Re: [Biofuel] was tree power? and...
Hey Bob, Yes that's what it sounds like...using a tree instead of potatos. Although perhaps there is something else at play here as well. I would like to do some experimenting myself but it will have to wait until spring. I'm wondering if you can have multiple taps on the same tree to increase power? Is there a difference in output when the sap starts running again in the spring ;), output amlification/doubler circuitselectrode metals that won't harm tree, .can you actually get usable, reliable power from trees?, etc etc:) Are they really using the tree as a battery in the conventional sense, ie + and - electrodes of disimilar metals and electrolyte (tree) and then amplifying that power to something usable. Or, are they also tapping into something else as well, say the micro volt, circulatory system of the tree. Or, the tree also acts as antennae and collect RF or other transmissions from the atmosphere. Many other questions as well. While maybe a little far reaching, thinking about some of these points makes it much more intrigueing than the typical potato battery regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] tree power? and other stuff Sent: 21 Dec '05 19:41 ah yes, they have reinvented the potato clock... Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This could be neat. These people have supposedly tapped usable power from a tree. It is not all that out of the ordinary to detect small voltages and milliamps from a tree. I did the nail in the bark and the copper tube in the ground set up years ago when I was a child. I didn't have an digital meter at the time (They were over $450 at the time, way to expensive for a 13 year old kid) but I was able to measure between .4 -.7 of one volt and from 50-80 milliamps,from various trees. I just chalked it up weak galvanic reactions at the time and set the experiments aside. It is not too difficult to boost small amounts of juice enough to charge a small battery using capacitors and diodes , so in reference to this article, it may be time to revisit this idea of obtaining usable power from trees. It is after all, a press release, so take some of the Hyperbole with a few grains of salt but the experiments do deserve some further consideration and are an interesting area of experimentation why would any rational person, for motives other than scamming, want to pursue this. The energy has nothing to do with trees and everything to do with the redox potentials of copper and aluminum. You can do the same thing with salt water. regards tallex http://www.automotive.com/features/90/auto-news/17333/index.html MagCap Engineering, LLC Announces 'Free' Unlimited Energy Source Developed That Draws Power from the Environment CANTON, Mass., Dec. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- An alternative electric power generating system that draws energy from a seemingly unlikely yet abundant, eminently renewable and virtually free power source has been submitted for patenting by MagCap Engineering, LLC, Canton, Mass., in collaboration with Gordon W. Wadle, an inventor from Thomson, Ill. Wadle has invented a way to capture the energy generated by a living non- animal organism -- such as a tree. Chris Lagadinos, president of MagCap, developed circuitry that converts this natural energy source into useable DC power capable of sustaining a continuous current to charge and maintain a battery at full charge. As unbelievable as it sounds, we've been able to demonstrate the feasibility of generating electricity in this manner, said Wadle. While the development is in its infancy, it has the potential to provide an unlimited supply of constant, clean energy without relying on fossil fuels, a power generating plant complex or an elaborate transmission network. The developers now intend to establish a collaborative agreement with a company, academic institution or potential investors who can help finance the additional research and development necessary to take the invention to the next level -- a practical, commercially viable power generating system. Wadle likened the invention to the Discovery of electricity over 200 years ago when charged particles were harnessed to create an electric current. Now we've learned that there is an immense, inexhaustible source of energy literally all around us that can be harnessed and converted into usable electric power, he said. Ultimately, it should prove to be more practical than solar energy or wind power, and certainly more affordable than fuel cells, he added. Wadle said he got the original idea of harnessing a tree for electrical energy from studying lightening, more than 50 percent of which originates from the ground. This prompted him to develop the theories resulting in a method
[Biofuel] tree power? and other stuff
Hi all, This could be neat. These people have supposedly tapped usable power from a tree. It is not all that out of the ordinary to detect small voltages and milliamps from a tree. I did the nail in the bark and the copper tube in the ground set up years ago when I was a child. I didn't have an digital meter at the time (They were over $450 at the time, way to expensive for a 13 year old kid) but I was able to measure between .4 -.7 of one volt and from 50-80 milliamps,from various trees. I just chalked it up weak galvanic reactions at the time and set the experiments aside. It is not too difficult to boost small amounts of juice enough to charge a small battery using capacitors and diodes , so in reference to this article, it may be time to revisit this idea of obtaining usable power from trees. It is after all, a press release, so take some of the Hyperbole with a few grains of salt but the experiments do deserve some further consideration and are an interesting area of experimentation regards tallex http://www.automotive.com/features/90/auto-news/17333/index.html MagCap Engineering, LLC Announces 'Free' Unlimited Energy Source Developed That Draws Power from the Environment CANTON, Mass., Dec. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- An alternative electric power generating system that draws energy from a seemingly unlikely yet abundant, eminently renewable and virtually free power source has been submitted for patenting by MagCap Engineering, LLC, Canton, Mass., in collaboration with Gordon W. Wadle, an inventor from Thomson, Ill. Wadle has invented a way to capture the energy generated by a living non- animal organism -- such as a tree. Chris Lagadinos, president of MagCap, developed circuitry that converts this natural energy source into useable DC power capable of sustaining a continuous current to charge and maintain a battery at full charge. As unbelievable as it sounds, we've been able to demonstrate the feasibility of generating electricity in this manner, said Wadle. While the development is in its infancy, it has the potential to provide an unlimited supply of constant, clean energy without relying on fossil fuels, a power generating plant complex or an elaborate transmission network. The developers now intend to establish a collaborative agreement with a company, academic institution or potential investors who can help finance the additional research and development necessary to take the invention to the next level -- a practical, commercially viable power generating system. Wadle likened the invention to the Discovery of electricity over 200 years ago when charged particles were harnessed to create an electric current. Now we've learned that there is an immense, inexhaustible source of energy literally all around us that can be harnessed and converted into usable electric power, he said. Ultimately, it should prove to be more practical than solar energy or wind power, and certainly more affordable than fuel cells, he added. Wadle said he got the original idea of harnessing a tree for electrical energy from studying lightening, more than 50 percent of which originates from the ground. This prompted him to develop the theories resulting in a method to access this power source. Lagadinos then designed circuitry that filtered and amplified these energy emanations, creating a useable power source. Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery. In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light. Think of the environment as a battery, in this case, said Lagadinos, with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative. Near term -- within the next six months or so -- and with additional research and development, Lagadinos said the system could be enhanced enough to generate 12 volts and one amp of power, a desirable power level that could be used to power just about anything, he said. It is enough power to charge batteries for any type of vehicle, including hybrids and electric cars, or to use with an AC converter to produce household power, he added. The LED industry is a prime example of a potential user of this power source. Other applications would be to provide power for signs, security lights, street, park and hiking trail lights, surveillance or sensor equipment -- any application that heretofore couldn't be serviced because it lay beyond the hard-wired power grid. Government agencies and the military could find the system especially useful because the power is basically free, unlimited and can be produced in remote locations. MagCap is now seeking to establish a collaborative relationship with a third party,
[Biofuel] vehicle/people tracking
Wide spread tracking of people, vehicles and products will be everywhere within a few years. RFID chips will soon be embedded in all product packaging. Pet chipping ID becoming popular over the past several years has just been approved for humans. Other tech either being implimented or planned,... biometrics, eye scans, finger print scans and smart cards for ID, national ID cards (with embedded smart chips) EU wants to embed RFID chips in the EURO enabling a record of all cash transactions that currency note goes through. Consumers are photoed hundreds of times daily and growing, once face recognition software becomes wide spread and interfaced with the appropriate or inappropriate databases, there is no limit to the possabilities for intelligence and monitoring of citizens.Add wireless, bluetooth, geo person/vehicle tracking, purchasing habits through smart credit/debit cards and soon RFID paper money and they pretty well know where and what you are up to. At least one appliance co's wants to have RFID sensing technology in their washers and dryers that would fetch information on washing instructions from an RFID chip embedded in the garment. Many of these technologies are introduced in a consumer friendly way such as geo tracked roadside assistance subscriptions for vehicles, inventory tracking and anti theft systems all use similar tech. Lots of other juice tech coming down the pipeline. Privacy had been eroding for a long time but it's a whole new world out there. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] vehicle tracking - pilot project now federally funded Sent: 08 Dec '05 13:47 We can be tracked by cell phones, closed circuit TV cameras on city streets and soon I suspect, national ID cards under the REAL ID act. It's the legislation behind the technology that concerns me. After all, You don't need advanced technology to track someone. You only need someone with a willingness to watch you and the destruction of any limitations for that person to so (i.e. the USA Patriot Act). Mike _MIKE WEAVER [EMAIL PROTECTED]_ wrote: Most new cars have a chip in them that can report pretty much everything the car does - like a black box flight recorder. Another reason to have an old 300D! Michael Redler wrote: Thanks Kirk. I will distribute as widely as I can! Dubya still has some political capital (as he likes to say). All the work put into creating a culture of fear, leading to disturbing civil rights violations, makes me surprised that the national security card wasn't played. From the story: No restrictions prevent police from continually monitoring, without a court order, the whereabouts of every vehicle on the road. Despite the new spin, it still strangely (or ominously) resembles the USA Patriot Act. Mike */Kirk McLoren /* wrote: ZDNet.com is running a story about a runaway idea of a [0]tracking automobiles via GPS. Not to be confused with the Canadian project geared towards [1]anti-speeding ideas, this one does in fact have the goal of tracking your vehicle. 'The U.S. Department of Transportation has been handing millions of dollars to state governments for GPS-tracking pilot projects designed to track vehicles wherever they go. So far, Washington state and Oregon have received fat federal checks to figure out how to levy these 'mileage-based road user fees.' However, the article goes on to talk about how there is no provision in place to prevent the uncontrolled surveillance of motorists without a court order. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
[Biofuel] biobased plastics - electroactive polymers
Biobased Plastic Flexes Its Muscle Washington - Electroactive polymers--plastics that expand or contract when stimulated by electricity--can now be made from plants rather than petrochemicals, according to Agricultural Research Service (ARS) scientists in Peoria, Ill. There is now significant interest in the possible use of electroactive polymers in many industrial and biomedical applications, from light-emitting diodes and controlled-release devices to artificial muscles and environmental sensors. The material is typically petroleum-based, but ARS researchers Victoria Finkenstadt and J.L. Willett showed that plant polysaccharides like starch can work just as well. Use of the polysaccharides in certain types of conductive polymers could leapfrog some of the pitfalls associated with using petroleum feedstocks, such as U.S. reliance on foreign suppliers, according to Finkenstadt, a chemist, and Willett, a supervisory chemical engineer with ARS' National Center for Agricultural Utilization Research in Peoria. full article http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1133597214.news Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] poison+water=hydrogen
Poison + water = hydrogen. New microbial genome shows how http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=455612 Rockville, Md.--Take a pot of scalding water, remove all the oxygen, mix in a bit of poisonous carbon monoxide, and add a pinch of hydrogen gas. It sounds like a recipe for a witch's brew. It may be, but it is also the preferred environment for a microbe known as Carboxydothermus hydrogenoformans. In a paper published in the November 27th issue of PLoS Genetics, a research team led by scientists at The Institute for Genomic Research (TIGR) report the determination and analysis of the complete genome sequence of this organism. Isolated from a hot spring on the Russian volcanic island of Kunashir, this microbe lives almost entirely on carbon monoxide. While consuming this normally poisonous gas, the microbe mixes it with water, producing hydrogen gas as waste. As the world increasingly considers hydrogen as a potential biofuel, technology could benefit from having the genomes of such microbes. C. hydrogenoformans is one of the fastest-growing microbes that can convert water and carbon monoxide to hydrogen, remarks TIGR evolutionary biologist Jonathan Eisen, senior author of the PLoS Genetics study. So if you're interested in making clean fuels, this microbe makes an excellent starting point. In sequencing the microbe's genome, Eisen and his collaborators discovered why C. hydrogenoformans grows more rapidly on carbon monoxide than other species: The bug boasts at least five different forms of a protein machine, dubbed carbon monoxide deyhydrogenase, that is able to manipulate the poisonous gas. Each form of the machine appears to allow the organism to use carbon monoxide in a different way. Most other organisms that live on carbon monoxide have only one form of this machine. In other words, while other organisms may have the equivalent of a modest mixing bowl to process their supper of carbon monoxide, this species has a veritable food processor, letting it gorge on a hot spring buffet all day. The findings show the continued value of microbial genome sequencing for exploring the useful capabilities of the vast realm of microbial life on Earth, says Ari Patrinos, director of the Office of Biological and Environmental Research, part of the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Science. DOE, which funded the study, is pursuing clean fuel technologies. Little was known about this hydrogen-breathing organism before its genome sequence was determined. By utilizing computational analyses and comparison with the genomes of other organisms, the researchers have discovered several remarkable features. For example, the genome encodes a full suite of genes for making spores, a previously unknown talent of the microbe. Organisms that make spores have attracted great interest recently because this is a process found in the bacterium that causes anthrax. Sporulation allows anthrax to be used as a bioweopon because the spores are resistant to heat, radiation, and other treatments. By comparing this genome to those of other spore-making species, including the anthrax pathogen, Eisen and colleagues identified what may be the minimal biochemica machinery necessary for any microbe to sporulate. Thus studies of this poison eating microbe may help us better understand the biology of the bacterium that causes anthrax. Building off this work, TIGR scientists are leveraging the information from the genome of this organism to study the ecology of microbes living in diverse hot springs, such as those in Yellowstone National Park. They want to know what types of microbes are found in different hot springs--and why. To find out, the researchers are dipping into the hot springs of Yellowstone, Russia, and other far-flung locales, to isolate and decipher the genomes of microbes found there. What we want to have is a field guide for these microbes, like those available for birds and mammals, Eisen says. Right now, we can't even answer simple questions. Do similar hot springs, a world apart, share similar microbes? How do microbes move between hot springs? Our new work will help us find out. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
[Biofuel] glycerine uses..was Disposal of glycerine...
