[Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Re: Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39

[Keith Addison]

Seems nobody told either of you NOT to post messages with such titles 
as Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39!!!

But in fact they did: at the top of the Digest it says: 'When 
replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than 
Re: Contents of Biofuel digest...'

Use the thread title or give it a new title.

Thankyou.

Keith Addison
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Biofuel list owner

 

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Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans mayor failed to use school buses for 4 days

[Greg and April]

Kirk,

Where is the photo mentioned?

Greg H.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kirk 
  McLoren 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 
  10:55
  Subject: [Biofuel] New Orleans mayor 
  failed to use school buses for 4 days
  
  
  
SNIP
See photo below of 
flooded New Orleans school buses, which had been left sitting in the 
city parking lot /unused/ before the hurricane hit, because the mayor 
was too stupid to use them to help his own residents evacuate the city. 
See also the excerpt below the photo, from the Louisiana State Disaster 
Plan, authorizing cities to use local school buses and other forms of 
public transportation to evacuate 
residents.*
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[Biofuel] BD Q's on WVO and Chemicals

[chuck mellin]

first off, many thanks to all those people on the list with experience in biodiesel who take the time to answer what must often seem like silly questions. that said, i have a few of those silly questions to ask myself. we've just started producing test batches of biodiesel from wvo with an interested group in the northern philippines. as we continue, i'm hoping to make future trials as beneficial to our learning process as possible. in that respect here are the issues i would appreciate insight on (or the link to where the info already is):
*heavily used and reusedand rereused WVO (is there a point at which the oil has been used so much that it becomes unprocessable? any specific issues increase?)
*mixing types of oil including solids like lard and fats in one batch (i've read examples mentioning mixed batches, but what issues do we need to be mindful of?)
*chemical purity (are the numbers given on journey to forever based on 100% pure and so if only 94% pure should we adjust accordingly? is there a point where the chemical is too impure, like 30%pure, to even adjust?)
i think that's it for now. i wouldn't be surprised if most of these questions were already addressed on the journeytoforever website but i haven't found them yet due to limited internet time. i'm still reading through the different types of reactors so hopefully we could more easily process small test batches. thanks again. its surprising this stuff hasn't caught on sooner.
Chuck


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Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

[Ian Hodgson]

Your so right tallex, I would add people of concience need to become more outspoken more public more active if we are to win the wars.

What wars I think the first war is the battle to save humanity, we need to sway the mind of MR/MRS Average from that of the self endulgent self centered consumerist. To people who live value centered lives. Then maybewe(the people of the western world)will not be so willing to be bought off by all the things that affect our bottom line ie interest rates and tax cuts, infaltion figures. 

When we are given the price of alternative energies for example, they(politicians) speak as though the environment is at thier disposal to either take into account or not, when your at the accountants you are not allowed to say "don't include the cost of that" yet Bush and my Prime Minister John Howard seem to think they have a right to do that justby, for example,ignoring the Kyoto treaty. 

The bible says what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world but lose his own soul. 
I believe we are in the middle of a great irony we are loosing our souls in an attempt to gain the world but the irony is who will want to live inthis world after the worst of humanities greed has finished with it.

So the first war is for the hearts of the people, then the secondwar (to save the plannet) can be won.

So what am I trying to say, in a nuthell some should be ativists for their beliefs, some should even be prepared to bejailed, some should be educators some letterwritters to papers and some talk onradio some should talk to their children parents relatives and guide them, all should be true to what they know is right and be themselves, and I think if enough people do things like that , maybe enough people will stop voting with thier walletsso thatthe big changes that we all need can actually happen.

regards

Ian

"Alt.EnergyNetwork" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Big deal,He cut 2 days off his vacation to do this...all for the cameras. As noted by others below, he was the one whocut army core of engineers budgetfor urgent repair on sinking dykes and improvements to flood control systems.He is the one who continues to distort sound science, the problemsof global warming and weakening the environmental protection act.As mentioned by others as well, he is the one who has troops, vitalrescue equipment in Iraq when needed here NOW.The lack of a well planned rapid advanced response to this disaster is a shame.There are many hard questions that will need answers in the months to come.regardstallexAlternate Energy Resource Network1000+ news sources-resourcesupdated dailyhttp://www.alternate-energy.net---Original Message--- From: Greg and
 April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Sent: 03 Sep '05 03:33  He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi.  Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened.  Greg H.   - Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost   Thanks.  I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look down.This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a fly by? I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up right now.  Hakan Falk wrote:  Mike,  LOL, you
 did a very good joke, I liked it.  Hakan  At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote:   Whine whine.At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised.  Hakan Falk wrote:Taryn,  You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame.  When media show the
 desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans.  Hakan   At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with "is there blame?"  I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again.  Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of
 the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school.But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans.  taryn http://ornae.com/  On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote:  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm   How New Orleans Was Lost  By Paul Craig Roberts  09/01/05 "Antiwar" -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of 

Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor - Plastic Processors

[Mills, Duncan]

I've got a 55l polyprop (PP) processor - bad choice. Nothing sticks to it -
silicon peels off, epoxy flakes away. Works best to have mechanical seals to
stop leaking.  There is specialized equipment for bonding PP to PP - I was
quoted 4500ZAR (715USD).  If you're mass manufacturing processors and you've
specified the mixing pump and heating element, with ports and orifices the
correct size then I guess a plastic of sorts would be cheaper.  

I'm busy making a steel processor - silicon stops leaking and epoxy sticks.



Regards,
 
Duncan Mills
082 853 8356

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor

FuelMeister - Voldemort lives...

