Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House

2007-05-29 Thread Dawie Coetzee
A bit of overkill indeed, but it did get me thinking if the principle may be 
used more simply, e.g. with ducting instead of a complete annular space? Also, 
it would be better if solar penetration were not required at the bottom of the 
house, especially in winter when the angle of attack is low and the lower 
floors are likely to be shaded by other buildings. This makes it unsuitable for 
urban environments, which ought to encourage walking and discourage driving and 
therefore need to minimize travel distances and maintain pedestrian 
stimulation. I wonder if one can make it work using roof exposure only.

It also got me to thinking about another approach which dispenses with 
convection but uses the greenhouse principle, and was not uncommon during the 
Middle Ages. In another sense it has come to be known as micro-architecture, 
the term being used for anything from choirs and screens and reliquaries in 
cathedrals in the form of miniature buildings, to the medieval cupboard-bed. 
The idea in the present sense is that of a room within a room: a piece of 
furniture that is well sunned through the windows during a winter day, which is 
snug and enclosable, well insulated with rugs, and small enough to capitalize 
on body heat, so that it remains warm while the annular space cools down 
towards morning. In summer the rugs may be removed and the sides opened and the 
cupboard-bedroom becomes part of the now-well-ventilated outer room.

It does rather appropriately add another meaning to the word solar in the 
sense of a medieval upper chamber where one might expect to find a 
cupboard-bed, even though the term is derived from the Old French for floor, 
beam, floor joist, and hence upstairs.

-Dawie


- Original Message 
From: Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, 28 May, 2007 5:31:09 PM
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Hi Mike  all,
i had a quick look at the Website of enertia,there are some very good aspects 
in their aproach,but i think this is a kind of overkill!
We talking here of basically two Housshells wich are probably very costly and 
not ment for everybodys means!
A significant aspect of full Woodhouses is not even mentionned in this website
the ability of wood to even out differences of  humidity and therefore act as a 
catalizer.
Everone owns a Loghome would be able to tell that the Klimate in a Loghome is 
much more natural and better than in conventional built studdwallstructure with 
all kind of windbarriers and vaporbarriers!
The only disadventage,Loghomes are very labourintensive and therefore expensive.
I am working since a while on a constructionmethod with double Woodwalls 
insulated with natural fiber insulation,not using vaporbarriers at all,so the 
whole wall is considered as a full Logwall.
This method is costefficient, easy to assemble for homebuyers and 
ecological,since the protection of the wood is mainly to constructiv means!
My Modelhome should be up by the end of this summer!
Fritz 
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House


http://enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx


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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

2007-05-29 Thread Joe Street

Hi Ray;

Sorry for the delay.  Try this forum for more information on Delicas.

http://delica.ca/forum/index.php

Joe

raymond greeley wrote:

I would like to see this van, what did you send it in. I have not been 
able to open

ray



Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:02 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported one
with low miles from Japan.  He loves it.

Joe

Luke Kareklas wrote:

Hello All, 


I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler,
Magician, and Balloon Guy.

I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year,
if this is a helpful bit of information. 
 
Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and

it's come time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a
fan of alternative fuels for years, but never pursued a diesel
vehicle.

I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would
you recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO,
WVO, or biodiesel system for me to drive? I am looking for a
1/2 or 3/4 ton van, not really a minivan type of vehicle.

Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts
will help ground me and get me pointed in the right direction.
I guess I have to go buy a diesel vehicle before I can get
moving on SVO, WVO, or Biodiesel fueling, right?
Thank you very much.

Luke
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

2007-05-29 Thread Fred Oliff
Joe et al,

How easy/difficult is it to import some of these diesel vans into Canada? After that, how easy/difficult to import into the US. Could someone make a business of it? Will it be made any easier next year when the floodgates open for diesels?

Fred


From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van RecommendationsDate: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:22:40 -0400
Hi Ray;Sorry for the delay. Try this forum for more information on Delicas.http://delica.ca/forum/index.phpJoeraymond greeley wrote:


I would like to see this van, what did you send it in. I have not been able to openray


Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:02 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van RecommendationsLook for a mitsubishi delica. A buddy of mine just imported one with low miles from Japan. He loves it.JoeLuke Kareklas wrote:




Hello All,Iam a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler, Magician, and"Balloon Guy."I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if this is a helpful bitof information.