Hello Michael, I don't know what quantities you are going to be dealing with but glycerine has thousands of uses from a food and candy ingredient, soaps, hand and skin lotions, explosives etc. If you can't use all your production, you may want to sell it locally as it really shouldn't be thrown away. The links below may give you some ideas. regards tallex http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html http://www.cleaning101.com/oleo/whygly2.html http://www.acme-hardesty.com/productdetails.cfm?PID=28 http://www.utahbiodiesel.org/biodiesel_links.html http://www.chem.yorku.ca/hall_of_fame/essays96/glycerol.htm ---Original Message--- From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disposal of glycerine... Sent: 27 Nov '05 13:50 Michael, Are you speaking of what settles out of a transesterification? Or are you speaking of the remaining glycerol after performing a free fatty acid recovery on the same soup? Todd Swearingen Hi folks I haven't started my production yet but I recently realized that I wasn't sure what I was going to do about disposing of the left over glycerine. I live on a small plot on the local reservoir and I can't just dump it or compost it .Any suggestions? what are you guy's doing with it? yes i could just put it in the trash but i have to pay for trash removal. Michael Luich Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] disposable solar panels developed using nanotechnology
Disposable solar panels developed using nanotechnology Scientists at the University of Cape Town are exploiting the nano-scale properties of silicon to develop a super-thin disposable solar panel poster which they hope could offer rural dwellers a cheap, alternative source of power. Many people living in remote areas are not linked to the national electricity grid, and use batteries or run their own generators to supply their power needs. The scientists have developed technology for printing specialised inks containing tiny nanoparticles of silicon and other semiconductors onto paper. The solar panels are printed in much the same way as conventional colour images, using three or four separate print runs with black, blue, yellow and magenta ink. They print the metal contacts, then the semiconductor structure, then more contacts. The voltage and power output of the solar cell is determined by the size of the poster. An A2-sized poster will deliver up to 100W of power, enough to charge a cellphone, power a radio or provide five hours of lighting, said Prof David Britton, a physicist specialising in nanotechnology. Many families cannot afford R1000 for a solar panel designed to last 30 years, but they can afford R10 every three to six months for a 'disposable' panel, he said. Shops could stock rolls of solar panel posters, and cut it to meet a customer's needs. The poster could be mounted behind a window or attached to a cabinet. Britton's team has built a successful prototype and is seeking to commercialise the project. http://news.mongabay.com/2005/1121-uct.html Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Hydrogen Injection for Class 8 Trucks
Hi Robert, Thanks a lot for giving us all the details on this device tallex ---Original Message--- From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Supplemental Hydrogen Injection for Class 8 Trucks Sent: 22 Nov '05 01:23 Ok everyone, I went to Hodgson Heavy Duty this afternoon to inquire about the supplemental hydrogen injection unit. Here are the pertinent facts: 1. The unit consists of a single, enclosed cell made of stainless steel. I don't know what they're using for electrode or separator material. 2. Voltage from the truck's charging circuit is stepped down and amperage increased. The actual unit runs about 2 volts, with current densities a little over 60 amps. 3. The cell contains an electric heater at the bottom, which is activated by a sensor ONLY when the truck's engine is running. The unit is designed for freezing weather and will heat up sufficiently for full function within two hours, if it's been frozen solid. Most truckers leave their engines running in cold weather, however, so this apparently isn't much of a problem. 4. H2 and O2 are injected together, at 60 psi on the pressure side of the intake, downstream from the turbo. When the engine is shut off, all gases are purged from the system for safety. 5. The water reservoir must be recharged at about 100 hours of service. Electrolyte is never replenished. 6. The unit is guaranteed to increase fuel economy by at least 10%. Larry Hodgson says that four of his regular customers have the supplemental hydrogen unit installed, and they report gains in power and fuel economy. (He's installed many of these, but not all customers are REGULAR customers.) When the unit has a problem, he says the drivers can tell right away that it isn't working because there's a notable loss of power. 7. One customer, who hauls Super B train loads of wood chips to and from a mill over the Cascades, reports only a 2% fuel economy gain because of the topography of his run. This trucker burns over $12 000 in fuel every month, saving about $250. At that rate of return, the unit will not pay for itself (it runs about $15 000 CDN) before the lease on the truck runs out. Larry Hodgson reports that this guy remains happy with the electrolyzer, however, because the increased power helps him climb the nightmare grades between here and there. 8. Larry Hodgson says the company is reputable and stands behind their product. Now, he's got a VERY busy shop. The Lickman Road interchange, where his truck shop is located, is the third busiest commercial intersection in Canada. There are trucks and trailers lined up to get into Hodgson Heavy Duty, and having worked in that industry myself, I don't think a repair shop owner would risk the reputation of his business on a product that didn't perform as advertised; I know the profit / loss margins are very narrow in the repair business. He was very helpful and talked to me for over twenty minutes. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acetone
Hi Derick, thanks for the update. Anyone else trying acetone? regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone Sent: 20 Nov '05 05:03 I have used the acetone on dino fuel with 2.5 gpm increase I also have tried it on bio and found a net loss of about the same 2.5 gpm but I only tried it one time at 2 oz per 10 gal on both fuels. Derick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:06 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone Hi, Yes I was wondering about the acetone experiments also. As far as I know a few people on 2 or 3 other lists were going to document their experiments. Anybody hear of any updates? tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone Sent: 18 Nov '05 20:47 while we are on this thread, might we wander back a few months to a related issue? That is the claim that addition of small amounts of acetone to both compression and spark ignition engines would result in dramatic increases in fuel efficiency, as much as 35 % increases claimed by some. http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/ Anybody have any well-controlled results to report? robert luis rabello wrote: William Adams wrote: David, Thanks for the correction of air intake. Agreed, it would be good to look at the beast. Can the anecdotes can be believed ? And, is the concept for real? The concept of supplemental hydrogen injection IS a valid one. Whether or not this can be accomplished with any real gains in power and fuel economy using an onboard electrolyzer makes me very skeptical. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone
Hi, Yes I was wondering about the acetone experiments also. As far as I know a few people on 2 or 3 other lists were going to document their experiments. Anybody hear of any updates? tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone Sent: 18 Nov '05 20:47 while we are on this thread, might we wander back a few months to a related issue? That is the claim that addition of small amounts of acetone to both compression and spark ignition engines would result in dramatic increases in fuel efficiency, as much as 35 % increases claimed by some. http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/ Anybody have any well-controlled results to report? robert luis rabello wrote: William Adams wrote: David, Thanks for the correction of air intake. Agreed, it would be good to look at the beast. Can the anecdotes can be believed ? And, is the concept for real? The concept of supplemental hydrogen injection IS a valid one. Whether or not this can be accomplished with any real gains in power and fuel economy using an onboard electrolyzer makes me very skeptical. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_5 Hundreds of semitrailer trucks zipping along North American highways are now powered in part by hydrogen. These 18-wheelers make hydrogen as they go, eliminating the need for high-pressure, cryogenic storage tanks or hydrogen filling stations, which, by the way, don't yet exist. These truckers aren't just do-gooders. They like Canadian Hydrogen Energy's Hydrogen Fuel Injection, or HFI, system because it lets them save fuel, get more horsepower and, as a bonus, cause less pollution. We're saving $700 a month per truck on fuel, said Sherwin Fast, president of Great Plains Trucking in Salinas, Kansas. The company tried the HFI system on four trucks and has ordered 25 more. Drivers like the increased power and noticed there is a lot less black smoke coming out of the stacks, said Fast. HFI is a bolt-on, aftermarket part that injects small amounts of hydrogen into the engine air intake, said Canadian Hydrogen Energy's Steve Gilchrist. Fuel efficiency and horsepower are improved because hydrogen burns faster and hotter than diesel, dramatically boosting combustion efficiency. You get more work from the same amount of fuel, said Gilchrist. This is not a new idea. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology published research on the uses of hydrogen as a combustion-enhancing agent in the early 1970s. But the ability to make hydrogen on the go is novel. The sticking point for hydrogen has always been getting it. Unlike crude oil, natural gas, wind or solar energy, hydrogen doesn't exist freely in nature. It costs $5 a gallon to make hydrogen from natural gas. But the HFI system uses electricity from an engine's alternator to power the electrolysis of water to produce hydrogen as needed from small amounts of distilled water. That's a big advantage and a bit of a novelty, said Venki Raman, an expert on hydrogen-energy applications who started Protium Energy Technologies. HFI's manufacturer guarantees 10 percent fuel savings, which likely won't interest car companies or consumers, Raman said. But a reduction of pollution emissions could spur broader use. Trucks with the HFI system produce half the amount of particulates -- microscopic, unburned bits of diesel. The system also reduces nitrogen-oxide emissions, which are major contributors to harmful air pollution, by up to 14 percent, according to Canada's Environmental Technology Verification Program. The HFI units are relatively small and cost between $4,000 and $14,000, depending on the size of the vehicle. It looks like a good transition technology to hydrogen fuel cells, which are still at least 15 years away from commercialization, said Raman. It will take at least until 2040 before fuel cells begin to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, according to the National Hydrogen Association, Gilchrist pointed out. We vehemently disagree with governments picking the fuel cell as the single path to a cleaner environment, he said. Gilchrist recently argued just this point in meetings with California officials, who are considering buying prototype fuel-cell vehicles that will cost more than $1 million each. That money could buy many HFI systems, which would provide 300 times the air-pollution reductions of one fuel-cell vehicle, he said. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_5 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] was.. 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
Hello, There is tons of credable information on rigged voting machines and other irregularities that (allegedly) happened in the last election and you would have to be dumber than a box of hammers to not think something very fishy went on especially with Diebold and co. The last election was rigged in more ways than one. Perhaps it's time to bring in international observers to supervise the next one. Yeah, that will really happen ;) sarcasm intended. Demanding a verifiable, certified paper trail after voting might be a start. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA Sent: 14 Nov '05 02:51 Yup.ÊÊKnow what's funny.ÊÊThe republicans are doing a far better job of destroying themselves in the past few weeks than the democrats have ever managed to do, and the democrats are STILL having a hard time positioning themselves as the winners in the whole thing. Remember when we (americans) were making jokes about the corruption in Italy's government...ÊÊWell, what do you think WE look like? On 11/13/05, ABC aquaculture [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scary stuff, ÊÊO dear we are in the shitÊÊ! Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bmolloy ÊÊSent: Monday, 14 November 2005 12:30 PM ÊÊTo: Biofuel ÊÊSubject: [Biofuel] 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA Hi All, Anyone with some inside knowledge, is this just an urban legend? Regards, Bob. http://nightweed.com/printableusavotefacts.html 20 Amazing Facts About ÊÊVoting in the USA ÊÊby Angry Girl Nightweed.com Did you know 1.ÊÊ80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:ÊÊDiebold and ESS. http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold 2.ÊÊThere is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html 3.ÊÊThe vice-president of Diebold and the president of ESS are brothers. http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html 4.ÊÊThe chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886 5.ÊÊRepublican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ESS.ÊÊHe became Senator based on votes counted by ESS machines. http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html 6.ÊÊRepublican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ESS by the Senate Ethics Committee. http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=26 http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php 7.ÊÊSenator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates. http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html 8.ÊÊESS is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes. http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html 9.ÊÊDiebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes.ÊÊIn other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html 10.ÊÊDiebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
[Biofuel] Chlorine gas..was Separating Glycerine/FFA
Hello, chlorine gas can be very dangerous and deadly if inhaled in sufficient quantities. You may have made some accidentally by mixing ammonia with bleach or cleaning up cat urine with bleach. It is a yellowish green gas with a pungent, eye searing odour...not good Clean-up underway after 150,000 flee gas leak http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-04/18/content_324262.htm Gas leak kills 3 in Beijing http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-04/22/content_325229.htm Risky Chlorine Gas in Water Treatment http://www.clo2.com/reading/waternews/chlorine.html Dosing units reduce the risk of chlorine-gas leakage http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/eng/features/sewage/?show=64311 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- From: Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA Sent: 31 Oct '05 04:19 - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sodium chloride is table salt.ÊÊChlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think.ÊÊYou can get it from sodium chloride by electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye aparrently, but it's not all that dangerous by itself. Chlorine gas was some of the other materials besides mustard gas that was used in WWI in the chemical artillery shells. if you think it isnt all that bad, try reading some of the medical reports of affected soldiers, or even the scientific studies that developed the ideas behind chemical warfare. chlorine gas is one of the reasons chemical warfare is subject to such a heavy retribution in the international community. if you dont think its dangerous, by all means try it, then lets see how you fare. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] chlorine was Separating Glycerine/FFA
