Aleks says to use, 750 mls methanol (3%) 24 grams of NaOH (.75 grams + 25% as I thought my NaOH had carbonated), reheated the WVO to 55* C, added th e new methoxide solution, maintaining heat stirring for 1hour. Afterwards, I found that I had the same problem, no separation of glycerine esters. I was not able to get a pH reading on the oil as I do not have a meter at my di sposal. I may have just undershot everything. I'm not sure if there is a point that WVO can reach that this method would deal with to render a quality biodies el. I know that the base reaction needs a pH of 8 to 9, but what pH does the ac id reaction need to crack the FFA's. As always, any help, suggestions, or critisms are welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [3]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [4]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [5]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [7]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 3. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 4. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 5. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 6. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] White stuff
the diesel and the wash water. Am I needing more or less lie ro methanol? Brent What sort of oil did you use? Try this before washing it: Quality testing http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality Probably it's back to the drawing board - see: Test batches http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html#test Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method
As near as I can tell the first stage is going to produce water. It is an acid esterifacation, right? You need to somehow get rid of that water let alone any that may have been in the starting reactants. So some people say, but in fact the acid-base process does take that into account and it's not necessary to get rid of any water after the first stage, nor at any other stage during the process. Dewatering the oil first is another matter. Best wishes Keith Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Kenneth Kron (CEO) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/10/05 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method Gregg, Are you sure there was no water in the WO before beginning? Sounds like you have a ton of soap if you are not getting *any* separation. At a minimum the alcohol layer should separate back out. Remember when you mix the methanol with the oil you are basically creating an emulsion. When you stop mixing the only thing that's going to hold them together is soap. kk Gregg Davidson wrote: Hello Everyone, I started on a new batch of biodiesel this past Friday. I'm using Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method had a lot of success last year with it. Now it seems that I've hit the proverbial brick wall. I've cafefully calculated the volume, 25 litres of WVO, warmed the WVO to 35* C, added 2 litres (8%) of methanol, mixed for 15 minutes rather than 5, then added 25 mls of 98% sulfuric acid. Maintaining 35* C mixing for 1 hour, then shut off the heat mixed for another hour. Afterward s, the WVO sat overnight. Saturday morning I started Stage 2. I had mixed the m ethoxide Friday night let it settle. I used 3 litres of methanol 87.8 grams of NaOH. I used the full 3.5 grams of NaOH that Aleks mentioned due to oil pur ity questions. Prior to heating, I added 1.5 litres of the methoxide to the WVO started the stirrer. I allowed the mixture to stir for 15 minutes to ensure a complete mixing. Afterwards, I heated the WVO to 55* C. The burner I was usin g is a bit tricky to r egulate the heat varied from 55* to 61* C. The process went on for 2.75 hours, all seemed well. I po ured some of what I thought was biodiesel into a 2 litre beaker so I could moni tor the settling. No noticable settling had occurred after 24 hours, generall y you start to see settling within a few minutes. I backtracked thought that perhaps it just needed some extra methoxide, so I made up some more using the v olumes Aleks says to use, 750 mls methanol (3%) 24 grams of NaOH (.75 grams + 25% as I thought my NaOH had carbonated), reheated the WVO to 55* C, added th e new methoxide solution, maintaining heat stirring for 1hour. Afterwards, I found that I had the same problem, no separation of glycerine esters. I was not able to get a pH reading on the oil as I do not have a meter at my di sposal. I may have just undershot everything. I'm not sure if there is a point that WVO can reach that this method would deal with to render a quality biodies el. I know that the base reaction needs a pH of 8 to 9, but what pH does the ac id reaction need to crack the FFA's. As always, any help, suggestions, or critisms are welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Speaking of glop
