Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Doug Turner]

Hello All,

  I'd like to take a moment to echo the general sentiment here.  Although I
have not contributed very much to the list, I have read and followed-up on
many of the items that have been posted here over the years.

  I am grateful for the time, effort and thought that have gone into keeping
the list active.  Thank you all very much for your offerings, it is/was
appreciated and will be missed.

  Doug
   (in Hamilton, Canada)



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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

i, for one will be sorry to see the list go. I, too am an old bastard, that
wants a safe, clean world.
 I try to live softly on this planet, & feel I try to help my fellow man.

 I also wish to thank Darryl & Keith for the time spent on keeping this list
active. 

 I for one, hope that the politicians of this world wake up to the needs of
our planet.
 I am sure they do not realise we live in a closed loop, so every action has
a consequence for future generations.

 Good luck to all in the future.

Thanks to all,
Doug
(in Northern  NSW, Australia)


On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:42:18 -0800 (PST) Chip Mefford  wrote:

> It has been many years now since Keith passed. 
> 
> As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here and even 
> that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff posted elsewhere.
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the 
> subscriber's list if anyone wishes to continue this work.
> 
> As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on my 
> mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post 
> ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted).
> 
> As of 20170101, the list will shut down.
> 
> The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as those 
> responsible for them decide to take some other action.
> 
> Please take these few days to make your farewells.
> 
> So long
> and thanks for everything.
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[Biofuel] Renewable energy storage

[Doug Turner]

Found at:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/technology/science/new-material-raises-hopes-
for-cheap-renewable-energy-storage/article29389597/ 
 
It looks like the B-movie version of what you expect to find in a
scientist's lab: An emerald green liquid that turns into a brownish gel as
more ingredients are added.
Yet, this colourful goop, developed at the University of Toronto, does
something that researchers say could make it a real-life blockbuster. When
spread on a strip of metal and subjected to an electric current, it can
break apart molecules of water at about three times the rate and far more
cheaply than any substance currently available. If its effectiveness proves
long lasting, it could pave the way for a new and commercially attractive
method for storing renewable energy.
"This is an amazing material," said Bo Zhang, a visiting researcher from the
East China University of Science and Technology in Shanghai and the lead
author on a paper describing the material, published online Wednesday by the
journal Science.
Working with colleagues in Toronto and elsewhere, Dr. Zhang was able to
develop the gel and verify its potency as a catalyst for breaking down water
(H2O) into hydrogen and oxygen.
The key element in the process proved to be tungsten, a relatively cheap and
abundant metal. The tungsten doesn't split the water itself, but its
presence in the catalyst changes the properties of the other ingredients,
specifically an iron-cobalt oxide, enabling it to split water more easily.
What's more, Dr. Zhang said, the material can be made at room temperature,
unlike many catalysts. Once made, it can be applied easily, like a paste.
This suggests the material could spur the development of water-splitting
technologies at industrial scale. In such a process, the oxygen molecules
that are created as byproducts are typically released into the atmosphere
while the hydrogen is stored. When later recombined with oxygen, in a fuel
cell for example, the hydrogen can be used to generate energy.
The advantage of this scheme is that it can take electricity that is
produced by renewable but intermittent sources, such as solar and wind, and
convert it into a form of energy that can be stored indefinitely for later
use.
The storage conundrum has long bedevilled the renewable energy sector.
Battery technology has not yet provided an inexpensive and long-lived means
of storing electricity in large quantities.
"It's an unsolved problem at the moment and we don't really have
commercially compelling solutions," said Edward Sargent, a professor of
engineering at U of T and the senior researcher involved in the work.
The new material could improve the situation significantly, by making
hydrogen more viable as an energy-storage option. It is one of the first
tangible results to come from a research program Dr. Sargent leads in
bio-inspired energy that is sponsored by the Canadian Institute for Advanced
Research (CIFAR).
One of the program's goals is to achieve energy solutions by drawing on the
example of natural systems. Water splitting is one such solution, which
plants routinely perform with high efficiency as part of photosynthesis.
The catalyst required more than a year of development during which the team
started with the idea, based on earlier research, that a tungsten-infused
material might yield good results. What followed was a series of steady
improvements guided by theoretical predictions of how water would interact
with different versions of the material.
Through the CIFAR program, Dr. Sargent was able to enlist colleagues at
Stanford University who performed the theoretical work. The microscopic
behaviour of the material was studied by bombarding it with a beam of
high-energy X-rays at the Canadian Light Source in Saskatoon and another
facility in China. A particle accelerator in the U.S. was used to verify the
material's structure at atomic scales.
Splitting a water molecule is a four-step process in which the limiting step
is typically the division of the hydroxyl (OH) radical. The researchers
found the tungsten-based compound managed to even out the energy required by
each step, which made the entire process more efficient.
"This work highlights the wonderful surprises that emerge when we ask
different metals to work together. The outcome is that they show remarkably
high efficiencies with abundant and inexpensive metals," said Curtis
Berlinguette, an expert in energy storage and catalysis at the University of
British Columbia who was not involved in the work.
Dr. Berlinguette added that the next challenge for the U of T team would be
to demonstrate that the new material can sustain years of use as a catalyst,
a necessary step on the way to developing a commercially sustainable
technology.
Dr. Sargent said that so far the material had shown no sign of degrading
after 500 hours of testing and he was optimistic that it would be robust
enough to last for years. The team found no sign of metals leaching from the

[Biofuel] Welcome Back Darryl

[Doug Turner]

Hi Darryl,

  I know I don't contribute much to this listserve but I really do appreciate 
your efforts towards helping us stay informed.

Take Care,
 Doug Turner,
  Hamilton, ON

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Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.

[Doug Turner]

Chip,
Ditto, I read virtually everything that gets posted but seldom reply as I do
not have much to contribute at this moment in time.  Nevertheless, I would
miss the list if it were to disappear.
Doug Turner,
Hamilton, ON, Canada

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Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list

[Doug Turner]

Message received in Ontario, Canada.
Doug

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- [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-
- boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Chip Mefford
- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:55 AM
- To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
- Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
-... 
- I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show
- all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly.
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Re: [Biofuel] This Year's Garden

[Doug Turner]

Hi Robert,

  Please send our Southern Ontario summer back home where it belongs.  We
don't like this summer swap here (but you can keep the humidity and the
howler monkeys if you like).  Glad you enjoyed it.

Doug in Hamilton



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Hello everyone!

With all the grim news associated with the economic downturn, with
all the howler monkey nonsense going on with respect to health care
reform in my country, it's a real pleasure to get outside and work with
plants.  After a long and bitterly cold winter, through which many of
our outdoor plants did not survive, we had a very wet spring, followed
by the hottest, driest June on record.  In early July, our faithful
compost-enhanching bunny died, so now the only manure that goes into the
compost is what I bring up the hill from the horse barns.

 Our fruit trees did astonishingly well this year.  The cherry tree,
which normally drops the majority of what little fruit it produces, was
absolutely laden this season.  We picked cherries endlessly, it seemed,
and they were the sweetest and juiciest cherries I've ever eaten!
(Plenty for the birds, too!)  The same has been true of our apples and
plums.  We've had so little trouble with aphids on our plum trees, this
is the first year I've not sprayed soap on them to control an infestation.

We had better than 2 weeks of temperatures in the high 30's and low
40's in July.  It was humid and miserable here, but the plants seemed to
take it all in stride.  Our garden produced enough to keep two of our
neighbors, two of my sweetheart's friends, my in-laws and my own family
in fresh vegetables and fruit all summer long.  We had HUGE blackberries
and monster, hydra-headed sunflowers that towered nearly 4 meters in
height.  (One of those plants had 18 flowers on a single stem!)  It's
curious how cross-pollination works.  This is the first year we've had
multi-headed sunflowers in our garden.