OK Zeke, you corrected yourself. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA Sent: 31 Oct '05 04:50 Ooops.ÊÊI had an indefinite pronoun in my last post, which implied that I thought chlorine gas was not dangerous.ÊÊI meant to say that, unlike chlorine gas, sodium chloride is not dangerous.ÊÊThe last sentence should have readÊÊ You can get chlorine gas from sodium chloride by electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye aparrently, but sodium chloride is not all that dangerous by itself. Zeke On 10/30/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Table salt is NOT the same as chlorine gas.ÊÊ Why do you think it is? On 10/30/05, Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sodium chloride is table salt.ÊÊChlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think.ÊÊYou can get it from sodium chloride by electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye aparrently, but it's not all that dangerous by itself. Chlorine gas was some of the other materials besides mustard gas that was used in WWI in the chemical artillery shells. if you think it isnt all that bad, try reading some of the medical reports of affected soldiers, or even the scientific studies that developed the ideas behind chemical warfare. chlorine gas is one of the reasons chemical warfare is subject to such a heavy retribution in the international community. if you dont think its dangerous, by all means try it, then lets see how you fare. next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] energy harvesters extract power from light, vibrations
Energy harvesters extract power from light, vibrations Harvesting ambient energy from light or vibrational sources can free power-miserly designs from traditional power lines and batteries http://www.edn.com/article/CA6275407.html?industryid=2816 Many systems, such as tiny wireless-networked sensor nodes and low-cost calculators for the consumer market, have severely constrained power sources resulting from remote location, cost considerations, portability requirements, or other factors. In addition, the move toward wireless communications, which obsoletes many system cables, makes designers want to further untether systems from power cords and recharge units using energy harvesters. These small devices convert the freely available energy inherent in most operating environments into conditioned electrical power. The most common energy harvesters are based on small solar cells or electromagnetic devices that convert mechanical vibrations. Energy harvesters also find use in environments that have ready access to power lines, such as factory floors. Roy Freeland, chief executive officer of energy-harvester vendor Perpetuum, points out that initial installation can be a significant portion of system costs for networked machinery monitors. The cost of taking that factory power and wiring it up to the sensor and transmitter accounts for about 80% of the cost of installing condition-monitoring equipment. In contrast, the installation of self-contained power units with magnetic holders involves only walking up to a machine and snapping the unit in place. Batteries also can free a system from a power cord but at the cost of limiting the system's service-free life. After two years of usage, a vibrational energy harvester is a superior source to a lithium battery . If your application's lifetime is 10 years or longer, a vibrational or a solar source is superior to any battery technology. Labor costs can add a prohibitive premium to the system's lifetime-ownership cost, so just changing the battery is not an option. On the downside, systems relying on harvested energy must operate on a bare minimum of power. Wolfgang Heller, PhD, product-line manager for wireless-sensor manufacturer EnOcean, cautions against trying to design a wireless-sensor network separately from the power source. We've had discussions with customers who have their own radio and want to buy just the energy harvester. It always turns out that the radio they have consumes 100 or 1000 times more energy per bit transmitted than our design. It's not feasible to use these tiny energy harvesters with any other radio. EnOcean offers network nodes that can receive power from several types of energy harvesters, including light-switch actuators, linear-motion converters, mechanical vibration, thermal gradients, and the sun. EnOcean's PTM 200 light-switch actuator integrates a relay with a magnet and a coil, so that moving the switch to turn the light on or off changes the flux through the coil, generating a voltage. The switch module wirelessly transmits the on/off command to the room light. This information is useful in a smart building (Reference 2). It also can drastically reduce the wiring labor costs for a building. When the room lights are all under a local wireless network, installing them does not require an electrician. Thermal-gradient-powered devices are candidates for industrial applications in which the production processes produce heat. Thermal-powered harvesters should become commercially available within six months. Off the grid EnOcean also makes solar-powered STM100 network nodes. The modules have a two-section solar cell; one section is larger than the other. The smaller section charges a small capacitor that powers the sensor and RF circuitry during quick-start/wake-up mode. The larger section charges an ultracapacitor that powers the system during periods of darkness. Says Heller, If we had only one solar-cell section, it would take hours to start up because the ultracapacitor needs more time to achieve the necessary voltage level. So, we power the quick-start mode with the smaller part of the solar cell, and then we achieve several days of operation in darkness. EnOcean's solar-powered modules use a polycrystalline solar cell. Polycrystalline cells convert solar energy to electric power at an efficiency of 11 to 16% and are familiar sights on residential and industrial off-the-grid solar-panel systems. Another popular type of solar cell is amorphous silicon, but its efficiency is only 8%, or about half that of polycrystalline. Besides being less efficient, amorphous-silicon cells' conversion efficiency degrades 15 to 35% per year in direct sunlight. Despite these significant drawbacks, amorphous cells are popular because they cost about an order of magnitude less than polycrystalline cells÷a significant advantage in high-volume consumer
[Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method Sent: 27 Oct '05 16:16 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul S Cantrell wrote: The last 2 elections would have probably gone the other way if it were simple majority. I think the concerns over time zones and the like could be worked out and we might have more than 2 twin parties. Personally, I think some simple changes would fix a lot of what is currently borked in the US political system. Debates for instance, pretty much all public debating (meaning televised) is done of, by and for the Twin Partys. This should cease immediately. This much of the system process would be well served by true open debate, including by design third or fringe party candidates. I think this alone would be easy to handle under law. I think it could make a huge difference. I concurr that the electoral college system is also borked, however, the simple majority system is also deeply flawed. Folks try to look at things as if there were red and blue states (because it's the state vote that counts). But it isn't red and blue states, it's urban vs rural. http://brianhayes.com/2005/09/red-blue-rural-urban.html in a popular election, the urbanites would win outright. Policy would be set by those living furthest from the elemental necessities of existance. blah blah blah. The Twin Party system is very much a very real problem. imho, the democrats have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a life that I know little of. The republicans have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a power structure that has no grasp on what the philosophic common man has to face in day to day life, AT ALL. The Libertarians (with a capitol L) have become the party of I've got mine, and whatever I do to keep it is okay, you don't matter, at all. America, the US, is hardly a united states at all. It is a chain (as it's nicely worded in the Urban Archipelago) of islands. I'm just old enough to have spent a few formative years hitchhiking around America, in some ways too many years, in other ways, not enough. But in those days people still hitchhiked, and still met all kinds of folks. Now, no one hitchhikes, but everyone jabbers on cellphones, ignoring the person standing next to them in line. blah blah blah. - -- Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] was...Yahoo tutorial on podcasting
Hi Joe, Podcasting is so easy. It uses xml which is kind of a pared down version of html You need to create a text xml file and have an mp3 file of your program. You also have to have a server somewhere to host it so others can access it. Here is the sample xml file from yahoo. -- ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? rss version=2.0 xmlns:itunes=http://www.itunes.com/DTDs/Podcast-1.0.dtd xmlns:media=http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/; channel title Title of your site /title description A description of your podcast show /description itunes:authorYour Name /itunes:author link http://www.yourserver.com/YourPodcastHomepage/ /link itunes:image href=http://www.yourserver.com/YourPodcastPicture.jpg; / pubdate Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:00:00 PST /pubdate languageen-us/language copyright Copyright Year Your_Name /copyright item title This is just a test /title description A description of your podcast episode /description itunes:author Your Name /itunes:author pubDate Thu, 16 Jun 2005 5:00:00 PST /pubDate enclosure url=http://www.yourserver.com/podcast_file.mp3; length= 3174554 type=audio/mpeg / /item /channel /rss As you add new programs, you need to add another item If the above code does not come through this email, send me a request off list and I will send you a plain text file. Just remember to save it as an xml file ie your_podcast.xml not your_podcast.txt regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yahoo tutorial on podcasting Sent: 26 Oct '05 16:00 Hey Kirk; The instructions on page 3 say replace all the blue text with your owninfo. Trouble is no matter what browser I use, all the text is black! I can make some guesses of course but might easily miss somethingbecause I know squat about HTML coding. Have you published anything yet? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: [LINK: http://podcasts.yahoo.com/publish] http://podcasts.yahoo.com/publish Want to make your own podcasts? Here's how. Kirk Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] nanocrystal solar cells
Abstract: Berkeley Scientists Synthesize Cheap, Easy-to-Make Ultra-thin Photovoltaic Films Sunny Future for Nanocrystal Solar Cells October 20, 2005 Imagine a future in which the rooftops of residential homes and commercial buildings can be laminated with inexpensive, ultra-thin films of nano-sized semiconductors that will efficiently convert sunlight into electrical power and provide virtually all of our electricity needs. This future is a step closer to being realized, thanks to a scientific milestone achieved at the U.S. Department of Energys Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab). Researchers with Berkeley Lab and the University of California, Berkeley, have developed the first ultra-thin solar cells comprised entirely of inorganic nanocrystals and spin-cast from solution. These dual nanocrystal solar cells are as cheap and easy to make as solar cells made from organic polymers and offer the added advantage of being stable in air because they contain no organic materials. Our colloidal inorganic nanocrystals share all of the primary advantages of organics -- scalable and controlled synthesis, an ability to be processed in solution, and a decreased sensitivity to substitutional doping while retaining the broadband absorption and superior transport properties of traditional photovoltaic semiconductors, said Ilan Gur, a researcher in Berkeley Labs Materials Sciences Division and fourth-year graduate student in UC Berkeleys Department of Materials Science and Engineering. Gur is the principal author of a paper appearing in the October 21 issue of the journal Science that announces this new development. He is a doctoral candidate in the research group of Paul Alivisatos, director of Berkeley Labs Materials Sciences Division, and the Chancellor's Professor of Chemistry and Materials Science at UC Berkeley. Alivisatos is a leading authority on nanocrystals and a co-author of the Science paper. Other co-authors are Berkeley Labs Neil A. Fromer and UC Berkeleys Michael Geier. In this paper, the researchers describe a technique whereby rod-shaped nanometer-sized crystals of two semiconductors, cadmium-selenide (CdSe) and cadmium-telluride (CdTe), were synthesized separately and then dissolved in solution and spin-cast onto a conductive glass substrate. The resulting films, which were about 1,000 times thinner than a human hair, displayed efficiencies for converting sunlight to electricity of about 3 percent. This is comparable to the conversion efficiencies of the best organic solar cells, but still substantially lower than conventional silicon solar cell thin films. We obviously still have a long way to go in terms of energy conversion efficiency, said Gur, but our dual nanocrystal solar cells are ultra-thin and solution-processed, which means they retain the cost-reduction potential that has made organic cells so attractive vis-a-vis their conventional semiconductor counterparts. As every consumer in this country is painfully aware, the costs of fossil fuels are rising. From escalating prices at gas pumps, to melting polar ice caps, the message is loud and clear: Alternative energy sources must be found. Solar energy is in many ways an ideal choice. As a source it is plentiful - the sun shines approximately 1,000 watts of energy per square meter of the planet's surface every day - and would last the lifetime of our planet. It would add no pollutants to the atmosphere, contribute nothing to global climate change, and is free. The cost comes in when solar energy is converted to electrical power. Most commercial solar cells today are made from silicon. Like many conventional semiconductors, silicon offers excellent, well-established electronic properties. However, the use of silicon or other conventional semiconductors in photovoltaic devices has to date been limited by the high cost of production -- even the fabrication of the simplest semiconductor cell is a complex process that has to take place under exactly controlled conditions, such as high vacuum and temperatures between 400 and 1,400 degrees Celsius. When it was discovered, back in 1977, that a certain group of conjugated organic polymers could be made to conduct electricity, there was immediate interest in using these materials in photovoltaic devices. While it was shown that plastic solar cells could be made in bulk quantities for a few cents each, the efficiency by which these devices converted light into electricity has always been poor compared to the power conversion efficiencies of cells made from semiconductors. In 2002, Alivisatos and members of his research group announced a breakthrough in which they were able to fashion hybrid solar cells out of organic polymers and CdSe. While these hybrids offer some of the best features of semiconductor and plastic solar cells, they remain sensitive to air because they contain
[Biofuel] efficiency boost for plastic solar cells
Plastic solar cells get efficiency boost Scientists have come up with a low-cost process that improves the performance of polymer-based photovoltaics. Researchers in the US have found a simple way of increasing the efficiency of polymer-based photovoltaics (PVs) that could make harnessing solar energy more cost-effective. Using a slow growth process, a University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) team has fabricated polymer devices with a National Renewable Energy Laboratory, US, certified power-conversion efficiency of 4.4%. The team claims that this figure is the highest published so far for polymer-based solar cells. (Nature Materials AOP) Polymer solar cell The most important step was to realize the effect of film growth rate on device performance, UCLA's Yang Yang told Optics.org. Ordering the polymer chains results in higher absorption [of incident light] without increasing the parasitic series resistance of the device. Sandwiched between a transparent indium tin oxide coated anode and a deposited aluminium cathode, the PV film consists of a spin-coated blended polymer. Yang and his colleagues control the growth rate of the polymer layer, which measures 210-230 nm in thickness, by varying the time it takes for the initially wet film to solidify. The researchers discovered that slow grown films, which take around 20 mins to form under ambient conditions, provide superior charge transport compared with polymers processed more rapidly at higher temperatures. According to the team, slow growth allows the polymer to self-organize, a process that dramatically boosts device efficiency. Simple and cost-effective to produce, polymer-based solar cells are an attractive solution for designers looking for a renewable energy source, especially for large area applications. However, as Yang points out there are still hurdles to overcome. Two of the biggest challenges that remain are device lifetime and efficiency, he explained. To enter large scale commercialization, the device efficiency will have to reach up to 15%, with a lifetime of up to 15-20 years. The team expects to double the efficiency of its devices within a year and is keen to commercialize the technology. Back in the lab, the group is now exploring a range of material systems to enhance carrier mobility and increase absorption in the red region of the solar spectrum. Author James Tyrrell http://www.optics.org/articles/news/11/10/8/1 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] what do you expect..was...Imagine if we could invent.....