 Keith,

 Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine.
 Juan G.


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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900

Hello Juan

 I would appreciate some help. I am new to the list and I read a few
 days
ago
 on one of the threads that metal tanks should be used to make a
 biodiesel
 processor. There are 2 processors I saw on the web 1 at Freedom Fuel
America
 the other at BioDiesel gear. Both are polyethylene ( i am sure most on
the
 list have seen them) are these any good?  Also is there any other place
web
 or otherwise where I could find biodiesel processors in kits or
assembled.



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[Biofuel] Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush

[Frantz DESPREZ]

Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Dear Mr. Bush:

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina 
and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. 
Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do 
you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. 
Man, was that a drag.

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could 
really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do 
like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to 
begin with?

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of 
Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but 
it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were 
still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was 
on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I 
know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't 
like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of 
dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to 
Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. 
Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was 
over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you 
specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans 
this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if 
you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be 
any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more 
important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was 
moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as 
you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the 
disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on 
some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to 
use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. 
Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would 
happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and 
hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their 
global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a 
hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that 
stretched from New York to Cleveland.

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 
percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no 
transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's 
not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white 
people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has 
nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army 
helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and 
the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.

Yours,

Michael Moore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.MichaelMoore.com http://www.michaelmoore.com

P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. 
She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving 
across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can 
catch up with them 
http://www.bringthemhomenowtour.org/userdata_display.php?modin=50 
before they get to DC on September 21st.


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Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

[John Hayes]

Ian Hodgson wrote:

 When we are given the price of alternative energies for example, 
 they(politicians) speak as though the environment is at thier disposal 
 to either take into account or not, when your at the accountants you are 
 not allowed to say don't include the cost of that yet Bush and my 
 Prime Minister John Howard seem to think they have a right to do that 
 just by, for example, ignoring the Kyoto treaty.

Which is an argument for cap and trade pollution controls. Such methods 
may not be perfect, but once you force markets to internalize 
enviromental costs, it becomes much harder to ignore. It forces people 
to do the right thing, not because of morals, but rather, because of 
economics. And frankly, as long as people and corporations are allowed 
to ignore environmental costs, the majority will.

jh


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Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat

[Kirk McLoren]

 From a related yet different perspective, do I introduce any trouble by burningmy wood burning fireplace insert?://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Your insert with a fan is probably 300% more efficient than a fireplace. That means instead of 98% of the heating value of the fuel being lost up the chimney only 90% is lost.
THe only fireplace I know of that is worth owning is the Finnish masonry firplace and I think it weighs 2 to 3tons. Definitely not a trivial second storey affair.
I myself favor biodiesel cogeneration so electricity and heat are obtained from the same fuel. Can reduce electricity cost to around 5 cents a kilowatt hour. Then there is the reliability of not being vulnerable to problems on the grid. Lousiana is a good case in point re not having your own.
Kirk
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[Biofuel] New Orleans Mayor: CIA Will Wipe Me Out

[Kirk McLoren]

Too bad competence isn't a requirement of holding office.
Kirk
=New Orleans Mayor: "CIA Will Wipe Me Out"September 3, 2005 10:02 p.m. ESThttp://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/718155Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff ReporterNew Orleans, Louisiana (AHN) - Apparently suffering from stress and a bit of paranoia, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin tells CNN Saturday night that he believes the CIA will "wipe him out" after his criticism of President Bush and the Federal Government in response to Hurricane Katrina.Mayor Nagin seemed to have calmed down after meeting with President Bush for two hours on Friday but became stressed again over the current situation still unfolding in his city.The Mayor has come under serious scrutiny and criticism in the last 72 hours after photos of parking lots filled with school buses that were sitting in a foot of water were
 released on the Internet. Many critics of the Mayor and Gov. Blanco say the buses could have saved an estimated 20,000 people if they had been used for emergency evacuations which President Bush had declared two days before Katrina hit.Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment strategically placed around the country to be used in the event of a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New Orleans, CNN reports Saturday night. Responding to a CNN inquiry, Department of Homeland Security spokesman Marc Short said Friday, "The gear has not been moved because none of the governors in the hurricane-ravaged area has requested it."A federal official says the department's Office for Domestic Preparedness reminded the Louisiana and Mississippi Governors' offices about the stockpiles on Wednesday and Thursday, but neither governor had requested it.As the picture becomes much more clear many in Congress
 believe that a total collapse of communications on the local and state level contributed to the catastrophic conditions the city of New Orleans has been under."It has become apparent that after President Bush declared the state of Louisiana a state of emergency a few days before the hurricane hit, communication with the White House and FEMA from city officials in New Orleans and the Governor collapsed," says Senator Dr. Bill Frist, who is currently helping victims with medical needs around the city."Our priority now is to save as many lives as possible, and things are improving by the hour," adds Frist.
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Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

[Richard Littrell]

 Dear Hakan,

I hold no brief for the second Gulf war and am totally disgusted with 
George Bush and was so before it became cool to be disgusted with George 
Bush.  However, this assertion about the US led blockade has always 
seemed to me grossly unfair.  Large numbers of children (and adults for 
that matter) died as a direct consequence of how Sadam chose to spend 
the money from the oil for food program.  He built 27 palaces and 
diverted money to rebuild his military.  Given how he gassed and 
tortured Iraqis before the first Gulf war he needed no help from the US 
to visit atrocities on his own people.   If he had used the money the 
way it was intended, for food and medicine, nobody would have starved.  
Also, this is without taking into consideration the hundreds of millions 
of dollars he had stashed away outside the country that could have been 
used to feed his people.  Or do we say that, since he was a head of 
state, he stole the money fair and square so it was his?