 Not everything did well.  I can't seem to grow melons to save my
soul.  We've had NO squash this year, and our grape vine didn't flower.
Also, though we've had some of the sweetest maize I can remember, we
wound up with an earwig infestation and most of the cobs we pulled off
were not completely formed.  They tasted good, though!

So, I hope the rest of you who grow things experienced similar
success.  We've already started taking our garden out.  I'm going to be
composting the trees before they lose their leaves.  We're expecting an
El Nino winter, which means lots of rain and little in the way of snow.
I'm already thinking about NEXT year's garden.  Howler monkeys
notwithstanding, isn't that optimistic?


robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
The Long Journey
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
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Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil

[Doug Turner]

Hi Tom,

  Perhaps Roger is partially or completely colour blind.  As part of the 7
to 10% of the male population that is colour blind, I fully understand
wanting, or rather needing, to use a pH meter.  Most titration indicators
rely upon colour changes I find that are difficult to detect, at least with
any accuracy.  I would be interested in finding out if there are any other
options, other than a pH meter or a titration test, for determining the pH
of a solution.

  Doug Turner,
  Hamilton

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Roger,
  Freshly opened 55 gal drums of methanol usually are good.
By the time you get to the bottom of barrel there is often water present due
to condensation. As the level drops   more air space. Moisture in air
drops out    over time methanol acquires water. Batches have more soap.

 I just picked up some peanut oil. I'll try a test batch to see if I
have any problems.

 You'r insistance on using the pH meter  ???   Because you have one?
   or is it   titration fear?

Phenolphthalein solution (dissolved in alcohol) turns from clear magenta
at the pH range suitable for transesterification, making it suitable for
determining any adjustments that must be made to the WVO we want to convert
to BD.
As Ken has pointed out, pH meters and pH paper are good for determining
the pH of aqueous solutions, but not so for oil.


Tom
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That is what I was looking for.  I was following the recipe to the 'T'
and was wondering where I was going wrong.  Anything is possible.  The
methanol came from Quaker City Chemical in a 55-Gal Drum, 99.9%.  I
opened the drum, removed 2 liters with a new, unused pump, then sealed
the Nalgene containers and the drum back up.  I assumed it would be
water-less, but I may have missed something.  Suppose there is water in
the drum - does that make it useless?  Any way to fix that?

I used a name brand oil from the grocery store (not sure now what it was
now.)  That shouldn't be the problem.
I'll buy the yellow Heet bottle and try again.

In the meantime, I'll practice titration with my pH meter and find some
phenolphthalein to try as well.  I thought the pH meter would be easy to
use and just as good but I'm not familiar with using one - so training
my be necessary.  I also don't have the calibration solutions yet
either.  Working for a surplus lab equipment company, we get all kinds
of neat stuff - but more often than not it's not all there and that is
even if I know what it is.

The peanut oil I have came from Costco in the big jug. I used half for a
turkey and figured it would be worth trying out. That'll be next.

Thanks for your help,
Roger



Thomas Kelly wrote:
 Roger,
   I'm stumped by the third photo. Why so much soap when you used new
 veg
 oil.
   I'm surprisd it separated at all.
  You are certain the methanol is dry?

  Soap forms when there is water contamination.
  Soap forms when Free Fatty Acids are present.

 Ken P. responded to you on March 31:
 It's ALWAYS a good idea to titrate, even virgin oil. Many oils,
 including palm and olive (don't know about peanut) have high FFA levels as
 typically sold.

  The reason for using new, unused veg oil of our first test batches is
 to decrease the number of variables we are dealing with. It is best to
 avoid
 titration until you get the basic process under your belt. It is assumed
 that new oil doesn't have to be titrated. This may not be the case.

 Suggestions:
  1.  Pick up a container of Heet (brand of gas line antifreeze)  Yellow
 container,  NOT  Red.  (If it is available to you.)   ~ $1.50/300ml.
 (US).
 It is dry methanol.
  2. I did my test batches using a name brand corn oil. The people I have
 helped in my neigborhood have done the same. We had no problems with
 FFAs.
 Maybe you should invest in a bottle of name brand corn oil .   or is
 that what you already did?

 As for pH meters:  (Ken P):
 pH really only makes sense when referring to a water-based solution.
 Sticking pH paper or pH meter into biodiesel gives spurious results
 in most cases. I often measure the pH of my wash water as a check
 of how much lye and soaps may be left in the biodiesel, but never the
 biodiesel (or oil) itself.

  Get Phenolphthalein
  (dissolved in alcohol) for titrations.
  We'll deal with the mysterious peanut oil and with you WVO after you
 succeed w. the test batches.
   I'm now curious about peanut oil. I'll see about getting some and
 doing a test batch myself.
  Tom



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Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

[Doug Turner]

Tom:

I can understand how a keg full of beer could present a problem.  I'm sure
however that you will find some volunteers from this list to help you out.

Doug
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  Joe,
   I got a bit discouraged re: the distillation of ethanol.
   I have plans for making a reflux still out of a beer keg. I think it
will distill to 92 - 95% purity. A friend gave me a beer keg  .
problem: It's full of beer !!! Got to get a tap and empty it.

   I think your idea of a trap, containing zeolite, between the still
and the condenser is a good one. Vacuum would allow for regeneration of the
zeolite at temps low enough to be energy efficient and would not damage the
zeolite.

   How do we heat the trap?

   I'm at the beginning, middle, end of about a dozen projects  
some have stalled due to loss of interest    I've got to rally.

   Time to get back to it!  We should work together.  I really want to
get off the meth;)

   Ditto
   Maybe this little methanol price crisis will serve as a wake-up
call   ...

   Good to hear from you
   Hope you're on the mend
   Tom
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Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Making Methanol


Hi Tom;

I couldn't agree more.  I have always planned to attempt ethyl esters.
That's one of the reasons I went for vacuum as I understand the limits for
water are much tighter with ethyl esters production.  Don't forget about the
castor oil method for drying alcohol.  I got some castor oil to experiment
with but due to an injury I have been laid up for a while and haven't done
much.  Time to get back to it!  We should work together.  I really want to
get off the meth;)

Joe

Thomas Kelly wrote:

Kurt,
 Thanks for the info.
 Doesn't sound like something I'll be doing at home.
 People get into producing their own BD for a variety of reasons
including the feeling that someone's (petroleum industry) got you in a vise
and can simply squeeze you at a whim. My concern is that methanol supply
could be the Achille's heal of BD production. It's still the main link
between BD and fossil fuels, and what compromises BD's carbon neutrality. I
wish I could make it/get it from a renewable/carbon neutral source.
 Jim's reminder re: ethyl esters may get me back to looking at ethanol
production.
Thanks again,
   Tom

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  It's possible, using the same process as rendering methanol from natural
gas, but as I recall some of their catalysts are pretty nasty. Takes a
good bit of steam, too, at least during certain portions of the process.

-Kurt

Thomas Kelly wrote:
 It appears to be difficult to make methanol from wood.

 Is it possible/reasonable to make methanol from methane gas?
 Methane gas generated from manure would make the methanol
produced from it renewable and carbon neutral.
   Tom




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Re: [Biofuel] was...was.. Bring loaded firearms aboard

[Doug Turner]

Naturally,the wooden fence will be build by an aircraft 
company. Please fasten your seat belts and ignore the lakes behind the 
curtain.

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  CantrellSent: September 22, 2006 12:13 PMTo: 
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  Bring loaded firearms aboardOh yeah? Well, the US 
  is going to build a freakin' 3,000 mile long fence along the 49th with 
  canadian lumber and Mexican workers!(Tongue firmly planted in 
  cheek)
  On 9/22/06, Joe 
  Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I 
understand that illegal handguns seized in Canada are for the mostpart 
traced to US sources.We need more border 
security.Perhaps weshould create a department of homeland 
security.Illegal weapons fromthe US are a threat to our 
national security. I move that we impose economic sanctions on the 
government of that country until they crackdown on the flow of handguns 
and other weapons that are leaking acrossthe border.The 
citizens of this country are being terrorized by the US as a result of 
these weapons.JoeAltEnergyNetwork 
wrote:snipDrive by shootings and gang killings hardly 
rate a mention in papers, yet in many countries like U.K, Canada, France and 
many others the death rate from firearm murders is a fraction of what it is 
in the U. S. Gun laws are much stricter and the result is much less 
slaughter. 
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  make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we 
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Re: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for pressure filter

[Doug Turner]

Hi 
Bud,

Do you 
have any details about constructing your centrifuge available 
online?