Lately my entertainment businesshas gotten really busy and it'scome time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative fuels for years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle. 
I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or biodiesel system for me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton van, not really a "minivan" type of vehicle. Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will help ground me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I have togo buy a diesel vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, or Biodiesel fueling, right? Thank you very much. Luke

Luke KareklasLuke the Juggler614-764-8010www.LuketheJuggler.com
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

2007-05-29 Thread Joe Street

Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP



Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there was a
reason. Despite taking care to drink only bottled water, Lester
didn't know that *much more of the pollution-laced tap water is
absorbed through the skin from bathing and washing clothes.
*
Poor Lester.

*Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants is known
to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have ever been done to
determine the toxicity of pollution scrubber liquor  the fluoride
used in water fluoridation schemes.
*



Now I have heard this several times over the last little while with 
regard to chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make sense to me that my 
body would adsorb more chlorine (or flourine or any other toxin) from 
water through skin contact than by drinking it.  When I drink water the 
entire amount goes inside and has to be processed before any of it comes 
out again.  The internal linings have evolved to be highly adsorbing and 
I'm guessing that it is moreso than the skin.  I'd like to see the proof 
about this claim.


Joe
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[Biofuel] Fwd: The Overstory #189--Agroforester's Library (update)

2007-05-29 Thread Keith Addison
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:00:44 -1000
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Subject: The Overstory #189--Agroforester's Library (update)

Publication date: May 28, 2007



The Overstory #189--Agroforester's Library (update)
by Agroforestry Net



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Multipurpose tree book by Permanent Agriculture Resources:
_Traditional Trees of Pacific Islands_ -- This 816 page book
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The Overstory #189--Agroforester's Library (update)
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Contents:

: INTRODUCTION
: ORGANIZATIONS
: LISTS OF WEB LINKS
: RELATED EDITIONS OF THE OVERSTORY
: PUBLISHER NOTES
: SUBSCRIPTIONS




INTRODUCTION

Agroforester's Library is a periodic feature of The Overstory.
Agroforestry references, species references, book sources,
organizations, periodicals, and web sites are covered.

Due to the length of the material, only organizational links and lists
of links are included here. The entire updated library can be viewed at
http://www.agroforestry.net/aflibr.html.

We welcome your comments and input.

Aloha,
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Alternatives to Slash-and-Burn (ASB) is a global partnership of over 50
institutions around the world with a shared interest in conserving
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Re: [Biofuel] Off topic

2007-05-29 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Dear all. I am very flattered that my methanol method had so much attention. 
Here is a development of the method:
Equipment needed for the analysis

  1.. One 250 ml separatory funnel 
  2.. One 400 ml beaker (Figure 2)
  3.. One magnetic stirrer 
  4.. Balancer with 0,05g acc.
  5.. One 50 ml  narrowed neck E-flask 

Chemicals for the analysis

1. Water free methanol, min 225 g
2. FAME with water content less than  500 ppm, clear, bright and without 
visible impurities, min 25 g

Take the clean beaker and put exactly 225 g of methanol in it. Then add exactly 
25g of the biodiesel. Stir the fluids on the stirrer for 2 minutes. Take the 
beaker off the stirrer ans pour the content into the separation funnel.Take the 
clean e-flask to the balancer and tarate with the flask. Let any oil phase 
separate out from the biodiesel/methanol phase and put it in the  e-flask. 
Weigh the content and calculate the result:

1 -  m1/m2 = m3
where m1 is the mass of the biodiesel
m2 is the amount of methanol
m3 is how much of the biodiesel put in that is consisting from methyl esters.
The method will show huch much of the material by mass that is soluble in 
methanol. This includes mostl mono- and diglycerides. The residue consists 
therefore mostly from unreacted oil.

With best
Jan Warnqvist
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Street 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations


  Hi Ray;

  Sorry for the delay.  Try this forum for more information on Delicas.

  http://delica.ca/forum/index.php

  Joe

  raymond greeley wrote:

I would like to see this van, what did you send it in. I have not been able 
to open
ray




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  Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:02 -0400
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

  Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported one with low 
miles from Japan.  He loves it.

  Joe

  Luke Kareklas wrote:

Hello All, 

I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler, 
Magician, and Balloon Guy.