Rick



Kim,

During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very
large number of children died each year, something that Galloway
picked up in his part of the US oil for food hearings. ..- who died
only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time.
Many 1,000's more than anything from the hurricane. I still have the
Galloway speech at,

http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv

This was a direct consequence of the US led blockade. In this case
it was not the parents, it was the Americans.  I did not see many
Americans being upset about that.

Hakan

 

  



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Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

[Mike Weaver]

Mattew 16:?

Have to go to church in my SUV.  Bye now.

Ian Hodgson wrote:

 Your so right tallex, I would add people of concience need to become 
 more outspoken more public more active if we are to win the wars.
  
 What wars I think the first war is the battle to save humanity,  we 
 need to sway the mind of MR/MRS Average from that of the self 
 endulgent self centered consumerist. To people who live value centered 
 lives. Then maybe we (the people of the western world) will not be so 
 willing to be bought off by all the things that affect our bottom line 
 ie interest rates and tax cuts, infaltion figures.
  
 When we are given the price of alternative energies for example, 
 they(politicians) speak as though the environment is at thier disposal 
 to either take into account or not, when your at the accountants you 
 are not allowed to say don't include the cost of that yet Bush and 
 my Prime Minister John Howard seem to think they have a right to do 
 that just by, for example, ignoring the Kyoto treaty.
  
 The bible says what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world 
 but lose his own soul.
 I believe we are in the middle of a great irony we are loosing our 
 souls in an attempt to gain the world but the irony is who will want 
 to live in this world after the worst of humanities greed has finished 
 with it.
  
 So the first war is for the hearts of the people, then the  second war 
 (to save the plannet) can be won.
  
 So what am I trying to say, in a nuthell some should be ativists for 
 their beliefs, some should even be prepared to be jailed, some should 
 be educators some letterwritters to papers and some talk on radio some 
 should talk to their children parents relatives and guide them, all 
 should be true to what they know is right and be themselves, and I 
 think if enough people do things like that , maybe enough people will 
 stop voting with thier wallets so that the big changes that we all 
 need can actually happen.
  
 regards
  
 Ian
  
  
 */Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Big deal,
 He cut 2 days off his vacation to do this
 ...all for the cameras. As noted by others below, he was the one who
 cut army core of engineers budget
 for urgent repair on sinking dykes and improvements to flood
 control systems.

 He is the one who continues to distort sound science, the problems
 of global warming and weakening the environmental protection act.
 As mentioned by others as well, he is the one who has troops, vital
 rescue equipment in Iraq when needed here NOW.
 The lack of a well planned rapid advanced response to this
 disaster is a shame.
 There are many hard questions that will need answers in the months
 to come.



 regards
 tallex

 Alternate Energy Resource Network
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 updated daily
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 ---Original Message---
  From: Greg and April
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
  Sent: 03 Sep '05 03:33
 
  He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New
 Orleans, and
  Mississippi.
 
  Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened.
 
  Greg H.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Mike Weaver
  To:
  Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
 
 
  Thanks.
 
  I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look
  down.  This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does
 is a
  fly by?
  I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get
 wound up
  right now.
 
  Hakan Falk wrote:
 
  Mike,
  
  LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it.
  
  Hakan
  
  At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote:
  
  
  Whine whine.  At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he
 promised.
  
  Hakan Falk wrote:
  
  
  
  Taryn,
  
  You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money,
  he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that
  efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee
  that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from
  Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is
  not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much
  more in shorter time frame.
  
  When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it
  is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of
  compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that
  are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more
  than Orleans.
  
  Hakan
  
  
  At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote:
  
  
  
  
  Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame?
  
  I just love 

Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor

[Mike Weaver]

On Anglais, steal of money!



Frantz DESPREZ wrote:

Mike Weaver a écrit :

  

FuelMeister - Voldemort lives...



In french, voldemort can mean death flight or steal of dead

frantz

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Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans Mayor: CIA Will Wipe Me Out

[Mike Weaver]

That's the problem w/ democracy - you get who you vote for.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

 Too bad competence isn't a requirement of holding office.
 Kirk

 =
 New Orleans Mayor: CIA Will Wipe Me Out

 September 3, 2005 10:02 p.m. EST
 http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/718155
 Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff Reporter

 New Orleans, Louisiana (AHN) - Apparently suffering from stress and a
 bit of paranoia, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin tells CNN Saturday night
 that he believes the CIA will wipe him out after his criticism of
 President Bush and the Federal Government in response to Hurricane
 Katrina.

 Mayor Nagin seemed to have calmed down after meeting with
 President Bush
 for two hours on Friday but became stressed again over the current
 situation still unfolding in his city.

 The Mayor has come under serious scrutiny and criticism in the
 last 72
 hours after photos of parking lots filled with school buses that were
 sitting in a foot of water were released on the Internet. Many
 critics
 of the Mayor and Gov. Blanco say the buses could have saved an
 estimated
 20,000 people if they had been used for emergency evacuations which
 President Bush had declared two days before Katrina hit.

 Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment strategically placed
 around
 the country to be used in the event of a catastrophe still have
 not been
 pressed into service in New Orleans, CNN reports Saturday night.
 Responding to a CNN inquiry, Department of Homeland Security
 spokesman
 Marc Short said Friday, The gear has not been moved because none
 of the
 governors in the hurricane-ravaged area has requested it.

