Re: [Biofuel] Fuel from Algae??
This technology was widely covered yesterday in the History Channel, Latin america. There is an electricity central in the US, were the CO2 emmisions are being passed through an algae/light/oxigen bioreactor and consequently the algae grow. The algae is unicellular living thing. Most of it weight is fat, and hidrocarbons and protein waste. Fat is separated and treated to be converted in Biodiesel. Hidrocarbons ar fermented to be converted in alcohol. Proteins will be used for animal feed swine or poultry. The 200 MW electricity plant needs 800 hectares (100x100) to treat all the CO2 waste. US counts with 2900 centrals of this size. I wonder what happens in the night withouth sunlight. Can´t remember the exact place but if someone can dig in the History Channel site can give more precise info on location. Think it is in nevada. As far as I understand the algae BD is only experimental. Am I wrong?? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel from Algae?? Hello James Doug, Here are a few links. I've driven an E250 van that ran on biodiesel made from algae oil.. Well that would be a first. It needs a little more detail please James, or a lot more detail. Considering that by all accounts there is no such thing as biodiesel from algae apart from a few lab samples and some pilot projects that never get any further, and zero production - but LOTS of hype! Please see the links in my reply to Doug. This process was revived by MIT and Jimmy Carter in 1979. In which John Benemann was one of the lead scientists, and he is completely sceptical. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70264.html And is the most bang for the alt energy buck anywhere.. http://web.mit.edu/erc/spotlights/alg.html http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/12/arizona_public_.html Where is the production? Best Keith Regards, JQ doug wrote: Hi, I ran into a chap travelling around Australia extolling the virtues of running on SVO. He is to email me more details, but apparently there is a project in Australia involved with oil from Algae, aparently using CO2 feedstock from generation equipment. I googled to try to find more info, but only found foreign references from ~2005. Has anyone heard anything about this project? regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Janes: Boeing Is Working on Anti-Grav
Very, very interisting info, but scarce. ¿Does anyone have more info to read? - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Janes: Boeing Is Working on Anti-Grav Anti-gravity propulsion comes 'out of the closet' http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jdw/jdw020729_1_n.shtml 29 July 2002 Anti-gravity propulsion comes 'out of the closet' *By Nick Cook, JDW Aerospace Consultant, London* Boeing, the world's largest aircraft manufacturer, has admitted it is working on experimental anti-gravity projects that could overturn a century of conventional aerospace propulsion technology if the science underpinning them can be engineered into hardware. As part of the effort, which is being run out of Boeing's Phantom Works advanced research and development facility in Seattle, the company is trying to solicit the services of a Russian scientist who claims he has developed anti-gravity devices. So far, however, Boeing has fallen foul of Russian technology transfer controls (Moscow wants to stem the exodus of Russian high technology to the West). - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070921/903ce7f8/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine Settling Time
Hi all, I just saw the tom experiment results. Think the small quantity of glycerol increased the viscosity and that helps to stabilize the suspension. But I don think this is stable for a long time or if it were an stable emulsion. More likely a suspension wichis like an emulsion but not stable for long time. I did it with water and oil and some happened but nothing to say I have an emulsion here. After a few hours got separated. I agree with Jan that a poorly completed reaction releases mono and di-glicerydes wich have a strong emulsifier capacity and can trap any polar substances in the BD phase, not only glycerine but also proteins and methanol. When I saw the firs time the BD production with a friend in israel he added salt to break any emulsion trace. He left the batch for several days. Now I left for two complete days and all passes the QT test. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine Settling Time Hi Jan; Ok your post agrees with what Andres said. So how do we explain Tom's experiment then? To recap (Tom correct me if I miss something here) he took washed esters that passed the methanol test and added water and (of course) no emulsion when agitated. Whatever mono and diglycerides were in the esters were small but present I assume, but yet no emusion. Then added some small quantity of glycerol ( which had been separated from the soaps, FFA and salts) and agitated again and did get an emulsion. I have had the feeling glycerin has usually been the cause of emulsion problems when I have had them. No doubt a poorly reacted batch is much more likely to have the problem but is that really due to the glycerides or is it glycerin which hasn't settled. Remember we started this discussion that the glycerin settles much slower in a poorly completed run. BTW as an addition to this discussion look what someone just posted on my yahoo group! Using glycerin cocktail to BREAK an emulsion. Now that's radical!!?? http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/breakingemulsions/ Joe Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hi evereybody. I feel obliged to enter this discussion. Pure glycerine is not a good emulsifier due to the fact that there are three OH-groups and that the carbon s in the first and third positions are surronded by two hydrogene atoms. This makes the glycerine hydrophilic in five places alltogether. However, the mono- and diglycerides are excellent emulsifiers. Only small amounts of these are sufficient to create stable emulsions. Would somebody agree with me on that ? Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine Settling Time Hi Tom Hi Keith, Then if you do one-litre test batches first, especially with iffy batches of oil, Ops. I took Joe's point to be: If you have to re-process it is possible to use info from the QT to determine how much (how little) methanol you'll need to use. I also took that point, there were others though. It's a useful method, cheaper reprocessing, but I think we all agree that reprocessing itself is to be avoided if at all possible. Or I thought we did anyway. I think that both Joe and myself have standardize(d) the process so that passing the QT is the rule, not the exception. That's not what Joe said: It makes sense. Glycerin is an emulsifier. Have you ever tried dosing the batch again with a little methoxide? After you remove the glycerin it doesn't take much to get the last bit of the reaction to go and settle out the remaining glycerin. Of course this is well known already. Kenji and many others do straight base catalysis as a two stage deal. You can do a methanol test of sorts and the unreacted oil will settle out. Then you can use the measured amount of unreacted oil in the methanol test vial to estimate the percentage unreacted oil in your batch and dose accordingly with the stoichiometric amount of methoxide. Assume neutral oil for this calculation. Rod and I do this regularly if the batch fails the QT and it works like a charm. Will save you settling time in the long run. Rod and I do this regularly if the batch fails the QT and it works like a charm. That if makes it a little ambiguous, but the regularly bit puts a question-mark on what's the rule and what's the exception. Kenji and many others do straight base catalysis as a two stage deal. Less methanol notwithstanding, my question remains - why reprocess, as a standard procedure, instead of avoiding the problem in the first place? Could be wrong, but it sounds like Kenji and others might be doing this rather than doing a titration - you know the old line: There's no need for titration, just use 6.25 g. And then using the methanol test to try to
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine Settling Time
From the moment that I decided to left the reacted mixture to settle two days I never had a batch below standards. Is a 5,000 lt reactor and the settling tank is separated. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine Settling Time Joe, You wrote: Have you ever tried dosing the batch again with a little methoxide? After you remove the glycerin it doesn't take much to get the last bit of the reaction to go and settle out the remaining glycerin. I've been concerned about the excess methanol and the catalytic caustic that will leave with the glycerin I remove. You seem to be suggesting re-processing the BD using info from the QT. Instead of adding 10% (vol/vol) methanol, use an amount that correlates to the volume of unreacted oil (from QT). Ex QT suggests 8% unreacted oil in a 100L batch = 8 L of unreacted oil in the batch. Add 1.6L of methanol (20% vol/vol of the unreacted oil) and re-process. (Much better than the 10L normally required for re-processing). Have I got it right? Do you still have to add 3.5g of lye (or KOH equivalent)/L ? If so, is it 3.5g lye per liter of unreacted oil (calculated from QT) or per L of batch? Don't you have to heat up the whole batch again? (Time and energy) If so, I suggest my way. Towards the end of the reaction, interrupt the process and test the BD*. If it fails the QT add more methanol** and let the reaction continue for a while. * When I drain the sample to be tested, I allow some to flow before taking the sample. In case there was oil in my drain plug I won't get a false negative on the QT. ** I have simply added a liter or two based loosely on the QT. I will now quantify based on the QT and be more accurate (Thanks). Kenji and many others do straight base catalysis as a two stage deal. Two Stage Base/Base Method? I know of someone who uses it; no titration --- consistently good BD. It seems to be a bit more time-consuming and uses more energy and caustic than my simple (some would say primitive) single stage base method. Big Lunch, Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine Settling Time Tom; It makes sense. Glycerin is an emulsifier. Have you ever tried dosing the batch again with a little methoxide? After you remove the glycerin it doesn't take much to get the last bit of the reaction to go and settle out the remaining glycerin. Of course this is well known already. Kenji and many others do straight base catalysis as a two stage deal. You can do a methanol test of sorts and the unreacted oil will settle out. Then you can use the measured amount of unreacted oil in the methanol test vial to estimate the percentage unreacted oil in your batch and dose accordingly with the stoichiometric amount of methoxide. Assume neutral oil for this calculation. Rod and I do this regularly if the batch fails the QT and it works like a charm. Will save you settling time in the long run. Big skies Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, I took a sample from my latest batch of BD destined for my boiler (failed QT; but very little residue dropped out). It had settled for almost 10 hrs. That was yesterday morning. Today there is a small, but noticable, bit of glycerine on the bottom. More settled out after the initial 10 hrs of settling. I don't have any results with good BD to compare it with. If it turns out that glycerine settles out slower from incomplete vs complete reactions, it would answer the question I asked about getting emulsions when I washed low quality BD after letting it settle overnight, but not getting emulsions when it settled for a few days to a week. It would also help with a friendly disagreement I have with a friend. He seems to think that unreacted glycerides will settle out of the BD given time. He has taken to going with about 16% (vol/vol) of methanol in his batches. His logic: Unreacted oil causes emulsions, right? The emulsions I get in the first wash after settling the BD overnight are due to the unreacted oil? When I let it settle for a week or more I don't get emulsions, therefore the unreacted oil must have settled out. More likely: Some unreacted glycerides are still there, but after a week of settling more of the glycerine has settled out. Even a small amount of glycerine compound the emulsifying effects of the unreacted glycerides . Yes? By the way, I always ask him Did you do a quality test? His answer: Oops, I forgot. Thanks
