[Biofuel] Injector pumps Jetta TDI
I have been mostly a lurker in this group but lost interest when it became a political group rather than a DIY on biofuel. I like the content of the posts but there is just too much to read. Anyhow I have a technical question. Previously I had read disputes about whether biodiesel or SVO could be used in a Jetta. I bought my Jetta with the expressed desire to use biofuel but it because difficult because most of the sources of vegetable oil dried up so I just wound up using regular diesel. Anyway recently my injector pump broke and needed to be replaced. My repair guy said that he could not find a used or reliable reman pump because the veggie crowd is buying them all up because they are ruining them and having to replace them too often. I would like to hear comments on this. Is there any truth to this. After about a month my repair guy managed to find a used one in North Carolina. Ken ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Judge: Gene Patents Are Invalid
You are right Chris, I was probably careless in my use of the word manufactured. A new gene is not created. But I did think of it as manufacturing because it uses a laboratory process transplant a gene making unique combinations. Hell, Bush wanted making hamburgers at McDonald's to be considered manufacturing. I guess you can bend the definition to suit your needs. Ken - Original Message From: Chris Burck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 4:41:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Judge: Gene Patents Are Invalid not exactly, ken. at least, as i understand it, GMOs do not contain manufactured genes. they are merely transplanting already existing genetic material into organisms which heretofore did not contain said genes in their genome (and thus the attributes of the transplanted genes could not be obtained by traditional methods such as selective breeding). still, it is different, as you point out. enough so that the big ag lawyers (and the judges who side with them) have plenty of room for legal parsing. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Ken Riznyk ymailto=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that this ruling applies to Big Ag. The genes Big Ag are using are not found in nature but are manufactured using recombinant DNA technology. The Myriad Genetics case is gene identification. Ken -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100421/3e50e746/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list href=mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org;Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Judge: Gene Patents Are Invalid
I doubt that this ruling applies to Big Ag. The genes Big Ag are using are not found in nature but are manufactured using recombinant DNA technology. The Myriad Genetics case is gene identification. Ken - Original Message From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org; sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 4:46:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Judge: Gene Patents Are Invalid Hi All ; Keith we discussed this before on-list. This is great news!! There will be a lot of pressure from Big Ag to overturn this. And where is the mainstream press on this story? This needs everyone's support. Invalidating gene patents would be a huge positive in ensuring crop diversity and food supply. BR Peter G. target=_blank href=http://www.gac-seeds.com;www.gac-seeds.com http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100329/1506458769.shtml Judge: Gene Patents Are Invalid In a huge ruling, U.S. District Judge Robert Sweet has said that gene patents are invalid. As you may recall, last May, the ACLU was the first to finally challenge whether or not genes could be patented. There was a lot of back and forth over the case, with many saying that a ruling against gene patents would throw a wrench into the business plans of many companies, because so many biotech/medical companies have been relying on the idea that gene patents must be valid for so long. But just because many companies relied on a mistaken understanding of patent law, doesn't mean that it should be allowed to continue. The judge made the point clear when it came to gene patents, saying that they: are directed to a law of nature and were therefore improperly granted. The case was brought against Myriad Genetics, who will surely appeal, so this is nowhere close to over. But it involved a test for breast cancer, that Myriad basically had a monopoly over -- and the claim was that this not only made it more difficult for women to get tested, but it also greatly discouraged other research in the field. In part, this was because the patents that Myriad held were incredibly broad. Patents, of course, are not supposed to be granted on things found in in nature -- and it's hard to argue against the idea that genes are found in nature. Supporters of gene patents often claim that they're not really gene patents, but a patent on identifying the gene, which is a nice semantic game that the judge clearly saw through. This is a huge step forward for encouraging more real research into genetic testing, rather than locking up important information. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100406/539652a5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list href=mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org;Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] socialism, taxes, economics, comments please.
I was browsing thru some of the old biofuel posts and saw this one and its thread. Sorry but I couldn't resist putting in my own jaded comments. The proper resolution of the problems is to do what Bolivia did. Get a loan from the IMF to build a pipeline to the village. The IMF will require that the well no longer be communal but should be sold to a big water company like Bechtel. Bechtel will raise the price of water so high that those people on the lower end of the economic strata will not be able to afford it. Under pressure from lobbyists or from outright bribery the village will pass a law making it illegal to collect rainwater. What's better socialism or capitalism? - Original Message From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, September 18, 2006 2:16:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] socialism, taxes, economics, comments please. Spent a lot of hours behind the wheel these last few weeks. Driving from the 'services' economy of the greater mid-atlantic Washington DC USA region, through rural WV, and Pa, up through industrialized and agricultural southern Canada, down through agricultural and tourist economy of northern Michigan/UP... A model came to mind. A Very Simple Economic Model. - Albert, the blacksmith. Earns the equiv of $24,000 US a year plying his trade. Beverly, the mortgage banker. Earns the equiv of $240,000 US a year, plying her trade. Charles, the surgeon, Earns the equiv of $2.400,000 US a year plying his trade Emily, the CEO, Earns the equiv of $24,000,000 US a year plying her trade. In this community, folks work 8 hours a day to fulfill their trade obligations, no more, no less. In this community, folks work 5 days a week to fulfill their trade obligations, no more, no less. In this community, folks work 48 weeks a year to fulfill their trade obligations, no more, no less. In this community where Albert, Beverly, Charles and Emily live, it takes 1 hour to go the communal well, and draw the water needed for the day, and haul it back to their respective domiciles. --- Q1. What is an hours labour worth in this community? Q2. Should the community consider bringing in cheap labour to haul their water? Q3, Should the community levee a tax and use the tax to pay the cheap labour to haul the water? Q3.1 If so, at what rate should Albert, Beverly, Charles and Emily be taxed? Discussion. What is this hour devoted to drawing water worth? Since there are 24 hours in the day, and all the hours are spoken for, doing the regular stuff, like raising kids, cleaning house, working, fiddling about, and occasionally watching NFL or world cup rallye, the only reason to do offload the hauling of water duty would be to gain an extra hour of free time. So, to Albert, an hour of free time is essentially worth $1000 over a year. To Beverly, $10,000, to Charles $100,000 and to Emily $1,000,000. Discussion How does the Nash Equilibrium bear on this scenario? - Somewhere, I'm sure this Very Simple Model is already addressed. If someone could point me to a paper, I'd greatly appreciate it. Comments please. thanks. ___ Biofuel mailing list href=mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org;Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Stop Trashing the Climate
How is the methane produced in my backyard compost heap any better than the methane produced in a landfill? - Original Message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:58:23 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Stop Trashing the Climate http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/06/06/want-to-curb-global-warming-start-recycling-and-composting/ Want to Curb Global Warming? Start Recycling and Composting Written by Shirley Siluk Gregory Published on June 6th, 2008 Looking for ways beyond changing lightbulbs and taking the train to help reduce your carbon footprint? Turns out we all could make a big difference in greenhouse gas emissions by not throwing out so much trash and composting our food waste. That's the message from Stop Trashing the Climate, a report prepared by The Institute for Local Self-Reliance, the Global Alliance for Incinerator Alternatives (GAIA) and Eco-Cycle, a non-profit recycler. The study finds that waste prevention and increased recycling and composting could reduce as many greenhouse gas emissions as are produced by 21 percent of the U.S.'s 417 coal-fired power plants. Why? There are two basic reasons. One, by trashing stuff instead of reusing or repairing it, we create the demand for new resources Š and extracting, manufacturing and transporting those resources generates carbon dioxide. And, two, by tossing biodegradable materials into landfills instead of composting them, we're creating emissions of methane, a greenhouse gas that is shorter-lived but 72 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. Recycling is as important for climate stability as improving vehicle fuel efficiency, retrofitting lighting, planting trees and protecting forests, said Brenda Platt, co-director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance and lead author of the Stop Trashing the Climate report. By avoiding landfill methane emissions, composting in particular is a vital tactic in the battle to stop Arctic ice melting. Biodegradable materials are a liability when buried and burned but an asset when composted. The report asserts that A zero waste approach based on preventing waste and expanding reuse, recycling and composting is one of the fastest, cheapest, and most effective strategies to protect the climate. It also notes that, per megawatt-hour, a trash incinerator produces more carbon dioxide emissions that a coal-fired power plant. Incinerators also waste three to five times as much energy as recycling helps to conserve. A zero waste approach is not only good news for climate stability, it's also good news for America's businesses and economy, said Eric Lombardi, a report co-author and director of the Boulder, Colorado-based Eco-Cycle. Stop Trashing the Climate urges a local and national 20-year goal of zero waste. We can get there, the authors argue, by not subsidizing landfills and incinerators, putting an end to waste incineration, composting biodegradable materials and expanding the nationwide infrastructure for reuse, recycling and composting. As part of World Environment Day, community supporters of better recycling and composting lobbied officials in several parts of the country, including Tallahassee; Providence, Rhode Island; Bridgeport, Connecticut; Los Angeles; and Massachusetts. http://www.stoptrashingtheclimate.org/ Launched June 5, World Environment Day Stop Trashing the Climate provides compelling evidence that preventing waste and expanding reuse, recycling, and composting programs - that is, aiming for zero waste - is one of the fastest, cheapest, and most effective strategies available for combating climate change. This report documents the link between climate change and unsustainable patterns of consumption and wasting, dispels myths about the climate benefits of landfill gas recovery and waste incineration, outlines policies needed to effect change, and offers a roadmap for how to significantly reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions within a short period. Significantly decreasing waste disposed in landfills and incinerators will reduce greenhouse gas emissions the equivalent to closing 21% of U.S. coal-fired power plants. This is comparable to leading climate protection proposals such as improving national vehicle fuel efficiency. Indeed, preventing waste and expanding reuse, recycling, and composting are essential to put us on the path to climate stability. Download the executive summary (PDF, 5 MB); http://www.stoptrashingtheclimate.org/stoptrashingtheclimate_exsum_lowres.pdf Print quality version (PDF, 10 MB) http://www.stoptrashingtheclimate.org/stoptrashingtheclimate_exec_summary.pdf Download the full report (PDF, 6 MB) http://www.stoptrashingtheclimate.org/fullreport_stoptrashingtheclimate.pdf Download key findings and priority policies as a one-page handout (PDF, 160
[Biofuel] Sources of WVO drying up?
I've been reading in the press accounts of companies selling their waste oil for up to $1.35 per gallon. Are people still able to get quantities of WVO that they need at a reasonable price, if not for free? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [BULK] Re: Hydrogen Car Sighting
I was at a Penn State lecture on global warming. In the parking lot they had a hybrid car. Biodiesel and electric. There was also a tank of hydrogen in the trunk. The fellow there said that the hydrogen boosts the power of the biodiesel. He didn't seem to know much. I asked if the hydrogen was stored as a metal hydride and he looked at me blankly and shrugged. He didn't seem to know how much extra power the hydrogen added. All he knew was that the fuel tank was 6 gallons and the range of the car was about 300 miles. He didn't know how much the battery power contributed to the range. Anybody hear about boosting power with hydrogen? Seems like a lot of extra trouble to me. Ken - Original Message From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 5:38:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [BULK] Re: Hydrogen Car Sighting Just the batteries. Z On Feb 2, 2008 5:20 AM, John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke: Are you talking about $30K to change out a battery pack, or a whole lithium based vehicle for $30K? Seems to me that would be a real bargain. Cheers John Zeke Yewdall wrote: ...snip... For about $30k, you can fairly easily get 100+ mile range on a plain battery EV. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080205/ab66ba95/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California - Globe and Mail - 2007.01.11
I don't see this as a major hurdle. The oil market demand is so strong and diverse that if California stops buying oil from tar sands, someone else will buy more. That is why all these hairbrained schemes you see on the internet to boycot oil from Venezuela or BP or other some other bad guy of the week make no sense. Someone else with lots of green will step up and buy more. Ken - Original Message From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:16:07 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California - Globe and Mail - 2007.01.11 Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California Alberta's energy resources at disadvantage under state rule limiting greenhouse gases Byline: Martin Mittelstaedt The tar sands are one of the most prolific sources of energy in North America, but the fabled petroleum resource may have trouble finding a market in California under a new state policy requiring all vehicle fuels sold there to produce lower emissions of greenhouse gases. While most new laws on cleaner-burning fuel look only at tailpipe emissions, the new California policy, announced this week by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, has an unusual twist. It will count gases discharged during the full life cycle of the petroleum, a move that puts Alberta's oil sands at a disadvantage because gasoline derived from this source requires huge quantities of energy to extract and mine the sticky bitumen. The oil sands have long been controversial in Canada because of their large greenhouse-gas emissions, but the action in California is the first sign that crude from this source might not find a welcome market in the United States on environmental grounds. This is such a groundbreaking plan, said Hal Harvey, environment program director for the California-based Hewlett Foundation, which helped pay for the research that led to the new directive. Under the state's so-called low-carbon fuel standard, all transportation fuel sold will have to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases emitted during its production and final use by at least 10 per cent by 2020. Mr. Harvey says Alberta's oil sands are such a relatively high- emission source of energy -- he puts it at about 20-per-cent higher than gasoline from conventional crude -- that he believes refiners will be reluctant to buy the product when the new policy, to be issued as a directive by Mr. Schwarzenegger, goes into effect. I don't think it would be purchased, Mr. Harvey said. It creates a very large hurdle. He said Canadian tar sands producers will have to develop ways of substantially lowering greenhouse-gas emissions or risk being shut out of the California market. What it really suggests is that it will behoove the Canadian oil industry to think about a carbon mitigation strategy, Mr. Harvey said. Very little synthetic crude from Alberta is currently sold in California, the largest U.S. fuel market. The bulk of U.S. exports go to the Rocky Mountain and Midwest regions, according to officials with Suncor Energy Inc. and Syncrude Canada Ltd., the two big producers in the Alberta oil sands. Syncrude spokesman Alain Moore declined to comment on the impact the directive will have on the company, but said it has been able to reduce its greenhouse-gas emissions by about 1.7 per cent a year for each barrel of oil produced through efficiency measures. Brad Bellows, a spokesman for Suncor, said the Canadian industry estimates the amount of extra greenhouse-gas production from synthetic oil may be as little as 7.6 per cent, compared with conventional crude, far lower than Mr. Harvey's estimate. Mr. Bellows said the company will be able to cope with the new regulation if the lower Canadian figure is accepted. I don't think that we're actually at any serious disadvantage with synthetic crude, he said. Mr. Bellows said that because of the paucity of U.S. pipeline connections, the quantity of oil from the tar sands that enters California is limited. But Mr. Harvey predicted that the California measure will spread to the U.S. markets that are more important for Alberta's oil sands. California has generally led U.S. states in the field of air-pollution initiatives, and he expects the idea of regulating the full life cycle emissions from gasoline and diesel fuel to be adopted by other U.S. jurisdictions. I think it will [spread]. It's a very appealing measure, he said. The California standard is expected to be in place formally by late 2008, according to state timelines. According to the state, refiners will be able to meet the new directive through measures such as blending low-carbon ethanol into their fuel, or purchasing credits to offset emissions from other companies that have reduced their discharges. Late last year, the Pembina Institute, a Canadian environmental think tank, estimated that the oil sands will contribute nearly half of the country's growth of greenhouse-gas emissions between 2003 and 2010 unless
Re: [Biofuel] Slouching Toward Chimeras
I wouldn't worry too much about human mice escaping into the environment. The first thing the mice would do would be to start a religion. Then the religion would split into different sects and they would start fighting each other and kill each other off. Ken - Original Message From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:11:37 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Slouching Toward Chimeras Scientists injected human brain cells into mouse fetuses, creating a strain of mice that were approximately 1 percent human. Dr. Weissman is actively considering a follow-up experiment that would produce mice whose brains are 100 percent human. What if the mice escaped the laboratory and began to proliferate in the outside environment? What might be the ecological consequences of mice who think like human beings, let loose in nature? Dr. Weissman says he would keep a tight rein on the mice and if they showed any signs of humanness he would kill them. Hardly reassuring. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus?