Thanks, one of many Dougs here.

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  pressure filter
  Aaron, My name is Bud and I'm new to this forum so I hope you folks 
  can give a little slack if I get out of line. 
  I have been using WVO for some time and had a lot of problems getting all 
  of the junk out, but water was the biggest trouble. I tried filters, 
  heating and settling and re-filtering with very little sucess. One day I was 
  talking to a friend and he kept saying "centrifuge". So I did some reseach, 
  asked a lot of question, some real deep thinking and desided to build a small 
  centrifuge and thenall of the problem were gone. Now it's just a one 
  function process. All that is needed is to use a fine kitchen screen as I 
  pourthe oilinto the machine, warm it up a little and the 
  centrifuge does the rest. It comes out almost as clean as new. I have been 
  using my centrifuged oil for more than 10,000 miles and have yet to change my 
  fuel filter. Therefore I don't think filtering is not the answer.
  
  Thanks for listening
  Bud
  
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 1:13 
PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Gov Auction for 
pressure filter

This may be good for cleaning used fryer oil.

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=897708



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Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics - in defence of

[Doug Turner]

Hi Robert

I'm afraid that I have to disagree your general dismissal of Levitt 
Dubner's book Freakonomics.  Not all of the book was particularly gripping
but I thought the book provided ammunition for both the conservative and
liberal camps.  The correlation between legalize abortion in the US and the
dramatic decline in some crime rates was controlled for other factors such
as increased police budgets, stiffer penalties, altered policing methods,
etc. yet Levitt was still able to attribute a large majority of the
diminished crime rate to legalized abortion.  For me, the argument clincher
was that several states legalized abortion before Roe vs. Wade and those
states had crime rates fall before the rest of the country.  The author even
stated that legalize abortion was clearly not the direct cause of a decline
in the crime rate.  Rather Levitt proposed that perhaps children who were
not rejected at birth by their parents are more likely behave in a socially
condoned manner.

Nor was all of the research in the book based strictly on correlational
analysis.  The section dealing with drug dealers who live with their mothers
was based on evidence obtained from some sociological fieldwork that
recovered a detailed set of accounting books and records used by a MBA grad
turned drug kingpin.

I do agree with you that most present day economists are in an extreme state
of denial regarding their relationship to moral issues.  That doesn't
necessarily mean that the analytical tools they have developed over the
years cannot be used for good.  The burgeoning fields of ecological and true
cost economics are two examples of the application of the statistical
economic tools being used to address some of the issues that concern many
people on this list.  I just hope that they hurry up and spread the word a
little faster, actually a lot faster.  You may want to check out this link
as a place to start
http://adbusters.org/metas/eco/truecosteconomics/economists.html

Doug

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benita rabello
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics


Darryl McMahon wrote:

There is an oblique reference to this in the archives.  I have just
finished reading the book, and recommend that people put it on their
reading lists.  (No time like the present to get on your public
library's waiting list.)



Yes, I think I'm the one who referenced it.  This is one of my
stockbroker sister's favorite books.

I thoroughly enjoyed the book, even learned a thing or two.  I was aware
of the gun-related items, but I had not previously made the crime rate
drop connection in the U.S. with Roe vs. Wade.


The causal relationships the author mentions are tangential, at
best.  I'm sure a correlation can be made with the drop in crime rate
versus GDP too.  In fact, I'll bet you could correlate a drop in crime
rate with the introduction of Viagra . . .

Nice piece of de-spinning work.  So many more subjects need more such
treatment.



It's a great book for NeoCons.

 From the epilogue:
But the fact of the matter is that iFreakonomics/i-style thinking
simply doesn't traffic in morality.  As we suggested near the beginning
of this book, if morality represents an ideal world, then economics
represents the actual world.



If only we had reliable numbers . . .  If only we could tabulate how
much it REALLY costs to rape the environment, destroy human life and
elevate the welfare of the wealthy over the welfare of the poor.  At its
core, morality IS economics, but the paradigm is upside down.

The most likely result of having read this book is a simple one: you
may find yourself asking a lot of questions.  Many of them will lead to
nothing.  But some will produce answers that are interesting, even
surprising.



Or entirely stupid.  Take your pick!

Sorry Darryl, but I'm simply NOT impressed . . .


robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
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Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics - in defence of

[Doug Turner]

Hi 
Mike,

 Yes, you are right. I should not have accused most 
economists of being in denial. I needed to be clearer. What really 
bugs meare those economists in the public eyewho make normative, 
positivistic statements about things that are really subjective matters of 
opinion. Both Keynesians andConservatives do so but I find the 
neoconsparticularly reticent to acknowledge that their anti-government 
faith/beliefprovides the theoretical underpinnings to most of their 
positions. I take issue withthose economists whoportray 
themselves as completely scientific and objective.Economists 
mustmake assumptions about the fundamental nature of human 
existence. A favourite example is the assumption that human beings are 
ration. There are clearlymany examples of when this is not true 
onat both the individual and societal levels. Nevertheless the 
assumption of rationalityremain generally accepted. Such assumptions 
cannot help but be biased by personal values yet they claim to be 
objective.
 If you are interested, a few years ago George Soros 
wrote an article called "The Capitalist Threat" in Harpers that touches on some 
of these issues. I recently re-read the article and was struck by the 
continued relevance of much of his argument.
 I should be clear that not all economists ignore these 
issues. It just seems that the ones who have a voice seem to gloss over 
the significant problems that exist within the field. Personally, I think 
that you are right about the public reaction to some economic research. I 
also feel that in many cases the public prefers to hear that there is a simple 
fix for incredibly complex problems. I'm just not 
certainthatthose pulling the levers recognise thatthe simple 
solutions may get them elected but they rarely solve the 
problems.
 Anyway, that's my $0.02. Now it's time to jump down 
from this soapbox.

 
Doug


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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Michael 
  RedlerSent: June 20, 2006 11:52 AMTo: 
  biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics - 
  in defence of
  Doug wrote: "I do agree with you 
  that most present day economists are in an extreme state of denial regarding 
  their relationship to moral issues."I would agree that there is a 
  detachment but, I'm not sure that it's denial. I mean, denial is a defense 
  mechanism, right?Have they become defensive or do they see a close 
  attachment tomoral issues as a leash which keeps their research 
  withincurrent moral boundaries.I want to be careful not to make 
  blanket statements because some economists may depend on moral issues because 
  it's within the scope of their research. Those who don't include those issues 
  (IMO) have grown accustomed tocertain methods and havecreated 
  their own obstacles in reaching their objective.Personally, 
  I'mequally interested in the public reaction to economists research. I 
  think the degree by which peopleinterpret research as a call to action 
  is a measure of howour culture submits to fear and hatred.
  