rant What do you expect from an oil man puppet. It is pretty sad when he is not even aware that grid-tied solar and net metering have been around for a few years now. On a 'positive' note...at least he sees a positive trend in his imagination. Yes, it is disgusting the energy gluttony that exists in the U.S. compared to the rest of the world and it doesn't have to be that way. Darth Cheney stated a few years ago that energy conservation may be a personal virtue but is not the basis for a sound energy policy. Well, coming from Mr Haliburton, that is no surprise. A white house spokesperson (Ari Fleicher) when asked by a reporter if the president would consider increasing energy efficiency, improved fuel efficiency for vehicles and more sustainable development for America...in light of the fact that the U.S. uses so much energy compared to the rest of the world replied...That's a big no. The president believes that it is the American way (being energy hogs to support Mc mansions, Hummers, SUV's and an out of control unsustainable lifestyle) Nothing has changed with the new energy (pork) bill. No incentives for increased fuel efficiency and gazillions for big oil. Crumbs and lip service for alt. energy and an alledged hydrogen economy based on natural gas cracking and nuclear production of hydrogen that will still be controlled by big corps. The other energy bill package passed last week, doles out even more goodies to the dino dealers. He is basically giving the green light to oil and coal concerns to drill where they want and pollute as much as they need to get more dirty energy...environmental and health concerns be damned. Mean while cutting programs and funding for food stamp programs for the less fortunate, lunch programs for poor school children, health benefits for firemen who have become sick from working at ground zero (911), after school programs for poor childrenthe list goes on and on and on and on. Oh, I forgot.. he also intends to cut geothermal, renewable energy and solar energy programs from the DOE to continue to pay for the war and rebuilding New Orleans. Meanwhile he is adding further cuts to the army core of engineers for wet land reabilitation and flood controls, in addition to the previous cuts that he made a couple of years ago even though he was warned that levys and anti flooding measures needed to be urgently upgraded. The preverbial angry white men better get a grip on reality because it's not a pretty picture for us, our children and future generations. /rant some further reading...pretty scary The Heat Death of American Dreams http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/25351/ regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Imagine if we could invent grid tied PV systems Sent: 14 Oct '05 15:31 Voter turnout is key. Unfourtunately, a large pergentage of thoseturning out are the proverbial angry white male (or person) who wishto preserve the unsustainable status quo. That and the fact that theDemocrats have been in disarray for years doesn't help. I did hear an interesting comment form an older acquiantance, whopointed out that he'd heard all the doom and gloom in the 70's, andthen, it didn't happen. OPEC collapsed and energy prices went down. Alot of people think this is the same. A blip. Even so, that does notaddress the issues of global warming, basic energy inequality, the US, with not even 10% of the globalpoplation consumes at least 25 - 30 % of the oil. Mostly to sustainlife on a scale unimaginable for the rest of the world. I've spent enough time in the 3rd world to know the race is not for abigger car or house, but for water, food, cooking energy and shelter. In rural Africa it is not unusual to spent an hour or 2 just gettingwater, then scrounging an already deforested land for fuel, thencooking an incredibly time-consuming meal. Making Fonio inGuinee/Senegal takes forever. Moreover, here outside of DC where I live, you are a nut if youpractice energy-concious living. Everone in my cul de sac, with theexception of a Puerto Rican family, howl at the use of a wood stove,complain about even storing firewood, and have actually complainedabout my SUV an old Trooper, which I use in my business. I keep itbecause it is about the only 4 cylinder 5sp truck of any size you canget. Now they are all V6-V8 automatics. It's slow, but it gets goodmileage, and can haul a lot. But it is old. I only wish I could finda Diesel model, but they are rare as hen's teeth. I also only drive itto collect WVO, work supplies and to get firewood (hence the 4 wheeldrive. Otherwise I drive a VW Golf, mostly on homebrew. I'm a kook. I can't wait to see what happens when I set up some solar heating and aPV panels! The Civic League will attack! Viva la revolution! Comrade Miguel. Hakan Falk wrote:
[Biofuel] plastic solar cell update
Plastic solar power Group invents cells that could decrease cost of energy, if they last By Natalie Banach DAILY BRUIN SENIOR STAFF [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harnessing the power of the largest celestial object in the universe is not just the stuff of science fiction - it may soon become an efficient way to power everything from cell phones to Las Vegas casinos. Showcasing their work in the most recent issue of Nature Materials, professor of materials science and engineering Yang Yang, postdoctoral researcher Gang Li and graduate student Vishal Shrotriya have created a new type of solar cell that they say may revolutionize the way many think of solar power. In response to the world's growing dependency on natural gas and fossil fuels, solar power is being thought of as an attractive solution due in large part to the fact that the sun is the most abundant source of energy in the universe, Shrotriya said. The idea is enticing enough: Imagine being capable of easily capturing the sun's rays, translating them into power and creating a clean, environmentally-friendly energy source without any harmful by-products. In fact, an area slightly larger than the size of Maryland - 160 miles long by 160 miles wide - completely covered with solar panels could power all of the United States, Li said. Currently, solar power provides less than one percent of the world's energy. But before residents and industries begin installing solar panels onto their homes and businesses, there is at least one forboding obstacle - money. The cost of solar power per kilowatt is at least four times that of coal or natural gas. And while the price of solar cells is slowly decreasing, the solar module itself presents a huge barrier to making the energy source affordable. That is, until Yang and his research group came up with a new type of solar cell made of the same substance as a grocery store's plastic shopping bag. The solar cell is similar to the material used to make those plastic bags, and those things can be very cheap, Li said. For the group's solar cell, Yang uses a special type of flexible polymer found in a variety of everyday plastics and equates the process of making his cell to painting a wall or a house. A polymer, like a little bit of paint, can go a long way to covering a large wall. Yang and his team hope that their polymer material could be easily spread and coated onto a substrate. This coated substrate would generate electricity capable of powering anything that conventional power sources do today. About 90 percent of the current solar cell market is dominated by cell systems made from silicon, which unlike Yang's plastic cells are largely cost-ineffecient. The appearance of silicon is similar to a wafer in that a solar cells need to be put together piece by piece. The process is tedious, and silicon is in high demand for other uses. The most popular use of silicon is to build computer chips. From one piece of silicon you can build a lot of computer chips, but it's not enough to even build one solar cell, Yang said. The high demand for silicon, the long refining process and limited supply all contribute to its high cost, which translates into expensive solar cells which many do not find feasible. Members of the UCLA research group say their plastic solar cells could be a unique solution to the barriers associated with using silicon cells, that is of course, if they can ensure a long lifetime for their product. The average conventional solar cell usually lasts for 20 to 25 years, but the life expectancy for the group's plastic solar cell is decidedly lower. Due to the low lifetime of the UCLA group's plastic solar cells, the technology is now being looked at by industry experts in an attempt to lengthen it. The target for the plastic solar cell's lifespan is 15 to 20 years, and Yang said he hopes to commercialize his cell within three to five years. The goal is necessary, scientists at UCLA say, because as oil and gas prices rise to an all-time high and the United States becomes ever more dependent on these conventional energy sources, an affordable and efficient alternative could solve many problems. We hope that ultimately solar energy can be extensively used in the commercial sector as well as the private sector ... there are such a wide variety of applications, Yang said in a UCLA press release. http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=34416 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/
[Biofuel] oil price gouging poll
H, so in light of this poll, does anyone believe that the oil co's, auto co's and politicos are going to actually do anything about it, besides some feeble, feel good conservation PR?? regards tallex Most Americans say oil companies are price gouging Four out of five Americans would support a tax on the windfall profits of oil companies if the resulting revenues were devoted to alternative energy research, according to an Opinion Research Corp. (ORC) poll conducted for 40mpg.org and the Boston-based nonprofit and nonpartisan Civil Society Institute (CSI). CSI is a think tank and the 40mpg.org campaign is a project of CSI. Other key survey findings include: 87 percent of Americans think that oil companies are gouging gasoline consumers today; 81 percent say the federal government is not doing enough about high energy prices and America's overreliance on Middle Eastern oil; 73 percent believe that recent gasoline price hikes now make it more important that the federal government impose higher fuel-efficiency standards; and four out of five adults say that U.S. automakers should follow the same path as Toyota, which intends that all of its new cars going forward will use fuel-saving hybrid technology. In response to the poll, 40mpg.org has launched an online petition at www.40mpg.org allowing Americans to tell their members of Congress and the White House that they want major steps taken in terms of a windfall profits tax on oil companies and tougher fuel-efficiency standards on vehicles. CSI president Pam Solo said: Americans have seen too much price gouging and too little action from Washington on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and our dangerous reliance on foreign oil. The benefits of making 40 miles per gallon the standard for all autos in the United States are obvious to Americans: consumers save money; we reduce our dangerous reliance on Middle Eastern oil, making us more secure in the world; air pollution is reduced; and we can cut the U.S. contribution to global warming by nearly a third. Greater fuel efficiency makes sense, it is technologically possible, the benefits are real and the challenges can be overcome. Some key highlights of the poll are: + Price gouging. Some 87 percent think big oil companies are currently gouging consumers at the gas pump, with 57 percent saying there is a great deal of such price gouging going on. Fewer than 4 percent say no price gouging is going on. Political affiliation makes almost no difference in how Americans respond to this question with 87 percent of independents, 82 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats saying there is a great deal or some price gouging going on. + Windfall profits tax on oil companies. Seventy-nine percent would support a tax on the windfall profits of oil companies if the resulting revenues were spent on research on alternative energy. Support for targeting windfall profits tax revenues to underwrite alternative energy research was higher than two other listed alternatives: wetlands restoration in Gulf Coast states to minimize the impact of future hurricanes (70 percent); and a direct rebate to each consumer with a driver's license (53 percent). + Federal inaction. Four out of five think the federal government is not doing enough about high energy prices and the U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern energy sources. Political affiliation was somewhat more evident as a factor in the responses to this question, with 83 percent of independents, 74 percent of Republicans and 90 percent of Democrats expressing dissatisfaction with current federal policies + Higher fuel-efficiency standards. Seventy-three percent think that recent gasoline price hikes now make it much more or somewhat more important that the federal government takes new steps to require higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars and other vehicles. + Hybrid technology. Four out of five Americans think that U.S. automakers should follow the same path as Toyota, which has announced that all of its new cars going forward will use fuel-saving hybrid technology. Survey results are based on telephone interviews conducted among a sample of 1,019 adults age 18 and up living in private households in the continental United States. Interviewing was completed by Opinion Research Corp. during the period of Sept. 15-19. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points for the complete sample of 1,019 adults. Smaller sub-groups will have larger error margins. s http://www.fairfieldcbj.com/current_issue/101005frop07.html next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network
Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh
That is hilarious, thanks for the laugh, regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Google laugh Sent: 11 Oct '05 12:40 Greetings, This one gave me a good morning laugh, so I thought I would share. Bright Blessings, Kim Go to google and type in_miserable failure _and hit the I'm feeling lucky button. Itis too funny to where it takes you! [LINK: http://www.google.com/] http://www.google.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [LINK: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel@sustainablelists.org [LINK: http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [LINK: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html] http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): [LINK: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/] http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] rapid prototyping and computer contour crafting
rapid prototyping and computer contour crafting NSF-Supported Researcher Builds The Most Historic Wall Since the Great Wall of China http://www.nsf.gov/eng/engnews/2004/Khoshneviscrafting.jsp A robot developed with NSF support has built the first wall ever constructed entirely by machine, with no use of human hands. Measuring about 5 feet long, 3 feet high, and 6 inches thick, the wall was constructed in January 2004 in the University of Southern California lab of Behrokh Khoshnevis, Professor of Industrial Systems Engineering. Khoshnevis, who calls his creation the most historic wall since the Great Wall of China, believes that by the end of 2005, his robots will be able to construct a one-story, 2,000-square foot home on site in a single day. Professor Khoshnevis and graduate student Dooil Hwang with the robot they developed for automated construction of walls and buildings. Khoshnevis pioneering efforts to automate the building process are based on a technology known as Contour Crafting, a layered fabrication process controlled by computer. The idea came to him while repairing cracks in his Los Angeles home following a 1994 earthquake. After 7 years of research and development, Khoshnevis has created a robot that can build large structures by extruding semi-liquid material from a pump in inch-thick layers to form the outside edges of an object, such as the wall of a building. The robot moves back and forth along a gantry installed at the construction site to deposit each layer of the wall. After the exterior layers have been laid down, the robot returns to pour concrete or other filler material into the hollow wall. In effect, this technology will enable homes and other structures to be printed out from computer design software, much as ink jet printers produce documents from word processing software. One key advantage of using Contour Crafting for automated building is its ability to make structures of virtually any geometry without the costly, time-consuming steps involved in making molds for manual construction of curved surfaces. After a 20,000-year history, the process of constructing buildings is about to be revolutionized, says Khoshnevis. This technology will allow architects, for the first time, to design buildings of any shape and configuration that can be constructed at no more expense than a structure with conventional, right-angled walls. Diagram of construction of conventional building using Contour Crafting. Khoshnevis also points to important environmental advantages associated with automated construction. Since Contour Crafting technology can build in 1 day what now takes 6 to 9 months of manual construction, it will dramatically reduce the need for workers to commute to building sites, thus easing pressure on congested transport systems and cutting transport-related air pollution. The technology produces little or no material waste, potentially reducing construction-related waste by 3 to 7 tons for each single-family house built using automated techniques. Moreover, construction materials can be chosen for their environmental characteristics, such as materials that reduce waste and promote recycling, and Khoshnevis is partnering with Degussa AG, the worlds largest manufacturer and supplier of building materials, to develop the best material for use in automated construction. Contour Crafting technology can also produce very sophisticated walls with highly-insulating designs and materials. This research promises to usher in a new era in construction. Its strong point is the use of new materials and new information technologies to create the next generation of buildings, notes Perumalsamy Balaguru, Program Director for Structural Systems and Engineering, Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems, in NSFs Engineering Directorate. The first commercial-scale applications of automated construction technologies are likely to be for building emergency shelters and low-income housing, followed by general residential construction, especially homes with exotic architecture featuring complex curves and other geometries that are expensive to build using manual methods. Khoshnevis also plans to explore the applicability of Contour Crafting technology for building extraterrestrial habitats. One of the very few feasible approaches for building structures on the Moon or Mars, Contour Crafting technology would have to be adapted to use lava paste created from dust on the lunar or Mars surface as a building material and researchers will have to develop greater understanding of how the technology would perform under partial-gravity conditions. For more information, contact Behrokh Khoshnevis at [EMAIL PROTECTED], (213) 740-4889. Animations of the Contour Crafting process may be viewed at www-rcf.usc.edu/~khoshnev. See also related NSF ENG News articles on layered fabrication processes,