No it is pure bullshit. Check out http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp You can always check out lots of rumors at www.snopes2.com I get all kinds of email crap - almost all of it lies. Ollie North warned us about Osama Bin Laden, not true, liberals took the words "so help up God" off the FDR memoral, not true. Religious intolerance led both Muslims and Christians to kill millions of people. If God does exist I'm sure he is ashamed of Christians and Muslims and probably every other religion. Ken- Original Message From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:11:07 PMSubject: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus? Can I get the List's opinion on the following that was forwarded to me? I am in almost complete ignorance of the Muslim religion. Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Mendoza, Ray R [NTK]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Golf Teacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: FW: Allah or Jesus? Allah or Jesus..? Something very interesting to share with you... Rick MATHEWS is a well known leader in prison ministry. The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!! Allah or Jesus? By Rick Mathews Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the CASE; can you give me the definition of an infidel?" There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!" I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that correct?" The _expression_ on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar." He sheepishly replied, "Yes". I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in Heaven!" The Imam was speechless. I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?" You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs. In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President! I think everyone in the US should be required to read this but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathews, is a well known leader in prison ministry. Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Sponsored Link Degrees for working adults in as fast as 1 year. Bachelors, Masters, Associates. Top schools___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and
Re: [Biofuel] My prediction
Yer damn right you'd be assassinated. The military industrial complex earns lots of money making baby killing cluster bombs, tomahawk missles, b1 bombers and huge aircraft carriers. The contracts are spread around to all the states so that each senator or representative and boast about how many jobs he/she is bringing into their state economy. It's too late to fix we are completely controlled by the big money grubbing corporations. Ken - Original Message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:42:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] My prediction If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. . There would be more than enough money. Do you know what one year of the US military budget is equal to? One year. It's equal to more than $20,000 per hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated. -- Bill Blum Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How Bush Built North Korea's Bomb
I saw an interview with Madeleine Albright about a year ago, and this article echoes essentially the same thing that she said. Sadly, I don't see anything in the mainstream, so called liberally biased, media that outlines this background. The only mention of this is when the Bush administration complains that Clinton rewarded, Kim Jong Il's bad behavior and we cannot trust him becauce he didn't live up to the his side of the bargain. Of course they conveniently leave out Bush's unilateral abrogation of our part of the agreement. Fortunately, the US will not be invading North Korea or Iran. Even someone as stupid as Bush knows that this would be folly. North Korea has a well-equipped million man army and a friendly neighbor with a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons. Iran has the landmass many times larger than Iraq. Ken - Original Message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 11:30:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] How Bush Built North Korea's Bomb http://eatthestate.org/11-05/HowBushBuilt.htm (November 9, 2006) How Bush Built North Korea's Bomb by Janice Van Cleve North Korea conducted an underground nuclear test on October 16, 2006. Iran is almost certainly plunging headlong with its own nuclear enrichment program. These two members of Bush's axis of evil have been developing nuclear capabilities since the 1980s, yet Bush wasted all of America's military force and international credibility attacking the weak third member of the axis, Iraq. Iraq had no nuclear program, no weapons of mass destruction, no control over its own airspace, was under sanctions, was under international inspections, and was for all practical purposes successfully contained. When President Clinton came into office in 1993, ten nations possessed nuclear weapons: the United States, Russia, England, France, China, Israel, South Africa, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. When he left office in 2001, only eight nations had nuclear weapons. Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan returned their old Soviet era nukes to Russia, and South Africa voluntarily dismantled theirs. The United States had 12,000 nuclear warheads in 1992 to Russia's 25,000. By the end of Clinton's terms, those numbers had been reduced to 11,000 and 10,000 respectively. The United States has not developed or tested any nuclear weapon since 1992. The world was a safer place then, and international security was relatively stable. To be sure, two new nations joined the nuclear club at the end of Clinton's Presidency: India exploded a small device in 1974 but its first major test was in 1998, followed in rapid succession by Pakistan two weeks later. The Republican-controlled Congress paid no attention; they were intent only on persecuting Clinton and pandering to their own right wing fundamentalists. Bush subsequently lifted Clinton's sanctions against both countries and rewarded them with agreements and alliances. Now the two mutually hostile nations are estimated to have 205 nuclear bombs between them, and the renegade Pakistani scientist, Abdul Khan, shared his expertise with Iran, North Korea, and Libya. What message did this send to North Korea? Build the bomb first, then talk. North Korea began its nuclear program in 1989, when the Soviet Union collapsed. In 1993 Pyongyang threatened to withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty it had signed in 1985. Clinton sent Robert Gallucci to negotiate in spite of heavy Republican opposition. The Republicans claimed that this was rewarding North Korea for its bad behavior. Clinton replied that negotiation is better than brinkmanship for American security. North Korea relented. According to the terms of the Agreed Framework, the US began to supply North Korea with heavy fuel oil and two light water nuclear electrical plants. The communist regime stopped plutonium enrichment and shut down their facility at Yongbyon. In 1994, the Republicans swept into control of Congress. They refused to ratify the Agreed Framework, and dragged their feet on the American part of the deal. Famine hit North Korea and Kim Dae Jung of South Korea launched his Sunshine Policy, for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize. Under this policy, food was supplied to the North, relatives were able to meet across the borders, and Pyongyang even opened up a free trade zone. North Korea launched a missile over the Sea of Japan in 1998, drawing sharp protests from Tokyo, but did not enrich one ounce of plutonium. The following year, Clinton sent another envoy and this time Kim Jung Il agreed to inspections and freezing of all missile tests. In 2000, Clinton even sent Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to North Korea as a sign of better recognition and easing tensions with the isolated country. Along comes George Bush in 2001. Right after his inauguration, Bush stunned Kim Dae Jung of South Korea by declaring that he would
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu Shot
Title: October 2006 Free Newsletter I guess you can read what you want to read, but I went to the CDC website and they say that infleunza is responsible for an average of 36,000 deaths and 114,000 hospitalizations each year. Where does this woman get her information?It's comforting to know that it is mostly frail, sickly, unhealthy people die from the flu. As I get older and may become frail and sickly I'll be very glad that a simple vaccine will be able to prevent my premature demise.Ken- Original Message From: Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:07:44 PMSubject: [Biofuel] FW: Why You Might Not Want The Flu ShotPersonally, I never get the flu shot and now reading this tells me that I've made some good choices in that matter.Mary LynnRev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained MinisterONE SPIRIT ONE HEARTTTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .The Animal Connection Healing Modalitieshttp://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/http://allcreatureconnections.org Special Flu Shot Report "Here come the fear mongers...just in time for the flu vaccine marketing season.. Fear is used to persuade Americans to roll up their sleeves and hand over their children to be vaccinated. Years ago, people developed resistance the old fashioned way: By getting the flu. And then when that type of flu came around again years or decades later, they either didn't get sick or had only a mild case. The vaccine marketeers want to take that away from our population. What will that make us? Vaccine dependent, of course." - Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center Three important reasons to avoid the flu shot: The flu shot contains formaldehyde, gelatin and traces of chicken cells. The flu shot contains viral contaminants that have been linked to cancer. You can get the flu shot - and all the risks that go with it - and still get the flu! From the OsteoMed newsletter. To subscribe, go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Another good reason to avoid the shot: to avoid Alzheimer's Disease According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our time (over 850 papers in peer reviewed journals), if an individual has five consecutive flu shots their chance of getting Alzheimer's is ten times higher! (1) How does the flu shot cause Alzheimer's? Dr. Fudenberg states the mercury and aluminum in flu shots (and many childhood shots as well as some RhoGam shots) cross the blood-brain barrier causing brain damage. Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple. Are flu shots the reason? (2) Flu hysteria is on the way (again) Reports claim that "Influenza kills 30,000 to 40,000 Americans every year." (3) That is simply not the case. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the number of people who die of the flu are a fraction of that. Here is what the CDC says: In 2002: 753 died of the flu (4) In 2001: 267 died of the flu (5) In 2000: 2,175 died of the flu (6) In 1999: 1,685 died of the flu (7) Those who die of the flu are mostly frail, sickly, weak, malnourished and unhealthy to begin with. For people in reasonably good health, dying from the flu is, in fact, very rare - research even shows the flu shot does not affect mortality of elderly people. In conclusion - the flu shot is dangerous and useless. Flu shot does not save lives The ads say "The flu shot saves lives," but research reveals it's not so. The flu vaccine isn't preventing death in the elderly, the "high risk group" that is told to get a flu shot to reduce mortality, according to a study in the Archives of Internal Medicine. (8) Although immunization rates in those over 65 have increased 50% in the past 20 years, there has been no decline in flu-related deaths. In addition to ineffectiveness, the flu shot's typical ingredients include aluminum (associated with Alzheimer's and seizures), mercury (linked to brain damage, ADHD and autism) and phenol (a carcinogen). In fact, mortality rates for those over 85 between 1968 and 2001 showed no change as well. The authors add: "Studies substantially overestimate vaccination benefit"; a diplomatic way of saying it's useless. If you get the flu avoid aspirin and TylenolT Researchers found that flu sufferers who took aspirin or acetaminophen (Tylenol) stayed sick an average of 3.5 days longer than people who did not take the drugs. The researchers discuss
Re: [Biofuel] Pellet fuel options
Here's an interesting article about grass fuel. It also says they are working on a way to turn the grass into pellets.Grass touted as biofuel, cash crop By Gary Pang (Bloomsburg) Press Enterprise BLOOMSBURG -- The native grasses growing in the area's barren farm fields may be heating homes in a few years -- and providing local farmers with an unexpected cash crop, a state wildlife biologist says. All that's needed are machines that turn the grass into fuel pellets, and a Lackawanna County organization is already working on that. The grass pellet fuel is cheaper and cleaner than oil and wooden chips, said Scott Singer, of the Natural Resources Conservation Service. Canadians and Europeans have been warming their homes for years by burning grass pellets, said Singer. But the pellets are not sold yet in the United States. Planting more grasses such as switch grass, big bluestem and Indian grass, which all can be made into pellets, will benefit farmers, wildlife and the environment, said Singer, who is based in the NRCS office on Sawmill Road. Those grasses, native to this country, can grow in many types of soil, and they can survive both droughts and floods, the scientist said. "They're very tolerant of extreme conditions," he said, adding that they use just half the amount of water and nutrients as plants used for making hay. For flood-prone areas, farmers can plant native grasses such as Eastern gama grass and coastal panic grass, Singer said. During winter, farmers can leave the grasses outside. Snow and rain wash away the chlorine, potassium and silica that don't burn well, said Singer, adding that the grasses become better fuel. After two years, the grasses reach their mature height of 8 feet. During spring, they'll be ready for harvest because the weather dries them. That saves time for farmers, who can pack the grasses into bales right away. That's much faster than hay, which takes days to dry, Singer said. One acre usually yields 21/2 to 3 tons of grasses, said Singer, adding that it can also range as high as 10 tons. The grasses grow back on their own, so farmers don't need to plant seeds again, the scientist said. And, also farmers don't have to worry about erosion. The grass roots, which can reach 10 feet deep, hold the soil in place, Singer said. Birds and other animals benefit, too, when farmers grow more acres of grasses, the biologist said. The vegetation gives cover to wildlife during most of the year. During spring, new grasses will grow and replace the harvested ones. Some Pennsylvania farmers already have the grasses growing in fields that the state and federal governments pay them to keep from farming or selling. People have planted 7,961 acres of native grasses in the area since 1999 as part of the Conservation Reserve Enhancement Program, according to federal statistics. That's the area of about 35 Bloomsburg Fairgrounds. Landowners and renters get paid every year for maintaining parts of their land as wildlife habitats. To stay in the program, participants must leave the grasses alone for 10 to 15 years. Several years from now, some people can leave the program when their contracts expire. Their acres of native grasses will be ready for harvest. Singer plans to tell them about the benefits of making grass pellets. Grass pellets, like wooden one, are burned in stoves. Both types of fuel cost between $150 and $300 per ton, but prices for the wooden pellets have been rising, Singer said. Seventy-five to 100 pounds of grass pellets can heat a 2,000-square-foot home for more than a day, said Singer. Two to 5 tons of grass pellets can heat that home for an entire year, he said.- Original Message From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, November 7, 2006 10:20:40 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Pellet fuel options Have a look about switchgrass. It only requires labour for the first planting and then each successive harvest, ie it is perrenial. I heard from a local organic farmer that as such it gives 13 to 1 energy return when used as a fuel. Maybe a rocket stove ?? Apparently it will grow just about anywhere. Cheers Joe Tony Marzolino wrote: Has anyone researched the using grass as a fuel (i.e. in pellets or blocks)? If yes, can you please post? Great list DaveThanks Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right... did some searches and found some pellet mills that may be purchased: http://www.alibaba.com/productsearch/Pellet_Mill.html Of course, these are just examples. A little more searching may turn up a manual or semi-automated process/design. You figure, rabbit feed is in the same form so that may also be an outlet for pellet producing. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed.