Hi All, After many successful batches made from vegetable oil ( both unused and heavily used) I decided it was time to try all beef lard. Perhaps I shouldn«t have used this method but I did anyway. I used Alex Kacs first stage (of two) method. After liquifying the lard, I added the required 1 ml of concentrated (98%) sulfuric acid at 35-37 degrees centigrade. While it was all stirring for the required time period, somewhere around the 20 minute mark it nearly all solidified. I checked the temperature. It was still within the required range. I ramped up the heat to about 55 degrees C. and it all liquified. Did I read something wrong or do something wrong? I wasn«t expecting solidification until I turned off the heat. I let it sit overnight, reheated to 55 C. the next day and performed the second stage base transesterification. It seemed to go well. I got good separation but upon washing I got the dreaded white layer (which I think is unreacted lard) between the BioD and the water later. Do I need to use more than 1 ml of sulfuric acid because I«m using all lard? Now Keith, I have been reading the archives but I seem to have missed something. Good for you - keep trying. However, the other resource you're referred to is the Journey to Forever Biofuel section: The two-stage base-base method avoids the need for titration and produces good results even with higher FFA levels. It's the method-of-choice for animal fats. See: Which method to use? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#which That's here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleks.html Two-stage biodiesel process Since you're using new lard rather than used, you might just as well have used the single-stage base method. But for methanol requirements see: How much methanol? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html For tallow and lard, use higher excesses. Either will do. Best wishes Keith Thanks in advance, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Liquid Coal
Hi All, Liquifying coal is not environmentally friendly in my opinion. It's processing uses large quantities of cancer causing solvents and it leaves a residue that is both difficult to degrade and loaded with cancer causing substances. You are still using a fossil fuel. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Luis Eduardo Puerto To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/5/05 1:54 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Liquid Coal Hello, I am interested in finding about Liquid Coal. For what I hear, it seems it is environmentally friendly and cheaper to produce given the high oil prices today.I am located in Montreal, and if anybody knows about someone wortking on this technology I would be totally interested. Thank you. By the way, this is an awesome mailinglist!!! Best regards, Luis. - Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, Amrica Latina y el resto del Mundo. Vista Yahoo! Noticias. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices
Past and present land use practices in Hawaii are quite foremost on my mind because I live here and land use determines, more than anything else, the way these islands look and feel. So, yes, it's a mess!!! 100% native environment is gone, because even that which looks untouched by man is not, there are invaders, plants and animals, throughout these islands with hideous consequences. (rats, pigs, mongooses, cats, mosquitos, avian flu, invasive grasses, gingers etc.) Put remains of a rainbow into the search engine and see where it takes you.- a beautiful place, still. Thousands of acres on the Hamakua coast (old sugarcane land) were planted in Eucalyptus to turn into woodproducts, the trees will get shipped out and we're going to be stuck with thousands of acres of stumps ) by the way, the sugarcane industry went bellyup on the Big Island which should cause a sigh of grief to proponents of fuel alcohol. But this is where the Eucalyptus is growing now. As far as I know, there is no master plan for the stumpy mess So..I'm thinking of the oil palms. Nor will the oil palm even make the big island fuel independent. Hawaii is going to be up the creek like the rest of us, when the faucet drips its last drip.(Unless) Hakan Falk wrote: Todd, When I was there, I got the impression that it is a lot of sugar cane, in some islands close to mono culture already. Maybe palm oil for biodiesel could be a diversification, compared to sugar cane for Ethanol. LOL My impression is that the Islands of Hawaiians could rapidly be quite fossil fuel independent. Hakan At 11:45 PM 7/7/2005, you wrote: Stephan, I think you have to honestly ask what agriculture and/or native flora and fauna on the islands would be displaced by instituting palm mono-culture for liquid fuel production. A safe bet is that many Hawaiians feel that their limitted acreage might be better served in ways other than usurping it for fuel production. This doesn't mean that farming for fuel has to be dropped as part of a solution. But the degree/severity of that option is possibly problematic due oddly enough to the unique environment - not that all environments aren't unique. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gasoline Prices Hello Robert, and all Living in Hawaii, I wish gas was THAT cheap.. we are currently paying almostt $3 per gallon for #2 diesel, and that's rising by the minute. So...like the responsible guy I'm trying to be I wrote to all the newspapers about oil palms (which would do well here), about 630 gal of oil per acre per year.what an opportunity for biodiesel, thus making Hawaii at least partly independent from the Oil companies and the shipping companies. But you know what, nobody came to investigate further, no lawmaker wants to go on the internet to see for themselves, it seems. The only thing I am worried I'll accomplish is some lawmaker here trying to make homebiodiesel making ILLEGAL (Have to have insurance, environmental impact study, Hawaii with its ocean and reefs etc, can't have people messing around with dangerous chemicals here.) In Maui they are making BD but on the Big Island where they are wondering what to do with the land of the former sugar plantations and where they are complaining about the absence of an energy master plan for the islands... no interest. 1 acre of oil palms = powering 1 small diesel car forever Period..(I guess that's why you called it Journey To Forever) There are a bunch of BD makers here and SVO users, but they are all keeping a pretty low profile, and I'm beginning to see, why. Well I'm hoping for a more upbeat message for next time, and maybe some of the local guys could contact me to talk about where we are heading. Greetings, Stephan (808 959 3528) Hello everyone! This morning, gasoline prices hit $1.00 per liter for regular. I've never seen it higher than this. Premium fuel, which I have to run in my truck, is generally 20 cents more per liter, so I DIDN'T fill my tank this morning. . . Oh, for ethanol! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