[Biofuel] power from the sunbaked desert
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_37/b3950067_mz018.htm Power From The Sunbaked Desert Solar generators may be a hot source of plentiful electricity Before President George W. Bush signed the federal energy bill into law on Aug. 8, he got a firsthand glimpse of a technology that could transform the deserts of the Southwest. Instead of a sandy wasteland, there would be gleaming farms with thousands of giant dish-shaped mirrors measuring 37 feet in diameter. Each dish would track the sun and focus its heat rays on an oil-barrel-size contraption suspended out in front, harnessing the heat to drive a 25-kilowatt generator. Plant enough of these solar-dish farms, Bush learned on his tour of Sandia National Laboratories' National Solar Thermal Test Facility near Albuquerque, and they could mightily reduce the need for electric power plants that burn fossil fuels and emit carbon dioxide. MOJAVE MEGAWATTS The day after the Presidential tour, Sandia's vision began to look a lot more real. The supplier of the solar-thermal dish generators, Stirling Energy Systems Inc. in Phoenix, won a major commitment from Southern California Edison Inc. (EIX ) (SCE): For 20 years the utility will buy all the electricity that Stirling Energy can generate at a 500-megawatt solar energy farm that Stirling will build in the Mojave Desert near Victorville, Calif. This could be the biggest solar installation in the world -- equal to a typical coal-fired plant. And if local power lines can be upgraded to handle more juice, Stirling could enlarge the facility to 850 MW -- and SCE would take all of that, too. Stirling's deal was made possible by several trends that are pushing alternative energy into the mainstream. As oil has become more expensive, so have natural gas and coal, the primary fuels for power plants. At the same time, concerns about global warming have prompted lawmakers -- local, state, and now the feds -- to unleash incentives for renewable energy. Wind power, solar energy, geothermal, and biomass fuels are all benefiting. If the dishes do well, Stirling Energy's 4,500-acre desert farm will usher in new potential for Stirling engines, invented in 1816 by Church of Scotland minister Robert Stirling. His engine is ideal for green energy because it doesn't burn fuel internally. Instead, its pistons are driven by heating and expanding a reservoir of gas, which then cools for the next cycle. Using the sun's energy to heat the gas means zero fuel is burned. Stirling Energy stands to rake in upwards of $90 million a year once the solar dishes are generating 500 MW in 2011. For SCE, already the largest purchaser of renewable energy in the U.S., the extra 500 MW will more than double the 354 MW of solar power it tapped in 2004 from nine other solar-thermal operations in the Mojave. It will also add almost 20% to SCE's 2,588 MW of renewable energy sources, including 1,021 MW of wind power. Last year more than 18% of the electricity that the utility delivered to its customers came from renewables. Monster dish-shaped heat antennas are hardly familiar icons of green power. People tend to associate solar energy with flat, glassy panels that convert photons from sunlight into electric current. But such photovoltaic cells don't produce power as efficiently as Stirling dish generators. Cells typically convert just 10% to 15% of the sun's light -- and many cells perform at just half that level. In contrast, Stirling dishes achieve almost 30% in Sandia's six-dish system. Later this year we'll do even better, declares D. Bruce Osborn, Stirling Energy's new CEO and a longtime solar proponent. DAYTIME ONLY Why hasn't Stirling Energy's technology made more of a splash in the power business? Our dilemma has always been how to get costs down, explains Osborn. The dish assemblies now run $250,000 each. But that's because most have been handcrafted in sporadic lots of one or two units. Building a group of 40 or so would trim the cost to $150,000 each, Osborn estimates. With real mass production, that could drop by 50%. So when SCE said it wanted to buy more renewable energy, Osborn's outfit proposed the 500 MW project as the means of moving beyond its chicken-or-egg impasse. Producing that much electricity will require 20,000 dishes, built in a steadily increasing flow over several years. We're ramping up now, says Osborn. He expects to have 40 dishes in place for a 1 MW facility by the end of next year, followed by 50 MW in 2008. The electricity will be delivered only when the sun is shining, but that's when the utility's customers place peak demands on electricity. Our system is a really good match, providing peak power at times of peak load, notes Osborn. The price per kilowatt-hour (kWh) that SCE will pay is confidential and must be approved by the California Public Utilities Commission. But there's little doubt that the contract will get a thumbs-up,
Re: [Biofuel] the power of spin - harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source
My real name is Keith but if I used it in this list, it would cause some confusion would it not? Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the power of spin - harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source Sent: 29 Sep '05 21:27 Alt.EnergyNetwork: (Is that your real name?) Funny this is exactly what I proposed to Jason just a few days ago under a thread called Solar Air Cleaner. Jason proposed using a solar chimney to pull dirty city air through filters and I asked him if he considered using baffles to admit air tangentially and also mentioned adiabatic cooling and the heat of vaporization of water as an accelerator to the convective process. This was just a couple of days ago. Too weird! Joe Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is an interesting idea, regards tallex The power of spin Sep 29th 2005 From The Economist print edition http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4455446 Harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source WEATHER systems, as the world has recently been reminded, have awesome power. The energy released by a large hurricane can exceed the energy consumption of the human race for a whole year, and even an average tornado has a power similar to that of a large power station. If only mankind could harness that energy, rather than being at its mercy. Louis Michaud, a Canadian engineer who works at a large oil company, believes he has devised a way to do just that, by generating artificial whirlwinds that can be controlled and harnessed. He calls his invention the atmospheric vortex engine. His idea works on a similar principle to a solar chimney, which consists of a tall, hollow cylinder surrounded by a large greenhouse. The sun heats the air in the greenhouse, and the hot air rises. But its only escape route is via the chimney. A turbine at the base of the chimney generates electricity as the air rushes by. A small solar chimney was operated successfully in Spain in the 1980s, and EnviroMission, an Australian firm, is planning to build a 1,000-metre-high example in New South Wales. But the efficiency of such a system is proportional to the height of the chimney, notes Mr Michaud, which is limited by practical considerations. His scheme replaces the chimney with a tornado-like vortex of spinning air, which could extend several kilometres into the atmosphere. This vortex would be produced inside a large cylindrical wall, 200 metres in diameter and 100 metres tall. Warm air at ground level enters via tangential inlets around the base of the wall. Steam is also injected to get the vortex started. Once established, the heat content of the air at ground level is enough to keep the vortex going. As the air rises, it expands and cools, and water vapour condenses, releasing even more heat. This is, in fact, what powers a hurricane, which can be thought of as a heat engine that takes in warm, humid air at its base, releases cold, watery air at the top of the troposphere, about 12 kilometres up, and liberates a vast amount of energy in the process. (Just as water requires heat to make it boil, it releases heat as it condenses back into a liquid.) Mr Michaud's vortex would reach a similar height to that of a hurricane, but its base would remain stationary. The intensity of the vortex would be controlled by closing the inlets around the base, or by opening another set of inlets to inject air in the opposite direction and so slow the vortex's rotation. And, of course, there would be a set of turbines at the base of the vortex that would allow its energy to be harnessed as air rushed through the inlets. Mr Michaud estimates that an atmospheric vortex engine with a diameter of 200 metres would produce around 200 megawatts of power. Yes, but would it actually work? And if it did, could the resulting vortex really be controlled? Mr Michaud admits that the word tornado tends to worry people. This summer, 30 years after he had the original idea, and having failed to convince his employer or any other energy firm to take it on, he began tests at a site in Utah, with a cylindrical wall 10 metres in diameter. His initial aim is to demonstrate that artificial vortices can indeed be created and controlled. The next phase, he says, would be to modify a cooling tower at an existing power station so that it uses a spinning vortex rather than the usual large fans to generate the necessary airflow within. The final step would be to add turbines to extract energy from the vortex. Besides the engineering challenges involved, Mr Michaud must navigate the cultural divide between atmospheric
[Biofuel] the power of spin - harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source
Hi all, This is an interesting idea, regards tallex The power of spin Sep 29th 2005 From The Economist print edition http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4455446 Harnessing artificial tornadoes as an energy source WEATHER systems, as the world has recently been reminded, have awesome power. The energy released by a large hurricane can exceed the energy consumption of the human race for a whole year, and even an average tornado has a power similar to that of a large power station. If only mankind could harness that energy, rather than being at its mercy. Louis Michaud, a Canadian engineer who works at a large oil company, believes he has devised a way to do just that, by generating artificial whirlwinds that can be controlled and harnessed. He calls his invention the atmospheric vortex engine. His idea works on a similar principle to a solar chimney, which consists of a tall, hollow cylinder surrounded by a large greenhouse. The sun heats the air in the greenhouse, and the hot air rises. But its only escape route is via the chimney. A turbine at the base of the chimney generates electricity as the air rushes by. A small solar chimney was operated successfully in Spain in the 1980s, and EnviroMission, an Australian firm, is planning to build a 1,000-metre-high example in New South Wales. But the efficiency of such a system is proportional to the height of the chimney, notes Mr Michaud, which is limited by practical considerations. His scheme replaces the chimney with a tornado-like vortex of spinning air, which could extend several kilometres into the atmosphere. This vortex would be produced inside a large cylindrical wall, 200 metres in diameter and 100 metres tall. Warm air at ground level enters via tangential inlets around the base of the wall. Steam is also injected to get the vortex started. Once established, the heat content of the air at ground level is enough to keep the vortex going. As the air rises, it expands and cools, and water vapour condenses, releasing even more heat. This is, in fact, what powers a hurricane, which can be thought of as a heat engine that takes in warm, humid air at its base, releases cold, watery air at the top of the troposphere, about 12 kilometres up, and liberates a vast amount of energy in the process. (Just as water requires heat to make it boil, it releases heat as it condenses back into a liquid.) Mr Michaud's vortex would reach a similar height to that of a hurricane, but its base would remain stationary. The intensity of the vortex would be controlled by closing the inlets around the base, or by opening another set of inlets to inject air in the opposite direction and so slow the vortex's rotation. And, of course, there would be a set of turbines at the base of the vortex that would allow its energy to be harnessed as air rushed through the inlets. Mr Michaud estimates that an atmospheric vortex engine with a diameter of 200 metres would produce around 200 megawatts of power. Yes, but would it actually work? And if it did, could the resulting vortex really be controlled? Mr Michaud admits that the word tornado tends to worry people. This summer, 30 years after he had the original idea, and having failed to convince his employer or any other energy firm to take it on, he began tests at a site in Utah, with a cylindrical wall 10 metres in diameter. His initial aim is to demonstrate that artificial vortices can indeed be created and controlled. The next phase, he says, would be to modify a cooling tower at an existing power station so that it uses a spinning vortex rather than the usual large fans to generate the necessary airflow within. The final step would be to add turbines to extract energy from the vortex. Besides the engineering challenges involved, Mr Michaud must navigate the cultural divide between atmospheric scientists and the weather-modification community. The scientists regard the weather-modification crowd as cranks. They, in turn, cannot understand why the scientists are not taking a more hands-on, experimental approach to understanding the weather, rather than simply observing and modelling it. Mr Michaud has published nine papers in atmospheric-science and meteorology journals, and says his invention relies on principles that are consistent with scientists' current understanding of how natural weather systems work. So much for the theory. Now he must demonstrate that it works in practice. next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing
[Biofuel] experimental turbine
Hi all, This experimental turbine design was submitted to me for comments from the list. The inventor has obiously spent a great deal of effort in developing the idea and has received quite a deal of publicity in Mexico where he lives. I am still studying the plans and have not made any final conclusion as to it's viability yet. Experimental turbine http://www.alternate-energy.net/carlos_turbine05.html Cool animation though, regards tallex next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ignore science at your peril
Hello all, Just what exactly is it going to take to make sceptics believe that global warming is real and a very serious problem? http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2005/09/23/2003272851 Ignore science at your peril http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/092005/09232005/128653 Time to stop mainlining petroleum before it kills us next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Big oil windfall tax
A windfall tax on big oil's excessive profits is a great idea. France is already doing it. Imagine the great strides that we could make with implimenting alternative energy technologies mainstream if such a tax was a reality. Although it will probably be a cold day in hell before Bush and Mr. no bid Haliburton Cheney let this happen, regards tallex Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll - U.S. drivers cry foul and support oil-company tax http://tinyurl.com/8m6pp Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll U.S. drivers cry foul and support oil-company tax SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A majority of Americans are convinced they're being gouged at the gas pump, and many support a tax on oil companies' profits to fund research into alternative energy sources, according to a new survey. Eighty-seven percent of U.S. consumers said oil companies are gouging them on gas prices, according to the telephone survey of 1,019 adults in mid-September by Opinion Research Corp. for the Civil Society Institute, a Newton Centre, Mass.-based non-profit advocacy group. The Institute, funded by donations and foundation grants, supports a variety of initiatives, including 40mpg.org, which aims to make 40 miles per gallon the standard for all U.S. cars. Another 7% said very little price gouging is going on, 4% said it's not happening at all, and 3% weren't sure. The survey has a margin of error of plus, or minus, 3 percentage points at a 95% confidence level. The belief in price gouging was consistent across party lines, with 82% of Republicans pointing to some or a great deal of price gouging, 91% of Democrats doing so, and 87% of independents. Many consumers appear ready to gouge right back: 79% of those surveyed said they support a tax on oil company's profits if the money collected goes to research on alternative energy sources. That sentiment crossed political lines to a large extent, with 83% of Democrats, 76% of Republicans and 81% of independents supporting such a tax to fuel research on alternative energy sources. But there was less overall support for such a tax to fund other initiatives: Just 53% of the respondents support a tax on oil company profits to fund a direct rebate to U.S. drivers, while 70% support the tax to fund wetlands restoration in the Gulf Coast to lessen damage from future hurricanes. (The survey offered only those three possible purposes for the hypothetical tax revenues.) Confluence of factors Consumers' cry of price gouging, and apparent willingness to embrace alternative energy sources appears sparked by a confluence of factors, said Pam Solo, president and founder of the Civil Society Institute, in a telephone press conference. There are several strains of concern converging for people, she said, including steeply higher gas prices, the U.S.'s reliance on foreign oil, and global warming. Americans have seen ... too little action from Washington on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and the dangers of too much reliance on foreign oil, Solo said. And oil company profits aren't helping consumers feel warm and fuzzy, she said. We all know somebody is getting quite wealthy over the dilemmas and troubles we're facing as a country, she said. We should be able to share in those profits as a society to have greater control of our destiny as a country. Meanwhile, 81% of those surveyed agreed with the statement that the federal government isn't doing enough about high energy prices and U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern energy sources. Broken down across political parties: 74% of Republicans agreed the federal government isn't doing enough, as did 90% of Democrats and 83% of independents. Let's go hybrid When asked whether domestic car makers should follow Toyota's lead by including hybrid technology in all new cars going forward, 80% of consumers agreed, according to the survey. Eighty-six percent of Democrats agreed domestic makers should focus on hybrid technology, as did 73% of Republicans, and 80% of Independents. The visible success of hybrid cars may be leading more consumers to see alternative technologies as one part of a solution to the problem of high gas prices, Solo and her colleagues at the Institute said. Support for hybrid technology was strongest in the West, with 87% of consumers saying car makers should pursue all-hybrid fleets, compared with 82% in the Northeast, 79% in the Midwest, and 77% in the South. Some consumers also support the idea of higher fuel-efficiency standards for regular cars, with 48% of those surveyed saying recent gas price hikes make it much more important that the federal government take steps to require higher fuel-efficiency standards. Twenty-four percent said gas costs make it somewhat more important that the government address fuel-efficiency standards, but 19% said higher gas prices should have no effect on the government's approach to fuel efficiency standards, according to the