I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if this 
is a helpful bit of information. 

Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and it's come 
time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative fuels for 
years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle. 

I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you 
recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or biodiesel 
system for me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton van, not really a 
minivan type of vehicle. 

Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will help 
ground me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I have to go buy a 
diesel vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, or Biodiesel fueling, 
right? 
Thank you very much. 

Luke

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Luke the Juggler
614-764-8010
www.LuketheJuggler.com


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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

2007-05-29 Thread Joe Street

Hey Fred;

My friend in B.C. just got one and all he had to do was change the 
headlights to meed Canadian standards.  He said he knows someone who is 
looking for a person to become an eastern dealer/representative for 
these imports and there is a maintenance/repair business that would go 
along with the deal but they need someone who has the ability to front 
the cash for some stock in parts which ruled me out. Sounds like a good 
idea though and could play hand in hand with anyone doing larger scale 
BD.  If you are serious call me at home and I'll put you in touch with 
the right people.


Joe

Fred Oliff wrote:


Joe et al,

 

How easy/difficult is it to import some of these diesel vans into 
Canada?  After that, how easy/difficult to import into the US.  Could 
someone make a business of it?  Will it be made any easier next year 
when the floodgates open for diesels?


 


Fred


From: /Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Reply-To: /biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
To: /biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Subject: /Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations/
Date: /Tue, 29 May 2007 12:22:40 -0400/

Hi Ray;

Sorry for the delay.  Try this forum for more information on Delicas.

http://delica.ca/forum/index.php

Joe

raymond greeley wrote:

I would like to see this van, what did you send it in. I have
not been able to open
ray




Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:02 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van
Recommendations

Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just
imported one with low miles from Japan.  He loves it.

Joe

Luke Kareklas wrote:

Hello All, 


I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a
Juggler, Magician, and Balloon Guy.

I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during
the year, if this is a helpful bit of information. 
 
Lately my entertainment business has gotten really

busy and it's come time for me to buy a larger
vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative fuels for
years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle.

I would like recommendations on what type of deisel
van would you recommend that would most easily
transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or biodiesel system for
me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton van,
not really a minivan type of vehicle.

Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your
thoughts will help ground me and get me pointed in the
right direction. I guess I have to go buy a diesel
vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, or
Biodiesel fueling, right?
Thank you very much.

Luke
 
Luke Kareklas

*Luke the Juggler*
*614-764-8010*
www.LuketheJuggler.com http://www.lukethejuggler.com/



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Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)

2007-05-29 Thread Joe Street

Hey Jan;

Let me take the chance to thank you again for your contributions.  Also 
I'd like to let you know how WE have evolved your idea.  Me and this 
other dude in town ( who might be lurking herelol  - it was his idea 
actually) have taken to doing some kind of variation on your idea which 
helps us in the middle of the process.  I know you are talking about 
testing clean, washed and dried fuel, but check this out;  We take a 
sample ( I have a small test tube so I use 3 ml of fuel and 27 ml meoh) 
after the reaction but before washing.  I know this contains catalyst, 
soap, water and whatever BUT when I stir it up, any unreacted oil 
settles out very quickly and gives me a gauge of how close I came to a 
complete reaction.  I can even measure the percentage of unreacted oil 
and use this to determine how much catalyst and methanol to hit the 
reactor with in order to complete the reaction. The unreacted stuff is 
treated as neutral oil when determining catalyst and methanol amounts ( 
ie 12% meoh v/v and 4.9 g/l koh)  If I am good and the reaction was very 
complete the first time, then only a little white powder 
(soap/catalyst?) settles in the bottom and the rest is clear and 
bright.  This is more useful than a pop bottle wash test IMHO.


best regards
Joe

Jan Warnqvist wrote:

Dear all. I am very flattered that my methanol method had so much 
attention. Here is a development of the method:


Equipment needed for the analysis

   1. One 250 ml separatory funnel
   2. One 400 ml beaker (Figure 2)
   3. One magnetic stirrer
   4. Balancer with 0,05g acc.
  5.
  One 50 ml  narrowed neck E-flask
   


Chemicals for the analysis

1. Water free methanol, min 225 g
2. FAME with water content less than  500 ppm, clear, bright and 
without visible impurities, min 25 g
 