 A federal official says the department's Office for Domestic
 Preparedness reminded the Louisiana and Mississippi Governors'
 offices
 about the stockpiles on Wednesday and Thursday, but neither
 governor had
 requested it.

 As the picture becomes much more clear many in Congress believe
 that a
 total collapse of communications on the local and state level
 contributed to the catastrophic conditions the city of New Orleans
 has
 been under.

 It has become apparent that after President Bush declared the
 state of
 Louisiana a state of emergency a few days before the hurricane hit,
 communication with the White House and FEMA from city officials in
 New
 Orleans and the Governor collapsed, says Senator Dr. Bill Frist,
 who is
 currently helping victims with medical needs around the city.

 Our priority now is to save as many lives as possible, and things
 are
 improving by the hour, adds Frist.

 
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Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor - Plastic Processors

[Mike Weaver]

Been there done that.  Stainless best, then plain old steel.  Will 
probably use a 55 gal drum or a Appleseed-based when I scale up my 
current stainless rig.
Plastic ok to learn on.

-Mike

Mills, Duncan wrote:

I've got a 55l polyprop (PP) processor - bad choice. Nothing sticks to it -
silicon peels off, epoxy flakes away. Works best to have mechanical seals to
stop leaking.  There is specialized equipment for bonding PP to PP - I was
quoted 4500ZAR (715USD).  If you're mass manufacturing processors and you've
specified the mixing pump and heating element, with ports and orifices the
correct size then I guess a plastic of sorts would be cheaper.  

I'm busy making a steel processor - silicon stops leaking and epoxy sticks.



Regards,
 
Duncan Mills
082 853 8356

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver
Sent: 02 September 2005 10:01 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor

FuelMeister - Voldemort lives...

  

Keith,

Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine.
Juan G.




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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900

Hello Juan

  

I would appreciate some help. I am new to the list and I read a few


days
ago
  

on one of the threads that metal tanks should be used to make a


biodiesel
  

processor. There are 2 processors I saw on the web 1 at Freedom Fuel


America
  

the other at BioDiesel gear. Both are polyethylene ( i am sure most on


the
  

list have seen them) are these any good?  Also is there any other place


web
  

or otherwise where I could find biodiesel processors in kits or


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Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help

[Richard Littrell]

Dear Miguel

We are already swaying to cuban music which is really fine. As for
spanish, that will be spoken because of the Bush administration's
refusal to do anything of substance about illegal immigration from
Mexico. They could end it in a matter weeks if they wanted to but they
don't. If it weren't for all of the other incredibly vile things this
administration has done, this would be the worst.

Rick

Mike Weaver wrote:

  Uh, actually he figured out all the National Guardsmen are in Iraq and 
Cuba is planning to invade.  This is the advance unit.
We'll all be speaking Spanish, and swaying to the Cuban beat by Christmas.
I, for one, am looking forward to the food if nothing else.

Gracias,

Miguel

ith Addison wrote:

  
  

  He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained 
Soldiers to this country
   

  

Wow, Juan, thank heavens you saw through his evil plan, and just in 
the nick of time to save the US from being overwhelmed, not to 
mention CAWKI! Phew! What a narrow escape! Is that 1100 just the 
advance guard or do you think they'd do the whole job by themselves? 
Man, *that* specially trained, huh? What else did your researches 
reveal - are their stethoscopes made by Kalashnikov, deadly at any 
range less than 1mm? Anyway, you saved the world! Pity about all the 
patients but hey, you can't have everything. Sorry Mr Nice Guy Fidel, 
no Bay of Doctors this time!

Keith



 



  
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-B 
B62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN

Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro

Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered 
the United States eleven hundred
doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and 
diagnostic teams, to help the
victims of Hurricane Katrina.

The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban 
television program The Informative Round
Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the 
northern nation that were in the
path of the devastating storm.

Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he 
instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister
Felipe Prez Roque to convey to the American government Cubas 
condolences for the loss of human
life caused by the cyclone.

At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material 
catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi
and Alabama was not known.

The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the 
Ministry of Foreign Affairs in
Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, 
indicated Cubas willingness to send
doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as 
three field hospitals and the
personnel required to staff them.

He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and 
ideological differences, the island has
always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as 
this, and he recalled the attitude
assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to 
offer assistance to the United
States, when it put the islands airports at the disposal of 
airliners flying towards that nation,
he said.

Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek 
publicity, and this was stressed in the
message sent to the American authorities.

He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State 
Department Thursday evening about the
offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the 
world, which failed to mention that
of the biggest of the Antilles.

President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could 
send to the areas of greatest need
the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks 
containing 24 kilograms of
essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations.

Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand 
specialists in general medicine,
plus equipment.

Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with 
extensive medical experience tested in
the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also 
have English language proficiency.

fg/ool/jwp
 


  


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Re: [Biofuel] BD Q's on WVO and Chemicals

[Mike Weaver]

chuck mellin wrote:

 first off, many thanks to all those people on the list with experience 
 in biodiesel who take the time to answer what must often seem like 
 silly questions. that said, i have a few of those silly questions to 
 ask myself. we've just started producing test batches of biodiesel 
 from wvo with an interested group in the northern philippines. as we 
 continue, i'm hoping to make future trials as beneficial to our 
 learning process as possible. in that respect here are the issues i 
 would appreciate insight on (or the link to where the info already is):

 *heavily used and reusedand rereused WVO (is there a point at 
 which the oil has been used so much that it becomes unprocessable? any 
 specific issues increase?)

Dunno.  I've quit fooling with really nasty oil.  Just not worth the 
hassle.  Keith will know better.