[Biofuel] windfall tax on big oil
Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll - U.S. drivers cry foul and support oil-company tax http://tinyurl.com/8m6pp Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll U.S. drivers cry foul and support oil-company tax SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A majority of Americans are convinced they're being gouged at the gas pump, and many support a tax on oil companies' profits to fund research into alternative energy sources, according to a new survey. Eighty-seven percent of U.S. consumers said oil companies are gouging them on gas prices, according to the telephone survey of 1,019 adults in mid-September by Opinion Research Corp. for the Civil Society Institute, a Newton Centre, Mass.-based non-profit advocacy group. The Institute, funded by donations and foundation grants, supports a variety of initiatives, including 40mpg.org, which aims to make 40 miles per gallon the standard for all U.S. cars. Another 7% said very little price gouging is going on, 4% said it's not happening at all, and 3% weren't sure. The survey has a margin of error of plus, or minus, 3 percentage points at a 95% confidence level. The belief in price gouging was consistent across party lines, with 82% of Republicans pointing to some or a great deal of price gouging, 91% of Democrats doing so, and 87% of independents. Many consumers appear ready to gouge right back: 79% of those surveyed said they support a tax on oil company's profits if the money collected goes to research on alternative energy sources. That sentiment crossed political lines to a large extent, with 83% of Democrats, 76% of Republicans and 81% of independents supporting such a tax to fuel research on alternative energy sources. But there was less overall support for such a tax to fund other initiatives: Just 53% of the respondents support a tax on oil company profits to fund a direct rebate to U.S. drivers, while 70% support the tax to fund wetlands restoration in the Gulf Coast to lessen damage from future hurricanes. (The survey offered only those three possible purposes for the hypothetical tax revenues.) Confluence of factors Consumers' cry of price gouging, and apparent willingness to embrace alternative energy sources appears sparked by a confluence of factors, said Pam Solo, president and founder of the Civil Society Institute, in a telephone press conference. There are several strains of concern converging for people, she said, including steeply higher gas prices, the U.S.'s reliance on foreign oil, and global warming. Americans have seen ... too little action from Washington on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and the dangers of too much reliance on foreign oil, Solo said. And oil company profits aren't helping consumers feel warm and fuzzy, she said. We all know somebody is getting quite wealthy over the dilemmas and troubles we're facing as a country, she said. We should be able to share in those profits as a society to have greater control of our destiny as a country. Meanwhile, 81% of those surveyed agreed with the statement that the federal government isn't doing enough about high energy prices and U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern energy sources. Broken down across political parties: 74% of Republicans agreed the federal government isn't doing enough, as did 90% of Democrats and 83% of independents. Let's go hybrid When asked whether domestic car makers should follow Toyota's lead by including hybrid technology in all new cars going forward, 80% of consumers agreed, according to the survey. Eighty-six percent of Democrats agreed domestic makers should focus on hybrid technology, as did 73% of Republicans, and 80% of Independents. The visible success of hybrid cars may be leading more consumers to see alternative technologies as one part of a solution to the problem of high gas prices, Solo and her colleagues at the Institute said. Support for hybrid technology was strongest in the West, with 87% of consumers saying car makers should pursue all-hybrid fleets, compared with 82% in the Northeast, 79% in the Midwest, and 77% in the South. Some consumers also support the idea of higher fuel-efficiency standards for regular cars, with 48% of those surveyed saying recent gas price hikes make it much more important that the federal government take steps to require higher fuel-efficiency standards. Twenty-four percent said gas costs make it somewhat more important that the government address fuel-efficiency standards, but 19% said higher gas prices should have no effect on the government's approach to fuel efficiency standards, according to the survey. Andrea Coombes is a reporter for MarketWatch in San Francisco. next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily
Re: [Biofuel] global warming tipping point
Hello, Why not discuss the story and implications right here. This list is full of individuals that can help make a difference. Believe me the well financed global warming skeptics and traditional fossil fuel suppliers won't win in the long run if we face them head on. We will be confronting serious problems in the near future from our past energy gluttony and disregard for the earth's natural ecosystems. We got ourselves into this mess and we are going to have to find sustainable solutions to develop a viable future for the planet. regards tallex next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] global warming tipping point Sent: 17 Sep '05 19:44 [0]mad_goldfish writes The UK's Independent is running a front page story today on a scientific report claiming that [1]global warming is now unstoppable, after measuring changes in the level of ice in the arctic. From the article: The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a 'tipping point' beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will raise sea levels dramatically. Satellites monitoring the Arctic have found that the extent of the sea ice this August has reached its lowest monthly point on record, dipping an unprecedented 18.2 per cent below the long-term average. Either way, [2]someone wins a bet. Discuss this story at: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=05/09/16/1514216 Links: 0. mailto:craig...nicol@@@gmail...com 1. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article312997.ece 2. http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/20/1845247tid=126 Yahoo! for Good [LINK: http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/] Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list [LINK: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel@sustainablelists.org [LINK: http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [LINK: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html] http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): [LINK: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/] http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] organic photovoltaic devices
Hi all, there is some interesting info here. Organic Photovoltaic Devices - Use Of Nanomaterials in Organic Photovoltaic Devices http://www.azonano.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=1400 next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] hydrogen tablet
Scientists at the Technical University of Denmark have invented a technology which may be an important step towards the hydrogen economy: a hydrogen tablet that effectively stores hydrogen in an inexpensive and safe material ..innovationsreport.de This is a very interesting development http://www.innovationsreport.de/html/berichte/energie_elektrotechnik/bericht-48872.html http://tinyurl.com/auxo6 regards tallex next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in
I have been following all the reports on CTV, CBC and BBC. Canada has the DART system that was used in the tsunami in Asia and is ready to be shipped to the disaster areas along with specialized teams and resources. Canadian hydro crews and all sorts of supplies and offers of help have been expressed by Canadian politicians. I have heard nothing on CTV, CBC or BBC about Canadian teams not being allowed in to help. Maybe you can check with homeland security and see what they have to say about it. Canadians have always stepped up to the plate to help, even though the U.S. treats them like a friendly lap dog sometimes. regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in Sent: 02 Sep '05 22:37 I was sent this blog item about Canadian help being denied entrance to flood areas. Did any Canadians hear the newscast? Anone know if it is true? http://www.dailykos.com/ US won't let Canada help Katrina victims by kos Wed Aug 31st, 2005 at 20:58:29 PDT A specialized urban search and rescue team from Vancouver will be joining the rescue efforts in Louisiana in the wake of hurricane Katrina. B.C. Solicitor General John Les said the province decided to send Vancouver Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) after officials in Louisiana asked for help. We're the first non-U.S.-based team to be requested, said Les. They're going to be helping as many people as they can. CTV Vancouver has learned that the team will board a plane Wednesday night heading to Lafayette, Louisiana, where local authorities will direct them to devastated areas. Sounds great! Except for one problem -- this team wasn't allowed to fly into the US, blocked by Homeland Security from entering. A Canadian reader sends this report: On tonight's news, CTV (Canadian TV) said that support was offered from Canada. Planes are ready to load with food and medical supplies and a system called DART which can provide fresh water and medical supplies is standing by. Department of Homeland Security as well as other U.S. agencies were contacted by the Canadian government requesting permission to provide help. Despite this contact, Canada has not been allowed to fly supplies and personnel to the areas hit by Katrina. So, everything here is grounded. Prime Minister Paul Martin is reportedly trying to speak to President Bush tonight or tomorrow to ask him why the U.S. federal government will not allow aid from Canada into Louisiana and Mississippi. That said, the Canadian Red Cross is reportedly allowed into the area. Canadian agencies are saying that foreign aid is probably not being permitted into Louisiana and Mississippi because of mass confusion at the U.S. federal level in the wake of the storm. Once the hard-hit region is back on its feet, there better be a full accounting of the preparation and response to this catastrophe. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Big deal, He cut 2 days off his vacation to do this ...all for the cameras. As noted by others below, he was the one who cut army core of engineers budget for urgent repair on sinking dykes and improvements to flood control systems. He is the one who continues to distort sound science, the problems of global warming and weakening the environmental protection act. As mentioned by others as well, he is the one who has troops, vital rescue equipment in Iraq when needed here NOW. The lack of a well planned rapid advanced response to this disaster is a shame. There are many hard questions that will need answers in the months to come. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Sent: 03 Sep '05 03:33 He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi. Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Thanks. I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look down. This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a fly by? I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up right now. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it. Hakan At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school. But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting. The situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq. The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job. After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps. Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes. The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water. What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made no
Re: [Biofuel] rockets, turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please).
Hi, Yes, you basically melted sugar and add a couple of ingredients and poured the mixture into tubes and compacted with the cone shape at the bottom. They used to work even better when you had a string connected through a hole in the top of the cone. This string was tied at the top, centered on a nail. The molten fuel would form around the cone and when dry, the string was removed leaving a burn channel through the propellant. Yes you have to follow all the rules or you can blow something up Lots of fun but it would'nt be too hard to get arrested for some of these activities these days. How about a wood pellet fired turbine/generator for emergencies or equalization charging where gasoline or traditional fuels are not available? Maybe something positive about the current energy crisis... is finally spurring nations into agressively developing alternate fuel sources and renewable energy sources While the present (U.S) administration is not taking the problem seriously enough. The dire situation we are headed for is finally beginning to sink in with the general public, made painfully aware at the pump. In turn, they will be reminded everyday with increases in heating oil, electricity rates to practically everything else that relies on oil - ... either in manufacture or transporting the product/service to market. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] rockets, turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please). Sent: 02 Sep '05 13:10 Interesting, I never tried mixing heated ingredients to make solid rocket fuel for model engines. We used a specially shaped ram with wet fuel, kind of like dough. You put in clay first to ram (press) the nozzle at the bottom of the tube, then the fuel. When it hardened, there would be a cone-shaped hollow up through the solid fuel. Worked good but you couldn't get too long with the tube or it would explode in flight. Read about the dangers and follow safety rules and you will likely remain alive. Regards, Emil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:26 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] rockets,turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please). Hi all, I used to be fascinated by this stuff when I was a kid and used to do a lot of pyro with building solid fuel model rockets. My friends and I would mix the materials on the kitchen stove and pour the molten fuel into cardboard tubes to harden around an cone shape at the bottom of the tube. Once electronically launched on our pad they would shoot up maybe a few hundred feet. That ended abruptly when I smoke bombed my mothers kitchen once accidently when mixing the ingredients!! So, I had done a lot of reading on rockets, ram jets, scram jets, v1, v2,s etc. Really fun stuff. If memory serves me correctly, Hitler used liquid paraffin and kerosene in the v2's. They were only designed to run for several minutes in flight. His scientists had also tried liquid parrafin and alcohol. One of the problems with these types of systems is that they used an incredable amount of fuel to operate for any length of time. Many air tools operate on an air turbine or piston design. You only need around 90psi to start doing some worth while work and it wouldn't be too hard to generate with wind or solar. I have operated a model air motor on compressed air for about 20 minutes with one of those tanks for tire fill ups @40 psi. Sizing up such a system might be very interesting. I have often though about a home system of wind /solar generated compressed air for use to run a turbine when there is no sun or wind. I have to do a lot more work on the cost effectiveness of such a design and component sourcing for a prototype but it is definately not that far fetched, unless I, or someone else convinces me otherwise. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please). Sent: 01 Sep '05 18:51 Hi Doug. 400 mph...oops...just a minor detail. Of course you're right. The SCRAM jet is the super-sonic version (supersonic combustion ram jet). I think the old German V1 (buzz-bomb) used a variation on the pulse jet that had
Re: [Biofuel] rockets, turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please).