Take the clean beaker and put exactly 225 g of methanol in it. Then 
add exactly 25g of the biodiesel. Stir the fluids on the stirrer for 2 
minutes. Take the beaker off the stirrer ans pour the content into the 
separation funnel.Take the clean e-flask to the balancer and tarate 
with the flask. Let any oil phase separate out from the 
biodiesel/methanol phase and put it in the  e-flask. Weigh the content 
and calculate the result:
 
1 -  m1/m2 = m3

where m1 is the mass of the biodiesel
m2 is the amount of methanol
m3 is how much of the biodiesel put in that is consisting from methyl 
esters.
The method will show huch much of the material by mass that is soluble 
in methanol. This includes mostl mono- and diglycerides. The residue 
consists therefore mostly from unreacted oil.
 
With best

Jan Warnqvist

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*From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:22 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

Hi Ray;

Sorry for the delay.  Try this forum for more information on Delicas.

http://delica.ca/forum/index.php

Joe

raymond greeley wrote:


I would like to see this van, what did you send it in. I have not
been able to open
ray



Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:02 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported
one with low miles from Japan.  He loves it.

Joe

Luke Kareklas wrote:

Hello All, 


I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a
Juggler, Magician, and Balloon Guy.

I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the
year, if this is a helpful bit of information. 
 
Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy

and it's come time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have
been a fan of alternative fuels for years, but never
pursued a diesel vehicle.

I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van
would you recommend that would most easily transfer over
to a SVO, WVO, or biodiesel system for me to drive? I am
looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton van, not really a minivan
type of vehicle.

Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your
thoughts will help ground me and get me pointed in the
right direction. I guess I have to go buy a diesel
vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, or Biodiesel
fueling, right?
Thank you very much.

Luke
 
Luke Kareklas

*Luke the Juggler*
*614-764-8010*
www.LuketheJuggler.com http://www.lukethejuggler.com/


Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

2007-05-29 Thread Kirk McLoren
I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
  The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people prefer bottled 
beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
  I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to cause 
fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant women and children not 
to drink the water.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP   
Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there was a reason. 
Despite taking care to drink only bottled water, Lester didn't know that much 
more of the pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin from bathing 
and washing clothes. 

Poor Lester.

Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants is known to occur via 
dermal absorption, no studies have ever been done to determine the toxicity of 
pollution scrubber liquor  the fluoride used in water fluoridation schemes. 


Now I have heard this several times over the last little while with regard to 
chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make sense to me that my body would adsorb 
more chlorine (or flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact 
than by drinking it.  When I drink water the entire amount goes inside and has 
to be processed before any of it comes out again.  The internal linings have 
evolved to be highly adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the 
skin.  I'd like to see the proof about this claim.

Joe
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Re: [Biofuel] And other forestry related stuff

2007-05-29 Thread Chip Mefford
A fascinating lecture by Dr Jerry Franklin on 'Preparing Resource
Professionals for an Uncertain Future'.

a podcast, downloadable;

(the right way)

http://podcast.rbn.com/cspan/cspan/download/podaudio/belt052007_oldgrowth.mp3

I like Dr Frankin a lot. I does occasionally occur to me that not
everyone is a forester :)

I'm not either, but she is, so I tend to leave and breath
this stuff. For those of you who are not foresters,
you'll really like this. For those of you who are, you
may already know a lot of it, but it's nice to have
it condensed this way. For those of you who
think you know all of it, use this to check your facts.

This was part of the Starker Lecture series from
last month.


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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

2007-05-29 Thread Joe Street
Huh?  The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides for 
them?  Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued for damages 
I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion of trusting 
officials we elect to represent our interests.  Your explanation makes 
sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption.  Yes there's a lot of water 
going by and the heat helps liberate the disolved gas.


Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people prefer 
bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to cause 
fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant women and 
children not to drink the water.
 
Kirk


*/Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP



Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there
was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only bottled
water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the
pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin from
bathing and washing clothes.
*
Poor Lester.

*Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants is
known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have ever
been done to determine the toxicity of pollution scrubber
liquor  the fluoride used in water fluoridation schemes.
*



Now I have heard this several times over the last little while
with regard to chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make sense to me
that my body would adsorb more chlorine (or flourine or any other
toxin) from water through skin contact than by drinking it.  When
I drink water the entire amount goes inside and has to be
processed before any of it comes out again.  The internal linings
have evolved to be highly adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is
moreso than the skin.  I'd like to see the proof about this claim.