Re: Dutch speaking biofuel group(?) was Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil
Bruno, You surprise me and I cannot see very much need for Flemish speaking group. The Dutch people is in the top ten in general multilingual speaking countries. I can see that the English (including US), German and French are more dependent of their native language, but the Dutch? Hakan At 06:35 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote: Hans, I to, live in belgium and could easier speak write dutch or flemish than english; but this here is somewhat an international list, with mostly english ( american ) ( speaking) people, who can not understand a word from what you were saying here. So, may I propose to make a seperate emailgroup for flemish/dutch speaking people from The netherlands(holland) and Belgium ( Flanders ) ; intrested in biodiesel WVO / SVO ? Maybe a Yahoo group? http://groups.yahoo.com/ If you go there a do a search for biodiesel there are already 83 groups about that ! Not one on the moment with dutch for conversation. only: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bio-diesel/ A dutch list-owner but english spoken, very scientific but not very active group. So lets start one ??? Bruno M. At 15:07 10/04/2005, Hans wrote: Jan, Mooi om te horen dat er zelfs olie tot -15 lopend blijft. Kunnen we elkaar niet verder in het nederlands mailen, ik kom uit Belgie en heb enorm interesse om mijn stookolie te vervangen door afgewerkte olie. Mijn mailadres is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groeten Hans - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil At the moment I use used frying oil, but the main problem is that this already starts to solidify at about 15 ¡C. I have had a can of Sunflower Oil standing outside during the winter and It staid liquid even at temperatures at -15 ¡C. I also hope to produce a BD that I can also use during winter time. With kind regards, Jan Lieuwe Bolding The Netherlands - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sunflower Oil On Apr 8, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Jan Lieuwe Bolding wrote: Has anyone experience with Straight Sunflower Oil to produce BioDiesel? I bought my oilseed ram press from Tanzania largely for sunflower and safflower (tho it does a fine job on flax and yellow mustard as well). They all make fine biodiesel. Did you have some specific concerns? Really almost any seed oil will make excellent fuel. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
I'm always interested that people use the *Theory* of Evolution as an example of Science. At best you could call it an hypothesis, since to be science a theory must be observable and repeatable. things like phyolgenetic relationships, as indicated via the similarity of the dna of the genome are certainly observable and repeatable As I've looked into this idea of evolution, what I've found is alot of conjecture and interdisciplinary circular reasoning. Stories that constantly change. Comets this year, asteriods last year, volcanoes the year before. If you are talking about the mass extinctions which have occured from time to time over a hundreds of millions of years, then different extinctions have been discussed in the context of different events. Nothing here contradicts the simple notion that the diversity of life we see is due to random mutations selected for by various forces. These fossils are x-millions of years old say the *biologists* because they're found in rock x-millions of years old. These rocks are x-millions of years old say the *archiologists* because these fossils are in them, and we know that these animals lived x-millions of years ago. Actually, there are a whole bunch of methods for dating. In addition to stragraphy, there are numerous radioactive decay series, with overlapping half-lives, archeomagnetic dating which utilizes the meandreings of the magnetic poles, obsidian hydration, fission track, amino acid racemization, and on and on. There is no circular reasoning here. the methods are essentially indipendently verifiabe, and a ages determined from first principles. Look, an unobserved series of historical events happened. No transitional species have ever been found (notwithstanding several publications' attempts to present them from time to time) that has stood up to scrutiny. what? just in terms of human evolution, australopithecenes evolutionarily precede homo genera. Within Homo, are a series of species such as erectus, habilis, and on and on. And if you look at the dna the relationships are overwellminingly obvious. There is a gradual change in the dna as you move across the spectrum of life. My dna is more like a chimpanzee's than the chimpanzee's is like a gorilla's. Put another way, the dna of a sea squirt is more like mine than it is to a salmonella bacteria. One must really try hard to not see the relationships among life. Remember whole hominid skulls fashioned from one pig's tooth? No? That's because it isn't of general interest to the evolutionary *scientists*, and thus we still find Piltdown stories being published in children's 'science' textbooks. so frauds have occured. they don't negate the theory. Evolution is not science, it's a worldview that fits a set of religious beliefs and as such is really only a religious precursor. Certainly not science. criminently, there is nothing religious about recognizing that the easiest way to explain biological diversity is random mutations and selective pressure to create what we have in the world around us. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] City ordinances