  ...my $.02
  
  
  Mike
  
  Doug Turner 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi 
RobertI'm afraid that I have to disagree your general dismissal of 
Levitt Dubner's book Freakonomics. Not all of the book was 
particularly grippingbut I thought the book provided ammunition for both 
the conservative andliberal camps. The correlation between legalize 
abortion in the US and thedramatic decline in some crime rates was 
controlled for other factors suchas increased police budgets, stiffer 
penalties, altered policing methods,etc. yet Levitt was still able to 
attribute a large majority of thediminished crime rate to legalized 
abortion. For me, the argument clincherwas that several states legalized 
abortion before Roe vs. Wade and thosestates had crime rates fall before 
the rest of the country. The author evenstated that legalize abortion 
was clearly not the direct cause of a declinein the crime rate. Rather 
Levitt proposed that perhaps children who werenot rejected at birth by 
their parents are more likely behave in a sociallycondoned 
manner.Nor was all of the research in the book based strictly on 
correlationalanalysis. The section dealing with drug dealers who live 
with their motherswas based on evidence obtained from some sociological 
fieldwork thatrecovered a detailed set of accounting books and records 
used by a MBA gradturned drug kingpin.I do agree with you that 
most present day economists are in an extreme stateof denial regarding 
their relationship to moral issues. That doesn'tnecessarily mean that 
the analytical tools they have developed over theyears cannot be used 
for good. The burgeoning fields of ecological and truecost economics are 
two examples of the application of the statisticaleconomic tools being 
used to address some of the

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

[Doug Turner]

Hi 
Doug,

I've 
used amixture of soap and isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) with good 
results. This mixture is a contact poison that only works while wet. 
That means you actually have to get the spray on to the beasties and repeated 
applications are usually necessary.I would suggest is that you 
reduce the liquid soap to about 1 to 2 tbsp (15 - 30ml) and add 1 cup 
ofalcohol - don't know if methanol will work. The alcohol helps to 
get rid of the hard bodied bugs;you know, the ones that work out 
regularly. Good Luck

 Doug

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  lres1Sent: June 19, 2006 9:27 AMTo: 
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  off topic
  Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my 
  precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used 
  tobacco and some soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? 
  Got sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
  
  Summary.
  1/ 1 gallon of water/juice extracted from 
  cigarette butts.
  2/ 1 cup of liquid soap normally used for 
  dishes.
  3/Mix, strainand spray on my 
  grape vine.
  4/ Do not do this in the kitchen with other 
  cooks present.
  
  Doug 
  
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From: 
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Finch 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question 
off topic
Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing 
tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. 
Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the 
buggies. The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they 
die. The plants don't care either way about the stuff. I do this 
on the roses that I have. Works great. Another thing that I 
have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts that my nieghbor had. He 
thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on his face when I asked him for them 
was priceless. I soaked that for a day then strained that. 
Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and was free. Smelled nasty but 
did the trick just the same. fred
On 6/18/06, JJJN 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 
Robert,I 
  was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one 
  cuplemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that 
  youhook on the end of a garden hose.At first I thought the 
  idea sounded good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills 
  the bad guyswhats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? 
  What do youthink?I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers 
  and it sure killed themand quick, but again that would not be the 
  entire goal if the productscrews up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I 
  knew more about bugs.Isuppose you may have some luck if 
  you can apply it in a way that was tothe single point missing 
  everything else.Jimrobert and benita rabello 
  wrote:Chris Lloyd 
  wrote:Some compost has virtually no 
  ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year with 
  the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It wassupposed to 
  be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, 
  smeltgood and will probably make a good soil improver but I 
  had to start adding chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps 
  the nutrients got washed out of itbut I'm going back to rotted 
  horse manure next year. 
  ChrisI've 
  found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to 
  kill weed seeds.This also kills all of the soil fauna, 
  which isresponsible for fertility.I made that mistake 
  once, and since thenI've relied on my own compost.My 
  trees are happier (though I'm STILL have insect and fruit 
  problems) and look far more lush than they have inthe 
  past.robert luis rabello"The Edge of 
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Re: [Biofuel] Hello and Question

[Doug Turner]

Tom,

   I have just started done the BD path with a few test batches using virgin
VO. My plan is to put the results into my furnace oil tank to burn next
winter.  I was wondering if, in your experience, there are any caveats or
other things that I should watch out for before adding my homemade stuff to
the dinodiesel already in the tank.

Thanks in advance,

Doug

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Joe,
 Welcome to the list.
 I'm in NY  ..we're  not quite neighbors.
 Don't wait to find a co-op or even someone who's making biodiesel. You
can do it yourself.
 At this time last year I was still reading; researching.
In July of last year I started doing test batches using virgin oil as
prescribed at JTF. Before summer's end, I had  sources for WVO, scaled up to
76 L batches, and with the help of list members, began to make quality
biodiesel;
not w/o a few minor setbacks. I now process 91L batches of WVO and run my
car and heat my house w. B100.
  I'm sure that finding someone who is already up and running seems like
the easiest way to go, but it's my opinion that you should crawl (read JTF
and re-read), and then walk (small test batches/learn quality tests/scale up
slowly) before you run.
  You're at least one step ahead of where I was .
you already have a car that will love BD.
  Best to you,
 Tom
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Subject: [Biofuel] Hello and Question


 Hi, I'm new to the list.  My name is Joe; I've been interested in clean
 fuels for years and have become very focused on biodiesel - I drive a
 Prius
 and recently my wife purchased a Jetta TDI and we are interested in
 finding
 a cooperative in our area.  Any Anne Arundel/PG County Maryulanders out
 there?

 I have a question.  There is an oft-repeated statistic that the use of
 B100
 reduces CO2 emissions approximately 78%, and from what I have read the
 vast
 majority of that reduction comes from the fact that the plants that
 biodiesel is derived from absorb CO2 as opposed to fossil fuels which do
 not
 do so, and that the actual tailpipe emissions are virtually the same as if
 the car was running regular diesel.  Am I correct here?

 If so, I have been called to task on another online community to answer
 this
 question: If the CO2 reduction number of 78% attributed to biodiesel is a
 result of the crops it comes from, does the 78% number assume that no
 crops
 would have been grown on the land if it were not being used for fuel
 crops,
 or is the 78% in addition to whatever crops were previously growing there.

 I hope my question is clear, thanks!!

 Joe


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Re: [Biofuel] way off topic

[Doug Turner]

Bob,
   One of the best places to check out the tides is the Hopewell Rocks in
New Brunswick.  If you can't make it there, then the tidal bore in Truro is
O.K (/Heresy a little dull really /heresy).  Myself, I loved the waterfront
in Halifax.  The Marine Museum of the Atlantic had some interesting
exhibits, particularly about the Titanic and the Halifax Explosion.  If you
are lucky there may be some tall ships in town as well.
   Have fun,
Doug

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mark manchester wrote:
 You were not specific, Bob, about what sort of advice you had in mind.

  I will only be in NS for about 4 days so I was looking for recommendations
on a few really neat
places that I ought to see. The only thing I want to see for sure is the Bay
of Fundy and the record
tides.



 Naturally, I have a daughter at university in Halifax (I have daughters
 everywhere).  Were you wondering about higher education, perhaps?

 But I must add to the advice of these fine men that you'll find lovely
food
 and scenery (they don't call it new scotland for nothin').  Highlands?
 Orchards?  Lobsters?  Breathtaking ocean vistas?  Within the city limits
of
 Halifax are TWO BIG FRESHWATER LAKES.  Bring a picnic, wear a hat.
 Cheers, Jesse

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 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] way off topic

 And watch you don't run into someone while driving.  Pedestrians rule on
 the east coast.  Cars will stop in front of you for no apparent
 reasonbecause a pedestrian shows a sign of wanting to cross.  I like
 that!  Enjoy your trip. The restaurant in the harbour where they moor
 the Bluenose II had great food when I was there but it was many moons
 ago
 If you have the ability to cook your own, go to the wharf and buy your
 lobsters directly from the fishermen (fisherpeople).

 Joe

 Mike Weaver wrote:

 Go through Lunenberg, and the state park (Kejimkijik or similar) in the
 middle is nice.  Last trip I just hugged the coast - it's hard to go
 wrong.
 I liked Halifax - particularly the Historic Properties.  Have a donair.
 There will fresh peas - they are wonderful.  The lobsters are also
great.

 It'll be a great trip.