Joe
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

2007-05-29 Thread Kirk McLoren
LOL
  yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the EPA.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Huh?  The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides for them?  
Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued for damages I wonder. That 
makes about as much sense as the notion of trusting officials we elect to 
represent our interests.  Your explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin 
adsorption.  Yes there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate 
the disolved gas.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
  The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people prefer bottled 
beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
  I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to cause 
fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant women and children not 
to drink the water.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP   
Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there was a reason. 
Despite taking care to drink only bottled water, Lester didn't know that much 
more of the pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin from bathing 
and washing clothes. 

Poor Lester.

Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants is known to occur via 
dermal absorption, no studies have ever been done to determine the toxicity of 
pollution scrubber liquor  the fluoride used in water fluoridation schemes. 


Now I have heard this several times over the last little while with regard to 
chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make sense to me that my body would adsorb 
more chlorine (or flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact 
than by drinking it.  When I drink water the entire amount goes inside and has 
to be processed before any of it comes out again.  The internal linings have 
evolved to be highly adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the 
skin.  I'd like to see the proof about this claim.

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[Biofuel] The new rules of imperialism: Economic warfare, consumer products and disease exports

2007-05-29 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://www.newstarget.com/021873.html
   
  The new rules of imperialism: Economic warfare, consumer products and disease 
exports
   
   
  History tells us that imperialist nations quite predictably invade weaker 
nations on a regular basis... especially when those weaker nations happen to be 
standing on valuable natural resources like oil or uranium. Thanks to this 
desire for strategic control over territories, the twentieth century was the 
bloodiest in human history, with more people being lost to war, greed and 
conquest than during any single century in recorded history (including the 
centuries spanning Greek and Roman civilizations).

War remains as supported as ever today, and in fact, many nations actually 
thirst for war. Just look at the pro-war coverage on Fox News and the unending 
war games being played on computers and game consoles by young men who find 
entertainment in war. (In fact, the U.S. Army is actually recruiting young men 
now through a free, downloadable video game that teaches young boys how to pick 
up a rifle and kill people with it.)


  Why some nations create war  The people of some nations actually create war 
(or support it) in their quest to express a sense of nationalistic heroism. 
Failing nations need heroes, and when those heroes are no longer found in the 
realms of science, art, politics or global achievement, they will be fabricated 
from the false victories of war.

The tearful American mom whose son dies in Iraq is, indeed, suffering a 
tremendous personal loss, but her loss is a necessary part of feeding the 
population's desire to proclaim there are heroes among them. Through the 
sacrificing of young men who are killed in Iraq, the people of America can find 
common connection, righteousness, and purpose where none existed before. War 
gives meaning to empty lives, and it delivers a masochistic form of 
entertainment to those who are too young, too old or too wealthy to 
participate. This is precisely why, throughout human history, the leaders of 
failing nations have habitually turned to military imperialism as a method to 
distract the people from far more serious problems at home. When the sons of a 
nation are returning home in body bags, nobody pays much attention to failures 
in education or the economy.

This is not to say that there are not some instances in which going to war has 
genuine justification. When a nation is threatened by an invading force, for 
example, going to war to defend your own land against invading aggressors is 
not only necessary, it is also truly heroic. Defending your own land is 
courageous; invading your neighbor's land is cowardly. (Some people claim, by 
the way, that the only way to protect America's land is to invade other 
countries first. This concept, called preemptive war is based on mass 
distortions used to falsely justify actions of war.)

In America today, the thirst for war remains as strong as ever. But the real 
war being waged on the world right now by America is not merely found in the 
limited military action in the Middle East. That's only the blunt instrument of 
this war. The real American invasion is happening through foods, medicines, 
personal care products, international banking and intellectual property law. 
Through the proliferation of fast food restaurants, pharmaceutical companies, 
chemically-contaminated consumer products and similar items invented in 
America, the world is being bombarded by systems of food, medicine and 
distorted intellectual property claims that are producing far more casualties 
than any bombs-and-bullets war.