I am just starting to make a biodiesel duel process unit in my garage. I live in the city dose anyone know what city ordinances might be a problem mixing this stuff? just wondering. thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] biocarburants en France
Les candidats pour la construction de nouvelles units de production de biocarburants seront fixs en mai 18/03/2005 Actu-Environnement C.S. http://www.actu-environnement.com/ae/news/1003.php4 Le plan biocarburants, annonc en septembre dernier par le Premier ministre, vise tripler la production d'ici 2007 ce qui reprsente des agrments nouveaux de 800 000 tonnes selon la rpartition suivante : - 320 000 tonnes pour l'alcool d'origine agricole (biothanol) et - 480 000 tonnes pour les esters mthyliques d'huiles vgtales (biodiesel) et ncessite la construction de nouvelles units de production. Trois avis d'appel candidatures (2005-2006-2007) avaient t publis en fvrier 2005 au Journal Officiel des Communauts europennes. Les demandes reues portent sur un volume de biocarburants de 2,2 millions de tonnes, indique le ministre de l'Agriculture qui prcise qu'il fera connatre sa dcision concernant les autorisations de construction d'usines en mai. Aprs avis de la Commission franaise d'examen des demandes d'agrments, chaque entreprise candidate se verra notifier la suite donne sa demande en mai prochain de manire ce que les premires units soient oprationnelles en 2007. L'Etat devrait lancer une seconde tape pour la priode 2008 2010 afin de se conformer l'objectif communautaire de 5,75% de biocarburants dans les carburants. Les nouveaux volumes de biocarburants en 2005, 2006 et 2007 bnficieront d'une exonration partielle de la taxe intrieure de consommation sur les produits ptroliers (TIPP), comprise entre 33 et 38 /hl selon le type de biocarburant. L'exonration est valable pour une dure de six ans. Les biocarburants (thanol, diester), seules nergies renouvelables sous forme liquides apparaissent de nombreux atouts dans le cadre d'une politique et la lutte contre le rchauffement climatique. Issus de matires vgtales (betterave, bl, mais, colza, tournesol, pomme de terre), ils permettent de rduire les missions de gaz effet de serre et les consommations d'nergies fossiles de 70 80 % lorsqu'ils remplacent de l'essence ou du gazole. Utilisables en direct ou en mlange, ils ne ncessitent aucune transformation de moteur (contrairement d'autres nergies renouvelables). Notons toutefois, que certains expriment leurs doutes, voire leurs rticences cette source d'nergie, estimant que le bnfice reste douteux au regard de l'analyse complte de leur cycle de vie. Deux familles de biocarburants sont dveloppes en France : - Le bio diesel (Esters Mthyliques d'Huile Vgtale (EMVH) issu du colza et du tournesol. Le bio diesel est incorpor au gazole et au fioul domestique. - Le bio thanol (alcool thylique d'origine agricole) issu de la fermentation de betteraves ou de crales est incorpor aux essences soit en l'tat, soit sous forme d'Ethyl-Tertio-Butyl-Ether (ETBE). Selon les chiffres du ministre de l'agriculture, en 2003, les biocarburants ont mobilis 320 000 ha de terres relevant pour l'essentiel de la jachre alimentaire. Sur ce total, 300 000 ha taient cultivs en olagineux, 10 000 ha en bl et 10 000 ha en betteraves. La production de biocarburant s'est leve en 2003 410 000 tonnes dont environ 80 % de bio diesel. En 2004, cette production a t de l'ordre de 430 000 tonnes. Le chiffre d'affaires ralis par les producteurs dans la filire bio diesel est de l'ordre de 190 millions d'euros et dans la filire bio-thanol de 16 millions d'euros. Quelques 400 coopratives participent la collecte des matires premires agricoles destines la production de biocarburants. Les cultures de colza, bl et betteraves sont situes dans les rgions Centre, Champagne-Ardennes, Picardie, Bourgogne, Poitou-Charentes, Lorraine et Ile de France. La culture de tournesol est quant elle plus localise en Poitou-Charentes, Midi-Pyrnes, Pays de la Loire et Centre, le mas dans la rgion Midi-Pyrnes et Languedoc-Roussillon. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Bill, The material support from US (lend lease), was absolutely pivotal to defeat Germany and thereby also the US industrial workers. This is something that I acknowledge and also said earlier in the discussion. The fighter air war, was won by both the British technology and pilots. The terror bombing strategy and technology was invented and developed by the Germans and dependent again more on the industrial workers than the pilots skills and US was pivotal. Europe paid its dues for the pivotal US industrial support, both monetary and by favor US corporate activities in Europe. We can take this to an other level and look at the reasons, plus the power groups in WWII, but it would be too long for me at the moment. Hakan At 01:08 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: The US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome. There's no question that the Soviets did the lion's share of fighting and defeating the German Army. However, leaving aside lend-lease shipments, there's one area in which the involvement of the Western Allies (the US and UK) was pivotal to the defeat of Germany, and that was the Air war, and the bombing campaigns. Richard Overy, in his book How the Allies Won (if I'm recalling the title correctly) makes that case rather well. Bill On Apr 9, 2005 8:19 PM, bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, Good to hear from you. I think we're at cross purposes here. My sole concern re US losses in WW2 was to underline one point: total American dead in the Pacific campaign under General MacArthur as supreme commander were many times fewer than in the European theatre under Eisenhower. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Rick Littrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Dear Bob, With respect to the US contribution to the European theater consider that at Stalingrad the German losses were 300,000 and the Russian 400,000 and Stalingrad was a battle that the Russians won! At Kursk the Germans lost 100,000 killed and wounded and the Russians 250,000 killed and 600,000 wounded. It was the largest armored battle prior to the 1967 Arab - Israeli war. The US involvement in the fighting in Europe was not pivotal to the outcome. Rick ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method
Hi Kenneth, Earlier today I wondered if the may have been water in the WO I used it turns out that there was. So DUH on me. Normally, I heat the oil up to remove any water, but I suppose I forgot. I'm not excusing myself, just owning up to my shortcomings. I collected a sample of the batch took it to the lab where I work. Using a hotplate, I got the temp up to about 250* F, maintained that for about 4 hours. I plan on trying the base stage again later in the week when I have time. If I am sucessful, then I know that I'll have to get the rest of the 25 litre batch the same treatment. Thanks for you advise guidence on this. Respectfully, Gregg Davidson Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, As near as I can tell the first stage is going to produce water. It is an acid esterifacation, right? You need to somehow get rid of that water let alone any that may have been in the starting reactants. So some people say, but in fact the acid-base process does take that into account and it's not necessary to get rid of any water after the first stage, nor at any other stage during the process. Dewatering the oil first is another matter. Best wishes Keith Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Kenneth Kron (CEO) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/10/05 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method Gregg, Are you sure there was no water in the WO before beginning? Sounds like you have a ton of soap if you are not getting *any* separation. At a minimum the alcohol layer should separate back out. Remember when you mix the methanol with the oil you are basically creating an emulsion. When you stop mixing the only thing that's going to hold them together is soap. kk Gregg Davidson wrote: Hello Everyone, I started on a new batch of biodiesel this past Friday. I'm using Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method had a lot of success last year with it. Now it seems that I've hit the proverbial brick wall. I've cafefully calculated the volume, 25 litres of WVO, warmed the WVO to 35* C, added 2 litres (8%) of methanol, mixed for 15 minutes rather than 5, then added 25 mls of 98% sulfuric acid. Maintaining 35* C mixing for 1 hour, then shut off the heat mixed for another hour. Afterward s, the WVO sat overnight. Saturday morning I started Stage 2. I had mixed the m ethoxide Friday night let it settle. I used 3 litres of methanol 87.8 grams of NaOH. I used the full 3.5 grams of NaOH that Aleks mentioned due to oil pur ity questions. Prior to heating, I added 1.5 litres of the methoxide to the WVO started the stirrer. I allowed the mixture to stir for 15 minutes to ensure a complete mixing. Afterwards, I heated the WVO to 55* C. The burner I was usin g is a bit tricky to r egulate the heat varied from 55* to 61* C. The process went on for 2.75 hours, all seemed well. I po ured some of what I thought was biodiesel into a 2 litre beaker so I could moni tor the settling. No noticable settling had occurred after 24 hours, generall y you start to see settling within a few minutes. I backtracked thought that perhaps it just needed some extra methoxide, so I made up some more using the v olumes Aleks says to use, 750 mls methanol (3%) 24 grams of NaOH (.75 grams + 25% as I thought my NaOH had carbonated), reheated the WVO to 55* C, added th e new methoxide solution, maintaining heat stirring for 1hour. Afterwards, I found that I had the same problem, no separation of glycerine esters. I was not able to get a pH reading on the oil as I do not have a meter at my di sposal. I may have just undershot everything. I'm not sure if there is a point that WVO can reach that this method would deal with to render a quality biodies el. I know that the base reaction needs a pH of 8 to 9, but what pH does the ac id reaction need to crack the FFA's. As always, any help, suggestions, or critisms are welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