 -Mike

 bob allen wrote:


 anybody from Nova Scotia? I am heading that way in a couple of weeks
for a
 family vacation and would
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Re: [Biofuel] who killed the electric car? hint: it was gassed

[Doug Turner]

They 
changed the name toThe Nohomers so they are a little harder to kept track 
of.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of John 
BealeSent: May 30, 2006 1:27 AMTo: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] who killed the 
electric car? hint: it was gassed
See, now I was taught that it 
  was the Stonecutters who held back the electric car.What about 
  that?-JohnOn May 28, 2006, at 9:30 AM, Kirk 
  McLoren wrote:
  Something even bigger than automobiles (solar thermal)was 
also killed. Mike MacCormack the senator from the state of Washington and 
former research scientist at Hanford got the "Solar Energy Demonstration 
Act" passed and I believe the aformentioned senator, also known by the 
nickname "Mr Atomic Energy", was very active in SEDAs implementation. The 
act basically placed such burdensome tests on solar products that only 
multimegadollar corporations could afford to enter the marketplace. Mr 
AtomicEnergy put an icepick into the heart of solar and to this date the 
industry has not recovered.KirkAltEnergyNetwork 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who Killed The Electric Car? Hint: It Was 
  Gassed http://www.telluridewatch.com/052606/electric.htm 
  It was among the fastest, most efficient production cars 
  everbuilt. It ran on electricity, produced no emissions 
  andcatapulted American technology to the forefront of 
  theautomotive industry. The lucky few who drove it neverwanted to 
  give it up. So why did General Motors crushits fleet of EV1 electric 
  vehicles in the Arizona desert?Local director Chris Pain’s film 
  Who Killed The Electric Car?chronicles the life and mysterious death 
  of the GM EV1,examining its cultural and economic ripple effects and 
  howthey reverberated through the halls of government and 
  bigbusiness. Inspired by his own experience with the EV1 in 1997, 
  Pain set out to solve the mystery of the car’sdisappearance from the 
  American marketplace. His firstfeature documentary as a director, 
  Chris Paine’s 90-minutefilm will be screened at Mountainfilm on Sunday 
  at the PalmTheatre at 9 p.m., followed by a question and answer 
  session.The year is 1990. California is in a pollution crisis. 
  Smogthreatens public health. Desperate for a solution, 
  theCalifornia Air Resources Board targets the source of 
  itsproblem: auto exhaust. Inspired by a recent announcementfrom 
  General Motors about an electric vehicle prototype,the Zero Emissions 
  Mandate was born. It required 2 percentof new vehicles sold in 
  California to be emission-free by1998, 10 percent by 2003. It is the 
  most radical smog-fightingmandate since the catalytic 
  converter.With a jump on the competition thanks to its 
  speed-record-breakingelectric concept car, GM launched its EV1 
  electric vehicle in1996. It was a revolutionary modern car, requiring 
  no gas, nooil changes, no mufflers, and rare brake maintenance(a 
  billion-dollar industry unto itself). A typical maintenancecheckup for 
  the EV1 consisted of replenishing the windshieldwasher fluid and a 
  tire rotation.But the fanfare surrounding the EV1’s launch 
  disappeared andthe cars followed. Was it lack of consumer demand as 
  carmakersclaimed, or were other persuasive forces at work?Fast 
  forward to six years later... The fleet is gone. EV chargingstations 
  dot the California landscape like tombstones,collecting dust and 
  spider webs. How could this happen? Didanyone bother to examine the 
  evidence? Yes, in fact, someonedid. And it was murder.The 
  electric car threatened the status quo. The truth behindits demise 
  resembles the climactic outcome of AgathaChristie’s Murder on the 
  Orient Express: multiple suspects,each taking their turn with the 
  knife.Who Killed The Electric Car? interviews and 
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  carenthusiasts from Los Angeles to Detroit, to work throughmotives 
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  not just about the EV1. It’s about how thisallegory for failure – 
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Re: [Biofuel] The Predator State = Enron, Tyco, WorldCom... and the U.S. government?

[Doug Turner]

It seems that James K. Galbraith is following in the footsteps of his late
and very great father John Kenneth.  It's delightfully ironic that James
teaches at the Lyndon B. Johnson school.


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U.S. government?


http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12880.htm

The Predator State

Enron, Tyco, WorldCom... and the U.S. government?

By James K. Galbraith

04/29/06 Mother Jones  -- -- WHAT IS THE REAL NATURE of American
capitalism today? Is it a grand national adventure, as politicians
and textbooks aver, in which markets provide the framework for benign
competition, from which emerges the greatest good for the greatest
number? Or is it the domain of class struggle, even a global class
war, as the title of Jeff Faux's new book would have it, in which
the party of Davos outmaneuvers the remnants of the organized
working class...

The doctrines of the law and economics movement, now ascendant in
our courts, hold that if people are rational, if markets can be
contested, if memory is good and information adequate, then firms
will adhere on their own to norms of honorable conduct. Any public
So, how can the political system reform itself? How can we
reestablish checks, balances, countervailing power, and a sense of
public purpose? How can we get modern economic predation back under
control, restoring the possibilities not only for progressive social
action but also-just as important-for honest private economic
activity? Until we can answer those questions, the predators will run
wild.

James K. Galbraith  teaches economics at the Lyndon B. Johnson School
of Public Affairs at the University of Texas-Austin. He previously
served in several positions on the staff of the U.S. Congress,
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

[Doug Turner]

Bob

I 
noticed the fraud warning as well so I googled "Loose Change" and was directed 
to the site. Seems legit.

Doug 
Turner

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bob 
  CarrSent: April 11, 2006 12:41 PMTo: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- 
  new video sheds new light on 9/11
  Hi just went to check this movie out and got a 
  warning that it could be a fraud attempt. Could this be the big brother 
  intervention that other threads have warned about?I wonder?
  Bob
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
D. 
Mindock 
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:09 
PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new 
video sheds new light on 9/11



The 
video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do 
a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in 
spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to 
intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job toget thedisgusting 
thugsout of office and intoprison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. 
al.)ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock


Dear 
friends,
As one 
who has worked as a language interpreter 
for presidents and other dignitaries at the highest levels of 
government, I am deeply committed to strengthening democracy and to building 
a brighter future for all of us. I and many others in the research network 
in which I am involved have found that a key difficulty we face in 
building a better world is the resistance of many people to looking at some 
of the darker aspects of what is going both in the world and inside of 
ourselves.
I invite 
you to consider that by avoiding or suppressing the darker aspects of life, 
we only give them room to grow even darker and more threatening. By choosing 
to pull back the veil and look directly into the darkness, by choosing to 
face both our individual and collective fears and working to transform them, 
we can improve not only our own lives, but our entire world. I present the 
information below out of a desire to invite all of us draw back the veils 
and awaken to the deeper potential that lies within all of us to play an 
important role in transforming our world into a more caring, supportive 
place to live.
If 
you can give just a few minutes of your time, I invite you to open to a 
crucial piece of what is going on behind the veil by watching the most 
empowering documentary on 9/11 that I've ever seen. Titled "Loose Change," 
this highly revealing film is available free on Google Video at the link 
below. If you have limited time, I cannot recommend highly enough 
going straight to the link now and watching at least 10 to 15 minutes of 
this highly revealing documentary. The reliable information provided serves 
as a wake-up call for us all to come together in building a better 
world.
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud 
attempt from "t.ymlp.com" claiming to be 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 - Loose 
Change (82 minutes) 
Though 
it ranks as far and above the best documentary on 9/11 I've seen, "Loose 
Change" is not enjoyable to watch. Many people find their stomach turning 
and their mind saying "is this true" or "how can this be?" The documentary 
is meant to be disturbing, yet it is equally designed to inspire us to 
action. Once we open to seeing the darkness by educating ourselves, we begin 
to take power back into our own hands both individually and collectively, 
and can then work together to create more balance and harmony in our world. 

