Bill,

The material support from US (lend lease), was absolutely
pivotal to defeat Germany and thereby also the US industrial
workers. This is something that I acknowledge and also said
earlier in the discussion. The fighter air war, was won by both
the British technology and pilots. The terror bombing strategy
and technology was invented and developed by the Germans
and dependent again more on the industrial workers than the
pilots skills and US was pivotal.

Europe paid its dues for the pivotal US industrial support,
both monetary and by favor US corporate activities in Europe.
We can take this to an other level and look at the reasons,
plus the power groups in WWII, but it would be too long
for me at the moment.

Hakan


At 01:08 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote:
> The US involvement in the fighting in Europe
> was not pivotal to the outcome.

There's no question that the Soviets did the lion's share of fighting
and defeating the German Army. However, leaving aside lend-lease
shipments, there's one area in which the involvement of the Western
Allies (the US and UK) was pivotal to the defeat of Germany, and that
was the Air war, and the bombing campaigns. Richard Overy, in his book
"How the Allies Won" (if I'm recalling the title correctly) makes that
case rather well.

Bill


On Apr 9, 2005 8:19 PM, bmolloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>             Good to hear from you. I think we're at cross purposes here. My
> sole concern re US losses in WW2 was to underline one point: total American
> dead in the Pacific campaign under General MacArthur as supreme commander
> were many times fewer than in the European theatre under Eisenhower.
> Regards,
> Bob.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Littrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
>
> > Dear Bob,
> >
> > With respect to the US contribution to the European theater consider
> > that at Stalingrad the German losses were 300,000 and the Russian
> > 400,000 and Stalingrad was a battle that the Russians won!  At Kursk the
> > Germans lost 100,000 killed and wounded and the Russians 250,000 killed
> > and 600,000 wounded.  It was the largest armored battle prior to the
> > 1967 Arab - Israeli war. The US involvement in the fighting in Europe
> > was not pivotal to the outcome.
> >
> > Rick


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