No, We used various mixtures. Some times sodium nitrate, sulfur and sugar. Amonium nitrate, aluminum powder, suga, charcoal. You melted the sugar and added powdered sulfur and the nitrate after it had cooled down but before hardening. If you added the nitrates when the mixture was too hot, the whole mess would ignite in a massive smoke b-*b. Then it was compacted into cardboard tubes. Add other varoius powdered metals and chemical spheres and you have fireworks. You can fire them with a simple 12 vdc launch pad or potassium permanganate and a drop of glycerine automatically ignites when mixed. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] rockets, turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please). Sent: 02 Sep '05 13:56 Let me guess, potassium chlorate and sugar, cooked like candy to the hard crack stage on a candy thermometer? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 15:26 Subject: [Biofuel] rockets,turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please). Hi all, I used to be fascinated by this stuff when I was a kid and used to do a lot of pyro with building solid fuel model rockets. My friends and I would mix the materials on the kitchen stove and pour the molten fuel into cardboard tubes to harden around an cone shape at the bottom of the tube. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] rockets, turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).
Hi all, I used to be fascinated by this stuff when I was a kid and used to do a lot of pyro with building solid fuel model rockets. My friends and I would mix the materials on the kitchen stove and pour the molten fuel into cardboard tubes to harden around an cone shape at the bottom of the tube. Once electronically launched on our pad they would shoot up maybe a few hundred feet. That ended abruptly when I smoke bombed my mothers kitchen once accidently when mixing the ingredients!! So, I had done a lot of reading on rockets, ram jets, scram jets, v1, v2,s etc. Really fun stuff. If memory serves me correctly, Hitler used liquid paraffin and kerosene in the v2's. They were only designed to run for several minutes in flight. His scientists had also tried liquid parrafin and alcohol. One of the problems with these types of systems is that they used an incredable amount of fuel to operate for any length of time. Many air tools operate on an air turbine or piston design. You only need around 90psi to start doing some worth while work and it wouldn't be too hard to generate with wind or solar. I have operated a model air motor on compressed air for about 20 minutes with one of those tanks for tire fill ups @40 psi. Sizing up such a system might be very interesting. I have often though about a home system of wind /solar generated compressed air for use to run a turbine when there is no sun or wind. I have to do a lot more work on the cost effectiveness of such a design and component sourcing for a prototype but it is definately not that far fetched, unless I, or someone else convinces me otherwise. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please). Sent: 01 Sep '05 18:51 Hi Doug. 400 mph...oops...just a minor detail. Of course you're right. The SCRAM jet is the super-sonic version (supersonic combustion ram jet). I think the old German V1 (buzz-bomb) used a variation on the pulse jet that had a front-flap, allowing starting from a standing stop using only the turbine. It was quite advanced for the time. My vehicle will not be approaching 400mph any time soon...did I say hairbrained? Regards, Emil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:02 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please). I seem to recall that the minimum airspeed for halfway reasonable efficiency with a ramjet is about 400 mph. Hiller once experimented with a small helicopter powered by ramjets on the rotor tips. I don't recall any mention of starting problems but I doubt it was easy. I believe that a fuel adaptable to forming a reasonably fine mist is needed for ramjets and gas turbines. Kerosene works and I believe the Germans used diesel fuel during the war. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Manzo, Emil wrote: Hi Joe, for no (very few) moving parts you need a ram-jet. Or as some used to call a scram jet. It is essentially a pipe with a venturi and a fuel injector. It needs to have air flowing through it before ignition, like if it was attached to a glider or vehicle. Once enough airspeed flows, the injector is activated and the fuel ignited producing thrust. I bet WVO would work for fuel :-). Another one of my hair-brained dreams Regards, Emil -Original Message- Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] switchable permanent magnets? was Magnetic boots
OK thanks Cris. That still would'nt be practical for those NASA boots though would it. Adding electromagnets and a power supply would be bulky and inefficient at the very least. Just thinking out loud here but couldn't an electromagnet be combined with a so called magnet motor to help the magnets get by the stick points? regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] switchable permanent magnets? was Magnetic boots Sent: 25 Aug '05 11:51 How do you turn off a permanent magnet electronically? Hi Tallex, permanent magnets are laid in the track and used by the signalling system on British Rail. (AWS) To turn off the permanent magnet the electro magnet which lays along side the permanent is activated and swamps the magnetic field. As you rightly say it does not turn off the field, just cancels it out. Chris. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] too little..too late - increased fuel efficiency crumbs better than nothing?
too little, too late.. fuel efficiency crumbs better than nothing? Bush administration makes a meek attempt to address vehicle fuel efficiency, exempting Hummers! Bush Administration Sets New Fuel Standards http://www.alternate-energy.net/bush_new_efficiency05.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] switchable permanent magnets? was Magnetic boots
Hi all, How do you turn off a permanent magnet electronically? I can see mechanical shields or something similar but switchable permanent magnet boots? There is no problem in turning off a permanent magnet, it can be done electronically or mechanically.Chris. It would be amazing if such an animal existed but I doubt it. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots Sent: 24 Aug '05 21:32 ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet Funny things magnets, I did some work with them back in the 60s, they do seem to contain far more energy than they should. Although energy is probably not the right word. Use electro magnets to hold 100 Kg in the air and you can see the energy being used by the current flow, now how do you calculate the energy being used with permanent magnets doing the same job. There is no problem in turning off a permanent magnet, it can be done electronically or mechanically.Chris. -- Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Yes Monsanto and others have used absolutely dispicable tactics against some U.S. and Canadian farmers who found some of their gm plants on their land. I also understand that they just purchased the largest seed coumpany in the world. Name escapes me right now but that particular seed co. supplies most of the worlds vegetable and fruit seeds. I fear what these megacorps have planned with teminator seeds for tomatoes, lettuce and virtually all our fruits and vegtables once manipulated to not produce viable seeds or germinate the next year. They are programmed to die after one season so farmers have to buy a new batch of seeds each year from ...guess who? regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Richard B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism Sent: 08 Aug '05 18:34 Monsanto is a prime player in predatory, monopolistic practices, trying to pass laws to lock the little guy out. Check out http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=343. If Monsanto has its way, we will have to pay royalties to do anything with seeds, including growing plants to produce biofuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hiroshima survivor speaks out
Hiroshima Survivor Recalls the Day the Atomic Bomb Was Dropped http://www.alternate-energy.net/hiroshima05.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
I had to jump in here! rantO n0, not an abortion debate. Women have every right to full control over their own bodys and should have complete feedom of choice. Another example of the difference between red and blue states?? Dictating christian moral beliefs as if they were gospel and trying to influence law makers is not the way to go to develop an open, multicultural, tolerant suatainablesociety..even if you are arguing about abortion rights..and it is happening way too often. While christianity has its place, Suppression of scientific fact does not, Spirituality takes many forms and a society that celebrates diversity, has many advantages over one that does not. At least half the country believes in a more moderate view of the world than is presented politically.. You may also want to consider traveling outside the U. S. and discover just how out of sink and isolated (you) may have become in the planetary scheme of things.. There is a BIG world out there that you oviously are unaware off. and it is not too hardto imagine why some people are angry with us. Maybe you would rather continue to get gouged by ever increasing energy costs, giving all your gas expenses to over bloated multinationals , contributing to terrorists and a deterioration of established living standards? Continue to pay to drive a gas hog and see where that gets you. As long as you cling to old ideas and shy away from innovative solutions to our energy independence problems through denial and 20 century thinking, you will be no further ahead and YOU certainly won't be comfortable or have an modicum of energy security in the years ahead.. You also might want to wake up to the fact that there are millions of folks that don't agree with your philosophy. It's a big world out there and you will find that you view of things is to be questioned and pretty provincial. What is your reasoning to comparing snails to abortions? A society that respects diversity and tolerates others that are different is much better adopted to survive and cooperate in the difficult years we face ahead. some snails life, being of great importance and right to live, yet believe it is okay to kill babies. That the Child is of no value and has no right to life I respect your right to view abortions as wrong but lets face reality here. Abortions are a fact of life. They are not going away and will continue to be performed legally (or illegally) wether you like it or not, or are you going to arm yourself and blow up abortion clinics for your religious beliefs. Well that is just demented. . Nothing you or others do will change this so GET OVER iT Trying to influence government policy based on religious ideollogy is wrong and that hypocracy is breeding, international animosities.. If you don't beleve that, then you are at odds with most of the world. Where are you getting your information from, your local pastor exclusively?? Snails, frogs, tadpoles are solid boilogical health indicators of the state of the planet, and all is not wel at all, because of us. They are solid indicators of what wlll happen to us if we don't clean up our act and fast. We are polluting and destroying the earth at an incredable rate and WEill soon be the canary in the coal mine instead of the canary. Using stem cells from aborted fetuses could save your grand/father/mother from Alheimers, clone replacement hearts, lungs and other organs and limbs, save a newborn baby from certain death, so many potential remedies from this promising area of research, absolutely stymied by this administrations reluctance to sanction this type of reseach, another example of religion having far too much influence in government. I know about this first hand, as my brother is a professor deeply involved in genetic research and does a lot of work in this area. He continually complains about the suppression of research data, research funding cuts and right wing religious interfearance. Because of this researchthere is the veryrealposssability of curing some major diseases through manipulating these techniques. As if the neocons narrow view of society is the intelligent or right choice. Yes I'm really, really pissed off with the continued tactics of these people for the sole purpose of money in their pockets, under the guise of the moral right. Fortunately they seem to be seeing a little more light in recent months with admissions that funding and pursuing these developments just might be a good idea. I quess you have nothing to say about the thousands of dogs and cats that get put down every week because they are unwanted? Life is life? Are they a higher enough life form than snails for you? Just another example of our thow away society. I really, trully fear for the next generation. We are in serious deep SH-- if we don't get our act together.. I would much rather concentrate on being able to live off the grid, be
[Biofuel] arcosanti - an urban laboratory
interesting. arcosanti - an urban laboratory http://www.arcosanti.org/ Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] U.S., five Asian nations agree to push technology to fight climate change
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[Biofuel] solar power breakthrough (we'll see)
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[Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country
Me too, The once proud republican party has been highjacked by right wing neocons, powerfull corporations and xenophobic Jesus freaks. No administration in history has gone to the extent that this one has, to distort scientific data and water down or eliminate environmental and health protection measures. The disinformation/media control and suppression tactics of sound science that they use are mind boggling. I have reposted 2 articles below that may be of interest. Apologies if you have all read them, but they are worth reading again. What are the most effective ways to conteract this warped view of democracy and control that is gradually being harmonized globally to the lowest common denominator? regards tallex p.s. I coudn't resist reposting these either, Science Under Seige poster unknown By Tim Montague An ill wind is gusting through the halls of science these days: faked research, suppression of unwelcome results, corruption of science advisory panels, university research falling under the influence of corporate sponsors, and many other conflicts of interest. It's as if science were under siege. For at least the last thirty years science has strongly supported the positions taken by environmental and public health advocates. The proponents of 'business as usual' have claimed that chemical and nuclear technologies have created only minor problems or no problems whatsoever -- but time after time science has shown otherwise. They said global warming was a chicken little fantasy. They said the Earth's ozone shield couldn't possible be harmed. They argued that asbestos was benign. They said lead in paint and gasoline was entirely safe. They said harm from hormone-disrupting chemicals was imaginary. They said a little radioactivity might actually improve your health. They said human health was constantly and consistently improving -- until scientific study revealed increases in birth defects, asthma, diabetes, attention deficits, nervous system disorders, diseases of the reproductive system, immune system disorders, cancer in children, and on and on. In each of these cases science showed that the advocates of 'business as usual' were simply wrong. Science cannot solve all our problems or tell us everything we need to know, but it remains a powerful tool for reaching agreement about the nature of reality (at least for those parts of reality amenable to scientific inquiry). For the past 30 years, science has shown us unmistakably that we are destroying the natural systems (and bodily defenses) that we ourselves depend upon, so 'business as usual' is a dead end. Perhaps this is why science itself is now under systematic attack by corporate interests. Whatever the underlying reasons, it seems clear that industry has lined up to discredit science, control the research agenda, take over the apparatus for scholarly publication and otherwise undermine the scientific and democratic pursuit of knowledge in the public interest. Perhaps they see it as their only hope of defending themselves against the overwhelming scientific evidence that -- if accepted by the public -- would end 'business as usual' and set us on a new precautionary path. The Los Angeles Times reported July 11 that allegations of faked scientific findings increased 50% between 2003 and 2004.[1] But the Times also noted that the federal Office of Research Integrity cannot keep up with the rising tide of scientific fakery because it's budget is far too small. The office received 274 allegations of scientific fakery in 2004, but was able to complete only 23 investigations. Corporate suppression of data is now so routine that no one raises an eyebrow. In the wake of an EPA advisory panel classifying the Teflon chemical C8 (ammonium perfluorooctanoate, or PFOA) as a likely carcinogen, reporter Ken Ward Jr. of the Charleston (W.Va.) Gazette learned that in 1981 DuPont initiated a study to learn whether exposure to C8 caused birth defects in the children of Teflon factory workers. When the study found an excess of birth defects in the children, the study was abandoned and the results filed away without notifying the federal government. Under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) companies must tell the EPA when they find information that reasonably supports the conclusion that [a chemical] presents a substantial risk of injury to health.[2] Generating Doubt -- OSHA Gives Up It is common practice for industry to wage scientific and public relations war against the regulatory agencies whose job is to protect public health. The Wall Street Journal reports that PR firm executives openly admit to hiring university professors to put their names on ghost-written letters to the editor.[3] The letters are written by hacks paid to put a corporate spin on the science, and the experts sign their names to lend credence to the spin (and to earn a fat fee). Another common
[Biofuel] ethanol backers reject study
NE - Supporters reject study that says ethanol of dubious worth http://www.journalstar.com/latest_reg/?story_id=225011 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] was..China Stakes Claim for Global Oil Access
Hello, I find the coming oil crunch very scary and don't doubt it is going to happen. China is just doing what the U.S. has been doing for years..staking out claims to the world's remaining fossil fuels. l They and the rest of the developing countries have the same rights as everyone else to reliable, affordable energy and they will do everything that they can to secure it. I am quite sure that the average citizen has only a faint idea of the trouble that we are in for in the next several years. One of the only bright sides in all of this is as dino fuels become ever more expensive, the economies of scale will continue to tip in favor of renewables. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] China Stakes Claim for Global Oil Access Sent: 18 Jul '05 16:12 In its quest for crude, Beijing is dangling cash and playing on nations' discontent with the U.S. Can the two huge energy consumers coexist? I find it rather scary, as China has the export earnings to pay for expensive oil. If China starts to use oil like America does there isn't enough oil in the world to supply the demand. Heating/lighting costs are going through the roof here in the UK, after closing all out deep coal mines we are now running out of Natural gas and panic is hitting the fuel markets. I'm paying $7.56 for a gallon of diesel, I really don't need China jacking the price of crude up. Chris. Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Re: was - Electromagnetic Pulse Alert