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"t.ymlp.com" claiming to be WantToKnow.info TeamFormer language 
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Re: [Biofuel] Vinegar in WVO

[Doug Turner]

Hi Tom,

 Some restaurants will use a 
vinegar rinse after cleaning their fryer equipment. The intent is to 
extend the useful oil lifespan by neutralizing any bases (from the soaps) that 
may remain after cleaning. They should do a final water rise but many do 
not. This could be the source of your acid.

 Doug Turner


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Thomas 
  Kelly 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:56 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Vinegar in WVO
  
  Good day to all,
  I have anew 
  source of WVO. It is very clear and light in color. I did a titration w/o 
  drying it. I was surprised to find that it required 3.2ml of .1% lyeto 
  neutralize each ml of oil. 
  We heateda sampleof the oil and some 
  water fell out.The dry oil titrated at 2.6ml of the lye solution. I 
  shake-washed some of the oil in water and then dried the oil  titration 
  required only2.3ml of the lye solution.The wash water was ever so slightly acid. There seems to be water 
  soluble 
  acid(s) in this oil.
   While heating the oil, a 
  friend commented on the smell. My wife came home and asked if we 
  wereusing vinegar. 
  Here's the questions:
   1. Do restaurants either fry 
  foods with vinegar in/on them?
  Do acids from frying cheeses (mozarella sticks) 
  leach into the oil?Do restaurants clean their grills/friers w. 
  vinegar?
   2. Am I correct in 
  assuming that these mysterious water-soluble acidswill be neutralized by 
  the lye and will not contribute to soap formation?
  
   
  Thanks for listening,
   
  Tom
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release

[Doug Turner]

Joe:

 Bacon grease may not turn you into a 
babe magnet but the black bears will certainly find you and your tent attractive 
as well as tasty.

Doug Turner

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Joe Street 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:08 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: 
  Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
  BTW and this is a little off topic as well but while we're on 
  the natural remedies subject I've also found that rubbing bacon grease all 
  over myself and my tent is very effective against mosquitos when I'm 
  travelling in bear country. It's not a babe magnet either :( It doesn't 
  polarise fuel either:( I guess I'm not being too helpful. 
  :(JoeMichael Redler wrote:
  
One remedy for heavy metals does not a babe-magnet make.
:-)

Mike
Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


  

  Hi Mike and All,
  
  I'm increasing my garlic intake. It seems that one of the compounds 
  in garlic acts as a chelating agent for heavy metals. I don't know if it 
  will catch mercury but it is supposed to be fairly effective for 
  lead.
  
  Tom Irwin
  
  

From: Mike McGinness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: 
Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:54:55 -0300Subject: Re: 
[Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report ReleaseThe mercury in vaccines and flu shots has been 
reduced 99.9% from what it was a few yearsago (I researched this a 
few months ago for a recent booster shot) if you get the 
rightsupplier!! BUT, Ask to see the paper work first for the 
actual vial being used!! Ifound that out while dealing with the 
local County Health Clinic dispensing the 
Vaccinesrecently.Of course that begs the next question of 
what toxin they replaced the mercury with to keepthe vaccine and flu 
shots sterile and presumably safe!Mike 
McGinnessMargo wrote: Mercury seems to be in the 
vaccines as well, including flu shots. I don't know what the 
answer is, but there must be a better answer than some of the 
things we humans have come up with so far. I still think 
the natural food industry has a lot to contribute in this area. 
Young Living has some very interesting information in some of 
their latest studies. - Original Message 
- From: "Mike McGinness" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release  
In regards to mercury emissions from burning coal and my prior 
comments:   I almost forgot the really big, big 
BIG issue. All silver colored dental  fillings are currently 
still made from mercury amalgam metal alloy (50%  raw 
mercury!!!) according to my local dentist Therefore, 
We  are probably the single largest unregulated source of 
mercury emissions  in the environment! Thanks to the 
FDA!   Mike McGinness 
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq

[Doug Turner]

I've got to agree with Joe.  Many, but not all, of the Canadians I know
strongly support the separation of church and state.  We are often not vocal
about it because the issue seldom comes up.  With respect to religious
schools, our country was predicated on equality of French and English,
Catholic and Protestant.  Many people I know do not have an issue with
government funded Catholic and Public/Protestant schools, it is just the way
it has always been.  There are a number of educators who feel that the
elimination of separate Catholic schools would provide some cost savings.
Not through the non-education of Catholic children but through the
elimination of redundant organizational functions such as transportation,
human resources, and other administrative duplication.

Doug Turner, Yes, I voted today.
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada


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From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden citing US polls about withdrawing from Iraq


 Hear! Hear!  Well I had to take exception to what was written about most
 Canadians being unconcerned about the division (or lack of) church and
 state.  While I cannot speak for all Canadians I can certainly say I've
 heard many negative comments every time the subject comes up and the
 discussion is about statements made by US politicians making statements
 of religious nature.  Most people I know would be appalled to hear our
 prime minister invoking the blessings of god and I'm sure the newspapers
 would be full of it and asking which of our multicultural, multi
 denominational groups' god he was imploring to bless the nation. ROFLMAO
 I think sometimes people read Canadians wrong because we tend to be a
 pretty laid back bunch.

 I'm with you on that one Mike, nothing worse could happen than letting a
 bunch of religious zealots who feel they hold the moral high ground
 decide what's 'best' for us. Shudder.

 Well it looks like the republicans (northern branch -PC party that is)
 are hoping for a landslide victory tonight.  Shudder (again)  almost as
 bad...

 Joe


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Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in it relative towind/alternative energy

[Doug Turner]

Zeke:

You forgot one:
e) BD fuelled generator with battery storage.  It may be a little
noisy but only for short periods of time.  You could probably set the
controls to recharge the batteries when no one's around to hear the
generator, say 2 or 3 am.  After a week or two, maybe the neighbours would
chip in for a good muffler

Doug


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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] NIMBY needs a sock stuffed in it relative
towind/alternative energy


 It's easy.  You can't have the option of NOT having a powerplant in
 your backyard (unless you pledge to never use electricity again).  But
 you DO get to choose what kind.

 a) a PV array -- ugly sparkley blue panels on your roof (in some
 people's minds, I guess they're the type that would think diamond
 wedding rings are ugly too)
 b) a noisy windmill (have you ever heard the 10kW bergey wind turbine
 flutter in high wind -- sounds exactly like a Huey helicopter taking
 off -- little ones are much noisier than utility scale ones, which are
 almost silent when standing directly under them -- just a
 whoosh-whoosh noise, not unlike breaking waves on the shore,
 ironically)
 c) a 10 foot tall pile of dusty coal, and your very own belching noisy
 little power plant.
 d) a little harmless looking box, full of radioactive gizmos.  It
 would be pretty safe (probably only one in million would melt down,
 which means the average large metro area only has two or three melt
 down), but don't ever try to change the fuel rods yourself (unless you
 want to destroy the resale value of your property for the next 50,000
 years).

 I'd choose the PV, then the noisy windmill, well before I chose the
others.



 On 1/18/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  He's sued and written and organized with passion and prowess. But his
  op-ed on Cape Wind, with its (risible) fear that the windmills might be
  heard ashore, showed that he hadn't quite understood just /how/ critical
  the need to get the U.S. off fossil fuels really is.
 
  http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbox/2006/01/12/mckibben/index.html
 
  No More Mr. Nice Guy
  Climate change is pushing this easygoing enviro over the edge
  By Bill McKibben
  12 Jan 2006
 
  The one and only time I ever saw my mother become aggressive in public
  went like this. We were out as a family for a weekend leaf-peeping
  drive, an impulse apparently shared by most of the rest of New England,
  because the traffic along New Hampshire's Kancamagus Highway was endless
  90-degree gridlock. Every once in a while, however, somebody would zoom
  happily by in the breakdown lane. We watched them with a kind of
  mounting zealous anger. It would never have occurred to my parents to
  emulate them -- that would have been wrong. But eventually my mother,
  sitting in the passenger seat, could take it no longer. She rolled down
  the window of our Plymouth, stuck out her head, shook her finger at one
  of the passing lawbreakers, and yelled ... Unpleasant!
 