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine Settling Time
Joe, For the sake of precise concepts, gliceryn is NOT an emulsifier. Emulsifiers contains a clear lipofilic and hidrofilic zones in the molecule. Which is an emulsifier is the partially reacted mono or di-glicerides, but in a crystal clear liquid there are not emulsions or dispersions. Glycerin is dissolved in the BD and separates from the liquid BD phase with time. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine Settling Time Tom; It makes sense. Glycerin is an emulsifier. Have you ever tried dosing the batch again with a little methoxide? After you remove the glycerin it doesn't take much to get the last bit of the reaction to go and settle out the remaining glycerin. Of course this is well known already. Kenji and many others do straight base catalysis as a two stage deal. You can do a methanol test of sorts and the unreacted oil will settle out. Then you can use the measured amount of unreacted oil in the methanol test vial to estimate the percentage unreacted oil in your batch and dose accordingly with the stoichiometric amount of methoxide. Assume neutral oil for this calculation. Rod and I do this regularly if the batch fails the QT and it works like a charm. Will save you settling time in the long run. Big skies Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, I took a sample from my latest batch of BD destined for my boiler (failed QT; but very little residue dropped out). It had settled for almost 10 hrs. That was yesterday morning. Today there is a small, but noticable, bit of glycerine on the bottom. More settled out after the initial 10 hrs of settling. I don't have any results with good BD to compare it with. If it turns out that glycerine settles out slower from incomplete vs complete reactions, it would answer the question I asked about getting emulsions when I washed low quality BD after letting it settle overnight, but not getting emulsions when it settled for a few days to a week. It would also help with a friendly disagreement I have with a friend. He seems to think that unreacted glycerides will settle out of the BD given time. He has taken to going with about 16% (vol/vol) of methanol in his batches. His logic: Unreacted oil causes emulsions, right? The emulsions I get in the first wash after settling the BD overnight are due to the unreacted oil? When I let it settle for a week or more I don't get emulsions, therefore the unreacted oil must have settled out. More likely: Some unreacted glycerides are still there, but after a week of settling more of the glycerine has settled out. Even a small amount of glycerine compound the emulsifying effects of the unreacted glycerides . Yes? By the way, I always ask him Did you do a quality test? His answer: Oops, I forgot. Thanks Joe and Rod . for bringing this to my attention A push to make a lot of BD for heat is just around the corner. It might be best to include more settling time in the schedule. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test Hey Tom; Take a sample from your fuel after settling 6-8 hrs and set it asside in a mason jar for the longer period and see what settles out. Rod believes that glycerin settles slower in a poorly completed reaction. I believe he is right. And yes it only takes a little glycerin to emulsify your wash. Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Mike, I let mine settle for a week when I can. It washes much easier. I doubt that it does anything for an incomplete reaction though. That is to say, I don't think the unreacted oil will settle out. But: I have been wondering about something. When I started making BD it would never pass the methanol quality test. I inevitably got emulsions in the wash. Now, when I make BD for my oil-fired boiler, I use only about 16-17% (vol/vol) of methanol. The BD does not pass the quality test, but I don't have the same emulsion problems. Is it because I let it settle longer (24+ hours vs 6 - 8 hrs)? Does the presence of a small amount of glycerine/soaps make that much of a difference when trying to wash BD from an incomplete reaction? Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test FWIW - I let the batch settle for a week or so (the lazy man's way) and that
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
Places were drinking water is not available is a totally different thing. Would I need to describe how the wasted packing material contaminates the world and how the PET bottles do its part? Or any other plastics? It does not contaminates the water inside the bottle (hope the manufacturer did a good polimerization work) but does with the environment were it is disposed. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water On 8/5/07, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Purify water with reverse osmosis? Friends, it strongly depends on what contamination has in it. Drinking water is far more complicated to produce than one step processing as reverse osmosis, electrodyalisis or simple or complex devices. Destilation is what mother nature do for us for free, then aireation in natural streams, simple isn´t it? What do we do when there is no ready water source available? I agree that packing systems contaminates too much, lots of energy and dangerous raw materials. Can you describe how the packing system contaminates the bottled watter? Do you have some figures on how much energy it takes to filter and bottle water en masse as compared to the number of small processors or a city scale one it would take for the same volume? Dangerous is what ways and to what/whom? We are fools as a society, we buy the international companies bright ideas as tab bottled. I know many bottling facilities and all of them bottle tap water or well water, and label them with pure mountains and glaciars, bullshit. And consumer buys and buys. A pity, but that is the way the things are. Not all companies do that. The one I linked near the start of the thread uses a capped spring. The water comes up naturally and flows to a pool that is then used to feed the bottling plant. There is a mountain in the background of the logo, the facility sits in a valley at 3400feet between 7000ft mountains (I am 10 miles from the site in the same valley) I agree a lot of bottling companies are little more then flim flam artists. Is there any kind of legislation we can request that will help? - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water On 8/5/07, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeromie, To my question: Isn't it possible to purify water by reverse osmosis, or whatever, on a small scale so that people can have good drinking water in their own houses/apartments/places of work? You answered: Yup that is possible. I have seen and used a number of small water purifiers .. Thanks for the reply As for the rest, I'm baffled. (I admit to falling for tongue-in-cheek humor here in the past.) I'm also not the best at getting my ideas and thoughts across the way I mean. At $1 - $3 for half a liter of bottled water wouldn't the price of filtration quickly pay for itself ? Depends on how much you drink. The small systems are in the $500 range. When I buy water its $1/bottle and I only do 50~75/year. I make a lot of tea and it is all with tap. Exactly! A family of four then, would consume 200 -300 bottles a year. The system pays for itself in about 2 years. The fact that you use tap water to make your tea suggests that your tap water is at least tolerable. I have a family of 4. My children do not get any where near that much bottled material. They get 1 each per weekend when we do trips. We make a gallon of tea, juice, lemon aid, or such and reuse the bottles for them. For us (well mostly me) I drink what we take along. My wife buys 15~20 bottles a month, mostly on the weekends. Shouldn't housing plans, whether for individual families or apartments, consider water quality and, if necessary, include water filtration units in the design? No, they should not, at least not only because the water might be poor. That is a business decision and something the builder has no need to do, unless they want to charge for it. The home buyer can have it build in if/when they want it, it adds VERY little to the price of the home. As for apartments that is a city responsibility, and the city should be held accountable for good water. In planning a house, an apartment building, even a shopping mall, one should not even CONSIDER water quality that is available. ??? In a house, the designer, builder, contractors, NO they should not unless the building owner wants them to. Why should it be the responsibility of anyone except the land owner, or the person commissioning the house? In a apartment building its up to the building owner. Do I
Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi
If it is 100% biodiesel can be the fuel filter. This device is clogged by some incomplete reacted portions of the oil. There are some proteins wich forms a gelatine around the filtering system. It is a common problem and can be solved in the biodiesel factory adding some products to precipitate proteins. If it is 20% blend there is a poor biodiesel manufacturing practice to save methanol or dirty oil being used and unproperly treated before reaction. - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi Dear All, I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel for 2 and 1/2 years, I find that the fuel filter begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts off. After coming to a halt, the car does not start again. After half an hour, the car restarts. Does any one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump? regards fox ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi
Right. I saw it transparent also like gelatine. Potato protein or animal protein, Animal is white. Depends on what was fried with the raw oil. Is it clogged with a whitish-looking gel? Andres Secco wrote: If it is 100% biodiesel can be the fuel filter. This device is clogged by some incomplete reacted portions of the oil. There are some proteins wich forms a gelatine around the filtering system. It is a common problem and can be solved in the biodiesel factory adding some products to precipitate proteins. If it is 20% blend there is a poor biodiesel manufacturing practice to save methanol or dirty oil being used and unproperly treated before reaction. - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi Dear All, I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel for 2 and 1/2 years, I find that the fuel filter begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts off. After coming to a halt, the car does not start again. After half an hour, the car restarts. Does any one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump? regards fox ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