 *mixing types of oil including solids like lard and fats in one batch 
 (i've read examples mentioning mixed batches, but what issues do we 
 need to be mindful of?)

Only thing I do is heat and stir the whole batch, then titrate and go.  
Again, unless you have gobs of  free bad oil delivered,  why bother?

 *chemical purity (are the numbers given on journey to forever based on 
 100% pure and so if only 94% pure should we adjust accordingly? is 
 there a point where the chemical is too impure, like 30%pure, to even 
 adjust?)

Got me.

 i think that's it for now. i wouldn't be surprised if most of these 
 questions were already addressed on the journeytoforever website but i 
 haven't found them yet due to limited internet time. i'm still reading 
 through the different types of reactors so hopefully we could more 
 easily process small test batches. thanks again. its surprising this 
 stuff hasn't caught on sooner.

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Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help

[Mike Weaver]

I already speak Spanish so it doesn't bother me.  With regards to 
immigration, legal or illegal, all I will say is that the current system 
needs reform. 


Richard Littrell wrote:

 Dear Miguel

 We are already swaying to cuban music which is really fine.  As for 
 spanish, that will be spoken because of the Bush administration's 
 refusal to do anything of substance about illegal immigration from 
 Mexico.  They could end it in a matter weeks if they wanted to but 
 they don't.  If it weren't for all of the other incredibly vile things 
 this administration has done, this would be the worst.

 Rick

 Mike Weaver wrote:

Uh, actually he figured out all the National Guardsmen are in Iraq and 
Cuba is planning to invade.  This is the advance unit.
We'll all be speaking Spanish, and swaying to the Cuban beat by Christmas.
I, for one, am looking forward to the food if nothing else.

Gracias,

Miguel

ith Addison wrote:

  

He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained 
Soldiers to this country
   

  

Wow, Juan, thank heavens you saw through his evil plan, and just in 
the nick of time to save the US from being overwhelmed, not to 
mention CAWKI! Phew! What a narrow escape! Is that 1100 just the 
advance guard or do you think they'd do the whole job by themselves? 
Man, *that* specially trained, huh? What else did your researches 
reveal - are their stethoscopes made by Kalashnikov, deadly at any 
range less than 1mm? Anyway, you saved the world! Pity about all the 
patients but hey, you can't have everything. Sorry Mr Nice Guy Fidel, 
no Bay of Doctors this time!

Keith



 



From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-B 
B62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN

Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro

Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered 
the United States eleven hundred
doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and 
diagnostic teams, to help the
victims of Hurricane Katrina.

The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban 
television program The Informative Round
Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the 
northern nation that were in the
path of the devastating storm.

Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he 
instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister
Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s 
condolences for the loss of human
life caused by the cyclone.

At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material 
catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi
and Alabama was not known.

The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the 
Ministry of Foreign Affairs in
Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, 
indicated Cuba´s willingness to send
doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as 
three field hospitals and the
personnel required to staff them.

He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and 
ideological differences, the island has
always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as 
this, and he recalled the attitude
assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to 
offer assistance to the United
States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of 
airliners flying towards that nation,
he said.

Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek 
publicity, and this was stressed in the
message sent to the American authorities.

He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State 
Department Thursday evening about the
offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the 
world, which failed to mention that
of the biggest of the Antilles.

President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could 
send to the areas of greatest need
the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks 
containing 24 kilograms of
essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations.

Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand 
specialists in general medicine,
plus equipment.

Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with 
extensive medical experience tested in
the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also 
have English language proficiency.

fg/ool/jwp
 



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Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Re: Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39

[Mike Weaver]

Sorry about that - I just replied to the post - I'll keep an eye out in 
the future...

-Mike

Keith Addison wrote:

Seems nobody told either of you NOT to post messages with such titles 
as Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39!!!

But in fact they did: at the top of the Digest it says: 'When 
replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than 
Re: Contents of Biofuel digest...'

Use the thread title or give it a new title.

Thankyou.

Keith Addison
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KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Biofuel list owner

 

  

nuts.  who told you about the Vicodin?  was it Redler?

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Re: [Biofuel] Is Katrina the end to Bush's brand of 'conservatism'?

[Mike Weaver]

If you watch the main stream media, it seems that black people are 
portrayed as looters while white people are presented as scavengers

J Wermont wrote:

Good articles, but I sure wish people (who are mostly progressive
and should know better) would stop referring to people who are taking
food and supplies, in order to survive, as looters. It makes them
sound like violent savages, when in fact, they are barely surviving
in a hell hole, with little help from their government services.

Joyce W

On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 01:34:58PM -0400, John Hayes wrote:
  Very interesting. While the folks at redstate.org are already 
  counter-spinning hard due to the supposed bias in the MSM (Mainstream 
  Media), more intellectual folks are starting to ask if  Katrina 
  represents a tipping point for the current administration and their 
  worldview.
  
  I first noticed it with Fukuyama's recent column about Iraq on Tuesday.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/opinion/31fukuyama.html
  
  Then Brooks wrote an interesting history of Floods and US politics.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/opinion/01brooks.html
  
  The same day Douthat wrote an eye-opening piece on the neo-con world 
  view and how it deals with 9/11 versus Katrina.
  http://www.theamericanscene.com/2005/09/anti-911-on-september-11-there-was.php
  
  Noam Scheiber at the New Republic replied to Douthat's piece.
  http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=2764
  
  Tom Bartnett said the Bush admin makes Jon Stewart's job such a 
  frickin' cakewalk that the man should send his Peabody's to the White 
  House as a thank-you.
  http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/archives2/002244.html
  
  And then today Brooks essentially said we've already reached the tipping 
  point since the Bush adminstration lacks competence.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04brooks.html
  
  Very interesting times we live in.
  
  jh
  
  
  
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[Biofuel] Anyone hear anyrunblings in the rendering world about protecting our turf?