  I'm by nature a conflict avoider too -- if you're thinking of cutting in
  line at the supermarket, you couldn't ask for an easier mark than me.
  But twice last week I acted in ways entirely out of character. I signed
  a letter http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/1/6/193649/7888
  criticizing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for his /New York Times
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/opinion/16kennedy.html?ex=1292389200en=5
8e5dd67e381fd58ei=5090partner=rssuserlandemc=rss/
  op-ed opposing the big Cape Wind project http://www.capewind.org/. And
  I wrote a few paragraphs
  http://www.adirondackexplorer.com/aenviros.htm disparaging the most
  powerful of my local environmental groups, the Adirondack Council
  http://www.adirondackcouncil.org/, for the way they'd worked on
  clean-air issues. Both criticisms were respectful -- I am my mother's
  son -- but they were also stern. I wouldn't have enjoyed being on the
  receiving end of either one (though a lifetime of book writing does tend
  to inure you to bad reviews
  http://www.salon.com/books/sneaks/1998/12/21sneaks.html).
 
  They were also, at some level, divisive. In both cases, you could
  truthfully say I was willing to inflict a little damage on an important
  part of the environmental movement. It doesn't mean, I hope, that I'm
  growing a mean streak. I think it means something else: that the
  environmental movement is reaching an important point of division,
  between those who truly /get/ global warming, and those who don't.
 
  By /get/, I don't mean understanding the chemistry of carbon dioxide, or
  the importance of the Kyoto Protocol, or something like that -- pretty
  much everyone who thinks of themselves as an environmentalist has
  reached that point. By get, I mean understanding that the question is of
  transcending urgency, that it represents the one overarching global
  civilizational 

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

[Doug Turner]

Hi David:

I may have made a mistake in my metric to US conversion but I believe
that the 1900 litres we used last year is close to 500 US gallons.  As I
mentioned, it was an unusually cold winter here so this might not be a good
indicator.  A local fuel oil supplier would be able to give you a better
idea.  Just call and tell them that you are considering an oil furnace and
you wonder about the operating costs.
We just had an energy audit done this summer and there are some very
significant areas where we can improve the efficiency of our house, which as
it turns out is not very efficient.  This was expected.  The house is a
story and a half double-brick construction built in 1952, an era when energy
costs were not a concern.  So I believe that with a little work and not too
much money we can significantly lower our fuel usage which will be
beneficial regardless of the fuel.
With respect to the price of fuel oil, right now I'm paying 75 cents per
litre or about $2.85 per US gallon (about $2.45 US) so there is not that
much of a price differential.  Many of my neighbours use natural gas and pay
a fair bit more (15-25%) for winter heating.
I'm not sure about the total cost of creating BD because you have to get
the NaOH (which is a relatively small portion of the cost) and the methanol
(much higher percent of the total cost) and there is some energy added to
the process, but BD makes sense from an environmental stand-point,
particularly if you are using WVO that would be discarded anyway.
As for the house temperature, it's a little low by North American
standards but we have friends who have immigrated from Europe and they find
it quite pleasant.  Just buy a few extra sweaters and eat more :)

TTYL

Doug Turner


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From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question


Hi Doug,

I am pretty sure that it is probably cooler here in
Minnesota. I call it the great tundra wasteland. :-) I
did some searching on the internet for #2 grade
heating oil and it is running in the $2.00-$2.30 a
gallon range. Eeek! Well I believe that I can use/make
BD of less than that. Even if I had to buy WVO from
the local BD co-op (not a bad thing) at a 1.00 a
gallon, I think I would still be under the going rate
for #2 heating oil.

500 gallons? That's a lot. I would have thought that
it would be a lot less... maybe I am not in the know.

For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat
set
 at a fairly low (at least according to our friends)
17 degrees C.
WOW! that is 62-63 F. I keep it at 66F or 19C.

What are your thoughts?

Dave

--- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dave:

 I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the
 western end of Lake Ontario
 and about the same latitude as Rome.  Last year,
 which was somewhat colder
 than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of
 #2 Fuel Oil to heat our
 house at a cost of $1,400 CND.
 You should probably talk to a fuel oil
 distributor to get an idea of
 what the average usage in Minnesota will be.  I
 suspect that average usage
 in your area will be somewhat higher then it is
 here.  You live further
 north than I do and I suspect that you also have a
 more continental climate.
 But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of
 things that can impact
 your fuel usage.  For example, my wife and I have
 our house thermostat set
 at a fairly low (at least according to our friends)
 17 degrees C.

 Hope this helps,

 Doug Turner





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Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

[Doug Turner]

Hi Dave:

I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the western end of Lake Ontario
and about the same latitude as Rome.  Last year, which was somewhat colder
than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of #2 Fuel Oil to heat our
house at a cost of $1,400 CND.
You should probably talk to a fuel oil distributor to get an idea of
what the average usage in Minnesota will be.  I suspect that average usage
in your area will be somewhat higher then it is here.  You live further
north than I do and I suspect that you also have a more continental climate.
But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of things that can impact
your fuel usage.  For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set
at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C.

Hope this helps,

Doug Turner

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From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question


Hello Doug,

I guess I am in luck. I was looking at the wilsons
link you sent and they recommend the Kerr furnances
and boilers for BD. I looked at the Kerr link from
Wilsons and they have a distributor in Duluth
Minnesota

How much oil do you think I need for the winter
months?

Dave

--- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi David:

There is some information on using BD as home
 heating fuel on the JtF
 site, for example,

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat.
  Here in Canada
 there is a company called Wilson's Fuels,
 http://www.wilsons.ca/home_heat/biofuel.html in Nova
 Scotia that is selling
 B20 home heating oil and they are using waste fish
 oil as their feedstock.
 According to Wilson's website, both B20 and B100 can
 be used as home heating
 oil provided your oil storage tank is indoors.  I'm
 waiting to hear from my
 furnace manufacturer before putting any BD in my oil
 tank.
 Anyway, Irving Oil is also a Canadian company.
 It dominates the markets
 in the Maritimes but I suspect that they don't have
 any operations in
 Minnesota.

 Good luck with your search and please share your
 findings,

 Doug Turner

 - Original Message - 
 From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:28 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Intro / Question


  Hello All,
 
  I thought I should introduce myself and start a
  conversation in the process.
 
  I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to
 the
  fossil fuels. I believe that with all the
 technology
  that man posses that it is a shame that we can't,
 or
  maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel
  efficient means of transportation.
 
  That being said, I drive a small Suzuki car and in
 the
  non-icey road months I ride a vespa. I am looking
 into
  getting an older diesel car/van/truck that can be
 run
  off of Biodiesel.
 
  I currantly live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA and I
 am
  interested in meeting/talking to like minded
 people...
 
  Along those lines, have anyone looked at
 converting
  their home heating furnace/water heater to
 Biodiesel?
 
  I found this company
  http://www.irvingoilco.com/homeheat/product4.html
 that
  looks interesting.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

[Doug Turner]

Hi David:

   There is some information on using BD as home heating fuel on the JtF
site, for example,
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat.  Here in Canada
there is a company called Wilson's Fuels,
http://www.wilsons.ca/home_heat/biofuel.html in Nova Scotia that is selling
B20 home heating oil and they are using waste fish oil as their feedstock.
According to Wilson's website, both B20 and B100 can be used as home heating
oil provided your oil storage tank is indoors.  I'm waiting to hear from my
furnace manufacturer before putting any BD in my oil tank.
Anyway, Irving Oil is also a Canadian company.  It dominates the markets
in the Maritimes but I suspect that they don't have any operations in
Minnesota.