Purify water with reverse osmosis? Friends, it strongly depends on what contamination has in it. Drinking water is far more complicated to produce than one step processing as reverse osmosis, electrodyalisis or simple or complex devices. Destilation is what mother nature do for us for free, then aireation in natural streams, simple isn´t it? I agree that packing systems contaminates too much, lots of energy and dangerous raw materials. We are fools as a society, we buy the international companies bright ideas as tab bottled. I know many bottling facilities and all of them bottle tap water or well water, and label them with pure mountains and glaciars, bullshit. And consumer buys and buys. A pity, but that is the way the things are. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water On 8/5/07, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeromie, To my question: Isn't it possible to purify water by reverse osmosis, or whatever, on a small scale so that people can have good drinking water in their own houses/apartments/places of work? You answered: Yup that is possible. I have seen and used a number of small water purifiers .. Thanks for the reply As for the rest, I'm baffled. (I admit to falling for tongue-in-cheek humor here in the past.) I'm also not the best at getting my ideas and thoughts across the way I mean. At $1 - $3 for half a liter of bottled water wouldn't the price of filtration quickly pay for itself ? Depends on how much you drink. The small systems are in the $500 range. When I buy water its $1/bottle and I only do 50~75/year. I make a lot of tea and it is all with tap. Exactly! A family of four then, would consume 200 -300 bottles a year. The system pays for itself in about 2 years. The fact that you use tap water to make your tea suggests that your tap water is at least tolerable. I have a family of 4. My children do not get any where near that much bottled material. They get 1 each per weekend when we do trips. We make a gallon of tea, juice, lemon aid, or such and reuse the bottles for them. For us (well mostly me) I drink what we take along. My wife buys 15~20 bottles a month, mostly on the weekends. Shouldn't housing plans, whether for individual families or apartments, consider water quality and, if necessary, include water filtration units in the design? No, they should not, at least not only because the water might be poor. That is a business decision and something the builder has no need to do, unless they want to charge for it. The home buyer can have it build in if/when they want it, it adds VERY little to the price of the home. As for apartments that is a city responsibility, and the city should be held accountable for good water. In planning a house, an apartment building, even a shopping mall, one should not even CONSIDER water quality that is available. ??? In a house, the designer, builder, contractors, NO they should not unless the building owner wants them to. Why should it be the responsibility of anyone except the land owner, or the person commissioning the house? In a apartment building its up to the building owner. Do I want a higher end apt with more features then the one down the block? Do i want a pool? A gated drive? Covered parking spots? Else wise, it is the job of the city. In a shopping mall or such, the same thoughts as the apt building apply, but the city water should be good enough. If it is not they should get the city to fix the water quality, that is the job of the city. This may sound odd, but before I made the major investment of buying a house I tasted the water. Not odd at all, I did the same when looking at houses that had wells. City water (here) I already knew the taste/quality. Why would you taste the water before buying/renting property? Would the quality of the water influence whether or not you signed the lease or bought the house? (Hence the value of the property.) To determine if I need/want to install a water conditioning system. The city water is good enough but some well water is not great out here. Also wells can have a pressure issue and I like high pressure showers. There was (is still?) an image associated with bottled water . it's somehow special and so are those that drink it. In view of what we now know, this is B.S. No? Nope, plain water is for poor uncultured people. Let me see if I get this right. Bottled water is very often tap water. Tap water is for poor uncultured people Bottled (tap) water is for special people This is not a simple case of image over substance? I was agreeing to the views that bottled water is some how better but generally
Re: [Biofuel] Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner
Can´t believe this, a complete bullshit. Does anyone in the american government know the second principle of thermodynamics? Seems not. I am sure that congressmen can´t understand such a complex concept but the others? The reputed universities in the country, come'on. This is a fake - Original Message - From: Bruno M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner The answer from Bush on Global Warming. ;-) Grts Bruno M. ~ www.theonion.com/content/news/addressing_climate_crisis_bush Addressing Climate Crisis, Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner June 20, 2007 | Issue 43.25 WASHINGTON, DCIn a nationally televised address reminiscent of President Kennedy's historic 1961 speech pledging to put a man on the moon, President Bush responded to the global warming crisis Monday by calling for the construction of a giant national air conditioner by the year 2015. www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Rising-Temperatures.article.jpg Concept art shows how the 800-mile-wide device would function on a high cool setting. Climate change is real and it demands a real solution, Bush said. Therefore, I am committed to dedicating all of the technology, all of the brainpower, and all of the resources we need in order to keep America cool and comfortable well into the 21st century. The National Air Conditioner Initiative is expected to be the largest public works project in the nation's history. Because technology capable of creating an air conditioner that can fulfill the cooling needs of a continental land mass does not presently exist, the president estimated that research and development alone will require at least $100 trillion in both federal and private sector funds. The challenge of building an air conditioner for all Americans will be the greatest we have ever faced, Bush said. But we must face it. We must act now to ensure that our children and our children's children can live in a world where they don't get sweaty and have to change their shirts all the time. While Bush's speech left many questions unanswered, such as whether the one-touch cooling settings would be under federal or state jurisdiction, reaction from congressional Democrats and Republicans has been largely favorable. I applaud the administration for finally taking this issue seriously, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. Such a giant apparatus means that Americans from all walks of life, not just the wealthy and privileged, will be able to get relief from the rise in the Earth's surface temperature. And it will create a great many jobs. Just removing and rinsing out the huge filter will require tens of thousands of seasonal laborers. Petrochemical industry leaders voiced early support of the plan, which would stimulate additional exploration and production of oil and gas to satisfy the machine's staggering energy needs. Some fiscal conservatives, however, decry the cost of the project and the gargantuan electric bills that would result, saying that a series of mile-high oscillating fans stationed in the Pacific Northwest and blowing in the direction of the jet stream would accomplish essentially the same thing and save billions. Conservative commentator Pat Buchanan expressed his concern that illegal aliens would benefit unfairly from the air conditioner, since many of them work outside, and questioned President Bush's ability to seal the nation's borders in order to keep the cool air in. Environmental groups like the Sierra Club have taken a tough stance on the president's plan, demanding it contain legally binding language that ensures the air conditioner will be switched to a special energy-conserving sleep setting when the country cools off at night. The White House has shown interest in an economy mode option that could be used in the event of a budgetary crisis, but it is still unknown whether such a massive unit would qualify for an Energy Star certification, let alone accommodate built-in money-saving features. The strongest opposition to the plan has come from Canada. Because the proposed National Air Conditioner would cover 90 percent of the state of North Dakota and face south, the U.S.'s northern neighbor would be directly in the path of superheated air expelled from the machine's back vents. Though Prime Minister Stephen Harper said this would create drought conditions and devastate their farmlands, most believe Canada lacks the clout to halt Bush's air-conditioning agenda. American air conditioner manufacturers, with whom President Bush reportedly consulted extensively prior to announcing the initiative, will soon be awarded tens of trillions of dollars to design and build the components necessary for the giant unit. Industry leader Lennox is expected to receive at least $30 trillion, including a massive
Re: [Biofuel] Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner
UH? Onion owned - Original Message - From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner LOL...it's The Onion, man...satire... - Original Message - From: Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner Can´t believe this, a complete bullshit. Does anyone in the american government know the second principle of thermodynamics? Seems not. I am sure that congressmen can´t understand such a complex concept but the others? The reputed universities in the country, come'on. This is a fake - Original Message - From: Bruno M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner The answer from Bush on Global Warming. ;-) Grts Bruno M. ~ www.theonion.com/content/news/addressing_climate_crisis_bush Addressing Climate Crisis, Bush Calls For Development Of National Air Conditioner June 20, 2007 | Issue 43.25 WASHINGTON, DCIn a nationally televised address reminiscent of President Kennedy's historic 1961 speech pledging to put a man on the moon, President Bush responded to the global warming crisis Monday by calling for the construction of a giant national air conditioner by the year 2015. www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Rising-Temperatures.article.jpg Concept art shows how the 800-mile-wide device would function on a high cool setting. Climate change is real and it demands a real solution, Bush said. Therefore, I am committed to dedicating all of the technology, all of the brainpower, and all of the resources we need in order to keep America cool and comfortable well into the 21st century. The National Air Conditioner Initiative is expected to be the largest public works project in the nation's history. Because technology capable of creating an air conditioner that can fulfill the cooling needs of a continental land mass does not presently exist, the president estimated that research and development alone will require at least $100 trillion in both federal and private sector funds. The challenge of building an air conditioner for all Americans will be the greatest we have ever faced, Bush said. But we must face it. We must act now to ensure that our children and our children's children can live in a world where they don't get sweaty and have to change their shirts all the time. While Bush's speech left many questions unanswered, such as whether the one-touch cooling settings would be under federal or state jurisdiction, reaction from congressional Democrats and Republicans has been largely favorable. I applaud the administration for finally taking this issue seriously, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. Such a giant apparatus means that Americans from all walks of life, not just the wealthy and privileged, will be able to get relief from the rise in the Earth's surface temperature. And it will create a great many jobs. Just removing and rinsing out the huge filter will require tens of thousands of seasonal laborers. Petrochemical industry leaders voiced early support of the plan, which would stimulate additional exploration and production of oil and gas to satisfy the machine's staggering energy needs. Some fiscal conservatives, however, decry the cost of the project and the gargantuan electric bills that would result, saying that a series of mile-high oscillating fans stationed in the Pacific Northwest and blowing in the direction of the jet stream would accomplish essentially the same thing and save billions. Conservative commentator Pat Buchanan expressed his concern that illegal aliens would benefit unfairly from the air conditioner, since many of them work outside, and questioned President Bush's ability to seal the nation's borders in order to keep the cool air in. Environmental groups like the Sierra Club have taken a tough stance on the president's plan, demanding it contain legally binding language that ensures the air conditioner will be switched to a special energy-conserving sleep setting when the country cools off at night. The White House has shown interest in an economy mode option that could be used in the event of a budgetary crisis, but it is still unknown whether such a massive unit would qualify for an Energy Star certification, let alone accommodate built-in money-saving features. The strongest opposition to the plan has come from Canada. Because the proposed National Air Conditioner would cover 90 percent of the state of North Dakota and face south, the U.S.'s northern neighbor would be directly in the path
Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!