[Mike Weaver]

I ran into a guy who works for the owner of a large trap grease operator 
in the South - Ga. and area.  His take was that there will be some 
effort on the
part of the big boys to:

1.  Push legislation that will make WVO a substance that will require 
certification and insurance to handle.  This will expensive enough to 
drive off us little guys.
2.  Rework existing contracts with restaurants to scare the owners and 
lock us out.
3.  Require a certified facility to handle WVO.

Some states already have some laws on the books but as I understand 
these are not too onerous.

I already subscribe to one industry publication and am planning to join 
a few others to see if the above is true.  I'm also thinking of 
attending a conference or so to take the pulse of the industry.

In closing,

1.  I hope that readers will keep an eye on state and federal WVO 
legislation and if something comes up, alert the gang.
2.  If some or all of the above does come to pass I plan to try to raise 
enough money to start a WVO facility here in the DC (MD VA DE) area.
3.  I have just started researching this - if anyone knows more I would 
like to hear!

-Mike


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Re: [Biofuel] Gmail anybody else want to try?

[Brian Rodgers]

Hello,
I read your praise of gmail in the biofuel list and
had to check it out myself.  I proceeded to their site
to see what's what to find they aren't offering signup
at this time which explains your nice offer to give up
one of your extra accounts.  If you still have ID
available I'd like to try gmail for myself.
Thanks a bunch and will see ya on the list ^^
John
Great. Yeah I have 99 left after the one I gave to you'
Brian
snip
Hi All
The List Admin was having a lot of problems getting through on my
business domain so we switched to my Gmail account. What a marvelous
change. Google mail organizes things by thread! Plus google recommends
that you save everything. With a search engine built in posts are
right here when I want them. Sorry if I sound like an ad for google,
this is working so much better, there may be ramifications I don't
know about, but oh well.  Google gives us fifty free invites and these
accounts are currently at 2.7 gig each.
Let me know if you need one.
Brian Rodgers

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Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat

[Ken Dunn]

I know its not much better but, I believe our insert is rated at 40% 
efficiency.  We plan to move to a more efficient catalytic wood burning 
insert as soon as we can swing the finances.  Vermont Castings claims 
78% efficiency of one of their models.

Kirk wrote:

Your insert with a fan is probably 300% more efficient than a fireplace. 
That means instead of 98% of the heating value of the fuel being lost up 
the chimney only 90% is lost.

THe only fireplace I know of that is worth owning is the Finnish masonry 
firplace and I think it weighs 2 to 3 tons. Definitely not a trivial 
second storey affair.

I myself favor biodiesel cogeneration so electricity and heat are 
obtained from the same fuel. Can reduce electricity cost to around 5 
cents a kilowatt hour. Then there is the reliability of not being 
vulnerable to problems on the grid. Lousiana is a good case in point re 
not having your own.


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Re: [Biofuel] Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush

[Jerry Eyers]

This is such balloney. It is so easy to be an armchair quarterback.
He needs to research his facts a little before spewing junk.

The reason that FEMA couldn't respond, is because there is very
little of FEMA left. It was put under the control of the "department
of homeland security" which has spent two years cutting it's 
budget and siphoning off the cash into it's own projects. There
was little response because there is little FEMA left to respond
with. 

No one at DHS knows anything about repsonding to disasters and
they had fired everyone who did. Result? Just look around.

Besides, I have never seen anything intelligent come from Mr. Moore
except this kind of headline-grabbing-attempt verbage.

The problem is DHS and the funding for FEMA. Simple sollution...
put the $ back where was supposed to be and for what it was
intended, and get rid of the SS (oops, I mean HS).

Jerry








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Re: [Biofuel] Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

[JJJN]

Gregg Davidson wrote:

 Hi Jim,
  
 The * VERY * first thing you need to make sure of when putting 
 biodiesel in your gasoline engine is that the addition of methanol 
 in * ANY * form will not damage your engine. *I strongly suggest* * 
 you read your owners manual *.
  
 *I recently bought a new vehicle  out of couriousity looked at the 
 fuel specs. Use of gasoline, and */* or gasoline-ethanol* *mixtures is 
 allowed, but gasoline-methanol mixtures or the addition of methanol in 
 any way, shape, form, or fashion can damage or destroy vital engine 
 components.*
 ** 
 Respectfully,
 Gregg Davidson

 **


Thanks Greg,
I decided against using it as an additive right now except into an old 
lawn mower that I have. ( no loss..probably should be in dump anyway) 
But I did use it in an old Kerosene lamp.  I guess its just so cool to 
see something you made do what its supposed to (quality tests) then to 
see it burn so clean no smoke at all  well thats just cool.  I plan 
on having  the ASTM  testing done  for  quality before I use it in my 
Cumins.I have a long ways to go before I am at that level though.

I am still looking for information about white PVC pipe and and how it 
stands the chemicals. I want to experiment with my venturis as a vacume 
source and for introduction of Methoxil. Any guidance??

  

 * *

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 *
 */Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Hello Jim

 I had some general question about Biodiesel:
 
 1. I have some PVC Venturis that I thought would work for mixing the
 Methoxil and oil together. Would it tear up the PVC? How about
 Venturis
 and PVC in the washing process?
 
 2. How much if any Biodiesel can be added to gasoline engines as an
 upper lubricant and carb cleaner additive?

 See:

 Biodiesel in gasoline engines
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas

 Best wishes

 Keith


 3. Has any one gotten good results from this usage of biodiesel?
 
 4. Will this use work with 2 stroke engines? I need to winterize
 my boat
 and wonder how that would work as opposed to sea foam.
 
 5. I can get methanol for $2.24 US is this good bad or average?
 
 Thank you
 Jim


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[Biofuel] Bioheating Oil

[Thomas Kelly]

 I have had some success in 
making biodiesel,am interested in bioheating oil as described at JtF. 
Ittells how to make a 60L batch. 
 I have a question about 
the amount of lye used.
 "Use  the amount of 
lye indicated by titration."
 "Using the standard amount 
of lye for 60L "
1. Does this mean use:
 Amount of lye from titration + 
3.5g lye/L of oil?
 (as in biodiesel 
production)

 Since the process converts less 
of the oil into biodiesel,
with much unconverted glycerides,bioheating 
oil sounds like a mix of biodiesel and WVO with the free fatty acids 
removed.

2. Will WVO burn in waste oil heaters designed to 
burn used crankcase oil?
 If not, would the addition of 
biodiesel to the WVO work?
 If so, can anyone suggest a 
ratio to try?
 (My impression is that 
bioheating oil is less than 50% biodiesel.)

3. Any problems if we mix bioheating oil with the 
used crankcase oil?

 I am experimenting with 
biodiesel in with my heating oil and burning it in my own furnace, but it's not my waste oil burner and I tend to be a bit more 
cautious with other people's stuff. 
 
Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush

[John Hayes]

Jerry Eyers wrote:
 The reason that FEMA couldn't respond, is because there is very
 little of FEMA left. 
snip

 No one at DHS knows anything about repsonding to disasters and
 they had fired everyone who did.  Result?  Just look around.
snip

 The problem is DHS and the funding for FEMA.  Simple sollution...
 put the $ back where was supposed to be and for what it was
 intended, and get rid of the SS (oops, I mean HS).

Seems to me putting a lawyer with no knowledge of disaster relief in 
charge of the federal agency disaster relief might have been part of the 
problem, eh? Political cronyism that stresses loyalty over knowledge, 
experience and competence strikes me as a rather glaring problem. I 
mean, after 9/11, who could have imagined that FEMA would need respond 
to a disaster?

I could even forgive our President if he'd replaced Brown once it became 
clear that Brown had no clue what he was doing. Hell, it's not like the 
President couldn't have gone to his bench and put Guiliani in the game. 
But no, our President's exact words were:

Brownie, you're doing a helluva job. The FEMA director is working 24 
hours a day.

Are you kidding me? Brown admits on national TV that he has no knowledge 
of thousands of refugees at the convention center, and our  says he's 
doing a helluva job. It would be farcical if the results weren't so 
tragic.

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Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

[Keith Addison]

Oh dear... you sure have some homework to do Rick, on just about all 
counts. I suggest you do so before you argue any further about it, on 
just how that half-million-odd children died and why (Hakan didn't 
say they starved), on the Iraq food program under Saddam Hussein 
(very few people starved) and a comparison with the situation now, on 
Saddam gassing his own people, and probably a whole lot else, because 
you have it all wrong. And we've had it all out here before, so the 
onus is on you to prove what you say, not on us to disprove it, we've 
already done so.

Best wishes

Keith




 Dear Hakan,

I hold no brief for the second Gulf war and am totally disgusted with
George Bush and was so before it became cool to be disgusted with George
Bush.  However, this assertion about the US led blockade has always
seemed to me grossly unfair.  Large numbers of children (and adults for
that matter) died as a direct consequence of how Sadam chose to spend
the money from the oil for food program.  He built 27 palaces and
diverted money to rebuild his military.  Given how he gassed and
tortured Iraqis before the first Gulf war he needed no help from the US
to visit atrocities on his own people.   If he had used the money the
way it was intended, for food and medicine, nobody would have starved.
Also, this is without taking into consideration the hundreds of millions
of dollars he had stashed away outside the country that could have been
used to feed his people.  Or do we say that, since he was a head of
state, he stole the money fair and square so it was his?

Rick

 
 
 Kim,
 
 During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very
 large number of children died each year, something that Galloway
 picked up in his part of the US oil for food hearings. ..- who died
 only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time.
 Many 1,000's more than anything from the hurricane. I still have the
 Galloway speech at,
 
 http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv
 
 This was a direct consequence of the US led blockade. In this case
 it was not the parents, it was the Americans.  I did not see many
 Americans being upset about that.
 
 Hakan


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Re: [Biofuel] Bioheating Oil

[Keith Addison]

Hello Tom

 I have had some success in making biodiesel, am interested in 
bioheating oil as described at JtF. It tells how to make a 60L batch.
 I have a question about the amount of lye used.
 Use  the amount of lye indicated by titration.
 Using the standard amount of lye for 60L  
1. Does this mean use:
Amount of lye from titration + 3.5g lye/L of oil?
(as in biodiesel production)

Where it says Use... the amount of lye indicated by titration the 
word titration is linked to the basic titration instructions where 
it says: Take the number of millilitres of 0.1% lye solution you 
used and add 3.5. This is the number of grams of lye you'll need per 
litre of oil.

Since the process converts less of the oil into biodiesel,
with much unconverted glycerides, bioheating oil sounds like a mix 
of biodiesel and WVO with the free fatty acids removed.