In the early days of the invasion they launched 1,000's of carbon fibre strips from planes to short out transmission lines and power systems. There also seems to be a very fine line between freedom of information and giving your enemies a how to manual for WMD's. EMP devices have been researched by the U.S, Russia and others for years and there is a lot of dangerous technology out there. Some of the stuff developed over the years is pretty terrifing. regards tallex Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Electromagnetic Pulse Alert In a message dated 7/1/05 1:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well, gee, if the terorist haven't thought of doing this yet, this all ought to give them a leg up. greg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] solar tracker circuit - part 1
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[Biofuel] solar energy stored efficiently
Solar energy stored efficiently http://www.physorg.com/news4749.html The black stuff has world order over a barrel http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1515240,00.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Global warming c02 turned into baking soda
Promising technology turns global warming c02 into baking soda Company develops process to turn CO2 into baking soda http://www.alternate-energy.net/co2_to_baking_soda05.html regards tallex http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] plastic solar cells
Coat the world in plastic to catch the sun http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1387706.htm Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Re: was Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
What a load of bull. I sincerely doubt that the Robin Williams was the author of the xenophobic rant below. tallex ---Original Message--- From: Jerry Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops... Sent: 05 Jun 2005 03:42:17 AMEN - Original Message - FROM: Michael Redler TO: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org SENT: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:27 PM SUBJECT: Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops... Why do all the xenophobic emails end with: If you agree with the above forward it to a friend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it ! as if the third choice (spreading this email with a description of what it really is) is not an option. After watching Patch Adams, I have to believe that there is another Robin Williams who wrote this trash. Be amazed Lisa...be very amazed! Mike _LISA SIMPSON _ wrote: You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan .. what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this logic!) I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan. 1.) The US will apologize to the world for our interference in their affairs, past present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic and the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never interfere again. 2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence. 3.) All illegal aliens have 90 da! ys to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them. 4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers. 5.) No foreign students over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a D and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while. 7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.) 8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not interfere, They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything. 9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens. 10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us Ugly Americans any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan. The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?' ~~~If you agree with the above forward it to friend... If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it ! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to
[Biofuel] more on transparent solar cells
more on transparent solar cells regards tallex The novel photochromic system reacts to the lighting conditions. The glass panes automatically colour when they are illuminated, and bleach in the dark. The particular advantage of the new development, in comparison to previous photochromic materials, is presented by its high colour contrast even at elevated temperatures. In contrast to electrochromic systems, the photochromic system does not require an external power supply or controls, as the sunlight delivers the energy for the colouring process. The need and thus the costs for transparent electrodes are avoided. In addition, it is no longer necessary to insulate two electrodes from each other to avoid short circuits, which is by no means trivial over large areas. The basis for the system is a coating consisting of layers of electrochromic tungsten oxide and a dye solar cell with a low concentration of dye. Under illumination, electrons in the solar cell layer are excited and injected into the tungsten oxide. At the same time, cations from the electrolyte are intercalated into the layer. As a result, the tungsten oxide turns blue. In the dark, recombination reactions, which can be accelerated by the presence of catalysts, cause the tungsten oxide to bleach. The coloration depth and rate depend on the catalytic activity and can be adapted to each particular application. The visible (solar) transmittance of the first samples prepared is reduced from 60 % (40 %) to 4 % (1 %) when they are illuminated for 15 minutes by sunlight with an intensity of 1000 Wm-2. After 30 minutes in the dark, these samples have bleached almost completely. At low light intensity, the coloration is less intense. Below 100 Wm-2, it is only very weak. Use of adapted ionic conductors offers great potential to shorten the switching times. In principle, the system can also be produced as a photochromic film, which brings further advantages for applications. Transparent solar cells http://www.alternate-energy.net/power_glass05.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] interesting fuel cell developments
Some interesting fuel cell developments here UK: FUEL CELL POWER No. 20 Spring 2005 http://www.futureenergies.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=885 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
the other and more serious debate we can have about hydrogen. This product was developed to capitalize from the hydrogen hype and to be sold as a status symbol for some that think that they can prove their environmental concerns this way. It is in the same class as the hydrogen Swartzenagger Hummer, but it is only my opinion and please do not get hurt feelings because of it. I am very sorry if I offended you, I had no idea that it was such a serious issue for you and you are right in that case. It was very insensitive of me and I apologize to you and other peers in the same situation as you. Anyway, it will sell and make good profits for the company, that I am sure of. Hakan At 06:27 AM 4/27/2005, you wrote: OK Hakan. You will notice that I was trying to keep an open mind to a new idea. I can say with confidence that I have no plans to put anything other than wood in my fireplace. But, if you enjoy blind siding members of this group with juvenile remarks like but who cares, it is the modern way of having a romantic moment, you might not realize how some of your peers in this group see someone who has traded objectivity for pointless sarcasm. Is this your method for inspiring others -- ridicule? Maybe it's a way of boosting your own self esteem. Either way, there's nothing good in it. How about an attempt at some useful information next time -- without attacking any of your peers. Mike --- Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, At 07:56 PM 4/26/2005, you wrote: I don't see conflicting opinions. I just see different motives. Agreed; H2 via electrolysis is not efficient by most comparisons. But, since when is a fireplace anyone's first choice for an efficient means of heating a home? Yet millions of people (including myself and other environmentally conscious individuals) choose to use fuel inefficiently from time to time You must mean most of the time. and create a pleasant atmosphere -- especially when family and friends are gathered together during their time off. Although it's hard to quantify, there is value in activities like sitting in front of a fireplace. and doing the right thing, burning water. An expensive school experiment, but who cares, it is the modern way of having a romantic moment. Burning the money will give less BTU anyway, or maybe not, the way that the $ is heading. Hakan Mike Greg Harbican wrote: You still run into H2 storage issues. You would have to spend days making H2 just to run the fireplace for a few of hrs. Why bother? It is more efficient to use the energy in another manor. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:12 Subject: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 21:01:21 If your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. Michael Redler wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long
[Biofuel] Re: last from me on hydrogen fire place
It turns out that the so called fireplace is basically a hydrogen candle not a fireplace at all in the traditional sense. Marketed as a hoakey green status symbol and apparently for an award regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Terry DeSimone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 28 Apr 2005 02:38:38 I dunno,seems like a closed system. Combusting H2 is just the reversal of the electrolysis (reduction/oxidation). It would appear to use no oxygen from the home air as opposed to a wood burner which doesn't supply its own oxygen. The only problem I see is that all the water that is used to produce the H2 will wind up in the house as high humidity. This concept would probably be excellent for heating a greenhouse. ÊÊ Terry Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK But don't shoot the messanger. I was paraphrasing some of the info from the site. I didn't design the device and have no association with that company. I posted the item because I thought that it was interesting. I have some reservations about their system as well. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 15:16:12 Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?ÊÊYahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] sillyness-was- hydrogen fire place
Hi Hakan, Well I think that it is silly to use fossil produced electricity for an electrolizer to burn hydrogen in a fireplace. Not efficient at all and a waste of juice. There is nothing renewable about that idea. I also just learned that the company has been having problems with the units. Seems the front keeps blowing off!! I also think it is silly to power the so called hydrogen economy from fossil/nuclear/coal/LNG cracked hydrogen, although LNG produced hydrogen is cleaner than what we have now and will probably power most of the initial hydrogen hybrids. It is also a good bet that nuclear produced hydrogen will play a significant part as well. I would maybe suggest that the waste products be mixed with cement and made into bricks to build homes for politicians with! I don't think it is silly to use wind, PV and other renewable sources to generate hydrogen. There are already on site units made by Stuart and others that can run on wind and PV. Used in fill up stations in this way is not silly. And, no Mr Bush, coal is not a renewable source of energy(lol) GM,Ford, Daimler are all betting their future on hybrids and hydrogen platforms, at first probably generated from fossil fuels. We have to make some very tough choices about our energy future and are going to have to utilise all manner of renewable technologies to even put a dent in what we need to power the planet. Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallex, If you think this is silly, you just wait, I heard that they will start to use it in cars also. LOL Hakan At 07:48 PM 4/26/2005, you wrote: it sounds kind of silly. Maybe they hope to market it to people who want to see themselves as environmentally responsable while still being able to drive their gas hogs regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network ÊÊ 1000+ news sources-resources ÊÊupdated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
OK But don't shoot the messanger. I was paraphrasing some of the info from the site. I didn't design the device and have no association with that company. I posted the item because I thought that it was interesting. I have some reservations about their system as well. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 15:16:12 Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?ÊÊYahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 21:01:21 If your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?ÊÊYahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: was- hydrogen fire place
---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Well I didn't design the darn thing. I posted it because I thought it was an interesting idea. I always have respect for hydrogen and have been constructing many electrolisers over the years. There are a couple of other companies developing hydrogen bar b ques and hydrogen lawn mowers so this article was along the same line. You may want to read the hydrogen fireplace update that I posted, as it decribes a number of very interesting patents using brown's gas for combustion heating. The devise is not as far fetched or rediculous as it may seem at first glance. Read the other patents info on this type of tech regards Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place Sent: 26 Apr 2005 04:32:16 And if you dumped the power into a resistor (heater) you would get twice as much heat as the fireplace. Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 21:01:21 If your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. Michael Redler wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?ÊÊYahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable
Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
Hi Greg, You are right. When one starts thinking about their idea a bit more in depth, it sounds kind of silly. Maybe they hope to market it to people who want to see themselves as environmentally responsable while still being able to drive their gas hogs regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place Sent: 26 Apr 2005 17:29:42 You still run into H2 storage issues. You would have to spend days making H2 just to run the fireplace for a few of hrs. Why bother? It is more efficient to use the energy in another manor. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:12 Subject: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network ÊÊ 1000+ news sources-resources ÊÊupdated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 21:01:21 ÊÊIf your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. ÊÊMichael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. ÊÊDoes anyone have a link with some stats? ÊÊMike ÊÊKirk McLoren wrote: ÊÊSupplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. ÊÊKirk ÊÊAlt.EnergyNetwork wrote: ÊÊHi all, ÊÊThis is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard ÊÊelectrolysis of water. ÊÊYou still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately ÊÊnot free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. ÊÊCompany states output at around 31,000 btu's. ÊÊIt is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite ÊÊa few clones will be available. ÊÊCertainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn ÊÊclean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. ÊÊThe world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation ÊÊof hearth products ÊÊhttp://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 ÊÊGet your daily alternative energy news ÊÊhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid ÊÊnews resources forums ÊÊhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy ÊÊAlternative Energy Politics ÊÊhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ÊÊAlternate Energy Resource Network ÊÊ1000+ news sources resources ÊÊupdated daily ÊÊhttp://www.alternate-energy.net ÊÊ___ ÊÊBiofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÊÊhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel ÊÊBiofuel at Journey to Forever: ÊÊhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html ÊÊBiofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): ÊÊhttp://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ÊÊ__ ÊÊDo You Yahoo!? ÊÊTired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around ÊÊhttp://mail.yahoo.com ÊÊ___ ÊÊBiofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÊÊhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel ÊÊBiofuel at Journey to Forever: ÊÊhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html ÊÊBiofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): ÊÊhttp://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ÊÊ___ ÊÊBiofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÊÊhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel ÊÊBiofuel at Journey to Forever: ÊÊhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html ÊÊBiofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): ÊÊhttp://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ÊÊ__ ÊÊDo You Yahoo!? ÊÊTired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around ÊÊhttp://mail.yahoo.com ÊÊ___ ÊÊBiofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÊÊhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel ÊÊBiofuel at Journey
[Biofuel] radioactive -was hydrogen fire place
Hello JD2005, can you give me some information. What is this radioactive material that they(who?) are putting in washing powder. Also how does this material disasociate water or make clothes dry faster? thanks for your reply regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place Sent: 27 Apr 2005 12:10:55 I do not agree with the utilisation of water to get wasser stoff (hydrogen) but it is possible to dissociate water with radioactive material such as they are putting in washing power these days to make laundry dry more quickly. JD2005 - Original Message - From: bob allen I guess if you ran the electrolysis device in your living room to recover the lost heat, but still there have to be better ways to provide space heat. It would be just as efficient and a lot cheaper to run a bare nichrome wire for heat. Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network ÊÊ 1000+ news sources-resources ÊÊupdated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 21:01:21 If your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] hydrogen fire place
Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a pretty simple idea so I expect it won't be long before quite a few clones will be available. Certainly doesn't help solve the energy crisis though it will burn clean and has the option of adding the oxygen to the room air. The world's first hydrogen-burning fireplace launches next generation of hearth products http://www.heatnglo.com/news/pressrelease.asp?id=33 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links
Hi all, Just added some new pdf files on how to make a home made fuel cell, peak oil, hydrogen and future transportation tech. You can find them here. regards tallex http://www.alternate-energy.net/pdf03.html Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