I am affraid the pasteurization process is necessary because to eat untreated foods is DANGEROUS for humans. The larger the production scale the higher the risk. The living parts of foods are oftenly poisonous for us like bacteria. Thanks to god there is still a lot of vegetables we can eat in large volumes without processing and alive. There are alternative process to pasteurization, but still expensive for the industry to do it large scale. Anyway those process kill all. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds! I agree. what ever happened to natural food, soo many things these days are procesed, heat treated or altered from their natural state in some way or another. We are protected, inhibiting our own imunity from doing its job. I suspect that pasteurization could escilate the health problems by feeding humans dead food. One part of health is eating live food. I see this in the same boat as white bread, white flour, white sugar, white rice, etc. Foods need to be less procesed and offered in their natural states. Almonds also contain health promoting mono and polyunsaturated fats, that when heated to a hot enough temperature, degrade and turn rancid. Im sure that there are people out there that are also concerned about this. Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarding As of Sept 1, 2007, all almonds are to be pasteurized! Please take a moment to contact US Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns and ask him to use his influence to reverse this ruling. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 202-720-3631 Fax: 202-720-2166 Contact the Almond Board and let them know your thoughts, too. http://www.almondboard.com/utilities/FORMContactUs.cfm (209) 549-8262 This article gives a great overview on the issue. Thanks for taking action. Time is running out to save raw almonds. Even if you don't eat almonds, please speak up anyway. If there is a precedent for pasteurizing almonds, we may soon find more of our foods mandated for pasteurization. -S. The Almond Board of California, which oversees virtually 100 percent of the almonds grown and consumed in the United States and Canada, is now implementing plans to pasteurize all almonds at temperatures up to 158 degrees (F) and yet have them intentionally and falsely labeled as raw. The decision was made following the 2001 and 2004 outbreaks of salmonella in almonds, and is based on the intention of the Almond Board of California to provide a safe, nutritious product to consumers but not, it seems, an accurately labeled food product to consumers. Although it seems unthinkable to anyone familiar with the fundamentals of nutrition, the Almond Board fails to recognize any distinction between raw almonds and cooked almonds. In statements received by NewsTarget, the Almond Board explained that, raw almonds that have been pasteurized do not differ in any significant way from untreated raw almonds. Except, of course, for the fact that they are dead. Stating that live, raw almonds are the same as dead, cooked almonds is equivalent to stating that a living human being is the same as a corpse. Raw foods are widely understood by virtually the entire food community to mean food items kept below 108 degrees (F), beyond which the living enzymes in foods are destroyed. Pasteurization, in contrast, exposes foods to temperatures of up to 158 degrees for durations up to 30 minutes. (Faster flash pasteurization can involve much higher temperatures for shorter durations: 280 degrees (F) for two seconds, for example.) NewsTarget does not know the precise temperature that will be used for pasteurizing almonds, but it will without question be a temperature higher than 108 degrees (F), which means the almonds can no longer be considered raw by any reasonable person familiar with the definition of raw. Outcry from the raw foods community The raw foods community, not surprisingly, is alarmed at the new rules, which openly condone the false labeling of a food product. Dr. Gabriel Cousens, author of several top-selling books on raw foods and founder of the Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center in Arizona ( www.TreeofLife.nu ), told NewsTarget, This mandatory almond pasteurization is an effort by the powers that be to limit access to healthy food. It is a serious attack on people's ability to eat what they want and support their health. In this important way, it deprives us of our basic rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is a serious incursion of rights for a trivial and preventable reason, this being that the [past] contamination of the almonds was from a single source. The issue at hand here is not merely that all California almonds will now be sterilized, but that cooked almonds will be deliberately and
Re: [Biofuel] Fruit Trees
If trees seems to be strong and other like citrus are healthy, I don´t think is an infection problem. In fact when trees are infected fruit production is higher than usual, since it is a way to use chitin and chitosan to cheat the trees to yield more. I sustain that your problem is a temperature problem, you need something like 300 hours of cold weather or so for plums. - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fruit Trees Ok everyone, here's a bit more info . . . This evening I noticed dozens of dark, soft bodied insects crawling up the trunks of my plum trees. They're grey on the undersides, with segmented abdomens, and have rather pretty orange stripes on either side of their bodies. I watched some of these crawl out to the tips of the branches and begin sucking on leaves. I made another batch of soap mix and sprayed the trees again. (It's been raining and cool for the past few days, so the stuff I'd sprayed on earlier has likely washed off.) The insects die quickly when hit with the soap. (I don't like watching anything die, but I HAD to be sure the soap was working!) The plum trees haven't dropped any of their fruit, and while I was spraying, I noticed that they're vigorously sending out new shoots and leaves to replace the insect-damaged ones. I suppose I should take heart in this, as it's an indicator that my trees are fighting back. Of course, the new growth seems quite attractive to this variety of insect--which I believe is some form of aphid, given the appearance of their eggs and the fact that they're being protected by ants--so unless I can get the infestation under control, the insects have an ongoing supply of tender food! One of my clients works on a poultry farm. She asked if I'd be interested in some chicken manure. I intend to pick some of this up and let it compost over the summer. Perhaps I can mix it into my regular compost and apply it to the ground in the autumn. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fruit Trees
I think it is because you need a number of hours of the complete tree at cold temperatures. The average temperature an the temperature range are important. How many hours at the range below 5 ºC you have in your place? Peach and cherry needs many days at temperatures below 0ºC. As we are suffering global warming the temperature range possibly has narrowed in the area and that is the reason why this year in the southern hemisphere practically there are no apples and your garden no peach nor cherries. Cheers - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fruit Trees Why is it so hard to grow fruit trees? I grew up in a place where oranges, avocados, lemons and grapefruit trees thrived. I have fond memories of climbing the mango tree in my grandmother's back yard (this in Minas Gerais, Brasil) with my friend, Marcos, and eating mangos until we were drenched in sweet juice and practically sick of the flavor! I never remember insect infestations or fruit dropping like I experience here in BC! My cherry tree is losing its fruit again . . . I've done compost, dormant spray, crusher dust and insecticidal soap to limit pest infestation. I've watered this tree and carefully eliminated any competing plants from beneath its drip line. I've done the same for my plum trees, but most of their leaves are withered now and they look terribly sad. My pair of peach trees have blistered leaves, too! Sigh . . . The rest of my garden is looking really good thus far. But why can't I grow decent fruit trees? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pH meters
Why a pH meter Joshua?. Acidity does not makes sense in an oil phase. The right thing is to make a titration pH has no sense nor numeric sense in a non aqueous systems - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:35 AM Subject: [Biofuel] pH meters Hello, Im making some biodiesel and I'm having some difficulty finding a reasonably priced electronic pH meter to purchase so I can test the virgin oil and the resulting biodiesel. it would be appreciated if anyone with an answer or some knowledge in this area could steer me in the right direction. Joshua ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pH meters
I agree Jan you are right with the pH meter in this way for the biodiesel. - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] pH meters Yes, Andres Secco is right. If you want to determine the free acidity of the virgin oil, you should use titration. But if you want to determine the pH value of the finished biodiesel (which should be close to 7) a pH meter is handy. But the pH has to be measured in a water phase, e.g. 10% biodiesel in distilled water, Just make sure that you first let the biodiesel and water to mix properly and then separate compleatly after that. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] pH meters Why a pH meter Joshua?. Acidity does not makes sense in an oil phase. The right thing is to make a titration pH has no sense nor numeric sense in a non aqueous systems - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:35 AM Subject: [Biofuel] pH meters Hello, Im making some biodiesel and I'm having some difficulty finding a reasonably priced electronic pH meter to purchase so I can test the virgin oil and the resulting biodiesel. it would be appreciated if anyone with an answer or some knowledge in this area could steer me in the right direction. Joshua ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations
Think KIA besta is the best choice if there is a dealer in your town. I have been using a KIA with Biodiesel for three years and still works as new. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations I think your best bet is a Ford or Chevy. They are hard to find but worth the look. Joe Street wrote: Look for a mitsubishi delica. A buddy of mine just imported one with low miles from Japan. He loves it. Joe Luke Kareklas wrote: Hello All, I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler, Magician, and Balloon Guy. I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if this is a helpful bit of information. Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and it's come time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative fuels for years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle. I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or biodiesel system for me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton van, not really a minivan type of vehicle. Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will help ground me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I have to go buy a diesel vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, or Biodiesel fueling, right? Thank you very much. Luke Luke Kareklas *Luke the Juggler* *614-764-8010* www.LuketheJuggler.com http://www.lukethejuggler.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations
Far from that in Chile - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations Where are you located? I was assuming the US. If you are outside of the US, it'll be easy to find something. On 5/24/07, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think KIA besta is the best choice if there is a dealer in your town. I have been using a KIA with Biodiesel for three years and still works as new. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations I think your best bet is a Ford or Chevy. They are hard to find but worth the look. Joe Street wrote: Look for a mitsubishi delica. A buddy of mine just imported one with low miles from Japan. He loves it. Joe Luke Kareklas wrote: Hello All, I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler, Magician, and Balloon Guy. I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if this is a helpful bit of information. Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and it's come time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative fuels for years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle. I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or biodiesel system for me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton van, not really a minivan type of vehicle. Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will help ground me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I have to go buy a diesel vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, or Biodiesel fueling, right? Thank you very much. Luke Luke Kareklas *Luke the Juggler* *614-764-8010* www.LuketheJuggler.com http://www.lukethejuggler.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Think methanol price is strongly dependant of natural gas price which is linked to fuel prices. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof
Think is because acupuncture does not mean business for doctors and for pharma companies. Is too easy and extremely cheap and amazingly effective. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof For the same reason your insurance will pay for 300,000.00 heart transplant but won't pay for 100.00 course on how to change your life so you won't need the transplant. I am still left with a concern: if acupuncture really can be used in place of anesthesia, why isn't its use more widespread, particularly in western, or at least (US)for profit medicine? Kirk McLoren wrote: Freud was a principal player in denigrating hypnosis. Freuds teacher, Charcot, was a brilliant hypnotist. So follow the money. Who profited by removing hypnosis from psychiatry? Actually from all medicine. Who is the pharma money? What else do they own/control. Who profits from mandatory innoculation of newborns when it is recognized FACT that newborns cannot form an immune response and rely on mothers antibodies. Who pushed for formula babies - and now we see mothers milk is best, 10 IQ points etc as a minimum advantage. Same folks Bob. Dont place your faith in the manipulations of thieves and liars. Their track record is unchanged in generations. And there is plain stupidity too. Look at the crap Lister took because the med schools taught otherwise. I liked the quoteHalf of what we teach is wrong -we just dont know which half. Superior modalities go begging all the time. Thats why you have to direct your own health care. Kirk */bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I am still left with a concern: if acupuncture really can be used in place of anesthesia, why isn't its use more widespread, particularly in western, or at least (US)for profit medicine? As far as I am aware, malpractice insurance is the highest for anesthesiologists, for the reasons mention here before- sedating a person is a risky business. If you could achieve the same sedation without drugs and therefore side effects, the practice of medicine should be much cheaper, right? which means more profit right? Why don't we hear of more anesthesiologists using this technique? Or how about dentists. A little girl died in Chicago, due to negligence I presume, during a dental procedure conducted under anesthetic. Ever heard of a root canal done with acupuncture alone? Just curious Keith Addison wrote: could it be that acupuncture is just a very powerful application of the placebo effect? No, speaking from quite extensive experience of it in East Asia. But then I suppose that's just a testimonial eh? Actually my experience of it was two-sided, both personal and investigating and writing about it. It's not just mumbo-jumbo, it has a sound scientific basis even though Western (ie allopathic) medicine doesn't see it that way. Acupuncture was previously a part of Western medicine, it was used quite extensively in both Holland and Italy and probably elsewhere in Europe, until the onset of Big Pharma (plus unforeseeable side-effects). Uh, all those unforeseeable side-effects wouldn't just happen to be a very powerful application of the placebo effect either, would they now. actually some may be. The nocebo effect is well known. http://skepdic.com/nocebo.html * More than two-thirds of 34 college students developed headaches when told that a non-existent electrical current passing through their heads could produce a headache. * Japanese researchers tested 57 high school boys for their sensitivity to allergens. The boys filled out questionnaires about past experiences with plants, including lacquer trees, which can cause itchy rashes much as poison oak and poison ivy do. Boys who reported having severe reactions to the poisonous trees were blindfolded. Researchers brushed one arm with leaves from a lacquer tree but told the boys they were chestnut tree leaves. The scientists stroked the other arm with chestnut tree leaves but said the foliage came from a lacquer tree. Within minutes the arm the boys believed to have been exposed to the poisonous tree began to react, turning red and developing a bumpy, itchy rash. In most cases the arm that had contact with the actual poison did not react. (Gardiner Morse, The nocebo effect, Hippocrates, November 1999, Hippocrates.com) * In the Framingham Heart Study, women who believed they are prone to heart disease were nearly four times as likely to die as women with similar risk factors who didn't believe.* (Voelker, Rebecca. Nocebos Contribute to a Host of
Re: [Biofuel] 9/11--FIVE YEARS AFTER--PRESS FOR TRUTH
Thank you very much for highlight this extraordinary document. - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [Biofuel] 9/11--FIVE YEARS AFTER--PRESS FOR TRUTH 9/11--FIVE YEARS AFTER--PRESS FOR TRUTHMarking the fifth anniversary of 9/11, the media has provided extensive, though unfortunately superficial, coverage of this turning point in modern history. Among the consequences of that fateful day have been a bloody and highly unpopular war in Iraq, as well as a wasteful, unsustainable explosion of military spending to over $500 billion a year--leaving little or no funds to clean up the environment, stabilize the climate, green and re-localize the economy, maintain public health and education, and move the nation's food and farming system in an organic and healthy direction. Although the mainstream media has been predictably reluctant to delve into some of the glaring inconsistencies and gaps in the "official story" about what really happened on that tragic day, polls show that 40% of Americans have been doing their homework on the internet, and now understand that the Bush Administration's version of what happened on 9/11 is a big lie. An eye-opening, heart-breaking 90-minute documentary called "9/11 Press for Truth" was released on the internet this week, featuring expert analysts and family members of 9/11 victims who are angry and appalled at the continuing government and media cover-up. You can download this feature-length movie from the internet: WATCH THIS WEB VIDEO: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083q=press+for+truth http://www.911truth.org http://www.st911.org ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar ms rpido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
My god! , how reality change from one continent to another. Last month I almost had an heart attack when I saw my bill of $ 100 when spent 450 kw-hr. I live in chile a country with no nuclear power plants, only hidro and combined cicle power plants. Think you spent too much in electricity. - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG Hmmm. How do you get a small home like that to use such an enormous amount of electricity. The "average" home in Coloado uses about a quarter of that, and one with AC usually are only around 1,200kWh a month or so. Yes, 113 degrees and humid is pretty hard to deal with, but how efficient is her air conditioner? Are the window's well shaded. What color is the roof, and does the attic have a radient barrier and good insulation? What's the air leakage rate. Did she consider all of these factors when she bought the house? It's seems like she bought a hummer and is now complaining about the cost to buy fuel for it And contrary to the article, she does have a choice, if it's too expensive. California, in the IOU territories, actually has one of the better PV incentive programs in the state. Now, if she's using 3,100kWh a month, that would require about a 30kW array, which is too big to fit on most roofs. However, with some money put into insulation and efficiency, she could probably get completely off of PGE power with somewhere around 3 to 4kW array, which is the most common size going in in California PV power is generally around 25 cents a kWh levelized cost, and efficiency negawatts are even lower. Certainly better than 34.6cents when you hit the third tier of PGE pricing.If there was mention of her having considered the various options for reducing her utility bill, and complaining that she couldn't afford the up front costs of these (which is a legitimate barrier to more widespread acceptance), so was forced to accept her old inefficient stuff which has higher eventual cost, but no up front cost, then perhaps I'd have more sympathy, but to just whine that the utility is charging too much and playing the victim doesn't extract much sympathy from me. On 8/26/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.redding.com/redd/nw_local/article/0,2232,REDD_17533_4947248,00.html Electric bills give a shock PGE hopes credit will ease surprise over July statements By Scott Mobley, Record SearchlightAugust 26, 2006 Kathy Heath's July utility bill was as much as a house payment. Pacific Gas and Electric Co. charged Heath, of Palo Cedro, $801.03 to power her 1,850-square-foot home from June 22 through July 22. Her family of four used 3,184 kilowatts that month even though Heath made sure the thermostat was never set lower than 78 degrees. One of Heath's neighbors faced a PGE bill last month well over $800, and another's was around $900, she said. Heat stressPeople struggling to keep their lights on in the face of skyrocketing power bills can seek help. Here's where to look for a hand: • Seniors may call Golden Umbrella's Power to Seniors Program, at 223-6031. • Low-income residents may call HEAP, or the Home Energy Assistance Program, on Tuesdays, at 378-6900. • PGE and Shasta Lake customers may call the Salvation Army's CARES shutoff prevention program, at 222-2207. • REU customers may call the number on their utility bill and ask for the CARES shutoff prevention program. • Customers who have had their power shut off for nonpayment may call the Self Help Home Improvement Program on any weekday, at 378-6900, for help with back bills, reconnection fees and deposits. • Low-income households not meeting other agency's assistance criteria may call People of Progress, at 243-3811. "People around here are up in arms," Heath said. "But what can you do? If your long-distance phone is too expensive you can switch. You don't have that option with electricity." Heath and her neighbors are feeling PGE's stair-stepped rate structure, where the 2,112th kilowatt-hour is more than three times as expensive as the first 700 kilowatt-hours. Redding and Shasta Lake charge customers a flat rate no matter how much electricity they use. Heath's July electric bill would have been $288 in Redding and $368 in Shasta Lake. PGE is trying to help sticker-shocked customers like Heath. The San Francisco-based, investor-owned utility has
[Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar ms rpido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO
For me the white layer is non reacted saturated monoglicerides, diglicerides and fat. I made a second step sterification and the layer did not formed again. It seems that more yield is get with a two stage process (using 60% and then 40% of methanol and soda) than a single step one. That white layer is not formed with virgin vegetable oil. ;-) Cheers - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO The waste veg oil (wvo)I collect has three different layers after it settles. A clear (translucent) layer on top and a brown non-translucent layer - that doesn't want to filter - in the middle and then black solids on the bottom. My question is the middle brown layer. It seems - and I havent run enough batches to be sure - that the middle layer has water in it. Is it worth the energy - propane - to process it when you have to boil off the water? :-) Luke _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [DCBiodieselcoop] Police Check Point - fuel dye test.]