Good luck with your search and please share your findings,

Doug Turner

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From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Intro / Question


 Hello All,

 I thought I should introduce myself and start a
 conversation in the process.

 I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the
 fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology
 that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or
 maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel
 efficient means of transportation.

 That being said, I drive a small Suzuki car and in the
 non-icey road months I ride a vespa. I am looking into
 getting an older diesel car/van/truck that can be run
 off of Biodiesel.

 I currantly live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA and I am
 interested in meeting/talking to like minded people...

 Along those lines, have anyone looked at converting
 their home heating furnace/water heater to Biodiesel?

 I found this company
 http://www.irvingoilco.com/homeheat/product4.html that
 looks interesting.

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Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[Doug Turner]

Keith:

Why would anyone want to do that to a ferret, or perhaps several
ferrats.  They are just cute and cuddly little ankle biters that smell bad.
I bet they would smell worse when squashed.

Doug


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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!


   The only thing I had on ebay was my invention device for pushing
 cooked spaghetti up a wild cat's ass and method. 
 
 May I ask the reason for this device and can it be modified to work
 on ferrets.   Chris.

 How would spaghettied ferret differ from unspaghettied ferret? Anyway
 we haven't got any spaghetti, would a spaghetti squash work?

 Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] fryolator cleaner contamination?

[Doug Turner]

Hi James:

 Ask the restaurant if they use a 
vinegar rinse when they finished cleaning the fryer. Many places do this 
to help extend the life of the fryer oil otherwise any leftover base will cause 
the oil to degrade fairly quickly.

Hope this helps,
Doug Turner

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  Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:35 
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  Subject: [Biofuel] fryolator cleaner 
  contamination?
  Hi All,A local restaurant has offered to give me its 
  used oil but the manager warned me that they clean the fryers with a cleaner. 
  I think he he said it is sodium hydroxide (?). I'm not sure. My question to 
  you all is, will a fryolator cleaner contaminate my oil and cause problems 
  with my biodiesel? I intend to try a small batch before I commit to putting a 
  container at his rest. and having him cut his current grease collector 
  loose.Thanks, James 
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

[Doug Turner]

Hi Mike,

Just waiting for the movie, Attack of the Grease People.  It's bound
to be a cult classic.

Doug

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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?


 Nah,

 when it comes it'll be from two directions:

 The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start
 feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that
 declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling.  This will
 require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average home-brewer
 can't afford.  There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get
 the message and give up.  This will probably be aided and abetted by Big
 Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people.

 Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD and
 trumpet it all over the place.

 The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now and
 set up an organization to counter this.  Everyone will be in favor of
 it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues.  United we
 could stand, divided we'll fall.

 When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel

 Mike been living in Washington DC for too long Weaver

 Joe Street wrote:

  I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the
  winds of change blow cold on the home brew community?  Suppose at some
  point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or
  prevent you from making your own fuel.  I know that collectively there
  are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around
  the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account
  for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this
  point.  I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and
  effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just
  disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy
  suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental
  ideals. But what can we do though?  I feel I am very fortunate because
  in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research
  into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research
  vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue
  is concerned.  I am just wondering if a possible solution to this
  potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort
  of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research
  vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles
  thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone else
  registered on the site as well.
  Comments?
 
  Joe
 
 
 
 
  David Miller wrote:
 
 Joe Street wrote:
 
 
 
 Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed.
 So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using
 taxed fuel or home brew anyways?  (assuming it is not B100 which could
 be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then?
 
 
 
 
 I doubt if many (bio)diesel car owners worry about it at all.  Diesel
 car owners are such small pickins next to a company running a fleet of
 trucks that I've never seen or even heard of someone being tested.  I
 know a number of them who regularly use heating oil or K1 (with the dye)
 in their cars without concern.   I don't do it because to it's not worth
 saving thirty cents a gallon if it means having to drain it out of the
 tank in 5 gallon buckets and pour it into the car.  It's nice to know I
 have the reserve though.
 
 Biodiesel is attractive for other reasons; I wouldn't save enough money
 in a long time to make it worthwhile financially.
 
 --- David
 
 
 
 Joe
 
 David Miller wrote:
 
 
 
 Joe Street wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Why not just add some of the dye yourself ..doh!
 
 
 
 
 Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO,
 K1), not in the stuff that's taxed.  So adding dye would be a way of
 saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had.
 
 
 --- David
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Alum as coagulant

[Doug Turner]

Hi Wes:

Thanks for the information.  I was wondering if you have determined if
adding alum has any impact on processing the WVO into BD.  My weak, old, and
somewhat suspect knowledge of chemistry tells me that alum will dramatically
alter the pH of unbuffered solutions and that some metals (not sure about
aluminium) will hasten oxidization rates in vegetable oils, shortening their
shelf-life.  I don't know enough to figure out for myself if there would be
an impact on processing.  Any ideas?

TIA

Doug Turner

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Subject: [Biofuel] Alum as coagulant




 After a few months of experimenting with Alum  (1 liter test batches) I
have
 concluded that Alum is effective to congeal water and most of the black
 sludge in used cooking oil.
 By adding about 1 teaspoon of alum to a liter of dirty oil, stirring and
 leaving to settle for a day or two, there is an obvious clarity to the oil
 and a layer of sediment at the bottom of the container.
 To make this process even more attractive, by adding more oil after
pouring
 the clarified oil off the top, the alum seems to be able to clarify the
next
 couple of batches without adding more alum.
 Adding powdered bentonite seems to help, although I have not tried to
 separate the effects of each.  I would be interested to hear the
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Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter

[Doug Turner]

Hi Robert:

I've used red clover as a cover crop in the fall.  It doesn't grow too
much, fixes a little nitrogen, and is relatively easy to turn over in the
spring.  I have not tried using clover for an entire growing season but I
don't see why it wouldn't work.  The red clover was suggested by my
father-in-law who has a cash crop / dairy operation in eastern Ontario.
As for gardening methods, I became a convert to the square foot method
about 10 years ago.  There was a television series on PBS that piqued my
interest so I purchased the companion book, Square Foot Gardening, by Mel
Bartholomew (ISBN:0-87857-341-0 paperback version).
With a little careful planning, I've found that our basic 10 foot by 25
foot vegetable plot is more than enough for my wife and I as well a few
treats for the neighbours.  No chemicals, easy access for weeding and great
yields.  Here's a typical example.  This year I grew a supersweet variety of
corn the yield was 22 cobs from a 4 foot square plot which contained 16
plants.  I applied compost as suggested in the book and a teaspoon of blood
meal in the spring when the plants were about 20cm tall.

Hope this helps,

Doug Turner
in zone 6

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Subject: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter


 pile, I will collect a few more truck loads of barn litter, then
 rototill the garden plot for the winter.  Does anyone have a
 suggestion for a cover crop?  I'd like to keep the weeds down, and
 something that fixes nitrogen (especially where we had our corn

 I've found that my garden is a lot of work, but at my age that
 doesn't really hurt me.  My eldest son is not in school right now
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Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

[Doug Turner]

Hi Juan:

 In Canada many of the 4 litre 
and larger bottled water containers are made with type 2 plastic.I was 
thinking about using a couple of these jugs to make a small batch of BD but I'm 
not certain about the material that the lids are made from.

 Doug Turner

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  Subject: [Biofuel] methoxide 
  solution
  hello, I was wondering whether or not methoxide 
  solution would melt any kind of plastics containers. Its quite difficult to 
  find a small plastic container that with the international code 2. I can only 
  find containers that are use to put mayo or ketchup. could someone 
  advice me in this ? thank you Juan
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Cheap and easy filtering of WVO

[Doug Turner]

Thanks Hal.  I'm new to this biofuel adventure and I was wondering about an
inexpensive but reusable filtering method.

Doug Turner


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 Thought you folks might enjoy a cheap filtering technique we've been using
for
 several months.

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