Some unconverted and partly converted glycerides left, quite a lot 
glycerine removed but less than with fuel-grade biodiesel, most or 
nearly all FFA removed. It is not a mix of biodiesel and WVO.

2. Will WVO burn in waste oil heaters designed to burn used crankcase oil?

Did you read this?

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me9.html
Journey to Forever's forced-air biofuel heater

If not, would the addition of biodiesel to the WVO work?

Yes, but as explained in the link above, it's much more expensive 
that way and bioheating oil is less trouble to make.

If so, can anyone suggest a ratio to try?
(My impression is that bioheating oil is less than 50% biodiesel.)

Not so, it's not a mix. It splits, it's biodiesel, but with a poor 
conversion ratio. Why don't you make some? That'll give you a much 
better impression. It bears no resemblance to WVO.

3. Any problems if we mix bioheating oil with the used crankcase oil?

We're not interested in burning used crankcase oil and we have no 
experience of it, but we've been working with a bunch of people who 
use it. Commercially available waste oil heaters burn at high 
temperatures, engines run hotter than they used to and lube oil has 
additives to keep it from burning. It would be surprising if they 
couldn't handle bioheating oil, or WVO.

Best wishes

Keith


 I am experimenting with biodiesel in with my heating oil and 
burning it in my own furnace, but it's not my waste oil burner and I 
tend to be a bit more cautious with other people's stuff.
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Re: [Biofuel] BD Q's on WVO and Chemicals

[Keith Addison]

Hello Chuck

first off, many thanks to all those people on the list with 
experience in biodiesel who take the time to answer what must often 
seem like silly questions. that said, i have a few of those silly 
questions to ask myself. we've just started producing test batches 
of biodiesel from wvo

You should start with virgin oil. Start with minimum variables, then 
add them one by one as required. Start here:
Where do I start?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

with an interested group in the northern philippines. as we 
continue, i'm hoping to make future trials as beneficial to our 
learning process as possible. in that respect here are the issues i 
would appreciate insight on (or the link to where the info already 
is):

*heavily used and reusedand rereused WVO (is there a point at 
which the oil has been used so much that it becomes unprocessable? 
any specific issues increase?)

For beginners, you'd best avoid anything that titrates at more than 
about 5 ml 0.1% NaOH solution, and 2.5 to 3 ml would be better. No 
oil is truly unprocessable, but whether it's worth your bother is 
another matter.

*mixing types of oil including solids like lard and fats in one 
batch (i've read examples mentioning mixed batches, but what issues 
do we need to be mindful of?)

As Mike said, heat, stir, titrate and go.

*chemical purity (are the numbers given on journey to forever based 
on 100% pure and so if only 94% pure should we adjust accordingly? 
is there a point where the chemical is too impure, like 30%pure, to 
even adjust?)

The Journey to Forever website is specific about it in each case, but 
you don't specify which chemicals you mean. NaOH, methanol, 
isopropanyl should be pure, probably you're asking about those. This 
shouldn't be interesting you yet, if ever, you should be minimising 
the variables, not looking for new ones.

i think that's it for now. i wouldn't be surprised if most of these 
questions were already addressed on the journeytoforever website

Yes.

Best wishes

Keith


but i haven't found them yet due to limited internet time. i'm still 
reading through the different types of reactors so hopefully we 
could more easily process small test batches. thanks again. its 
surprising this stuff hasn't caught on sooner.

Chuck


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Re: [Biofuel] Oil shale

[Ray J]

   They don't need subsidies; the process should be commercially 
feasible with world oil prices at $30 a barrel. The energy balance is 
favorable; under a conservative life-cycle analysis, it should yield 3.5 
units of energy for every 1 unit used in production. The process 
recovers about 10 times as much oil as mining the rock and crushing and 
cooking it at the surface,


  While the rock is cooking, at about 650 or 750 degrees 
Fahrenheit, how do you keep the hydrocarbons from contaminating ground 
water? Why, you build an ice wall around the whole thing. As O'Connor 
said, it's counterintuitive.

   But ice is impermeable to water. So around the perimeter of 
the productive site, you drill lots more shafts, only 8 to 12 feet 
apart, put in piping, and pump refrigerants through it. The water in the 
ground around the shafts freezes, and eventually forms a 20- to 30-foot 
ice barrier around the site. 


heating  rock to 700degrees...  then encasing the area in ice so the 
oil dont get awaythen pumpin out what u wantand they still get 
3.5 to 1 net energy gain...  wow isnt oil great  sounds like 
a pipe dream to me


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Re: [Biofuel] Oil shale

[Tom Irwin]

Hi Robert and all,

With all of that investment you can expect things to continue as usual. Move to higher ground folks. Global warming and climate change isn´t going to get any better for a long long time. I believe we are officially in the Atlantic hurricane season this week. I hate to sat this butmore storms will be heading to my country soon as well as the Caribbean and Central America. Any tropicalstorms entering the Gulf of Mexico have a good chance of becoming at leastcatagory 3 hurricanes until the waters there cool below 30 C. Brace for more of the sameuntil December. Also I would expect this to be a yearly event. 

Tom Irwin


From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:32:36 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil shaleRay J wrote: heating rock to 700degrees... then encasing the area in ice so the  oil dont get awaythen pumpin out what u want and they still get  3.5 to 1 net energy gain... wow isnt oil great sounds like  a pipe dream to meThere is a LOT of money flowing into this kind of technology right now. A former client of mine, who designs the layout of oil refineries in Canada, told me that investment in tar sands and oil shale is creating yet another energy sector boom in Alberta.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



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