I thin that also contains a lot of Chicken Fat . - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [DCBiodieselcoop] Police Check Point - fuel dye test.] Howdy Hakan, the problem is my biodiesel is red :( , if I use a simple base catalyzed transesterification. My current source of wvo is from chicken processing plants, which apparently use red palm oil in the fryers. It is full of beta-carotene and is quite red. Interestingly if I use an acid/base method, the red fades to the usual dark straw color. The beta-carotene doesn't survive acidic conditions. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, They are checking if the fuel is colored or uncolored, the difference between taxed and untaxed farm fuel. I do not remember, but I think it is the farm fuel that is colored, in which case it will be no problems with biodiesel as long it is not colored red. Hakan At 19:29 12/04/2006, you wrote: What does this mean for homebrewers? On 4/12/06, *Eric Youngdale* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got this in my inbox this morning from someone I work with. He was on Rt 17 between US 50 and I66. I had an interesting stop at a police checkpoint this morning…the real gun carrying kind too! The signs read safety check as I approached it. All of the work trucks were being pulled over. They have these 4-5 times per year but I never knew why until today. Today the officer asked me if my car was a diesel. I told him it was so he asked me to follow the trucks for a fuel dye test. When I reached the next officer he told me that they were checking for farm fuel to make sure it was properly taxed. I started to get a little nervous because I am running B5 (although I buy it at a gas station where I hope they are properly taxing me). The next officer asked me if I would give them permission to check my fuel which I did. She asked me for my drivers' license and another officer stuck a long skinny plastic tube down in my fuel tank and took a sample. Once that was done they sent me on my way. I guess they will do the test somewhere else and let me know what they found. The trucks were getting weighed and stuff but that was not necessary for me. Anyway Eric make sure your paying your taxes on your biodiesel. I think they are going to send me some paper work and I'll let you know what is says when I get it. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group DCBiodieselcoop http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DCBiodieselcoop on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- So one may almost say that the theory of universal suffrage assumes that the Average Citizen is an active, instructed, intelligent ruler of his country. The facts contradict this assumption. —James Bryce (1909, 35) Read about stuff http://edubyaking.blogspot.com SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Small+business+financew1=Small+business+financew2=Business+checksw3=Washington+dc+areaw4=Business+financesw5=Small+businessw6=Washington+dcc=6s=135.sig=dUY3iTp_NO_mE9QvEt7Tig Business checks http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Business+checksw1=Small+business+financew2=Business+checksw3=Washington+dc+areaw4=Business+financesw5=Small+businessw6=Washington+dcc=6s=135.sig=VTM4QeLl-rHFWi1vWrgCfA Washington dc area http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Washington+dc+areaw1=Small+business+financew2=Business+checksw3=Washington+dc+areaw4=Business+financesw5=Small+businessw6=Washington+dcc=6s=135.sig=mfHa4A-5UyrJmvxWz3pBpA Business finances http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Business+financesw1=Small+business+financew2=Business+checksw3=Washington+dc+areaw4=Business+financesw5=Small+businessw6=Washington+dcc=6s=135.sig=8JSjD3JOmL5OJnW_mmxK7g Small business http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Small+businessw1=Small+business+financew2=Business+checksw3=Washington+dc+areaw4=Business+financesw5=Small+businessw6=Washington+dcc=6s=135.sig=KwaO_nP6bIXWHy7AC7o1bQ Washington dc http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Washington+dcw1=Small+business+financew2=Business+checksw3=Washington+dc+areaw4=Business+financesw5=Small+businessw6=Washington+dcc=6s=135.sig=sxLm23XDKMDueN-GtO0onQ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Build Soybean-Fueled Car
Can someone with a real broadband download this and leave it in a rapidshare or some place like that in order to download it. It is frustrating how slow is. --- Original Message - From: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Kids Build Soybean-Fueled Car pretty light on details. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/17/eveningnews/main1329941.shtml ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court
I agree with joe´s comment. Is the plain truth and so all over the civilized world were doctor title is a way to become rich. At least in south america is so. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] "Quackbuster" Busted in Court I agree Kim;Doctors are not in the business of health, they are in the business of treating disease.Joe Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar ms rpido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale
Dear Tom, The only way to KOH or NaOH to activate the Methanol is acting as a strong base. Without some water in the systemit doesn´t work. - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale Andres, Doesn´t the water poison the catalyst and give you saponification reactions? From: Andres Secco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:37:16 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale Dear Duarte, The basic reaction you are doing is a nucleophilic reaction were the methoxide replaces the glycerine in the fatty acid. So you get free methylstearates (if the oil have stearic acid). This substances called methyl-Stearates or Linoleates arethe Biodiesel. Now, I have some questions What kind of methanol do you use, absolut? Try using a 96% instead and add some water to it 20 ml. It must be ready for use in 1 hour and is far less toxic than the absolut. WhatI see is the following. The non reacted glicerine still have someunreacted portions whichact as emulsifiers and do emusify somepolar phase in the biodiesel. Once you separate the upper phaseadd more methoxide and separate again. Must be much clearer. Try rinsing with alkaline water too. snip ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar ms rpido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale
Sure, Thinkit is possible to buy it, ...but. Since sodium methoxide is a dangerous, toxic product which needs special warehousing, in restricted areasin some countries you may need a license to buy it. Even factories needs license to handle it and get that when demonstrates the proper training to operators. I prefer to have methanol and NaOH class 3 in the surroundings rather than class 4dangerous products. Class 3 and 4 refer to how dangerous are the products. This info is in the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) ofeach product. - Original Message - From: Dennis Mahoney To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale One thing I've never seen mentioned is using sodium methoxide from a company such as BASF. I am using it in lab work and find it very convenient. It is water-free and about 25% in methanol. Take a look at this web page http://www.basf.com/businesses/chemicals/alcoholates/biodiesel/index.html I do not know what the cost would be in the quantities you would use. Btw BASF is very large and it is likely to be available in many countries. Dennis - Original Message - From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale Hi all! Ive been trying (made 5 batches) to produce biodiesel in a laboratory, for educational purposes. This is what Ive been doing: - 1 liter of virgin oil from supermarket - 200 mL of methanol - 3,5 grams of sodium hydroxide - Prepared the sodium metoxide by stirring for 24 hours (magnetic stirrer) in an closed Erlenmeyer - Preheated the oil to 55ºC - Using a flask with an attached Liebig condenser (to prevent methanol vapors to escape), mixed vigorously for 1 hour maintaining agitation and constant temperature (eventually drops to 52ºC when the metoxide is added) and maybe rising to a maximum of 60ºC at some instants. I do get a clear phase separation after 24 hours, but my biodiesel isnt crystal clear. When I mix a sample of the unwashed biodiesel with water and shake it, the emulsion wont separate . It will after some hours, but with a lot of soap formation, widespread in the container. Im using good reactants (not p.a. but trustworthy) and anhydrous conditions. There one thing I should say: I never got all the sodium hydroxide to completely dissolve in the methanol. No matter how long I keep stirring, it simply wont dissolve quantitatively. But I do filtrate the remains of solid hydroxide. Do you think this can be the problem? How can I solve it? What can I be doing wrong? Why do I keep getting all this soap? Where do you think the problem might be? In a reactant? Bad quality oil? Do you think I should titrate the virgin oil? Thank you all for your attention Duarte Nuno ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar ms rpido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale
I would like to add that there is not a saponification reaction, is a condensation. Saponification produces free fatty acids (soaps) in the biodiesel reaction it produces methyl stearates. - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale Andres, Doesn´t the water poison the catalyst and give you saponification reactions? From: Andres Secco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:37:16 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale Dear Duarte, The basic reaction you are doing is a nucleophilic reaction were the methoxide replaces the glycerine in the fatty acid. So you get free methylstearates (if the oil have stearic acid). This substances called methyl-Stearates or Linoleates arethe Biodiesel. Now, I have some questions What kind of methanol do you use, absolut? Try using a 96% instead and add some water to it 20 ml. It must be ready for use in 1 hour and is far less toxic than the absolut. WhatI see is the following. The non reacted glicerine still have someunreacted portions whichact as emulsifiers and do emusify somepolar phase in the biodiesel. Once you separate the upper phaseadd more methoxide and separate again. Must be much clearer. Try rinsing with alkaline water too. snip ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar ms rpido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale
Dear Duarte, The basic reaction you are doing is a nucleophilic reaction were the methoxide replaces the glycerine in the fatty acid. So you get free methylstearates (if the oil have stearic acid). This substances called methyl-Stearates or Linoleates arethe Biodiesel. Now, I have some questions What kind of methanol do you use, absolut? Try using a 96% instead and add some water to it 20 ml. It must be ready for use in 1 hour and is far less toxic than the absolut. WhatI see is the following. The non reacted glicerine still have someunreacted portions whichact as emulsifiers and do emusify somepolar phase in the biodiesel. Once you separate the upper phaseadd more methoxide and separate again. Must be much clearer. Try rinsing with alkaline water too. - Original Message - From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale Hi all! Ive been trying (made 5 batches) to produce biodiesel in a laboratory, for educational purposes. This is what Ive been doing: - 1 liter of virgin oil from supermarket - 200 mL of methanol - 3,5 grams of sodium hydroxide - Prepared the sodium metoxide by stirring for 24 hours (magnetic stirrer) in an closed Erlenmeyer - Preheated the oil to 55ºC - Using a flask with an attached Liebig condenser (to prevent methanol vapors to escape), mixed vigorously for 1 hour maintaining agitation and constant temperature (eventually drops to 52ºC when the metoxide is added) and maybe rising to a maximum of 60ºC at some instants. I do get a clear phase separation after 24 hours, but my biodiesel isnt crystal clear. When I mix a sample of the unwashed biodiesel with water and shake it, the emulsion wont separate . It will after some hours, but with a lot of soap formation, widespread in the container. Im using good reactants (not p.a. but trustworthy) and anhydrous conditions. There one thing I should say: I never got all the sodium hydroxide to completely dissolve in the methanol. No matter how long I keep stirring, it simply wont dissolve quantitatively. But I do filtrate the remains of solid hydroxide. Do you think this can be the problem? How can I solve it? What can I be doing wrong? Why do I keep getting all this soap? Where do you think the problem might be? In a reactant? Bad quality oil? Do you think I should titrate the virgin oil? Thank you all for your attention Duarte Nuno ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar ms rpido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