Peter, Here's the quote from the US gov patent office website: Plant Patents The law also provides for the granting of a patent to anyone who has invented or discovered and asexually reproduced any distinct and new variety of plant, including cultivated sports, mutants, hybrids, and newly found seedlings, other than a tuber-propagated plant or a plant found in an uncultivated state. Asexually propagated plants are those that are reproduced by means other than from seeds, such as by the rooting of cuttings, by layering, budding, grafting, inarching, etc. - Original Message From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 3:17:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed. Hi Ken ; First, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think the varieties you speak of are patentable under existing laws. Second, nobody is prevented from developing anything they want by selective breeding. They should just not be able to patent it. And third, ask a farmer who has selectivly developed his own strain only to have it infected by a patented GMO (and necessarily destroyed) if there should be patent protection for life forms. BR Peter G. Thailand --- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about people who develop new varieties the old fashioned way through selective breeding. Granted some advances are not to our liking such as tomatoes that have a longer shelf life and don't bruise easily but taste like cardboard and almonds that are bred to be smaller so they fit on the candy bars that keep on shrinking, but there are important advances too. Ken - Original Message From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 10:22:18 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed. Hi All ; You know, you cannot patent a perpetual motion machine of any kind. Why couldn't we do the same for life forms? In other words, let's say the patent office announced that in 3 years, any and all life forms cannot be patented. There would be a rush to complete existing work, and then the GMO problem would be over. Very little effect on anyone. Existing patents expire in 17 years. Problem solved. If someone asks how they can protect their investment, the answer is then don't invest. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited (http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed.
I don't really want to get into an extended argument about something that is somewhat off-topic but I will say this: If someone developed a genetically modified plant that would grow well in marginal areas and produced high quality vegetable oil, that could be easily extracted, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Or for that matter, if someone developed a plant that grew well in marginal areas and contained high-quality protein, low glycemic carbohydrates, and many needed trace nutrients, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I too have concerns about GMO's. As the process evolves and becomes easier, sooner or later, someone somewhere is going to make a serious mistake, but denying patent protection is an overly simplistic suggestion that will not solve the problem. Large companies can still make lots of money with GMO's even if they couldn't be patented, it would just cut into their profits, a little. The fact that some people have developed plant varieties and have not patented them is not an argument to do away with plant patents. Just as the fact that some people have developed traditional inventions (in fact some people on this list and JTF) and never bother to patent them is not an argument to do away with the patent office completely. I don't like the fact that large corporations use bullying tactics, the WTO or trade agreements to rape the little guy in their pursuit of the almighty dollar, so what else is new? FYI Monsanto lost its ridiculous case, when it sued a farmer when their genetically modified wheat spread uncontrollably to his fields. Ken - Original Message From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 6:21:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed. Hi Ken ; This is exactly what should be changed. This is what is creating the GMO problem. Patent protection for inventions, yes. They stay on your land or in your house and don't affect me if I don't want them. Patent protection for life forms which spread uncontrollably from your field to mine, thus requiring payment of patent licensing fees, no. Millions of people develope strains by selective breeding and never bother to apply for patents. I see no reason why these people would not continue to do so if the patent law was changed. There would be no shortage of improved plants. If we cannot agree on this list that GMO's are a problem and will cause the death of millions, how can the world ever agree? Also, you haven't addressed my second and third points. BR Peter G. --- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Here's the quote from the US gov patent office website: Plant Patents The law also provides for the granting of a patent to anyone who has invented or discovered and asexually reproduced any distinct and new variety of plant, including cultivated sports, mutants, hybrids, and newly found seedlings, other than a tuber-propagated plant or a plant found in an uncultivated state. Asexually propagated plants are those that are reproduced by means other than from seeds, such as by the rooting of cuttings, by layering, budding, grafting, inarching, etc. - Original Message From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 3:17:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed. Hi Ken ; First, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think the varieties you speak of are patentable under existing laws. Second, nobody is prevented from developing anything they want by selective breeding. They should just not be able to patent it. And third, ask a farmer who has selectivly developed his own strain only to have it infected by a patented GMO (and necessarily destroyed) if there should be patent protection for life forms. BR Peter G. Thailand Sponsored Link Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for? http://www.netflix.com/Signup?mqso=80010030 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http
Re: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed.
What about people who develop new varieties the old fashioned way through selective breeding. Granted some advances are not to our liking such as tomatoes that have a longer shelf life and don't bruise easily but taste like cardboard and almonds that are bred to be smaller so they fit on the candy bars that keep on shrinking, but there are important advances too. Ken - Original Message From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 10:22:18 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Patenting Life Forms should be outlawed. Hi All ; You know, you cannot patent a perpetual motion machine of any kind. Why couldn't we do the same for life forms? In other words, let's say the patent office announced that in 3 years, any and all life forms cannot be patented. There would be a rush to complete existing work, and then the GMO problem would be over. Very little effect on anyone. Existing patents expire in 17 years. Problem solved. If someone asks how they can protect their investment, the answer is then don't invest. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I need some advice
There's also someone who sells 55 gallon barrels - steel or plastic north of Harrisburg on route 104 just past Liverpool right after route 104 cuts off of route 11. You probably have more WVO than you can use in awhile. I think your best bet is to look for someone in your area who can help you process your WVO and offer him some oil in exchange for his expertise. Ken - Original Message From: Andrew Libby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 6:49:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I need some advice Hi Ken, Not too far from you (Spring City PA), I've seen a guy that sells plastic 55 gallon barrels/ drums pretty cheap $10 I think. It's along 724 between Phoenixville and Spring City, from what I recall. If you decide to store the WVO and want to puruse this, let me know and I'll help out. I'm just getting started and researching this stuff, so I can offer no expertise on your original question. Hope the ankle heals up well. Andy Ken Dunn wrote: I have stumbled on about 200 gallons of WVO in the ~5 gallon containers that it came in. That part is great! I'll be picking it up this weekend. Now, the tricky part - in the spring I broke my ankle while skateboarding. That put an immediate halt to my processor development. Its probably 80% completed but, I don't even really remember what I was working on last. Now the even trickier part - my wife is not likely to be too patient with me having 50 - 5 gallon containers in the garage for too long. Now, I have 2 empty 55 gallon drums that I could put about half of it in but, I'm not sure if I want to tie those up for that purpose. Ok, so the question here is, do I work on the reactor to process the oil or do I just get down to the knitty gritty and make biodiesel? I could use the 5 gallon containers that the oil is in and just use the simple bucket method to get the job done. I suppose I feel a bit more confident in the simple method (probably because I have less waste if something goes wrong). I guess that I should add that at this point, I've only ever done test batches. I haven't done anymore that a gallon at a time. What do you think? I hope everyone is doing well! Take care, Ken Lancaster County, PA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Andrew Libby Tangeis, LLC Innovative IT Management Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Next Job
I don't think Bush knows too much about democracy. Just give him a gun and stick him in a Humvee without armor plating. Ken - Original Message From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:54:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bush's Next Job Bush's Next Job... By Bill Ferguson Knight Ridder Newspapers Salt Lake Tribune 6/16/2006 Every great career eventually comes to an end, and when you're the president of these United States, you only get eight years (at most) to accomplish everything you set out to do. The next president should appoint George W. Bush to be a special envoy to Iraq and charge him with the responsibility to oversee all American interests there, advise the new Iraqi government, and maintain the morale of American troops who are carrying out the war effort. \The position should be a permanent one, and he would not leave until the hard work of helping Iraq to establish a working democratic government has been accomplished. Or until he leaves this mortal coil. Whichever comes first. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
I try not to waste, but I still want. I'm not that enamored with compact fluorescents. I've had a half-dozen of them burnout in less than a year even though they are supposed to last five years. They are not as bright as they claim. The information on the package will say equivalent to 100 watt incandescent bulb. That's a laugh. On top of that, like all fluorescents they gradually get dimmer with age. My low flow shower head disperses the water so much that by the time it reaches my body it is cool, so I have to crank up the hot water. I don't know if I'm saving very much. I've added insulation to my attic but didn't notice any change in my electric bill. - Original Message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:55:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1023-05.htm Published on Monday, October 23, 2006 by Inter Press Service Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not by Stephen Leahy Soaring worldwide demand for energy is driving climate-altering greenhouse gas emissions dangerously higher, and even as investments grow in new clean energy sources, existing technologies to reduce energy use are being neglected. Energy remains crucial to economic development in a world where over 1.6 billion people have no access to electricity. While the media and government focus has been on greener and cleaner ways to generate power through renewable sources like biofuels, wind, solar and hydrogen, experts say that major improvements in energy efficiency could dramatically reduce emissions of greenhouse gases, save money and provide the breathing space needed to improve and develop new energy sources. Scientists estimate that to avoid dangerous climate change (generally viewed as a two-degree rise in global temperatures), world greenhouse gas emissions need to be reduced by about 60 percent from today's levels by 2050. At the same time, world energy demand is projected to increase by over 50 percent between now and 2030, and that will raise energy-related carbon dioxide emissions 52 percent higher than they are today, reported the International Energy Agency (IEA) in its 2005 World Energy Outlook, considered the definitive report on global energy. That energy path is unsustainable, warns the IEA, which is calling for major changes. The need to dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions means a drastic overhaul of how we produce energy, said Christopher Flavin, president of the Worldwatch Institute, a U.S. environmental group. We are facing the biggest economic transformation since the Industrial Revolution, Flavin told IPS. Few people have been able to get their heads around the scope and breadth of the changes, he said. Alternative ways of generating energy with little or no carbon emissions, improvements in energy efficiency and using less energy overall will all be needed on a massive scale. That is beginning to happen in terms of wind, solar and biofuel energy, which are growing at double-digit rates and now generate close to 10 percent of the world's energy, said Flavin. However, energy efficiency in North America and elsewhere has been on the back burner since the oil crisis of the 1970s. The European Union is an exception, where even centuries-old apartment buildings are lit by low-energy compact fluorescents equipped with motion detectors or timers so they only turn on when needed. By contrast, lights are on 24 hours in hallways and stairways as well as offices and stores across North America. This fall, EU countries, already twice as energy efficient as the U.S. or Canada, announced an action plan to reduce their energy needs by another 20 percent by 2020. It is easier and cheaper to improve energy efficiency than produce more energy, said Nathan Glasgow, a senior consultant at the Colorado-based Rocky Mountain Institute. The opportunities to improve energy efficiency are nearly endless, Glasgow said in an interview. The Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), headed by energy efficiency guru Amory Lovins, has designed programs for large and small companies that have dramatically reduced energy use and saved billions of dollars. Converting coal at a U.S. power plant into energy that lights an incandescent light bulb is only three percent efficient, RMI research shows. Coal plants waste 70 percent of the energy they generate as heat, transmission lines lose another 10 percent, and so on. Wasted heat from U.S. coal plants amounts to 20 percent more energy than Japan uses for everything, Lovins has written. Such inefficiencies add up to hundreds of billions of dollars in the U.S. and more than one trillion dollars a year globally. But governments prefer to focus on building new power plants or investing in new energy technologies like hydrogen fuel cells despite the fact that the tools to make
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: The Force Is Not With Them
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Ken --- D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BushCo is a paranoid schizo entity. It is based on zero-sum thinking and preference to use force to solve all problems, both at home (intimidation, fear) and abroad (military). Bush's heavy use of signing statements in essence says that he's free to do whatever he wants and that no law is over him. Congress needs to take back all the concessions they've heaped on him, and either censure or impeach him. But the Republican controlled Congress isn't going to do this, even though Bush is ruining (has ruined?) the country both financially and as a society. The Democrats must get control of both Houses of Congress in November and stop BushCo in its tracks. Peace, D. Mindock __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Democracy in chains
Hey, the repugs won't need to purge any voters here in Pennsylvania. Incredibly the PA legislature banned the use of voting machines that keep a paper trail of vote counts. We will be using touch screen voting machines that are easily hacked. There will be no recounts, just people scratching their heads wondering why exit polls don't match up with the election results. Ken --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/greg_palast/2006/06/voting_rights_ act_nailed_to_bu.html Democracy in chains US Republicans are planning to change the law to stop black, Hispanic and Native American voters going to the polls in 2008. Greg Palast June 23, 2006 05:03 PM Don't kid yourself: the Republican party's decision yesterday to delay the renewal of the Voting Rights Act has not a darn thing to do with objections of the Republican's white sheets caucus. Complaints by a couple of good ol' boys to legislation have never stopped the GOP leadership from rolling over dissenters. This is a strategic stall that is meant to decriminalise the Republican party's new game of challenging voters of colour by the hundreds of thousands. In the 2004 presidential race, the GOP ran a massive, multi-state, multimillion-dollar operation to challenge the legitimacy of black, Hispanic and Native American voters. The methods used breached the Voting Rights Act, and while the Bush administration's civil rights division grinned and looked the other way, civil rights lawyers began circling, preparing to sue to stop the violations of the act before the 2008 race. So Republicans have promised to no longer break the law - not by going legit but by eliminating the law. The act was passed in 1965 after the Ku Klux Klan and other upright citizens found they could use procedural tricks - literacy tests, poll taxes and more - to block citizens of colour from casting ballots. Here is what happened in 2004, and what's in store for 2008. In the 2004 election, more than 3 million voters were challenged at the polls. No one had seen anything like it since the era of Jim Crow and burning crosses. In 2004, voters were told their registrations had been purged or that their addresses were suspect. Denied the right to the regular voting booths, these challenged voters were given provisional ballots. More than 1m of these provisional ballots (1,090,729 of them) were tossed in the electoral dumpster uncounted. A funny thing about those ballots: about 88% were cast by minority voters. This isn't a number dropped on me from a black helicopter: they come from the raw data of the US election assistance commission in Washington DC. At the heart of the GOP's mass challenge of voters was what the party's top brass called caging lists - secret files of hundreds of thousands of voters, almost every one from a black-majority voting precinct. When our investigations team, working for BBC TV, got our hands on these confidential files in October 2004, the Republicans told us the voters listed were their potential donors. Really? The sheets included pages of men from homeless shelters in Florida. Donor lists, my ass. Every expert told us, these were challenge lists meant to stop these black voters from casting ballots. When these caged voters arrived at the polls in November 2004, they found their registrations missing, their right to vote blocked or their absentee ballots rejected because their addresses were supposedly fraudulent. Why didn't the GOP honchos fess up to challenging these allegedly illegal voters? Because targeting voters of colour is against the law. The law in question is the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The act says you can't go after groups of voters if you choose your targets based on race. Given that almost all the voters on the GOP hit list are black, the illegal racial profiling is beyond even Karl Rove's ability to come up with an alibi. The Republicans target black folk not because they don't like the colour of their skin; they don't like the colour of their vote: Democrat. For that reason, the GOP included on its hit list Jewish retirement homes in Florida. Apparently, the GOP was also gunning for the Elderly of Zion. These so-called fraudulent voters, in fact, were not fraudulent at all. Page after page, as we have previously reported, are black soldiers sent overseas. The Bush campaign used their absence from their US homes to accuse them of voting from false addresses. Now that the GOP has been caught breaking the voting rights law, it has found a way to keep using its expensively obtained caging lists: let the law expire next year. If the Voting Rights Act dies in 2007, the 2008 race will be open season on dark-skinned voters. Only the renewal of the Voting Rights Act can prevent the
Re: [Biofuel] World Scientists Unite to Attack Creationism
Geez! and I thought creationism was just a problem here in the U.S., home of the wackos. Ken --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0622-03.htm Published on Thursday, June 22, 2006 by the Independent / UK World Scientists Unite to Attack Creationism by Sarah Cassidy The world's scientific community united yesterday to launch one of the strongest attacks yet on creationism, warning that the origins of life were being concealed, denied or confused. The national science academies of 67 countries warned parents and teachers to ensure that they did not undermine the teaching of evolution or allow children to be taught that the world was created in six days. Some schools in the US hold that evolution is merely a theory while the Bible represents the literal truth. There have also been fears that these views are creeping into British schools. The statement, which the Royal Society signed on behalf of Britain's scientists, said: We urge decision-makers, teachers and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet. Within science courses taught in certain public systems of education, scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science. The statement followed a long-running row over claims that some of Tony Blair's flagship city academies teach creationism in science lessons. Schools in the North-east backed by one academy sponsor, Sir Peter Vardy, have been accused of promoting creationism alongside evolution. The schools have denied the claims and insisted they abide by the national curriculum. Academics in the US have voiced concern over similar theories being taught in American schools. Scientists also fear the spread of a theory known as intelligent design. This suggests that species are too complex to have evolved through natural selection and must therefore be the product of a designer. Martin Rees, president of the Royal Society, said: There is controversy in some parts of the world about the teaching of evolution to pupils and students, so this is a timely statement that makes clear the views of the scientific community. I hope this statement will help those who are attempting to uphold the rights of young people to have access to accurate scientific knowledge about the origins and evolution of life on Earth. It has been revealed that creationism is being included in the science curricula of a growing number of UK universities. Leeds University plans to incorporate one or two compulsory lectures on creationism and intelligent design into its second-year course for zoology and genetics undergraduates next Christmas, according to The Times Higher Education Supplement. At Leicester University, academics discuss creationism and intelligent design with third-year genetics undergraduates for about 20 minutes in lectures. In both cases, lecturers argue that the controversial theories will presented as fallacies irreconcilable with scientific evidence. But the fact that these alternatives to evolution have been proposed for formal discussion in lectures at all has sparked concern among British scientists. A THES investigation has also discovered there are at least 14 academics in science departments who consider themselves creationists. They believe all kinds of life were designed rather than evolved. Several others are proponents of intelligent design, which rejects evolution. © 2006 Independent News and Media Limited ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Zero Emissions Coal/Hydrogen Plant
Let's not be too hasty to condemn. While the CO2 problem will continue, it is a step in the right direction to reduce other pollutants that cause acid rain, also coal fired plants are the primary source of mercury pollution. Coal provides 50% of the electricity in the US so reduction of CO2 isn't going to happen to fast. Probably not until the coastlines start going under water. It doesn't seem logical to have a plant in Texas or Illinois and ship the coal there, it would make more sense to have the plant in West Virgina or Kentucky. It grips me that all these states are sucking up to a private company offering all kinds of incentives. All told in the U.S. states and municipalities spend about 50 billion dollars a year offering incentives to companies promising jobs and economic growth, often in the end the companies collect the money and pull out after a couple of years, basically ripping off the locals. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I being over cynuical here? Nope. Emphatically so. Todd Swearingen Plans call for the 275-megawatt plant to capture most of its emissions of carbon dioxide -- a greenhouse gas widely blamed for global warming -- and inject them permanently into underground reservoirs, a process called sequestration. Questions... Does sequestration on this scale really work? How do they plan to make the CO2 actually stay in the ground? A 275 megawatt ower plant would produce CO2 at the rate of tons per day. multiply that by 365 and then by the amount of years the plant is expected to run, say 20. We are now talking about tens of thousands of tons of CO2 swept under the carpet, (ok, pumped into the ground then) from just one relatively small power plant. So how long before it starts to leak out of the ground possibly hundreds of miles away from the original site? When if it gets noticed at all, will probably be blamed on natural phenomena. Personally I reckon that even if all that gas is permanently sequestered, we are still creating further problems for our future generations. Am I being over cynuical here? Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Jetta TDI
I was just browsing through the VW website. They now have a brief blurb on Biodiesel and say that using B5 will not void their warranty. About two years ago I remember a discussion on VW and at that time they did not approve of the use of biodiesel. Here's a change in the right direction. Ken __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right?
Interesting confleunce of failure of foreign aid and water as a human right. One of the important facts left out of the information on water and Bolivia is that the IMF put stings on a loan to Bolivia to improve water infrastructure which was sadly in need of repair. The IMF required that Bolivia privatize the ownership of their water distribution system before it would lend them any money. Bechtel Corp. got the contract and immediately increased the price of water by 60% and later doubling and tripling the price of water. Peasants who couldn't afford the price started collecting rainwater and were sued by Bechtel who claimed that even the rainwater had to be paid for. As a result the peasants protested and Bechtel was thrown out. The water problem led to the election of leftest Morales. Interesting how money from the IMF that had strings to supposedly promote ownership by large corporations had the opposite effect. Ken --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 12 percent of the world's population uses 85 percent of its water, and these 12 percent do not live in the Third World. Same as energy, same as food, same as money. Actually there is only one problem, IMHO, and this is it. For a glimpse at water issues worldwide in 2002 see: http://snipurl.com/qcpd Re: [biofuel] Sewage Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: Animal Waste Best Keith --- New at Anup Shah's Global Issues web site. http://www.globalissues.org * Trade-Related Issues * Sustainable Development * Water Much of the world lives without access to clean water. A recognized global water crisis appears to come not so much from water scarcity and over-population but from management of this precious resource. Privatization has long been encouraged as the means to efficient management and provision of service. However, the result has been that often prices have increased, out of reach from poor people around the world. This commoditization of water goes to the heart of safe water access issues. This article looks into this issue in more detail. http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Development/water/ Introduction-A Water Management Crisis Leading to Lack of Access to Safe Water for Much of the World * Coca Cola vs. Indian Farmers: Luxury vs. Necessity * Privatization in both rich and poor countries can mean many cannot access safe water * Water Access Policy: Following Neoliberal Ideology * Privatization vs. Democratic Accountability of Management of a Fundamental Resource * Water: A Human Right or a Commodity? * Water and Environmental Issues * International Agreements and Action * More Information ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grit plan to cut greenhouse emissions a dud: researchers
I didn't know that you guys in Canada had the same problem as we do in the US. Our govenment is totally controlled by big corporations. Ken --- A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only real plan (Liberal or Conservative) is to keep big business feeding their election campaigns... They (big biz) won't feed the election coffers unless they're allowed to continue business as usual... Us little guys and home producers couldn't hope to contribute at big biz levels, even if we were of a mind to... Money talks. BS walks and big biz hasn't the mindset to change anything - unless it increases the bottom line... Cynical? You bet... Al - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Grit plan to cut greenhouse emissions a dud: researchers The results of the study come as no surprise, sadly. The Liberal administrations were more interested in photo-ops than results. While the new Conservative administration claims to have a made-in-Canada plan, suspicions are it's a made-in-neocon-USA plan. Personally, I'd welcome any real plan on the subject. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/05/28/pf-1602651.html May 28, 2006 By DENNIS BUECKERT OTTAWA (CP) - The Liberals' $12-billion plan to implement the Kyoto Protocol over seven years would have been largely ineffective, says an as-yet unpublished report by the C.D. Howe Institute. The report, marked do not cite or circulate, was written before the current government axed Project Green, as the plan was dubbed, and may have been a factor in the Conservatives' decision to scrap it. Project Green largely relied on voluntary measures and incentives which have been shown not to work, says the study, which sarcastically calls the package Project Dream. This policy approach will fail dramatically to meet national objectives and yet will entail a substantial cost, says the report, whose lead author is Mark Jaccard of Simon Fraser University. The study was written in April and obtained by The Canadian Press on the weekend. It is finally expected to be made public this week. The report says Project Green would have cost $12 billion by 2012, with much of that money being spent outside Canada. It would have reduced emissions by 175 megatonnes compared with a business-as-usual scenario, far short of the 230 to 300 Mt. reduction required to meet Canada's Kyoto target. Efforts like the One Tonne Challenge advertising campaign, which urged individuals to reduce their own greenhouse emissions through lifestyle changes, have negligible effect, says the study. The policy approach of Canada since 1990 and continued with Project Green is clearly ineffective in causing the disconnection of GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions from the economic output that must take place if these emissions are to be reduced and their atmospheric concentrations stabilized at low risk levels. Canada's domestic emissions remain on a path that would miss its Kyoto target by at least 270 Mt. in 2010, equivalent to almost a 30 per cent emissions gap, the study says. Indeed, the policy approach epitomized by Project Green allows emissions to continue to grow at close to their BAU (business-as-usual) rate. Prime Minister Stephen Harper could use the report to buttress his claims about the ineffectiveness of the Liberal plan, but he probably won't like the alternatives it recommends. The most effective policy would likely be a gradually rising tax on greenhouse gas emissions, combined with reductions in other taxes to ensure no net tax increase, says the report. The main Conservative response to climate change so far has been to make transit passes tax deductible, which experts say will have little effect on emissions. Louise Comeau of the Vancouver-based Sage Climate Project said many of the criticisms in the report are valid but Project Green was not a total wash. She said a 175 Mt. cut in emissions would have been a start, adding that the plan had always been presented as a work in progress. Comeau said the real importance of the report is its call for tough regulations and tax changes to prevent greenhouse emissions. == -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] seasonal burning
I say let everything burn. Why should rescuers risk their lives for idiots who build their houses in wild fire areas, flood plains, 8 feet below sea level, near earthquake faults or on the coast in hurricane prone areas? Ken --- Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i sit here watching a show on wildfires in california, i wonder- how many years did the natural fire cycle have to be stamped out to create these conditions? and why, if people are so worried about it, dont the fire departments institute controlled burns in less favorable conditions so they dont get out of hand? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] more goofy questions
Methanol make you go blind, I suppose the worms wouldn't mind. Ken --- Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith; What about in the case of vermicomposting? Any advice on putting a little cocktail in there? Will it harm the worms? Joe Keith Addison wrote: Snip It's not toxic to the soil microlife nor to plants. snip It certainly won't harm a compost pile. Anyway the methanol should be removed first. and the soap/oil fraction will smother almost everything. It depends how much of it you use. It will need to be mixed thoroughly with other materials so that the air and bacteria can get at it, or it will just make a sticky mass -- mix thoroughly with dry, brown materials, use in conjunction with other composting materials as only a part of the overall mix. -- Composting http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#compost It works. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] My solution to the oil problem
We are using way too much dino. The simple solution is to tax it to the hilt like they do in Europe. I propose a $1.50 per gallon. Can't do that you say - unfair to all the poor folk that have to rely on their cars to get to work. Give everyone a tax credit so that the tax on petroleum products becomes tax neutral. The average person drives 15,000 miles per year, if he had a car that got 25 mpg he would use 600 gallons of gas. Give people a tax credit of $900. That makes up for the extra gas tax they have to pay. Rich people want to troll around in their humvees, and use up more than 600 gallons of gas? That's ok, fork over the extra tax money. Use less than 600 gallons of gas per year - good you get to pocket some money. I think this would work, it would encourage people who don't have money to conserve more, it would spur more experimentation with biodiesel and other alternative fuels, it would encourage people to trade up to more economical cars, it would cut down our trade imbalance, it would decrease the use of fossil fuels. Any comments? __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] My solution to the oil problem
I don't think anyone should have health care. Let's kill all the thieving doctors and as a result the sickly who don't deserve to live anyway, will die, leaving more oil and other things for me. Ken --- Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freedom-hater. You probably think all people should have access to health care, not just the rich. I'd explain it to you, but I have to go take my gout medicine now. -America Chris lloyd wrote: The simple solution is to tax it to the hilt like they do in Europe. I propose a $1.50 per gallon. Any comments? Make it 5 dollars a gallon tax like I have to pay in England. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment. Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rexis Tree wrote: http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. from the link: with an 80-horsepower alternating-current electric motor with no external power source. At a local radio shop he bought 12 vacuum tubes, some wires and assorted resistors, and assembled them in a circuit box 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high, with a pair of 3-inch rods sticking out. Getting into the car with the circuit box in the front seat beside him, he pushed the rods in, announced, We now have power, and proceeded to test drive the car for a week, often at speeds of up to 90 mph. As it was an alternating-current motor and there were no batteries involved, where did the power come from? the question shouldn't be where did the power come from but where did the srory come? this is obviously mythology. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation
Don't think so. The purpose of distilling alcohol is usually to separate it from water. The boiling point of alcohol is close to that of water so the temperature of the vessel and cooling column is critical. When water is distilled it is usually separated from salts and other contaminants. The temperature is not critical for that process. Ken --- Jonathan Schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for the group. Would a water distiller like the kind found at www.waterdistiller.com be similar to an alcohol still? Usually an alcohol still has a column and uses water as the coolant for the condenser. These water distillers use a coil that is air cooled. - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone
I added a cupful of acetone to a tank on my VW jetta TDI. I heard so boiling and hissing coming from the fuel tank for about 5 minutes. I didn't notice any increase in fuel economy. I only tried the acetone once. Ken --- Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yes I was wondering about the acetone experiments also. As far as I know a few people on 2 or 3 other lists were going to document their experiments. Anybody hear of any updates? tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone Sent: 18 Nov '05 20:47 while we are on this thread, might we wander back a few months to a related issue? That is the claim that addition of small amounts of acetone to both compression and spark ignition engines would result in dramatic increases in fuel efficiency, as much as 35 % increases claimed by some. http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/ Anybody have any well-controlled results to report? robert luis rabello wrote: William Adams wrote: David, Thanks for the correction of air intake. Agreed, it would be good to look at the beast. Can the anecdotes can be believed ? And, is the concept for real? The concept of supplemental hydrogen injection IS a valid one. Whether or not this can be accomplished with any real gains in power and fuel economy using an onboard electrolyzer makes me very skeptical. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
Has anyone ever done electrolysis. I've done it years ago using a 6 amp battery charger as a source of current. It took about 15 minutes to fill a small testube. Additionally you need to add an electrolyte to the distilled water usually sulfuric acid. Where is the truck driver going to get distilled water and sulfuric acid on the road. (I don't think it would be a good idea to drain his battery.) In a small FAQ sidebar on the HFI website they say that the increase in fuel economy is due to the H2 cleaning out carbon deposits in the engine, not from increased combustibility. If this is true wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to add one of those off the shelf products that claims to blow out your carbon? --- michael skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1 liter of water = 1000g divide by molecular wt of water 18 gives 55.6 moles of water x 2 for 111 moles of H 1 liter of ethanol = 789.3 g divide by molecular wt of 46.07 = 17.1 mole of ethanol x 6 for 103 moles of H per liter. adding ethanol lowers # of H / liter. 1 liter of methanol = 791.4 g divide by molecular wt of 32.04 = 24.7 moles x4 for 98 moles of H so on a per volume basis you lower the H by adding alcohol. is you calculate the moles of H per gram is it 0.11/0.12/0.13 for water/methanol/ethanol respectively Original Message Follows From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:41:33 -0700 The water may be more plentiful, but, it still takes up volume and mass. 1 gal of water weighs about 8.35 lbs. and takes up 231 cubic inches So 90 gal weighs over 750 lbs and takes up over 12 cubic ft. That's a lot, of extra weight and volume being taken up. I can't help but wonder if the water is being doped with alcohol - it would increase the amount of H2 per unit of liquid, and IIRC, increases conductivity of the water, not to mention decreasing the temperature of freezing solid. Can anyone confirm the effects of electricity through alcohol? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 16:31 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power H. Well, considering that they go through 100 gallons of diesel fuel in an 8 hour day, and water (even clean water) is way more plentiful than diesel), that actually doesn't seem that bad if it allows saving maybe 5% of the diesel fuel. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
I would have to second the comments on the need for deep cycle batteries and not regular automotive batteries. You will also need to get a current inverter that is not made for use in an automobile. The inverters used with automobiles are designed to shut off while you still have enough current in your battery to start your car. This is a benefit if you are out camping and don't want to totally discharge your car battery, but not useful especially if you are lugging batteries back and forth to charge them up. Ken --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proof of globalwarming
Sorry jet fuel weighs 5.22 pounds per gallon not 8. The carbon coefficient for jet fuel is that it produces 19.33 million metric tons of CO2 for every quadrillion btu. 57,000 US gallons, 138,000 btu per gallon, yields 7.66 billion btu, producing about 152 metric tons per 8000 miles or 15.2 tons per 800 miles. A full tank would actually weigh 148.77 tons. 800 miles would use 15.1 metric tons of fuel. Also just because some newsreader who probably has zilch science smarts reads some false numbers doesn't negate the concept of global warming. Ken --- Ray J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specs on the current model Boeing 747-400, 57,000 U.S. gallons fuel capacity with 8,000 mile range so it gets something like 6-9 gallons a mile. so lets say 8 gallons/mile, at around 8 pounds per gallon,= 65 pounds of fuel per mile...so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800 miles but they say they put out 28 tons of co2 in the same distance? thats interesting... Ray J Just seen this on our BBC TV channel every 800 miles travelled by a jumbo jet dumps 28 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. market doesn't make it
Here in Pennsylvania diesel cars are exempt from emission inspections. I was recently bear hunting in Maine. The local folks told me that Maine no longer permits sales of Jetta TDI's because of diesel emissions. My question is this - what pollutes more? A cleaner gas powered SUV getting 15 miles a gallon or a jetta diesel getting 45 miles per gallon. --- Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I want the 2.5l diesel D-max too. But instead I just bought a 21 year old Mitsubishi pickup because that was the last time they imported the diesel to the US. I can't justify spending any money on a car, new or old, that can't run on renewable fuels. I suspect the problems in importing one will come from two areas -- DOT inspections, if the Thai model doesn't have all the ABS, airbags, etc... that new US cars are required to have. And emissions. If you live in a metro area that does emissions testing, the diesel will likely not pass new gas car emissions, and bureacracies like the DMV hate thinking hard enough to test it as a diesel instead. Because we have such crappy diesel fuel in the US compared to most the rest of the world emissions will be worse too. South africa also has lots of diesels (as with all of africa, but I think many are manufactured in S.A.). What might work better is finding an older diesel (90's) from japan or asia -- if it's not a new car, it could fall under different requirements for importing it. It also might be different to import it as an individual, instead of for resale -- I don't know. Let us know if you get one. On 9/17/05, DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to buy me a small size pickup truck like the one I have (Nissan Frontier) BUT I want it to have a DIESEL engine instead of damm gas. All the following auto makers make what I want, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Izusu. None of these are available here in the used to be good ole USA. I called all these companies. None of them are going to help me...So I'm asking for help from the forum. Since I live in Hawaii I would think the Phillipines or Thailand would be the place to get either a Toyota Hilux or Izusu D max. I could make it a business and pleasure trip. So I'm looking forward to hearing from you.Sincerely, DB Maloney ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dropping Fruit and Compost Tea - Borax
Sorry if this is very late but I don't read the postings that often. I don't know where you live but it is common knowledge that the soil in the eastern part of the united states is deficient in boron and many farmers routinely add it to their soil. However I don't think that boron deficiency is your problem it seems to me that the trees need more time to mature. Boron will improve fruit production and root crops such as beets, turnips and onions. Boron as Solubor usually comes in a 50 pound sack and unless you are a big agri-business 50 pounds is enough to last you several lifetimes. You can purchase smaller amounts on ebay. You might want to have your soil tested by a company like Timberlake that checks all the micronutrients and gives you exact measurements of what organic fertilizers and soil amendments to add. Ken --- robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last week I noticed that every fruit tree in my yard, aside from the very hardy, multi-variety apple that grows in the back, has dropped __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How would any of you answer this one?
--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, Are you saying that the refining of uranium and nuclear power in general does not contribute to greenhouse gases? No, my point was that arguing that coal was used in its production was spurious since everthing uses fossil fuel to some extent. Seems as if you glossed over this part: Indeed, a nuclear power plant must operate for 18 years before producing one net calorie of energy. How many years must a photo-voltaic panel or solar thermal collector operate before it produces one net calorie of energy? I don't know what your point is here. It is my understanding that photo-voltaics are still negative in that its production uses more energy than is recouped in its usable lifespan. I could build a solar thermal collector that would pay back my investment in less than a year but if I tried to figure out the oil consumed to manufacture the plastics I used, and the fossil fuel used in transporting supplies to my house, any electricity used for pumps and electricity used for my power tools, the fossil fuel cost of manufacturing the power tools I used etc. etc. I suppose it could take several years before a net calorie is produced. A wind turbine? A hydro project? Maybe you should give up the coal-fired water pump in lieu of a horse-driven bellows pump? Just think!!! Double the bang for the buck, 'cause the horse doesn't eat coal either!!! Yes, but doesn't the horse does eat oats in which oil products are used for fertilizer and gasoline for tractors and coal in the manufacture of tractors. I don't think the point was from an all or none perspective, only from a relative gain/loss perspective. I wasn't coming from an all or none perspective only pointing out the foolishness in the argument buy using extremes. Ken __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How would any of you answer this one?
Hakan, Your argument that conservation would eliminate the need for building nuclear power has merit but does not speak to the use of fossil fuel as a reason to scrap nuclear. The problem is that many people do not care to conserve. Look at the facts - Bush's energy plan is simply to drill for more oil. Energy conserving tax benefits have been scrapped - gone is the program to provide insulation for houses for the poor, the tax break for hybrid autos is gone while the tax break for the big suv's is extended. The tax breaks for using renewable energy are almost all gone. We are living in a country where driving a Hummer is an inalienable right and damm everyone else. Ken --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, I do not find it ludicrous at all. 25 to 50% saving of energy nullifies the need to build nuclear power stations. The potential saving of energy, without noticeable effect on living standard is 60 to 70%, that is the size of the energy waste. Considering the 5 to 10 years it take to build a nuclear power station, a program for energy saving will always outperform the nuclear alternative in time, return of investment and job creation. The problem is that it would add less to GDP, in the way we now is measuring GDP. This is one example of the flaws with including energy in GDP. Regarding health risks, energy efficiency will make true improvements, compared to a shifting of problems with nuclear. It is a question of investment priorities and it should be a moratorium on investment in nuclear, until the investment opportunities in energy efficiency and renewable are no longer available. Hakan At 04:35 PM 6/10/2005, you wrote: The argument that coal is used in the production of uranium therefore nuclear power contributes to green house gases is a bit ludicrous. If we wanted to eliminate the use of coal we would essentially have to do nothing at all. The automobile engine that you are running your biodiesel in was manufactured using large amounts of coal to produce the steel and to power all the assembly plants. If you are using a thermometer to check you biodiesel batch or turning on a light to see it better you are using coal. Myself I have vowed to stop my bathroom use since the water used to flush the toilet was pumped to my house using electricity that was generated by coal. Ken Nuclear Power Isn't Clean; It's Dangerous - and Uneconomic By Dr. Helen Caldicott Among the many departures from the truth by opponents of the Kyoto protocol, one of the most invidious is that nuclear power is clean and, therefore, the answer to global warming. However, the cleanliness of nuclear power is nonsense. Not only does it contaminate the planet with long-lived radioactive waste, it significantly contributes to global warming.While it is claimed that there is little or no fossil fuel used in producing nuclear power, the reality is that enormous quantities of fossil fuel are used to mine, mill and enrich the uranium needed to fuel a nuclear power plant, as well as to construct the enormous concrete reactor itself. Indeed, a nuclear power plant must operate for 18 years before producing one net calorie of energy. (During the 1970s the United States deployed seven 1,000-megawatt coal-fired plants to enrich its uranium, and it is still using coal to enrich much of the world's uranium.) So, to recoup the equivalent of the amount of fossil fuel used in preparation and construction before the first switch is thrown to initiate nuclear fission, the plant must operate for almost two decades. But that is not the end of fossil fuel use because disassembling nuclear plants at the end of their 30- to 40-year operating life will require yet more vast quantities of energy. Taking apart, piece by radioactive piece, a nuclear reactor and its surrounding infrastructure is a massive operation: Imagine, for example, the amount of petrol, diesel, and electricity that would be used if the Sydney Opera House were to be dismantled. That's the scale we're talking about. And that is not the end of fossil use because much will also be required for the final transport and longterm storage of nuclear waste generated by every reactor. From a medical perspective, nuclear waste threatens global health. The toxicity of many elements in this radioactive mess is long-lived. Strontium 90, for example, is tasteless, odorless, and invisible and remains radioactive for 600 years. Concentrating in the food chain, it emulates the mineral calcium. Contaminated milk enters the body, where strontium 90 concentrates in bones and lactating breasts later to cause bone cancer, leukemia, and breast cancer. Babies and children are 10 to 20 times more susceptible to the carcinogenic
Re: [Biofuel] How would any of you answer this one?
We have basically two arguments against nuclear power in the referenced article. 1) It is a fallicy that production of nuclear energy does not contribute to greenhouse gases. 2) Nuclear energy takes so much investment energy to get started that it will take 18 years before there is a net gain in energy and if we consider dismantling the power plant after its useful life and storage of contaminated material it could be an energy negative. My original comment related to the first argument and not the second. I believe the second argument has merit but I am skeptical of the figures. As for solar photovoltaic and its lifetime net gain or loss, this is the type of thing that should be discussed and labored over thoroughly, rather than just relying upon any understanding. Using the term understanding is just lazyness on my part, in the past I have read several articles that maintained that photovoltaics were a energy negative. I have neither the time or inclination to do an internet search for the exact figures. Same questions should be asked for nuclear, wind, hydro, geothermal, wave, hydrogen, etc. What is perfectly clear is that if the same lifecycle equation was run relative to emissions, coal and all fossil fuels run dead last. You might call it hard math, but I call it questionable statistics. There a lies, damn lies and statistics. There are other considerations besides your hard math. The intermittent nature of wind and solar will add to its cost both in loss of energy efficiency and net energy investment. People still need electricity when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. Geothermal may be very nice but it is of no use to me here in central Pennsylvania, nor is photovoltaics because of the limited amount of sunshine. __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How would any of you answer this one?
The argument that coal is used in the production of uranium therefore nuclear power contributes to green house gases is a bit ludicrous. If we wanted to eliminate the use of coal we would essentially have to do nothing at all. The automobile engine that you are running your biodiesel in was manufactured using large amounts of coal to produce the steel and to power all the assembly plants. If you are using a thermometer to check you biodiesel batch or turning on a light to see it better you are using coal. Myself I have vowed to stop my bathroom use since the water used to flush the toilet was pumped to my house using electricity that was generated by coal. Ken Nuclear Power Isn't Clean; It's Dangerous - and Uneconomic By Dr. Helen Caldicott Among the many departures from the truth by opponents of the Kyoto protocol, one of the most invidious is that nuclear power is clean and, therefore, the answer to global warming. However, the cleanliness of nuclear power is nonsense. Not only does it contaminate the planet with long-lived radioactive waste, it significantly contributes to global warming.While it is claimed that there is little or no fossil fuel used in producing nuclear power, the reality is that enormous quantities of fossil fuel are used to mine, mill and enrich the uranium needed to fuel a nuclear power plant, as well as to construct the enormous concrete reactor itself. Indeed, a nuclear power plant must operate for 18 years before producing one net calorie of energy. (During the 1970s the United States deployed seven 1,000-megawatt coal-fired plants to enrich its uranium, and it is still using coal to enrich much of the world's uranium.) So, to recoup the equivalent of the amount of fossil fuel used in preparation and construction before the first switch is thrown to initiate nuclear fission, the plant must operate for almost two decades. But that is not the end of fossil fuel use because disassembling nuclear plants at the end of their 30- to 40-year operating life will require yet more vast quantities of energy. Taking apart, piece by radioactive piece, a nuclear reactor and its surrounding infrastructure is a massive operation: Imagine, for example, the amount of petrol, diesel, and electricity that would be used if the Sydney Opera House were to be dismantled. That's the scale we're talking about. And that is not the end of fossil use because much will also be required for the final transport and longterm storage of nuclear waste generated by every reactor. From a medical perspective, nuclear waste threatens global health. The toxicity of many elements in this radioactive mess is long-lived. Strontium 90, for example, is tasteless, odorless, and invisible and remains radioactive for 600 years. Concentrating in the food chain, it emulates the mineral calcium. Contaminated milk enters the body, where strontium 90 concentrates in bones and lactating breasts later to cause bone cancer, leukemia, and breast cancer. Babies and children are 10 to 20 times more susceptible to the carcinogenic effects of radiation than adults. Plutonium, the most significant element in nuclear waste, is so carcinogenic that hypothetically half a kilo evenly distributed could cause cancer in everyone on Earth. Lasting for half a million years, it enters the body through the lungs where it is known to cause cancer. It mimics iron in the body, migrating to bones, where it can induce bone cancer or leukemia, and to the liver, where it can cause primary liver cancer. It crosses the placenta into the embryo and, like the drug thalidomide, causes gross birth deformities. Finally, plutonium has a predilection for the testicles, where it induces genetic mutations in the sperm of humans and other animals that are passed on from generation to generation. Significantly, five kilos of plutonium is fuel for a nuclear weapon. Thus far, nuclear power has generated about 1,139 tons of plutonium. So, nuclear power adds to global warming, increases the burden of radioactive materials in the ecosphere and threatens to contribute to nuclear proliferation. No doubt the Australian government is keen to assist the uranium industry, but the immorality of its position is unforgivable. NOTE: Dr. Helen Caldicott is founding president of Physicians for Social Responsibility. Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ __ Discover Yahoo! Get
Re: [Biofuel] Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return, Warns Leading Climate Expert
7Dear Appal, I must apologize for my post. People say that one of the problems with email is that you click the send button before you have a chance to sit back and cogitate about what you are saying. I certainly should have been more circumsect in my response. My only defense is that there is a lot of misinformation about global warming and people dissing global warming is one of my pet peeves. The most outragous statement about global warming I read in a respected magazine was that there was that in 1513 there was a great amount of global warming and none of the catastrophic events predicted ever happened. No mention was made of what scientific institution monitored temperatures around the globe in 1513, nor how they were able to measure the temperature since the thermometer was not invented until the 18th century. Ken --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Since you seem ready to accept such an invitation, Bit of a presumption or two there, eh? One that there was an invite and two that if there were that I would care to parlay valuable time for such a distraction. Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. I'd prefer to approach it as a gap in communication, aka a misunderstanding. There are far more destructive/debilitating practices out there, accomplished with intent no less, that need to be squashed or quarantined. I'd rather save my energies for those more notable occassions. What is it that the Buddhist monk said? It's not often a person gets the chance to be a human. It's a shame to waste it. Or something rather close to that. We're only given so much time and one existance to expend it. It would be a shame to squander it on those things that yield no fruit.. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return,Warns Leading Climate Expert No problem Todd. I gotcha, loud and clear. Even if Ken was 100% correct, I would have worded it a little differently and certainly would not have made presumptions as to what you don't know. That's just an invitation to a contest in which I prefer not to enter. Since you seem ready to accept such an invitation, I just want to say that I'm sorry about the misunderstanding and let's move on. These kinds of exchanges can consume an awful lot of time and I think we all have bigger fish to fry. Mike Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, When two people say the same thing, one of them cannot be right and the other wrong. While that may be the reality of politics, that's not reality. Please see my reply to Ken's post. As well, Ken made more than one statement of absolutism. When you state that he is right, you lend to a perception that all of his statements are correct. Note was made of at least two points of error in two of his conclusions. While his qualifications are correct, as are yours, his declarations of wrongness are in error. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return,Warns Leading Climate Expert Ken is right. The statement 'colder than normal' means that someone else has a 'hotter than normal'. could only be true if the same amount of energy reaches the Earth's surface every day. Changes in the ozone layer changes the amount of energy reaching the Earths surface. The greenhouse effect addresses the Earth's ability to absorb or filter certain wave lengths of light. When you're in front of a large, open flame, you feel the heat radiated from the fire. Hold a pane of glass in front of your face and you will notice that it doesn't feel as hot. That's how I visualize the ozone layer at work. FYI: This isn't an original idea. Someone thought of this comparison long before me. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=greenhouse+effect+explained+fireplaceei=UTF-8fr=FP-tab-web-tfl=0x=wrt Mike Ken Riznyk wrote: --- Appal Energy wrote: Considering the fact that the sun only radiates so much heat per minute, hour, day or year, your colder than normal means that someone else has a hotter than normal. NOT TRUE You statement shows that you do not understand the greenhouse effect. The sun may radiate about the same amount of heat but the earth also radiates heat, the greenhouse gases trap some of that radiation - hence global warming. Global cooling could result from dust or moisture in the atmosphere dissipating some of the sun's radiation. __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [Biofuel] Global Warming Approaching Point of No Return, Warns Leading Climate Expert
--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the fact that the sun only radiates so much heat per minute, hour, day or year, your colder than normal means that someone else has a hotter than normal. NOT TRUE You statement shows that you do not understand the greenhouse effect. The sun may radiate about the same amount of heat but the earth also radiates heat, the greenhouse gases trap some of that radiation - hence global warming. Global cooling could result from dust or moisture in the atmosphere dissipating some of the sun's radiation. __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Splenda/sucralose toxic
Phillip, Before you jump on the bandwagon you might want to read this http://www.cspinet.org/new/stevia.html I alway like how these news releases pretend that they are on the crux of a new discovery. Stevia has been available in health food stores for years, and in some full service supermarkets. Incidentally the FDA has not approved stevia for use as a food additive because its safety had not been proven. Contrary to claims, my personal experience is that Stevia does have an aftertaste. I'll stick with Splenda. Here's a heads up for people who do use Splenda. Don't be fooled by labels on the front of a product that says Made with Splenda. If you check the ingredients you will often find that Splenda or sucrolose, is the last listed. Meaning that there is very little Splenda in the product. Most still have lots of Sorbitol, Malitol saccharin and all the other awful sweetners. Ken Principle Investigators: Lau Ackerman, Department of Plant Science California State University, Chico (1999) A team of researchers at California State University, Chico is exploring the possibility of extracting a powerful sweetening compound from a plant native to Paraguay, South America. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Splenda/sucralose toxic
Dear Eagle, I was not advocating the use of the little pink packets that contain saccahrin which indeed is a carcinogenic. Splenda comes in yellow packets. As far a reading about food products on the internet I'll trust the Center for Science in the Public Interest, before I'll listen to someone making a fortune selling books containing nutritional scare stories. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Ken; Before suggesting that others follow you into the lovely carcinogenic world of methanol producing artificial sweeteners. Methanol in the system is cumulative by the way and is one of the by-products in aspartame and splenda. If you live in the US look at the very small print on the very bottom of those little pink sweetener enveloppes in the restaurant where it clearly states that the product has been proven to cause cancer in mice. No such disclaimer is there in Canada (!). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The Balfour Decision Reconsidered
In American schools they emphasize the Battle of New Orleans, which incidently was fought after the war ended. Being rebuffed in Canada was more or less ignored. Every country has their own bias. I read some more about the war on the internet and indeed most of the sources give the victory to Canada. Ken --- Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting take. When I studied the war of 1812 in grade nine in Canada, this was exactly the view. The U.S. wanted territory, failed to take it, therefore lost the war--to Canada nonetheless. Studying the same war in 10th grade in the United States, the message was The U.S. has never lost a war. Korea and Vietnam did not count as they were police actions. On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Darryl McMahon wrote: I don't think the War of 1812 counts as a U.S. win either. IIRC my history correctly, that began as a European war (Napoleonic), and the U.S. decided to grab the North American British colonies while Britain was distracted on the continent, part of American expansionist desires (later known as Manifest Destiny). Yes, some British policies (impressing sailors from ships at sea, including some U.S. citizens, to man her ships) did provide a pretext for U.S. campaigns into British territories, but the desires to do so go back at least as far as 1810 in Congressional records. Instead, Washington D.C. was attacked, and the Executive Mansion - later the White House - was set afire by British troops in August 1814. In fact, this act was the basis for the name. The building was not completely destroyed by the fire, and in the subsequent hasty rebuilding, the structure (originally yellow IIRC) was painted white (as white paint was the easiest to obtain quickly). In the end, the U.S. gained no British territory after their campaigns north in 1812-1814. They did succeed in invading and occupying Spanish territories during this period, e.g. parts of what is now Florida, Louisiana and Texas. Actually, the U.S. ended up ceding the Passamaquoddy Islands and Grand Manan Island to the British as part of the war settlement (Treaty of Ghent and subsequent to 1817). In general, the British simply chose to hold their own territories in North America during this period. In those cases where they did take American territory, they withdrew shortly afterward. In fact, the British were distracted in Europe, and did not wish to put any more resources into N.A. than absolutely necessary. History certainly has its quirks. Darryl Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not know of any war, except the civil war, were the American soldier has been the winner. Maybe Iraq will be the first, but I personally doubt it. You Brits seem to have a short memory - did you forget the American Revolution and the War of 1812? I can see why you might want to forget those. But why did you forget the Spanish-American War, The Mexican War and the first Gulf War? Ken -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The Balfour Decision Reconsidered
--- bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luc, (Snip) - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The Balfour Decision Reconsidered The Lusitania was in fact heading to Liverpool from the US. It was loaded with munitions which is why the Germans sank it and why is sunk so fast claiming so many lives. Ken The trigger was the sinking of the Lusitania - an ocean liner heading for the United States with US citizens on board - by a German submarine. As it was, the US waited until the eleventh hour - April 1917, when the Central Powers were falling apart under Allied pressure - before entering the conflict. And only then because an increasingly desperate Germany had declared open season on all shipping, including US ships. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The Balfour Decision Reconsidered
--- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not know of any war, except the civil war, were the American soldier has been the winner. Maybe Iraq will be the first, but I personally doubt it. You Brits seem to have a short memory - did you forget the American Revolution and the War of 1812? I can see why you might want to forget those. But why did you forget the Spanish-American War, The Mexican War and the first Gulf War? Ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Silent Night, Deadly Night
Not only did our state department refuse extradition of Warren Anderson they put an enormous amount of political pressure on India to drop its suit and investigation. Ken --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20627/ Silent Night, Deadly Night By Mark Hertsgaard, Dragonfly Media. Posted December 1, 2004. Twenty years later, the Dow/Union Carbide disaster in Bhopal continues to wreak havoc on the lives of thousands. And yet corporate officials have never answered for their actions. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] old diesel engine
I don't think that it is too difficult to replace a diesel head gasket. I did it in a Rabbit with only a little difficulty. I am handy but do not consider myself an able auto mechanic. If the head gasket is blown chances are it is from overheating and the head is warped too. This is not a big problem all you need to do is take the head to an auto machine shop and they will regrind the head for you. The only problem I had was setting the timing belt. You need to mark it carefully before you take it off. With a gas engine you can peek through the spark plug hole to check top dead center, but you can't do that on a diesel. I had to take mine to a mechanic so it cost me an extra $75 for him to do the timing belt, he said I was one tooth off. I figured I still saved a bundle doing it myself. Ken --- alex burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All this is my first ever message ( Please forgive my spelling.) I have so far only used the single stage method but will in time start the two stage method. i have limited knowlage about diesel engines my first question is rebuilding a diesel engine much different to rebuilding a petrol engine ? the reason i ask is i have been offered a old diesel for testing which is said to have a blown head gasket (oil is getting into the coolant would this be a the head gasket or some other gasket or seal??.) regards Alex [ememail.gif] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Dollar and China
Maybe very interesting but not entirely accurate. The Chinese yuan is pegged to the US dollar, so the dollar cannot deflate with relation to Chinese currency. This helps them because if the dollar deflated relative to the yuan imported Chinese goods would become more expensive and their sales to the US would decrease. Ken --- robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a story I found on NPR. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4186041 Q: What happens if the dollar continues to slide? Zandi says he expects the dollar to continue to depreciate over the next three or four years. I don't think it will collapse, but it will deflate, particularly against the Chinese and other Asian currencies, he says. Theyll be buying less of our assets, hopefully, and that means higher interest rates. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Blackout sheds light on pollution theories
I thought it was interesting too. For years the bigwigs have been telling us that most of the pollution comes from automobiles and not from power plants. I guess this proves what liars they are. Ken --- John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'prolly old news to those that have been paying attention but I thought it was pretty interesting from here: http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/8225/8225blackout.html June 22, 2004 ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES Blackout Bonus A major power outage last year was found to have dramatically cleared the air of pollutants LOUISA DALTON When the lights went out last August over part of the eastern U.S. and Canada, the blackout accidentally cleared the air. A group of researchers took advantage of the unique event to assess the contribution that power plant emissions make to total air pollution. They found a surprisingly dramatic effect. I was astounded to discover just how clean the air became and how quickly, says Russell R. Dickerson, a professor in the departments of meteorology and chemistry at the University of Maryland. On the afternoon of Aug. 15 (about 24 hours into the blackout), in the area upwind of the quiet power plants, the air was strikingly blue and the visibility unusually high, says chemistry graduate student Brett Taubman, who managed the instruments in the aircraft that gathered the data. Over a small town in Pennsylvania, sulfur dioxide levels were reduced by 90%, ozone was down by about 50%, and light scattered by particles was reduced by 70%, the scientists show in a study to be published in Geophysical Research Letters. As a control, the scientists also tested soot and carbon monoxide, which are emitted mostly by traffic. Soot and carbon monoxide actually went up slightly, supporting the groups contention that the reason why the air was so clear is because power plant emissions were down. Industrial emissions may also have gone down somewhat that day, Dickerson says, but power plants are the largest industrial emitters, and some other businesses used backup power during the 2003 blackout. This provides absolute proof of the importance of long-range transport of pollutants, Dickerson says. He adds that the results may have policy implications for the geographical extent over which air pollution emissions will have to be controlled. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
Another concern about the dollar is that much of the US debt is held by foreign investors mainly in China and Japan. They are growing increasingly nervous as they watch the dollar plummet. When they decide to unload dubya is going to be in deep doo doo. Ken --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Forget the Tiger, put some Mushrooms in your Tank
Just curious. A few years back The Mother Earth News had an article about using the bacteria clostridia thermocellum to break down cellulose into sugars and then fermenting it into alcohol. Anybody know of anyone using this process? Ken --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Legal Eagle wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/waste/story/0,12188,1356250,00.html Thanks Luc, interesting -- 'Transport is a potential horror story for Europe,' Wiktor Raldow, head of renewable energy for the European Commission, told a bio-energy conference in Sweden last week. 'We are 98 per cent reliant on oil, 70 per cent of it imported. We have to find alternatives - and quickly.' Forget the tiger. Put some mushrooms in your tank Gene scientists turn waste into fuel for Europe's cars Robin McKie, science editor Nov 21, 2004 The Observer http://www.guardian.co.uk/waste/story/0,12188,1356250,00.html Where there's muck, there's gas. Scientists have created genetically modified yeasts and fungi that can turn agricultural waste into fuel for cars and trucks. In future we may take to the roads in vehicles powered by left over plant remains. The technology - created with European Union money - uses corn stubble and other farm waste as basic ingredients for making ethanol. This can then be used as a substitute for petrol. This project has been hailed by researchers and politicians because it could help Europe make major cuts in its massive oil import bill. Apart from North Sea oil, which is now drying up, nearly all the Continent's oil and petrol is imported. 'Transport is a potential horror story for Europe,' Wiktor Raldow, head of renewable energy for the European Commission, told a bio-energy conference in Sweden last week. 'We are 98 per cent reliant on oil, 70 per cent of it imported. We have to find alternatives - and quickly.' The project uses biomass, organic matter from plants. Sources include wood, crops, and agriculture and forestry waste. Traditionally, they have been burnt as a fuel or just to get rid of them, though corn stubble is now ploughed into the ground in the UK because of the impact of burning on the environment. 'We can no longer afford to waste our biomass,' said project scientist Professor Lissa Viikari, of the VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland. 'Brazil makes 150,000 million litres of fuel by fermenting sugar cane [so] reducing the country's dependence on oil. Europe has to match that.' But European crops are far harder to turn into ethanol than sugar cane. Corn stubble and wood from willow and spruce trees are rich in chemicals such as cellulose, and these are hard to break down during fermentation. To get round this, the team, based in Scandinavia, Hungary and Italy, has turned to the techniques of gene splicing. First, they have added genes to species of common wild fungi. 'Fungi make enzymes, chemicals that act like tiny scissors that can cut up complex strands of organic material,' said project leader Katy Reczey, of Budapest University. 'These enzymes are quite good at breaking down cellulose, but not good enough. We have improved on nature by splicing extra genes into fungi so they make even better enzymes.' These 'souped-up' enzymes are used to treat the corn stubble and wood, breaking down the cellulose into fragments that can be more easily digested by yeast during fermentation. The team has also genetically altered the yeasts used to ferment their cellulose fragments into ethanol, again boosting production. More than 75 million tonnes of stubble are left each year from Europe's harvests. Fermenting it all would create 250,000 million litres of ethanol, equal to the world's entire current production. In addition, such fuel does not increase global warming. The carbon dioxide released by burning ethanol is absorbed by the corn, spruce and willow plants which are grown the following year, so the gas is effectively recycled. Ethanol is only a partial substitute for petrol, which can be diluted by 10 per cent by it. The mixture will burn happily in a normal car engine. 'It may not seem much but a 20 per cent cut in oil imports would be a significant help for Europe,' said Reczey. Ethanol: the facts · More than five billion litres of ethanol are used as fuel in Canada and the US a year, about 1 per cent of the petrol volume. · All cars made since 1970 can use up to 10 per cent of ethanol in their petrol without changes. · Henry Ford designed his 1908 Model T to run on the chemical. · It is a depressant that makes people who swallow it less able to make responsible decisions. · Oscar Wilde said ethanol, 'if taken in sufficient quantities, produces the effects of intoxication'.
RE: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution )
A second comment. Yes the extra weight takes more jet fuel, but what about all the extra petroleum products used to grow and transport the extra food that is eaten. I don't know how to calculate it but I am sure that if everyone ate a sensible diet much more fuel would be saved. Ken --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. Another comment about the larger people: The amazing weight gains make flying the inexpensive flights interesting in another way. You can really rub shin again and again when seated next to an obese person. Rubbing skin with a stranger is really strange. It bugs me to tuck in my arms and still be skin to skin with the next person when I don't even know the name. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution ) Obesity hurts more than the people with the extra weight. Greg H. -- Feds: Obesity Raising Airline Fuel Costs November 4, 2004 08:57 PM EST ATLANTA - Heavy suitcases aren't the only things weighing down airplanes and requiring them to burn more fuel, pushing up the cost of flights. A new government study reveals that airlines increasingly have to worry more about the weight of their passengers. America's growing waistlines are hurting the bottom lines of airline companies as the extra pounds on passengers are causing a drag on planes. Heavier fliers have created heftier fuel costs, according to the government study. Through the 1990s, the average weight of Americans increased by 10 pounds, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The extra weight caused airlines to spend $275 million to burn 350 million more gallons of fuel in 2000 just to carry the additional weight of Americans, the federal agency estimated in a recent issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine. The obesity epidemic has unexpected consequences beyond direct health effects, said Dr. Deron Burton of the CDC. Our goal was to highlight one area that had not been looked at before. The extra fuel burned also had an environmental impact, as an estimated 3.8 million extra tons of carbon dioxide were released into the air, according to the study. The agency said its calculations are rough estimates, issued to highlight previously undocumented consequences of the ongoing obesity epidemic. The estimates were calculated by determining how much fuel the 10 extra pounds of weight per passenger represented in Department of Transportation airline statistics, Burton said. Obesity is a life-or-death struggle in the United States, the underlying cause of 400,000 deaths in 2000, a 33 percent jump from 1990. If current trends persist, it will become the nation's No. 1 cause of preventable death, the CDC said earlier this year. More than half - 56 percent - of U.S. adults were overweight or obese in the early 1990s, according to a CDC survey. That rose to 65 percent in a similar survey done from 1999 to 2002. Although the Air Transport Association of America has not yet validated the CDC data, spokesman Jack Evans said the health agency's appraisal does not sound out of the realm of reality. With most airlines reporting losses blamed partly on record-high fuel costs, everything on an airplane is now a weighty issue. Airlines are doing everything they can to lighten the load on all aircraft, from wide-body jets to turboprops. Bulky magazines have gone out the door. Metal forks and spoons have been replaced with plastic. Large carry-ons are being scrutinized and even heavy materials that used to make up airplane seats are being replaced with plastic and other lightweight materials. We're dealing in a world of small numbers - even though it has a very incremental impact to reduce a 60- to 120-ton aircraft's weight by bumping off a few magazines, Evans said. When you consider airlines are flying millions of miles, it adds up over time. Although passenger bulk has been an issue in the past - Dallas-based Southwest Airlines requires large people to buy a second seat for passenger safety and comfort - Evans says it's not likely airlines will scrutinize how much passengers weigh in the future. Instead, they are trying to do a better job of estimating passenger weight in figuring out how much fuel they need for a flight. Seattle-based Alaska Airlines now calculates the weight of children on flights, instead of using adult-weight formulas for all passengers, Evans said. Just like we don't control the costs of our fuel, we don't control the weights of our passengers, he said. Passengers gain weight, but airlines
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
--- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:00 PM 10/24/2004, you wrote: Have fun! (I really enjoy splitting wood. It's almost a shame that we have a full pile for this winter. Almost.) Erik Where are you? I will provide tools, beverages and food if you would care to come and do mine!grin Bright Blessings, Kim Throw in some casual sex along with the beverages and food and I'll be right over. Dirty old man Ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry's environmental car- yea right.
Let's not forget Bush's record. He claimed many times over in the presidential debate that making decisions is hard work. Well if it was such hard work why was he on vacation 42% of the time during his presidency. Ken --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick, what is the voting record for YOUR Senator, who you can vote for. No, don't go off to look it up on another web site. If you're scrutinizing all of the people running for office that you have the ability to vote for, you will obviously have this information at hand, and be able to compare it to Kerry's record. Well, we're waiting... Brian = So you're saying that only Senators who are running for President should be scrutinized? Or that any Senator who may eventually run for President should operate in some way that is somehow different with all other Senators? Where is your line drawn? At the aisle, perhaps? If you're looking at records, it should be compared to his reference group. If you're unwilling to do this, as evidenced by your response, then don't try to justify your bias with this kind of smoke and mirror routine. The people here are too smart to fall for that. = Brian, Brian, Brain... No, you are putting words in my mouth. It is one senator in particular that should be scrutinized because he is running for office that has the title of Commander-in-Chief. I can't vote for Senator Joe Blow running for office in California if I'm not a resident there. But...I can vote for a senator running for president. Trying to expand the topic only dilutes the issue, which I suppose you are trying to do. Heh, heh. Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe...the tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) How can Canada be the USA's best friend; they didn't send any troops to Iraq. I think we should change the name of Canadian Bacon to Freedom Bacon. Ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerry left leaning Polls
--- Phil Van Camp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The French or whomever are quite welcome to have Kerry as their president. The fact they may prefer him is a good reason not to elect him in the U.S. Certainly Kerry leans (if that is strong enough) far to the left. The most obvious reasons are that systems of governance are radically different. In most of those countries (if not all), the people are the *subjects* of a central government In the U.S., the government is supposed to be subject to the citizens. Phil . SUPPOSED TO BE are the operative words here. Ken ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs toIsrael
1. Israeli forces never killed any women or children? 2. Saddam Hussein gave $25,000 to all Palestinians who were martered not just the suicide bombers. 3. I don't see any reduction in suicide bombs, but if there were it's probably because they all got AK-47's and went to Iraq to fight the infidel. Ken --- Phil Van Camp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as the Palestinians only kill Israeli children grandmothers, let's sell them the bombs. If the PLO murders any Americans, I'd vote to *give* the bombs to the IAF. Pay attention to the news. Israeli forces kill military leaders. Then the PLO gets mad bombs another bus load of children civilians. I guess some people think that is fair. BTW, anyone notice the reduction of murder bombings since Saddam H. has stopped paying bounties to the bombers? Suicide had nothing to do with it. These were / are murders for hire. Phil . -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs toIsrael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/04 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US is no friend to anybody, when carefully looked at. They have NEVER ever done anything sacrificially in it's entire existance. You never heard of World War I or World War II Ken ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion
Water vapor in the short run of course has more effect on the local weather considering rain fall and fronts etc. However CO2 will have much more effect in the long run considering global warming. The fact that all the other gases comprise less than 1% of the atmosphere means nothing. I sure you would not want to live in an atmosphere with 1 part per million of VX nerve gas. Ken --- robert harder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In most less techincal sources you will find the composition of our atmosphere listed as 20% Oxygen, 80% Nitrogen and 1% Other gases, which means that all of the greenhouse gasses that people are concerned about are so insignificant that together they total less than one percent of the atmosphere. Ask any meteroligist what has more effect on the weather co2 levels or water vapor levels, water will win every time. I did not give thought to what was said about water being a by product in either process and i that is a good point that was made, I am just concerned that everyone considers water a harmless by product but there is a balance to everything, and nothing is harmless. Although personally i do also beleive that the climate follows a pettern that is larger than we have the data to see, and although it may be getting warmer, i believe that there is nothing we can do about it, it is part of a cycle which will inevitably lead to an ice age and round and round the cycle goes, gt;From: quot;Appal Energyquot; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt;Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt;To: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt;Subject: Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion gt;Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:08:50 -0500 gt; gt;Bob, gt; gt; gt; I haven't done the gt; gt; calculations but it would not be difficult to determine the total water gt; gt; released from combustion of all fossil fuels. I doubt if it is a gt; gt; significant issue. gt; gt;Water vapor is a contributor to the greenhouse effect. A fossil-fueled gt;hydrogen economy could contribute a double punch to this problem, CO2 during gt;and post stripping phase and water vapor at the end use stage. That's rather gt;quot;significant.quot; gt; gt;As well, the entire concept of quot;insignificantquot; is a matter of subjectivity gt;and trivializes all things to a point of irrelevance - all too often the gt;intent - no matter how invaluable something's contribution may be.. Those gt;who could care less or couldn't be bothered to care all too off-handedly gt;dismiss anything as insignificant, no matter the end result being gt;catastrophic or incremental towards a productive goal. gt; gt;Nothing is quot;insignificantquot; and those who bandy the term about should be kept gt;under close scrutiny. gt; gt;Todd Swearingen gt; gt;- Original Message - gt;From: quot;bob allenquot; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt;To: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt;Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:54 PM gt;Subject: Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion gt; gt; gt; gt; Robert, the hydrogen in oil will end up as water regardless. gt; gt; Combustion of hydrocarbons produces CO2 and H2O. So whether you strip gt; gt; the hydrogen out of the fossil fuel and burn it or burn it while it is gt; gt; still part of the fossil fuel makes no difference. I haven't done the gt; gt; calculations but it would not be difficult to determine the total water gt; gt; released from combustion of all fossil fuels. I doubt if it is a gt; gt; significant issue. gt; gt; ; ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!
Are you just generating electricity or are you co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel engine to heat your house getting more bang for the buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why more residential or commercial co-generation plants aren't used, especially in the northern climes. Ken --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten! Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed . See the full article at http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_% 26_Power_System http://tinyurl.com/52a4v www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
Israel also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear programme has only peaceful purposes to meet its growing energy needs. An Iranian Defence Ministry spokesman said the disclosure of a US-Israeli deal could be psychological warfare to test us ... This relationship has a long history. The United States has given Israel more advanced weapons than this. ~~ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ === message truncated === ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
I guess Bush has to inflate the numbers, because 3,000 is a small number compared to the other atrocities that have occurred. Already there are about 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed 20,000 died in Bhopal, neither Union Carbide nor Dow which bought Union Carbide has paid one penny in reparation. 1 million died in the Rawanda massacre who knows how may are dying in Dakar 40,000 are slaughtered each year on American highways half by drunk drivers 10 million African babies die each year from starvation 1 million Armenians were massacared by the Turks Hitler exterminated 10 million Stalin killed about 20 million And the land of liberty and freedom, now committed to granting democracy to others, completely decimated its native population in its formative years, Done with my soap box ranting Ken --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was the same case if you died on American soil. Hakan ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's illegal but I don't really care about that. --- Gasman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Phil, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Hello Phil Hello all! Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin? I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap. I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. We used to have many such engines in India called kero engines which were fitted to motorbikes, mainly because of subsidised kerosene. One peculiarity I noticed was that the engine continued to fire slowly and intermitently long after the ignition was switched off. No, you certainly didn't ever hear such a thing from me, definitely not, no. What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and implications for engine life? Dire, probably, on both counts. Best wishes Keith Phil Rendel English Department Kingswood College, Burton Street, Grahamstown tel. 046 603 6600 fax. 046 622 3084 cell: 084 448 1052 snip Regards balaji Hello Phil! If you wish, and Keith allows us to talk in depth about how to arrange a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene), I can offer you my experience of 13 years and over 100.000 km with two of my cars. Both driven by motorpetroleum and waterinjection (actually suctioned by the motor itself, the same way as the fuel). Max Gasman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferredaround World - Poll
Comments Below:
--- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes, that is the party line. It's not true, or
rather doesn't have to be
true, but anything can be done badly. The US Farm
industry has swallowed the
line that huge amounts of pesticides, chemical
fertilizers, and irrigation
must be used to make plastic crops.
{ken} an interesting point is that loss of crops to
insects and plants disease with the use of pesticides,
fungacides etc. is about 10%, about the same loss that
occurred in the 30's before widespead use of modern
farming techniques.
Many farmers have bucked the system, and gone back
to farming methods from
100 years ago and have found that their yields have
improved, the quality
of the product has improved, and their expenses have
dropped. Let nature
work with you instead of fighting it.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas
-was: Kerry
preferredaround World - Poll
The reason the government is promoting ethanol
production is because of the farm lobby. In
general
the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The
fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and
distill ethanol require the input of more energy
than
is obtained from the ethanol produced.
Ken
--- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP
I would love to be able
to present a results focused paper for
consideration. That is where
the real power in change lies--not in who is
elected and dancing to
perceived public opinion.
Peggy
Kerry Pledges to Help Struggling Rural
Communities
Achieve Economic Sustainability
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?ReleaseID=34769
I find it interesting that a number of states
such
as Minnesota,
Iowa, Wisconsin, North South Dakota,
California,
Nebraska to
name few around the USA have introduced
alternative
biofuel
such as ethanol into not only the government
transportation mix
but also to the public which may have had
something
to do with
public opinion or was there some other reasons
for
it.
A previous Subject: Re: [biofuel] 81% of US
support
Climate Stewardship Act
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0628-11.htm
indicates to me which candidate for POTUS would
likely take more interest
in biofuels - the Bush Cheney oil
administration
-or- Kerry Edwards.
Public support is also strong for using tax
incentives to encourage
utility companies to use cleaner energy
technologies and car-buyers
to purchase more energy-efficient cars,
according
to the survey,
which was conducted by the University of
Maryland's Program on
International Policy Attitudes (PIPA).
Moreover, slightly more than half of
respondents
(52 percent) said
a candidate's support for the cutting
emissions
would incline them
more to vote for them in November, while only
14
percent said that
such support would make them less inclined to
vote for him.
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry
has
endorsed the bill,
officially known as the Climate Stewardship
Act
(CSA), while
President George W. Bush opposes it.
Nearly two-thirds of respondents (64 percent)
said they would want
their member of Congress to support the Kyoto
Protocol, which is
also supported by Kerry but opposed by Bush.
This News Archive
http://www.bbibiofuels.com/news/
might be of interest but probably not for the
small
producer.
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Re: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ
What's this washed ceramic filter? The links I read about making biodiesel don't say anything about filtering. Ken --- Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds reasonable but what causes this wax component, Is this unsufficient washing? JLB - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax componednt theat comes out at jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess either way, i migh chill a small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter the try to figureee from ther, buck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900 Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out soon. - Keith From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Awwcid - Base proces getting cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel when I want to produce B20 or higher. When I heat It to approx 40 °C or filtrate with Seitz K1000 filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have determined the water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher titrator to be approx. 0.3%. My theory is that a component of the BD is not solluable in regular Diesel and by mixing them can be filtered out, because by adding more BD It gets cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It stays clear. Can someone confirm this theory? Jan Lieuwe Bolding Chemical Engineer The Netherlands - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Greg Harbican To: mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel It warmed up, and, what ever it was that was making it cloudy went back in to solution. My guess is that you didn't have a complete reaction, I say this because of your low PH, if I remember right, good BioDiesel has a near neutral Ph ( 7 ). Did you let it cool down and if so did it become cloudy again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:02 Subject: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel I wonder why it stayed cloudy untill it sat in the sun for a couple of minutes. Any ideas? Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferredaround World - Poll
I guess I have to eat crow here. It's good to know, now I can respond to all the pronuclear engineers who keep on complaining about the negative net energy loss of producing ethanol. Ken --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Ron for your reply. I read a news article at one of your links that has been mentioned here before about US Corn-Ethanol averaging 67% net energy according to a recent US gov't report upping it from 34% previously or was it 36%. Additional information is welcomed. Net Energy Value of Ethanol Increases, Says USDA Jun 10, 2004 Newswire, National Corn Growers Association http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/news/EthanolValue/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
1. Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. 2. The U.S. is no longer a democracy but a plutocracy; of the people, by the people and for the people is now subservient to corporate America. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right on, wayne james - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most countries want Kerry in White House Sep 9, 2004 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2 WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35 countries want Democratic party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House, according to a survey released Wednesday showing US President George W Bush rebuffed by all of America's traditional allies. On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than a two-to-one margin - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the local University of Maryland, showed. Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said Steven Kull, the university's program on international policy attitudes. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the US president. The only countries where Bush was preferred in the poll covering a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and August were the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland. India and Thailand were divided. The margin of error in the survey covering all regions of the world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five percent. Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's traditional allies, including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's seven percent), Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64 percent to five percent), the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy (58 percent to 14 percent) and Spain (45 percent to seven percent). Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is Bush's closest ally in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent 47 percent to 16 percent. Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent. Even among countries that have contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and said that their view of US foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush. They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy, the Netherlands, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan, Norway and Spain. Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had affected their feelings towards the United States, a majority of those polled in 31 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while those in only three countries said it had made them feel better. Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the strength of the view that US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in countries contributing troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug Miller. In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally, Polland, where he was preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent against Kerry's 26 percent. Another new European ally, the Czech Republic, however went for Kerry (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58 percent to 10 percent). Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still did better. Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was preferred by clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12 percent) and Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent). But those polled were divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33 percent) and Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent). Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine countries polled. In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority - Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent) - but in most cases the spread was quite wide. Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide Poll finds him preferred around world by Thomas Crampton September 8, 2004 by the International Herald Tribune http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm Another pattern that became apparent in studying the data was that those people with higher education and more income were more strongly in favor of Kerry, Kull said. Those at the top of world society are more negative towards Bush than those at the bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is that those who
Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferred around World - Poll
The reason the government is promoting ethanol production is because of the farm lobby. In general the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and distill ethanol require the input of more energy than is obtained from the ethanol produced. Ken --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I would love to be able to present a results focused paper for consideration. That is where the real power in change lies--not in who is elected and dancing to perceived public opinion. Peggy Kerry Pledges to Help Struggling Rural Communities Achieve Economic Sustainability http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?ReleaseID=34769 I find it interesting that a number of states such as Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, North South Dakota, California, Nebraska to name few around the USA have introduced alternative biofuel such as ethanol into not only the government transportation mix but also to the public which may have had something to do with public opinion or was there some other reasons for it. A previous Subject: Re: [biofuel] 81% of US support Climate Stewardship Act Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0628-11.htm indicates to me which candidate for POTUS would likely take more interest in biofuels - the Bush Cheney oil administration -or- Kerry Edwards. Public support is also strong for using tax incentives to encourage utility companies to use cleaner energy technologies and car-buyers to purchase more energy-efficient cars, according to the survey, which was conducted by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA). Moreover, slightly more than half of respondents (52 percent) said a candidate's support for the cutting emissions would incline them more to vote for them in November, while only 14 percent said that such support would make them less inclined to vote for him. Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has endorsed the bill, officially known as the Climate Stewardship Act (CSA), while President George W. Bush opposes it. Nearly two-thirds of respondents (64 percent) said they would want their member of Congress to support the Kyoto Protocol, which is also supported by Kerry but opposed by Bush. This News Archive http://www.bbibiofuels.com/news/ might be of interest but probably not for the small producer. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
If you want energy free threre's sun drying and brine, but I don't think I'd like a diet of jerky, salt port, pickles, saurkraut and pemican. Some technology and energy use is good. Refrigeration has prevented thousands of deaths by food borne pathogens. Ken --- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have, but if possible I would like to build a natural system that does not require energy. They had to store food here before electricity, all I need to find out is how. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:41 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: Have you considered gas fired refrigerators? They are a bit pricey, but work great, the technology is well developed and, if the refrigerants are handled properly, environmentally sound. A search on 'Servel', 'RV Refrigerator' or 'absorption refrigeration' may be useful. Kim Garth Travis said: Greetings, [Please note I never say 'hello'] First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how this list is set up, I would love to move my lists to elsewhere, too. I have been doing a great deal of research since my post much earlier this summer about how to preserve the harvest. I have discovered lacto fermented vegetables which are quite wonderful. The problem is now that instead of needing a bunch of freezers, I need a bunch of refrigerators.I have also acquire a Jersey cow name Carol, so I now make cheese that needs to be aged. The long term storage temperature needs to be below 50F. For corning beef and other things I need below 40F but above 32F [0 C]. I have a high water table so I can only go down 4 feet and the ground is 65F at this depth. I do make use of this for cooling my buildings, but this is a far way from the root cellar I need. My water comes out of the ground at 80F so it is no help. We really do need to go off grid so I am really trying to keep my power consumption to a minimum. Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have yet to figure out how to do it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Average BTU consumed Per Passenger mile by mode of travel: SUV: 4,591 Air: 4,123 Bus: 3,729 Car: 3,672 Train: 2,138 Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics http://199.79.179.77/publications/nts/index.html It is not a sign of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society. __ J. Krishnamurti (1895-1986) Reports that say something hasn't happened are interesting to me, because as we know, there are known unknowns; there things we know we know, Rumsfeld told the briefing. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
True, marble only feels cooler because it conducts heat away from your body faster than other materials. Ken --- Michael Lagae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Capra, Your suggestions about finding the free stone is a good one, I'll have to remember that. However, the statement that marble is 15 degrees cooler than the surroundings is false. Just measure the temps of various items in your bathroom (at the same height since warm air rises) and you'll see that the marble floor is not any colder than the rest of the room. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may98/893033758.Ot.r.html -michael On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:36:45 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Kim, The solution could be wrapping your storage area in marble. Marble has a curious property--it stays 15 degrees cooler than the surroundings. Not so good for a bathroom floor, as I have discovered. But a great idea for storing foods that need to be cold. While marble may sound expensive, depending where you live, you can pick up a whole bunch absolutely for free. I fulfill all my slab marble and granite needs by visiting the dumpsters of local tile and granite shops. These shops throw away many tons of stone every week! I personally have more than I can use, and nearly killed my rabbit hauling so much stone my shocks were fully compressed. You can even develop a relationship with the workers to have them save aside choice chunks for you before they get thrown in and buried, or broken. Then if you still had to chill it some, at least your refrigeration would be working less of the time. Capra Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 20:41
Subject: [biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
Wrong again, You may not have been paying attention as he played
his game
since the Gulf War, but, I have. He has been kicked inspectors
out of Iraq,
several times, since the end of the Gulf War.
{ken} Your memory may have conveniently failed you. Hussein did not
kick the inspectors out of Iraq. He asked the American members of
the inspection team to leave because they were CIA agents using the
inspections as a cover to spy on Iraq. The response of the
inspection team was to pull everyone out.
Given the standard set by GW should I run into his
house and change the regime? I think not. If we go in and
assume that this is good for us to do what if France decides that
since we have numerous WOMD that we should have a regime change
and masses troops in Quebec? Treaties be damed.
Your missing the point, Saddam has failed to comply with a Peace
Treaty, and several UN resolutions. When is he finally going to
comply? The US on the other hand, has bent over backward with
treaties as that concern WOMD.
(ken} there are many countries that ignore UN resolutions especially
Israel, and treaties are often ignored. The US has not bent over
backward with treaties concerning WOMD. Until just recently no
treaty eliminated nuclear weapons, all the treaties with the Soviet
Union limited future production and occasionally eliminated outdated
weapons. BTW hasn't Bush thumbed his nose at the Kyoto accord and
ignored the ABM treaty?
We could leave him alone and isolated. It worked for 9 years.
Wrong again, all it did was make him think that he can get away
with more.
We left him alone after the Iraq / Iran war, what did he do? He
went into
Kuwait, and caused acts to be committed that almost put him on par
with the
Talaban in some cases.
(ken) don't forget Bush's daddy led him to believe that he could
invade Kuwait with impunity.
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[biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The president is doing what he thinks is right and believes in,
when you do it you call it courage, is it any less for him, I
don't think so.
{ken} how much courage did he show when he joined the national guard
to awoid being drafted and sent to Viet Nam?
done?
We didn't give him arms for that fight. At best, we wanted him
and Iran to knock them selves senseless.
(ken) What history books do you read? Not only did we give him arms
we gave him mustard gas (which he used in Iran and on the Kurds),
Anthrax, and VX nerve gas. Plus we gave him the technology to
construct plants so he could manufacture these himself.
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[biofuel] Engine Transplant
I have a 94 Dodge conversion van with a 318 gasoline engine. It has over 200,000 miles on it and I am thinking that I will need a new engine soon. Does anyone have any ideas on what would be a good diesel transplant? The Cummings diesel used in the Dodge Ram Pickup uses the same tranny but is much to big to fit into the small engine compartment in the van. Ken Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: The oil in Iraq
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me make it known that I do not agree with how Bush is
handling the oil
situation, but at least he is trying to do something (I'm not
talking
about attacking Iraq) his mentioning hydrogen is a start.
{ken riznyk} do you really believe this or is your memory that
defective? Bush's hydrogen ploy is just a sham thrown out to the
public. His real policy was ironed out long before with Dick Cheny
and the oil barons. These are the meetings that Dick currently
refuses to open up to public scrutiny.
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Re: [biofuel]palm source
I found this web site http://www.miles2go.com/suc2.htm --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on that note, I sent off some email a while back for some Jatropha seeds and have still not received any information back from Reinhard. I am kinda miffed cause he was a poster quite often here and on biofuels-biz. Anyone know of a seed source? James Slayden On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Crabb, David wrote: Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