  How to control a nation  In World War II, the Germans attempted to steal 
natural resources from neighboring nations by forcefully occupying and 
controlling the targeted territories. Today, war is far more sophisticated: 
America steals national resources by patenting seeds, genes, medicines and 
ideas, then applying economic and political pressure against targeted nations 
to forcefully take a cut of their productivity through the application of 
intellectual property law. Only Thailand has offered any sort of resistance in 
an attempt to protect its people from the predatory, monopolistic drug pricing 
of Big Pharma, for example, but most countries just go right along and pay 
tribute to the western world through outrageous patent royalties on medicines 
that should belong to the people.

If that's not enough to dominate the targeted nation's economy, America sends 
in the World Bank. The World Bank makes predatory loans to desperate nations, 
knowing full well they cannot pay them back. It then uses the leverage of debt 
to invade those nations with western financial institutions. Those banks and 
lending institutions subsequently turn around and engage in predatory financial 
practices that soak the people of the target nation, skimming off productivity 
and exporting it back to the West where rich white men cash in billions without 
a single honest 

[Biofuel] Should we celebrate, or tighten our belts?

2007-05-29 Thread Kirk McLoren
for those that believe full employment propaganda by the gvt please digest the 
following
  Kirk

  

  Guest Commentary, by Richard Benson
  

  How the Government Creates Jobs
  May 29, 2007
  

  Richard Benson is president of Specialty Finance Group, LLC , offering 
diversified investment banking services. 
  Our elected officials and Wall Street executives all have a vested interest 
in keeping the perception of a robust economy alive.  The employment data 
announced each month is critical to this perception, but a thorough analysis of 
the data suggests something quite different that wheat we are told.  
   
  Since 9/11, 60 percent of job creation has related almost directly to the 
housing boom and consumer spending, generated from home equity extraction 
through mortgage refinance.  Remember, the Federal Reserve cut interest rates 
to one percent and kicked off the greatest housing bubble of all time.  The 
housing boom created an America with over 1,200,000 real estate agents, and 
hundreds of thousands of jobs in the mortgage and home construction industry.
   
  On the surface, the job market looks sound and Wall Street bulls take every 
opportunity to reinforce this belief whenever low initial unemployment claims 
are announced.  But common sense tells me there is something brewing below the 
surface and this housing bust will have an even bigger impact on our economy, 
than previously suggested, by reducing employment and consumer spending, in a 
big way.   
   
  (The officially reported governmental statistics fail to note that a very 
high percentage of new jobs created in the past few years were commission-only 
jobs, or jobs with independent contractor status. Workers categorized as 
independent contractors are not eligible for unemployment benefits. This means 
all of the real estate agents who haven’t made a sale, along with the 
mortgage bankers who no longer have a company to bring their loans to, will not 
be filing for unemployment, even though they haven’t made a dime. The 
Department of Labor Statistics, however, continues to view these unemployed and 
vastly under-employed workers as holding full- time jobs.)
   
  The latest employment data from the payroll survey showed it added 88,000 
workers.  However, the household survey – a broader measure – showed a loss 
of almost 500,000 jobs.  According to the household survey, over 360,000 
workers simply dropped out of the labor force in April.   So, if you want to 
believe the Wall Street touts, please go right ahead and put your rose-colored 
glasses back on and tune into that movie with the happy Hollywood ending.  If, 
on the other hand, you think like me and believe there is an economic storm 
brewing, please read on. 
   
  Our government “prints up jobs out of thin air” the same way the Federal 
Reserve prints up money.  To manufacture jobs, The Bureau of Labor Statistics 
uses their very own Net Birth/Death computer model (see CES Net Birth/Death 
Model for job creation at www.bls.gov). The idea behind the model is simple:  
Because small firms are always failing and starting up and it takes a few 
months for them to report on the payroll survey, an estimate is needed for the 
new jobs created.  So, back when the economy was recovering, the Net 
Birth/Death Computer Model added jobs that had very likely been created.  Their 
methodology goes like this: 
   
  ■  The Net Birth/Death model first creates jobs on a non-seasonally 
adjusted basis;
   
  ■  The computer-generated jobs are then added to the jobs actually 
reported by the payroll survey for the month;
   
  ■  The new total is then seasonally adjusted which creates the 
reported monthly unemployment number announced to the public.  It’s only much 
later that ongoing payroll surveys confirm or rebut the estimated job creation. 
   
  I realize the above may sound confusing, but it’s actually meant to.  This 
is economic propaganda created by our very own government!  This false creation 
of jobs is not that much different from the over-stated earnings created by the 
executives at Enron that brought the company down.
   
  You may now be wondering how many jobs in 2007 have simply been made up and 
reported by the computer model so far?   Well, in February there were 118,000 
jobs added; in March, there were 128,000; and in April, 317,000.  That amounts 
to 563,000 in the last three months.  Without the computer, the payroll survey 
would have shown a loss of jobs over the last three months.   
   
  Let’s take a look at the data for April to get a better idea (see Chart 
below):
   
   
  Category
Number of  April Jobs Created by Computer
  Mining
2,000
  Construction
49,000
  Manufacturing
3,000
  Trade and Transport
30,000
  Information
7,000
  Financial Services
26,000
  Professional Business Services
   

Re: [Biofuel] The new rules of imperialism: Economic warfare, consumer products and disease exports

2007-05-29 Thread Fred Oliff

prety dire stuff Kirk, but will it be missed? The last days of America as we know it. is there any real possibility of it becoming reborn as something resembling anything other than a shadow of itself?




From:Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:[Biofuel] The new rules of imperialism: Economic warfare,consumer products and disease exportsDate:Tue, 29 May 2007 15:07:11 -0700 (PDT)

http://www.newstarget.com/021873.html

The new rules of imperialism: Economic warfare, consumer products and disease exports


History tells us that imperialist nations quite predictably invade weaker nations on a regular basis... especially when those weaker nations happen to be standing on valuable natural resources like oil or uranium. Thanks to this desire for strategic control over territories, the twentieth century was the bloodiest in human history, with more people being lost to war, greed and conquest than during any single century in recorded history (including the centuries spanning Greek and Roman civilizations).War remains as supported as ever today, and in fact, many nations actually thirst for war. Just look at the pro-war coverage on Fox News and the unending war games being played on computers and game consoles by young men who find entertainment in war. (In fact, the U.S. Army is actually recruiting young men now through a free, downloadable video game that teaches young boys how to pick up a rifle and kill people with it.)

Why some nations create war
The people of some nations actually create war (or support it) in their quest to express a sense of nationalistic heroism. Failing nations need heroes, and when those heroes are no longer found in the realms of science, art, politics or global achievement, they will be fabricated from the false victories of war.The tearful American mom whose son dies in Iraq is, indeed, suffering a tremendous personal loss, but her loss is a necessary part of feeding the population's desire to proclaim there are heroes among them. Through the sacrificing of young men who are killed in Iraq, the people of America can find common connection, righteousness, and purpose where none existed before. War gives meaning to empty lives, and it delivers a masochistic form of entertainment to those who are too young, too old or too wealthy to participate. This is precisely why, throughout human 
history, the leaders of failing nations have habitually turned to military imperialism as a method to distract the people from far more serious problems at home. When the sons of a nation are returning home in body bags, nobody pays much attention to failures in education or the economy.This is not to say that there are not some instances in which going to war has genuine justification. When a nation is threatened by an invading force, for example, going to war to defend your own land against invading aggressors is not only necessary, it is also truly heroic. Defending your own land is courageous; invading your neighbor's land is cowardly. (Some people claim, by the way, that the only way to protect America's land is to invade other countries first. This concept, called "preemptive war" is based
on mass distortions used to falsely justify actions of war.)In America today, the thirst for war remains as strong as ever. But the real war being waged on the world right now by America is not merely found in the limited military action in the Middle East. That's only the blunt instrument of this war. The real American invasion is happening through foods, medicines, personal care products, international banking and intellectual property law. Through the proliferation of fast food restaurants, pharmaceutical companies, chemically-contaminated consumer products and similar items invented in America, the world is being bombarded by systems of food, medicine and distorted intellectual property claims that are producing far more casualties than any bombs-and-bullets war.

How to control a nation
In World War II, the Germans attempted to steal natural resources from neighboring nations by forcefully occupying and controlling the targeted territories. Today, war is far more sophisticated: America steals national resources by patenting seeds, genes, medicines and ideas, then applying economic and political pressure against targeted nations to forcefully take a cut of their productivity through the application of intellectual property law. Only Thailand has offered any sort of resistance in an attempt to protect its people from the predatory, monopolistic drug pricing of Big Pharma, for example, but most countries just go right along and pay tribute to the western world through outrageous patent royalties on medicines that should belong to the people.If that's not enough to dominate the targeted nation's economy, America sends in the World Bank. The World 
Bank makes predatory loans to desperate nations, knowing full well they cannot pay 

Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)

2007-05-29 Thread Roderick Roth
Hey there  Jan 
   
   I as well would like to thank you for the meth test . Its been a great help 
for processing larger batches ( especially when learning the correct process 
and temp etc) 
   
  - lurking  LOL 

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Jan;

Let me take the chance to thank you again for your contributions.  Also I'd 
like to let you know how WE have evolved your idea.  Me and this other dude in 
town ( who might be lurking herelol  - it was his idea actually) have taken 
to doing some kind of variation on your idea which helps us in the middle of 
the process.  I know you are talking about testing clean, washed and dried 
fuel, but check this out;  We take a sample ( I have a small test tube so I use 
3 ml of fuel and 27 ml meoh) after the reaction but before washing.  I know 
this contains catalyst, soap, water and whatever BUT when I stir it up, any 
unreacted oil settles out very quickly and gives me a gauge of how close I came 
to a complete reaction.  I can even measure the percentage of unreacted oil and 
use this to determine how much catalyst and methanol to hit the reactor with in 
order to complete the reaction. The unreacted stuff is treated as neutral oil 
when determining catalyst and methanol amounts ( ie
 12% meoh v/v and 4.9 g/l koh)  If I am good and the reaction was very complete 
the first time, then only a little white powder (soap/catalyst?) settles in the 
bottom and the rest is clear and bright.  This is more useful than a pop bottle 
wash test IMHO.

best regards
Joe

Jan Warnqvist wrote:
  Dear all. I am very flattered that my methanol method had so much 
attention. Here is a development of the method:
  Equipment needed for the analysis

   One 250 ml separatory funnel   
   One 400 ml beaker (Figure 2)  
   One magnetic stirrer   
   Balancer with 0,05g acc.  
 One 50 ml  narrowed neck E-flask 
   

  Chemicals for the analysis
  1. Water free methanol, min 225 g
  2. FAME with water content less than  500 ppm, clear, bright and without 
visible impurities, min 25 g
   
  Take the clean beaker and put exactly 225 g of methanol in it. Then add 
exactly 25g of the biodiesel. Stir the fluids on the stirrer for 2 minutes. 
Take the beaker off the stirrer ans pour the content into the separation 
funnel.Take the clean e-flask to the balancer and tarate with the flask. Let 
any oil phase separate out from the biodiesel/methanol phase and put it in the  
e-flask. Weigh the content and calculate the result:
   
  1 -  m1/m2 = m3
  where m1 is the mass of the biodiesel
  m2 is the amount of methanol
  m3 is how much of the biodiesel put in that is consisting from methyl esters.
  The method will show huch much of the material by mass that is soluble in 
methanol. This includes mostl mono- and diglycerides. The residue consists 
therefore mostly from unreacted oil.
   
  With best
  Jan Warnqvist
- Original Message - 
  From: Joe Street 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations
  

Hi Ray;

Sorry for the delay.  Try this forum for more information on Delicas.

http://delica.ca/forum/index.php

Joe

raymond greeley wrote:
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I would like to see this van, what did you send it in. I have not been able 
to open
ray



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  Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:02 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

  Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported one with low 
miles from Japan.  He loves it.

Joe

Luke Kareklas wrote:
  .ExternalClass DIV  {;}Hello All, 

I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler, Magician, and 
Balloon Guy.

I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if this is a 
helpful bit of information. 
   
  Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and it's come time 
for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative fuels for 
years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle. 
  
I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you recommend 
that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or biodiesel system for me 
to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton van, not really a minivan type of 
vehicle. 

Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will help ground 
me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I have to go buy a diesel 
vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, or Biodiesel fueling, right? 
Thank you very much. 

Luke
   
  Luke Kareklas
Luke the Juggler
614-764-8010
www.LuketheJuggler.com




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