You mean vanilla or vanillin? Commercially is also available ethylvanillin. Remarkable idea!!! - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release Greetings,We have found that real vanilla, mixed 1/2 1/2 with water and sprayed on skin is extremely effective against mesquitos here in Texas. It is possible to buy clear vanilla from Mexico so you don't stain your clothes. It also smells much nicer than bacon grease. Might help with the babe problem, as well.Bright Blessings,KimAt 08:08 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: BTW and this is a little off topic as well but while we're on the natural remedies subject I've also found that rubbing bacon grease all over myself and my tent is very effective against mosquitos when I'm travelling in bear country. It's not a babe magnet either :( It doesn't polarise fuel either:( I guess I'm not being too helpful. :(JoeMichael Redler wrote: One remedy for heavy metals does not a babe-magnet make.:-)MikeTom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike and All, I'm increasing my garlic intake. It seems that one of the compounds in garlic acts as a chelating agent for heavy metals. I don't know if it will catch mercury but it is supposed to be fairly effective for lead. Tom Irwin From: Mike McGinness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] To: Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:54:55 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release The mercury in vaccines and flu shots has been reduced 99.9% from what it was a few years ago (I researched this a few months ago for a recent booster shot) if you get the right supplier!! BUT, Ask to see the paper work first for the actual vial being used!! I found that out while dealing with the local County Health Clinic dispensing the Vaccines recently. Of course that begs the next question of what toxin they replaced the mercury with to keep the vaccine and flu shots sterile and presumably safe! Mike McGinness Margo wrote: Mercury seems to be in the vaccines as well, including flu shots. I don't know what the answer is, but there must be a better answer than some of the things we humans have come up with so far. I still think the natural food industry has a lot to contribute in this area. Young Living has some very interesting information in some of their latest studies. - Original Message - From: "Mike McGinness" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release In regards to mercury emissions from burning coal and my prior comments: I almost forgot the really big, big BIG issue. All silver colored dental fillings are currently still made from mercury amalgam metal alloy (50% raw mercury!!!) according to my local dentist Therefore, We are probably the single largest unregulated source of mercury emissions in the environment! Thanks to the FDA! Mike McGinness ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic water treatment
Greg, My experience is totally different and disagree with your concepts of no real proofs. There are thousands of cars, cooling towers and boilers running with magnets with very good results. Better fosil fuel yield no fouling are the reported results. Of course if someone wants to pasteurize or sterilize water is unlikely to do it with magnets. Magnets do not make miracles but say that there is a waste of time to use them is too much. - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic water treatment Mike, You have made a statement that really stands out as to how unreliable the science of magnetism really is. Ozone is now a proven technology for many things, including purification of water, while 30 years ago it was in the realm of junk science. Yet, after 30 years, magnets are still in the realm of junk science ( sounds good - maybe even possible, but no real proof ). One would think that thirty years would be plenty of time to establish the how and why it works and be accepted by the mainstream science community. Yet, magnets are still have not been proven by scientific trials. You mention trials by putting them on fuel pipelines, and watching the differences in the amount of wax build up, but, there is no proof in that. The amount of wax in fuel varies with the time of the year, and the particular fuel flowing through the pipeline.The same pipeline will handle ( in order of decreasing wax content ) heating oil ( Diesel #4 ), vehicle diesel in the summer( Diesel #2 ), vehicle Diesel in the winter ( Diesel #1 or a blend of #1 and #2 depending on how cold the area get's, that the fuel is going to ) and possibly kerosene depending on the area. A build up of wax that occurred when heating oil is being pumped through the pipeline, will dissolve when diesel #1 or kerosene is being pumped through the pipeline. Wax buildup is also more likely to occur during the late winter / early spring, time frame after a long period of cold temps have cooled down the soil that the pipeline runs through - granted, at the depth the pipeline is, the temperature difference would only amount to a few degrees, but, even a few degrees, can make a difference, with a increase or decrease in wax build up with the different fuels. Without controlling the variables, other that using or not using magnets, it is not a verifiable test, nor is it scientific by any means. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 18:25 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners andmagnetic water treatment SNIP These same magnets are sold for magnetic water conditioning. So is ozone, which has moved from the realm of sudo science in the USA 30 years ago, to a point now where it is used instead of chlorine in nearly 50% of US drinking water supply systems. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Dear David, Environment protection agency has been digging in a very serious way since 1972 and they have a complete report on all the work already made. Check this link. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm The general conclussion is they do not recomend a particular device. But if you carefully study the reports you will find the most interisting conclussions in diesel and gas engines. In all the reports there is a mileage increase and exaust emission improvement. However based on the study of a particular case, there is not possible to recomend nothing in a general way. Why? because there are too many engines in the road, different in size, weight, number of bangers, and so on. Lets say this : if you have a few million 1,6 liter engines made by 15 manufacturers, and get a reduction with the device of 10% in the consumption on two of the manufacturers, there is not possible to recomend it for all because the statistics. For a general conclussion the device must be tested in a significant number of manufacturers. So, EPA do not recommend because statistical significance. By the way, they never found a device which a worst performance than without the device. Big improvement or small improvement, but not the opossite. And that means statistically something. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners I'd like to see some real scientific information. Not web sites run by people selling magnets, real research. Like Bob Allen said, a peer reviewed journal would be nice. Where other scientists review claims and articles, and often times perform their own research to confirm results. Have *you* applied this and seen *any* increase in milage while changing *nothing* else? I don't mean to sound harsh, but the willingness of people to believe miracles of magnets seems overwhelming. They cure cancer, defeat gravity, energize fuel, reduce pollution, and make rainy days turn sunny. Not really, but there seem to be no end of people willing to pay good money believing such nonsense. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
I am so sorry to say that nothing you can eat will stop the heavy metals contamination if they are in your food or water. The reason why heavy metals content is limited in water and/or food to 20 ppm (parts per million)is the fact that Mercury or Lead (also others) accumulate in the organism and precipitate in the body tissues promoting cancer growth. In fact it is VERY dangerousto believe that are defended by such foods. - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release Hi Mike and All, I'm increasing my garlic intake. It seems that one of the compounds in garlic acts as a chelating agent for heavy metals. I don't know if it will catch mercury but it is supposed to be fairly effective for lead. Tom Irwin From: Mike McGinness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:54:55 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report ReleaseThe mercury in vaccines and flu shots has been reduced 99.9% from what it was a few yearsago (I researched this a few months ago for a recent booster shot) if you get the rightsupplier!! BUT, Ask to see the paper work first for the actual vial being used!! Ifound that out while dealing with the local County Health Clinic dispensing the Vaccinesrecently.Of course that begs the next question of what toxin they replaced the mercury with to keepthe vaccine and flu shots sterile and presumably safe!Mike McGinnessMargo wrote: Mercury seems to be in the vaccines as well, including flu shots. I don't know what the answer is, but there must be a better answer than some of the things we humans have come up with so far. I still think the natural food industry has a lot to contribute in this area. Young Living has some very interesting information in some of their latest studies. - Original Message - From: "Mike McGinness" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release In regards to mercury emissions from burning coal and my prior comments: I almost forgot the really big, big BIG issue. All silver colored dental fillings are currently still made from mercury amalgam metal alloy (50% raw mercury!!!) according to my local dentist Therefore, We are probably the single largest unregulated source of mercury emissions in the environment! Thanks to the FDA! Mike McGinness Michael Redler wrote: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:26:10 -0500 Subject: [renewable-energy] Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release Fellow enviros, For almost two years, we've been gathering hair samples from Greenpeace supporters across the country. On February 8, we released the results of our nationwide mercury study, http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/mercury-report and the results are alarming. Over *one in five* women of childbearing age tested above the limit the Environmental Protection Agency set as safe. The even more chilling news is that earlier this year in his State of the Union speechhttp://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=80ref_source=listsmercury to Congress, President Bush called for more energy investment in dirty fossil fuels, including coal, the largest source of mercury pollution in the country. Tell Congress that America doesn't need more coal and mercuryhttp://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=80ref_source=listsmercury to be spewed into our environment, our waterways and our bodies. A healthy, sustainable energy futures begins with increased investments in clean, renewable energy, not dirty fossil fuels. Best, Nick Greenpeace www.greenpeaceusa.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] == THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE RENEWABLE ENERGY LIST. -- . Please feel free to send your input to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Join the list by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. To view previous messages from the list, subscribe to a daily digest of the list, or stop receiving the list by e-mail (and read it on the Web), go to http://www.yahoogroups.com/list/renewable-energy . . This e-mail discussion list is managed by the American Wind Energy
Re: [Biofuel] KOH carbonated
Add 5 grams per liter of the KOH you want to test. You may titrate the stuff using HCl and any indicator as phenolftalein or orto-toluidin (from swimming pool test) and when solution changes in color you get or pass the neutral point and compare the quantity of acid used. But... I think and have the impression that purity of KOH is not so important. - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] KOH carbonated Titrate to what end point? Mike McGinness bob allen wrote: make two solutions of the same concentration with the good and questionable KOH. titrate against any standard acid and compare. JJJN wrote: Hello everyone, I just got 50 #s of KOH for next to nothing. It is in flake form but it is carbonated to some extent (unkown). I have some lab grade KOH that is near absolute also. Can anyone give me a complete procedure to make a comparison (Strength %) of one to the other? I want to know because if the one is 10% weaker than the other then I should be able to increase the weaker by 10% to achieve similar results. I understand that from this point I must still tweek some one way or the other. Perhaps my thinking is flawed in assuming the relationship is proportional and I should just use better KOH? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine
Dear Elad, Please check the following. Fo you have a source of animal fat or vegetable fat in a rate of five tons per day at least. Waste product the better. A stainless steel reactor 5 cu meters at least. I can advise you on some companis in maahle adumim were to find them Ethanol won´t be a problem. KOH neither. Electricity : at least 80 amps. Water treatment plant to treat the waste. If you can get all the above I can help you to do your own biodiesel. Regards - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine Yah. One really good idea. Help him build a business/plant step by step via the internet. Bring him into the conversation, take inventory of his site and available materials and back him up whenever he's ready to put wrenches to fittings. Todd Swearingen Keith Addison wrote: Does anyone have any good advice for Elad Orian? Respond direct or (better) discuss onlist - I gave him the list archives link so he can follow any onlist discussions (or join). I think there are many projects similar to what he envisages, and it would be good to hear about them. Best Keith Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:37:11 +0200 From: Elad Orian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bio-Diesel in Palestine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Journey to Forever, my name is Elad Orian and I am an Israeli peace activist. Together with a Palestinian partner from the west bank we have envisioned the construction of a medium sized Bio-Diesel production plant (starting from around 1000 liters a day) at the Palestinian village of Bil'in. The village has been the center and the symbol of the joint Palestinian-Israeli struggle against the construction of the separation barrier that Israel is building and land confiscation and we felt that in order to take the cooperation to the next level we need to start positive constructive work. The Bio-Diesel option came naturally as an environmentally friendly, community supporting and economically sustainable enterprise. We wish to build a production system with the following characteristics: 1. environmentali sound 2. locally built 3. long lasting 4. growing capacity 5. efficient Your site is the most comprehensive and accesible information source on the web and I was hoping to hear from you whether you know of any other initiatives with similar characteristics (i.e. in between backyard producers and full scale corporate factories) I could contact to learn from and maybe even visit. many thanks indeed, elad orian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet
I make my own biodiesel using the waste oil of french fries from the city. I have my own factory so I am free to use the facilities. Usual batch is 400 liters. I do not claim that my quality is premium, but have improved over the months. And is very cheap too, my cost is below 20 cents a gallon. I will start to experiment with the E85 soon for the other vehicles. Andres - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Internet What are people who make there own biodiesel? I would think of them along the same mentality as the original hackers. Loosely put, people who were not happy with the status quo and decided to take matters into their own hands. Jeromie Reeves Chandan Haldar wrote: Exactly the whole point of the definition in the hackers dictionary. Thanks, Jeromie. Anyway, I can't pretend to be a hacker (however honorable the true meaning of the term may be). Sorry to disappoint all hoping to meet a Matrix character in real life. Chandan Jeromie Reeves wrote: Do not forget the difference between hacker and cracker. The news would have us all think that all hackers==crackers but that simply is not true. The term Hacker first meant a person to did there own computer work (more or less but absolutely with no crime) and crackers were hackers who also did criminal acts. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Dear all, Magnets are being offered through spam e-mail and its has been so since early '90 ties. The professional use of magnets is very wide. My experience in industrial cooling towers, boilers and engines is very possitive and in some cases have it documented. How it works? This is the link http://www.tinet.org/~sje/mag_fuel.htm There are many suppliers of those small devices for passenger cars and at lower prices os 20 bucks, but the real magnets cost much more than thant. Check this link http://www.magnetic-innovations.co.uk/ I remember scientific information related and will post soon, if I can find it over the net. Andres - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners Andres Secco wrote: All will depend on how strong is the magnet. With 6000 gauss or more settled in the gasoline inlet will be enough to get good results on the gas efficiency. Also engine runs much better. Polarization of different materials including boilers fuel, gasoline engines, cooling towers and diesel engines has been extensively studied and the results are VERY scientific and very good. There is a big industry behind the applications. I have been using magnets for different purposes for years. Andres Do you have some kind of reference for this? I'm quite confused what polarization of fuel means and how or why it would make combustion either higher temperature or more efficient. A google search on magnetic polarization diesel fuel produced no results from anybody who wasn't selling magnetic products that discussed any benefits on the first two pages of results. Pointers, please. Inquiring minds want to know. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
All will depend on how strong is the magnet. With 6000 gauss or more settled in the gasoline inlet will be enough to get good results on the gas efficiency. Also engine runs much better. Polarization of different materials including boilers fuel, gasoline engines, cooling towers and diesel engines has been extensively studied and the results are VERY scientific and very good. There is a big industry behind the applications. I have been using magnets for different purposes for years. Andres - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners Howdy Russel, R Heron wrote: Hi Tim At 50 pounds currency and 36 grams weight for the magnets it is definitely a rip off but polarization is not with out scientific merit. do you have data to support this claim? How do you polarize the fuel, a hydrocarbon with essentially no dipole moment? Highly polarized fuel will combine with air better with obvious results but a 36 gram magnet would not polarize much fuel. Russel - Original Message - From: Tim Hadland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners Been approached by someone selling these from this company: http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm I am no physics expert, so are these products a complete con ? cheers Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel
Andrew, Ethanol and Biodiesel are totally different substances and have completely different applications. Biodiesel works in engines with a compression ratio over 50, like most of diesel engines. Explossion in the engine occurs because a temperature/pressure ratio (the diesel cicle). Ethanol/Gas blends and ethanol alone are used in the lower compression ratio engines tipically 10. The explosion occurs because a spark plug initiates the cicle. There are not engines which can use either ethanol and Biodiesel. Ethanol may explode way before the right moment in the high compression diesel cicles and Biodiesel do not have the flash point enough for a low compression engine. - Original Message - From: Andrew Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel I would welcome correct where due if I'm wrong, but vehicles currently being marketed (barring FFVs) aren't fully suited to either ethanol or biodiesel. With ethanol, there are the dual issues of not enough compression in a standard gas engine to make the most of ethanol, and corrossion issues in the fuel system as well with some materials. I believe low-temperature starting may also be an issue. With biodiesel, there is the issue of the fuel acting as a solvent and corroding rubber gaskets and seals in the fuel line (when run at high concentrations or as B100). Admittedly, this is only one issue, but is still a serious one. Overall, however, is the fact that the vast majority of personal vehicles (in North America, anyway) run on gasoline. Our diesel offerings are pretty limited in terms of passenger vehicles (ie., excluding pickup trucks and other work vehicles). While I believe biodiesel is a great for the transportation industry (buses, trucks, trains, off-highway equipment, etc.) its penetration into the consumer market is limited by the penetration of the diesel. Oh, one last point... the media may be driven by the fact that ethanol directly helps agriculture. Yes, biodiesel does as well, but the ethanol/corn relationship is being heavily marketed, at least every time I hear about vehicular ethanol. Andrew Netherton On 2/3/06, anna b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious as to why ethynol has dominated the recent discussion in main stream media of alternative fuels. The way I see it biodiesel is already available as are diesel cars to use it. Does anyone know of any studies that compare the cost and environmental impacts of ethynol vs biodiesel? Anyone have any knowlege as to why ethynol totally dominates the discussion in the main stream media? Thanks! Anna __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel
Clarification, Diesel engines compression ratio caries from 14:1 to 24:1 depending on he engine designer and the kind of engine. One for heavy work uses a higher compression ratio like trucks or heavy machinery, but those for electricity generation uses a lower compression ratio. When I tiped 50:1 I thought is was 20:1 sorry for the confussion. - Original Message - From: Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel Andrew, Ethanol and Biodiesel are totally different substances and have completely different applications. Biodiesel works in engines with a compression ratio over 50, like most of diesel engines. Explossion in the engine occurs because a temperature/pressure ratio (the diesel cicle). Ethanol/Gas blends and ethanol alone are used in the lower compression ratio engines tipically 10. The explosion occurs because a spark plug initiates the cicle. There are not engines which can use either ethanol and Biodiesel. Ethanol may explode way before the right moment in the high compression diesel cicles and Biodiesel do not have the flash point enough for a low compression engine. - Original Message - From: Andrew Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel I would welcome correct where due if I'm wrong, but vehicles currently being marketed (barring FFVs) aren't fully suited to either ethanol or biodiesel. With ethanol, there are the dual issues of not enough compression in a standard gas engine to make the most of ethanol, and corrossion issues in the fuel system as well with some materials. I believe low-temperature starting may also be an issue. With biodiesel, there is the issue of the fuel acting as a solvent and corroding rubber gaskets and seals in the fuel line (when run at high concentrations or as B100). Admittedly, this is only one issue, but is still a serious one. Overall, however, is the fact that the vast majority of personal vehicles (in North America, anyway) run on gasoline. Our diesel offerings are pretty limited in terms of passenger vehicles (ie., excluding pickup trucks and other work vehicles). While I believe biodiesel is a great for the transportation industry (buses, trucks, trains, off-highway equipment, etc.) its penetration into the consumer market is limited by the penetration of the diesel. Oh, one last point... the media may be driven by the fact that ethanol directly helps agriculture. Yes, biodiesel does as well, but the ethanol/corn relationship is being heavily marketed, at least every time I hear about vehicular ethanol. Andrew Netherton On 2/3/06, anna b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious as to why ethynol has dominated the recent discussion in main stream media of alternative fuels. The way I see it biodiesel is already available as are diesel cars to use it. Does anyone know of any studies that compare the cost and environmental impacts of ethynol vs biodiesel? Anyone have any knowlege as to why ethynol totally dominates the discussion in the main stream media? Thanks! Anna __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman
