[Biofuel] Left Coast Events - Victoria Islands - May 8th, 2006 (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:16:15 -0700 From: janine bandcroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Subject: Left Coast Events - Victoria Islands - May 8th, 2006 1. what you can do about operation trident fury 2. Monday May 8, OPPOSE Trident Fury 5 pm/ Peace Coalition meeting 7:30 3. NUU-CHAH-NULTH WALK TO STOP THE VIOLENCE in Indigenous Communities! May 5 - 14 4. Humanists and Greater Victoria Seniors lectures - May 10, 21st 5. next South Island Health coalition meeting - May 11th 6. Antidote play/ fundraiser - May 12th 7. Where's Noonan? - theatre - May 12-14th 8. What is this thing called Iyengar Yoga? - May 13th 9. Second Annual Gurlz Conference! - May 13th 10. CommonBorders Annual General Meeting - May 13th 11. Organic Plant Sale - May 13th 12. Leon Bibb Tuned Air Concert in Victoria - May 13th 13. Saanich Fair - May 13th 14. INSPIRATA CONCERT - May 13th 15. STACEY EARLE MARK STUART COME TO COURTENAY - May 15th 16. Communities Solidarity Coalition - mtg - May 15th 17. Organic Islands Festival 2006 18. Tuesday May, 16 -- Building an All Girls Secondary School in Malawi 19. Rally for Childcare - May 16th 20. Final two workshops in Helping the Helper series! - May June 21. Yaks, Camels and Hope - cooperative - May 17th 22. Festival Volunteers needed - May 22, Victoria Day 23. Saving Small Towns Conference - June 8 9, Cumberland BC 24. Gather the Women-Weaving a World that Works - June 22, 23, 24th 25. Designing Peacebuilding Interventions, Conflict Transformation, and Reconciliation in Divided Communities - June 29, 30, July 1st -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ 1. what you can do about operation trident fury: 1. call CFAX - 250-381-1161 2. call CBC's Almanac - 1-800-669-3733 3. listen to CFUV.UVIC.CA, 101.9 fm, 104.3 cable - Monday, May 8th 5-6 pm - Gorilla Radio, and Thursday, May 11th 11-noon - Winds of Change. Both shows will focus on military related issues. Chances are Medhi will tackle it, too - Friday, May 12th 9-10 am. 4. write a letter to the editor, for example: From: Jan Slakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friends, Below is one letter-to-the-editor... I hope it may inspire more! (I'm sending this to the local Gulf Islands Driftwood newspaper.) Below my letter is a posting from Joan Russow, with a petition to send via e-mail to Minister of DND, Gordon O'Connor, as well as notice of a rally in Victoria. I hope there's a good turn-out! all the best, Jan Dear Editor, Yippee! The Saanich Penninsula and surrounding land, sea and air are to be invaded with ships, planes and troops this week and next, and DND expects it to generate over $2 million in economic spin-offs for the community. And our kids will get to admire the daring young men flying the planes which consume as much gas in an hour or two as the average car does in a year. If we're lucky, they too will have a chance to take part in some future version of this NATO Trident Fury exercise. (If we're not so lucky, and this exercise is intended to soften us up to the idea of having fighter planes bomb our way to peace, what is left of humanity may be struggling to survive... You see, some of these planes have nuclear arms capability and it has become clear that the US government intends to use nuclear weapons under certain circumstances. I'm sure they don't want to start a nuclear WAR, but I don't think they planned to have their shock and awe attack on Iraq turn into the quagmire it has become either) At least one of the types of Trident Fury aircraft is built by Lockheed Martin. Canadians are learning a lot about this company, because our government awarded it the census contract, and many people are rather upset by that. They say that Lockheed Martin is a war profiteer, which hires out private contractors which torture people and which has violated the US Arms Export Control Act and many other laws. In sum, it seems to be one of the world's most corrupt and nefarious companies. But heck, after all, we've all invested in the arms trade and the tobacco industry and who knows what else through our Canada Pension Plan. So why should we pay attention to people like Mel Hurtig who urge us to put more effort into the census than usual via websites like vivelecanada.ca and countmeout.ca? Spring has sprung, so let's slap on some sunscreen and enjoy ourselves before climate change and all that other boring stuff gets out of hand. Sincerely, Jan Slakov 5. circulate and sign the petition: from: Joan Russow [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAMPAIGN AND PETITION AGAINST THE EXERCISE TRIDENT FURY On May 6th, a delegation of about 15 citizens with membership in many community groups in Victoria went to Canadian Forces Base Esquimalt at 10 am to present a petition calling upon the Department of Defence to cancel the Exercise Trident Fury scheduled to take place in and around Victoria from May 8th to May 17. The
Re: [Biofuel] WVO sources and other stuff
Here in Canada there are apparently regulations now in place that prohibit animal waste going into livestock feed because of the mad cow situation. Here on the Left Coast, I have noticed several waste management/rendering companies becoming pretty big biodiesel producers. While I feel reticent about big business/monopoly/big lobby stuff in general, I find this transformation of the rendering industry a positive step. That's my two cents. Kenji Fuse On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, greg Kelly wrote: After being turned away by several Asian restaurants to collect their oil, I tried a different tact. I contacted some of the people that collect the stuff and process it. There were a couple of interesting things I found out. The most telling thing I found is just how arrogant some of these rendering companies can be. What they turn waste veggie into (probably no revelation to you long term folks) is animal feed. When I first heard that, I thought they mix it with something like soy and add the mix to other established feed stocks. But, noo. It was described as the gravy on mashed potatoes. If a cow will eat mashed potatoes, you will eat more potatoes if it has gravy on it. Then, after a series of phone calls (that many bio-dieselers have apparently also done), I finally got to someone that would talk to me. Most just said no and referred me on to someone else. But this person simply said they didn?t want to mess with small quantities and to go away. Then he added that if ALL the waste veggie was diverted from animal feed to biodiesel, it wouldn?t amount to an eyedropper full in the ocean. It looks like I will have to keep looking for an Asian restaurant or some other type of place. I have made a couple of sample batches and all I can say is that I am glad I am using JtF for guidance. Otherwise, I would have a lot of junk to reprocess. I am hoping that by my third sample batch I will have the technique down. The first failure was due to bad technique, the second because of poor design (on my part) of the reaction chamber. Keith wrote Windows ethanol, aarghh! Don't forget to keep your patches up to date or your motor will get a virus. :-) In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates? Sorry, I don't much care for the gentleman. You certainly have a liberal view and usage of the word gentleman. :-) He is what I am afraid of happening to home brewer: big money entering the field to the point of buying politicians and bureaucrats and excluding the small guy. My opinion is that he is the Bin Laden of the business world. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Around Skagit Valley
Howdy neighbour! If you ever take vacations out to Vancouver Island, let me know (the more advance warning I have the better) and you can watch me mix chemicals in my primitive, 'brain cooking' fashion. I'm in bee-yoo-tee-full Victoria. We might even have a decent processor up and running if this darned co-op thing ever gets off the ground. Maybe after this Sunday... Anyways, if you haven't made a litre of biodiesel in a pop bottle, I highly recommend that as a learning test. No fumes, small amounts of caustic methoxide, quick and easy to see your results; satisfying! THere's lots of instructions on the web; many call it the Dr. Pepper method. Good luck! Kenji Fuse 250.598.5991 PS. If you do contact me, make sure to mention that you're from the biofuels list so I'm not defensive or off-putting. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, bill wrote: Ok, enough watching the list. As the price of fuel has steadily increased I have been gathering containers, pumps, hoses and fittings. and am ready to pursue gathering and manufacturing process. My dilemma is that although I have been reading/research and so forth, I learn better through observation and hands on. (Guess I'm afraid of failure.) So my question: Is there is someone around Mount Vernon, WA, who would be willing to show me their operation and allow me to watch the process and ask questions? especially with raw chemicals. I have read/heard of some commercial operation in bellingham. Don't know where and I haven't found it yet. This would be ok but they don't operate the same as us backyard guys. (or do they??) Thanks in advance Bill Thomas ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Let me choose
This perception that the Canadian government is somehow 'softer' than that
in the USA puzzles me these days.
Canadian people are nice, sure, but so are Americans. And Canadians abroad
are only marginally less presumptious than Americans at best.
My point is that the Canadian government is becoming increasingly more
similar to our neighbour's to the south. Maybe they aren't quite as
sluggish yet, but they're getting there. It has recently been postulated
that a military coup has occurred here, as a military spokesman recently
announced that they are in Afghanistan and Iraq to 'kill people', not to
be peace keepers. This dramatic change in overt policy was not created in
the house of commons, or even the prime minister's office; instead, it was
created by the ministry of defense, and the government has just gone along
with it, embarrassed of losing credibility should the media and public
realize they are not controlling the military.
Canadians hear and watch so much American media, including intelligent
progressives like Mr. Moore lauding Canadian civility, not to mention the
pefected state propaganda, that they believe they are 'better' than
Americans and don't question and challenge their own backyard, backwater
and backwards government.
All the best,
Kenji
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Michael Redler wrote:
Sorry for the confusion Kenji. My post was a compliment to the sensibilities
of the Canadian people, not necessarily it's government.
You said: If Canada ran the whole show, not much would be different than
the US running the whole show, except Harper Bush would say please, thank you
and pardon me a whole lot more.
Sorry again Kenji. I don't see it. When I travel, I don't see Canadians
expecting preferential treatment, as if their government has convinced them
that being the leader of the free world is their destiny and that the world
owes them a debt of gratitude. More importantly, I don't see a radicalization
of the Canadian government despite taking a big step to the right. Then
again, I guess it's about what you're comparing it to.
Michael Moore accurately pointed out in Bowling for Columbine that
despite having an equal number of firearms in circulation, Canada only shares
a small fraction of the homicide statistics recorded in the US. This speaks
volumes about what's wrong in my country and collective culture.
The hockey analogy is vulnerable to interpretation and I feel the need to
make another clarification. Hockey is BIG in Canada and my reference does not
limit your choices to the NHL or the Olympics (for example). If I was forming
a team of players from local schools and I was given a choice of where to
recruit those players from a map as a result of a dart throw, I'd probably be
better off if the dart landed North of the border.
If nothing in this message makes sense to you, I'll sum up by saying that
my Canadian friends show no signs or symptoms of being part of an empire.
THIS is what's at the core of my last post.
Mike
Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The hockey metaphor is a good one. If acumen at hockey is equated with
'running the whole show', then Canada is getting rotten tomatos thrown at
her, judging by our Home on Native Land's abyssmal performance at
the Torino Winter Olympics ('the true NOR strong NOR free').
If Canada ran the whole show, not much would be different than the US
running the whole show, except Harper Bush would say please, thank you and
pardon me a whole lot more. And the propaganda would be much more subtle
(standard Canadian state propaganda: Canada may be in a mess right now,
but aren't you glad you're NOT AMERICAN?).
Kenji Fuse
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Michael Redler wrote:
Damn! If hockey decided the fate of nations, Canadians would be running the
whole show.
Of course, Canadians can't make sense of the white man's burden, no
matter how many Molsons you give 'em. So, I wouldn't expect them to do
stuff like put Kofe Annan up against the glass and have bench clearing
brawls with developing countries who can't afford skates, sticks or proper
padding because the IMF repossessed their equipment as part of a loan
bailout agreement.
Mike
JJJN wrote:
Imagine if we could get GW to play center :)
Michael Redler wrote:
Imagine Iraqi leaders starting every session wearing everything but
the skates.
...if only the soldiers could be replaced with NHL refs and the worst
that ever happened was a few broken bones and some missing teeth.
Mike
*/JJJN /* wrote:
Iraq policy debates would be the equal to a good Canadian Hockey
game :)
Michael Redler wrote:
What would happen if US voters watched CSPAN with the same
enthusiasm
they watch Major League Baseball, the NBA or NFL?
Your favorite Senator or Congressperson would make a speech and you
high-five your pretzel eating friends on either
Re: [Biofuel] what is best sources for WVO?
After travelling across the USA and Canada on used grease, I definitely recommend trying the Asian places first. Nine out of ten times, they have the cleanest oil. Here at home, I get all the oil I need from two Japanese restaurants, and a fancy-pants place where a friend of mine works. Good luck! Kenji Fuse On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, greg Kelly wrote: I am wondering about where to start my search for places to get my WVO when I am ready for it. With Italian, Mexican and Asian restaraunts in abundance, in addition to the usual burger joints, which is likely to produce a better product? I did some scrolling through the archives, but apparently wasn't using the right method/words to get anywhere quickly. After about 30 minutes, my eyes gave out and I am posting this message. Thanks in advance for any and all help in advance. Greg Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Let me choose
The hockey metaphor is a good one. If acumen at hockey is equated with
'running the whole show', then Canada is getting rotten tomatos thrown at
her, judging by our Home on Native Land's abyssmal performance at
the Torino Winter Olympics ('the true NOR strong NOR free').
If Canada ran the whole show, not much would be different than the US
running the whole show, except Harper Bush would say please, thank you and
pardon me a whole lot more. And the propaganda would be much more subtle
(standard Canadian state propaganda: Canada may be in a mess right now,
but aren't you glad you're NOT AMERICAN?).
Kenji Fuse
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Michael Redler wrote:
Damn! If hockey decided the fate of nations, Canadians would be running the
whole show.
Of course, Canadians can't make sense of the white man's burden, no
matter how many Molsons you give 'em. So, I wouldn't expect them to do stuff
like put Kofe Annan up against the glass and have bench clearing brawls with
developing countries who can't afford skates, sticks or proper padding
because the IMF repossessed their equipment as part of a loan bailout
agreement.
Mike
JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Imagine if we could get GW to play center :)
Michael Redler wrote:
Imagine Iraqi leaders starting every session wearing everything but
the skates.
...if only the soldiers could be replaced with NHL refs and the worst
that ever happened was a few broken bones and some missing teeth.
Mike
*/JJJN /* wrote:
Iraq policy debates would be the equal to a good Canadian Hockey
game :)
Michael Redler wrote:
What would happen if US voters watched CSPAN with the same
enthusiasm
they watch Major League Baseball, the NBA or NFL?
Your favorite Senator or Congressperson would make a speech and you
high-five your pretzel eating friends on either side. There could
even be a cottage merchandising industry - you know, inflatable
chairs, cheese-head hats for your favorite representative from
Wisconsin, etc.
Mike
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[Biofuel] more mercedes help
This is a solicitation for help from the Mercedes buffs out there. Some of you will say 'go to a mercedes forum', but last time there were several really useful replies. I plan to install a second fuel tank next week, so now I have to decide how to do it. The vehicle is a 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D. Here's the big question: It seems the injector pump has a lift pump on it's side, where the original fuel line first goes, before going to the main fuel filter and into the ip (is this a correct assumption?). Do I have to put the solenoid fuel tank selector valve before this, or can I leave the original fuel line as is and put the solenoid right before the fuel feed into the injector pump proper? Thanks in advance, Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
What did I miss here? Propranolol helps maintain memory? In the classical music biz, propranolol use is endemic. A perfectionist approach has permeated the industry since hi-fi recordings have upped the ante. I use the drug when I have to play nerve-wracking solos in front of 1400 people, and the conductor is being an a-hole and trying to fire people (we have a woman conductor right now, and she's more stubborn in this regard than anyone previous!). All it seems to do is limit the amount of adrenalin produced due to stress, so I don't get that dreaded shakey-bow-arm. I've never noticed it affecting memory, in fact I still can feel 'nervous', but the resulting adrenalin rush is suppressed. Kenji Fuse On Sun, 12 Mar 2006, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Mike Propranolol throws a wrench into that self-perpetuating system by interfering with the amygdala's receptors and ultimately allowing victims to maintain a level of memory similar to that of a bystander. But they weren't bystanders. What a cop-out. Not erasing memories they say, but what's it matter if you just don't care about them anymore? This is just telling yourself lies, isn't it? That's the usual way these days, eh, switch channels and pretend it didn't happen. Dumb everyone down. It doesn't work well. Sure, stuff happens, random traumas, as they say, but if you can't face something you yourself did, not as an innocent bystander, well maybe you just have to come to terms with it one way or another, and with yourself too. What BS to conclude that if the amygdala's giving you traumas then your brain isn't working properly and needs adjustment. Maybe it IS working properly and it's your attitudes that need adjustment. Now if they'd said anything about torture victims, but they didn't, the main aim seems to be the soldiers. Does anything know anything about soldiers being given drugs before going into combat, as has been alleged? By the way, does anyone think that development of this drug represents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected by killing for their country? Yes, if that's primarily what it's to be used for. Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, eminent attacks! Bravo! But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience. Ulp... Have you seen what the ETC Group (RAFI) says about the convergence of biotech, nanotechnology and neural manipulation? I don't think they're just setting up a clamour. See, eg: http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=159 ETC Century: Erosion, Technological Transformation, and Corporate Concentration in the 21st Century http://etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=249 HyPEing the Human Genome: The Dissent Disease One final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children. That's mostly the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda - one of the worst human-rights crises of the past century. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/001/18.30.html Deliver Us from Kony Why the children of Uganda are killing one another in the name of the Lord. by J. Carter Johnson in Kitgum, Uganda | posted 12/30/2005 10:00 a.m. This is partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a taught behavior). Hm. I think not entirely a taught behaviour. What's the minimum age a kid might say That's not fair! or You cheated!? But I won't argue about it. All best Keith Could this be an indication that the US military is running out of teen-age recruits? ...just a thought. Mike Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PTSD Combat Brew by ilona http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories By http://www.tpmcafe.com/user/1273/recentilona | http://www.tpmcafe.com/user/1273bio Scientists are using their growing knowledge of brain chemicals -- and the role they play in saving and accessing memories -- to find ways to help people coping with one symptom of PTSD: the painful replay of traumatic memories. We'll review today's Chicago Tribune article, http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0603030157mar03,1, 2707614.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hedDrug Eases Pain of Bad Memories, to get an update on progress in this somewhat controversial area; and we'll take a look at results of studies conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health on the role the brain plays in PTSD. [more] http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444 ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
Does anybody have any info on hydrid diesels in North America? My friend is interestd in the idea and would probably buy one, but we can't find anything on the market. Aren't passenger car diesel hybrids up and running in Europe? Kenji Fuse On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, MH wrote: I was listening to a radio program about Hybrid cars. The two state of WI dealerships mentioned dealership battery replacement costs were decreasing to US$3000 and they figured they might reach US$1500 as new models hit the road over the coming years. They talked about battery warranty and they figured they'd last 200,000 miles. I've had gasoline cars go 240,000 miles before rebuilding the engine, trany or differential exceeding the manufacture warranty. Something else they said about the Honda and Toyota were they could continue to run without the battery pack but with reduced fuel efficiency in the city. Resale value is still quite high for hybrids and diesels around my area although I'm having difficulty finding my older Geo Metro's but their around. I wouldn't mind a diesel or a E85 hybrid in a fuel efficient version for local use. I prefer my bicycle and limit my internal combustion use when needed. Thank you Mark. Enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. The financial numbers just don't work. My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$2.60/45 = 5.8 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $2.60/55 = 4.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average5.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$2.35/60 = 3.9 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $2.35/51 = 4.6 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average4.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000 $7000/100K = 7 cents/mile Total = 4.25 + 7.00 = 11.25 Cents/Miles Converted to French fuel prices and Taxes: http://www.day-tripper.net/pricespetrol.html Diesel = 1.036 euro/Liter Petro(95) = 1.209 euro/Liter Converted (1.19E/usd and 3.79 lt/gal) Diesel = 1.036 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $4.67/gal Petro = 1.209 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $5.45/gal My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$4.67/45 = 10.4 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $4.67/55 = 8.5 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.45 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$5.45/60 = 9.0 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $5.45/51 = 10.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.85 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000/19%vat = $8330 $8330/100K = 8.3 cents/mile Total = 9.85 + 8.30 = 18.15 Cents/Miles In the US and Europe a diesel is about 1/2 the operating cost of a hybrid. Another thing to consider is maintenance/repair and life expectancy. My last VW diesel Died a honable death at 476,000 miles. My current one is at 243,000 miles and still running strong. My guess is if you can get 200K-250K out of a hybrid gas engine you are doing good. Also working on diesel is relatively straight forward. Will have to say VW has coupled the computer to the engine quite tightly. It make for interesting trouble shooting when things are not working perfectly. Mark Andrew Netherton wrote: I'll bet that research would show a mighty quick return on investment if they had done the study based on European fuel costs, and not our cheaper-than-bottled-water fuel here in North America. Andrew Netherton ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Monoxide in Red Meat - incompetence in the FDA
I always assumed carotene comes from carrots - am I wrong here? Kenji Fuse On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Bob In the case of farmed salmon, I believe the dye is added to the diet, not the processed flesh, (not that it makes a lot of difference) http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/123199_dye23.html similarly, the yolks of commercial eggs are yellow only because large amounts of carotenes are added to the diet. Otherwise the chickens which never leave the house would produce eggs which were essentially colorless. Ulp! Yuk. Do you happen to know where the added carotene comes from? Also, do you or does anybody know if battery chickens are fed some or other additive to make the eggshells brown rather than white? That was being done in the UK in the 70s following market research that found a public preference for brown eggs, according to a news report I saw at the time, but I never heard anything further about it. Not surprisingly: Donna Fezler of Grand Cypress Ranch did a funded, controlled study of the nutritional value of grocery-store vs free-range eggs. She had three groups of chicks, fed on free-choice non-medicated commercial feed, with one group fed a supplement of cooked free-range eggs twice a day, a second fed the same amount of grocery-store eggs, and the third a control getting only the free-choice feed. The grocery store egg fed group ate more than any group by 28 days and weighed the least ... the grocery eggs were actually negative nutrition. The birds in that group had poor feed efficiency, consuming the most feed and having the least weight gain. The free-range egg fed birds were 22.4% heavier than the grocery egg fed birds... There were residual effects of the grocery egg on the chicks' development... There is an issue here: grocery store eggs did not even provide the same nutrition as nothing at all with these chicks. :-( Best Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, this is allowed in the USA. For example, dye is used for farmed salmon to give the grey meat a pink color Rachel -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joe Street *Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:04 AM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Monoxide in Red Meat - incompetence in the FDA Also red dye is used on meat. I think this is not allowed in USA but in Canada I'm pretty sure it is legal. Joe lres1 wrote: For years the tube lights above the meat storage areas have been emitting slightly red rays to make the meat look red. If you take meat from the meat stall and put it under the lights in the cooler for green veggies you will see the change in color of the meat. The change is also due to a green given off by the tube lights to make the vegetables look fresh. Tube lights (Mercury vapor) with phosphorous lining has been used for years with added chemicals in the tubes to enhance the stalls/coolers where the different foods are on display. Ever wandered why the meat looks red in the chiller and off red at the checkout? Doug. - Original Message - *From:* Kirk McLoren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Monoxide in Red Meat - incompetence in the FDA *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename No virus was detected in the attachment no filename No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***-*** the people in positions of authority have demonstrated incompetence to deal with economic influence. A useful resource for toxicology is http://www.fpnotebook.com/index.htm lead http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER118.htm CO carbon monoxide http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER116.htm pulmonary intoxicants http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER131.htm unknown ingestion http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER105.htm Kirk */Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: /*/Apparently, the FDA didn't want to feel left out and joined the party./*/ **EPA**: C.H.E.E.R.S. program paying poor families to submit children to pesticide testing **FEMA**: All I have to say is - Katrina **FDA**: see below. //Mike// //// //FDA Asked to Prohibit use of Carbon Monoxide in
Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group
Oh let them have their moment in the sun. The rain will soon fall on their parade and they'll come running to you and this list asking for advice and what-not. I'm trusting you will embrace them with open arms when that happens. Kenji Fuse On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Keith Addison wrote: I wish people would stop saying this, it's endlessly regurgitated but it's not true: The original combustion fuel used by Rudolf Diesel in 1900 in his prototype compression engine was derived from peanut oil, the first ever biodiesel. - Australian Biodiesel Group This is even worse - peanut oil is biodiesel, good grief. Also... The chemistry of transesterification has been well understood for many years. However, until recently, the leading technologies have been extremely expensive and/or cumbersome due to inconsistent production quality. The Europeans have dealt with these issues by limiting the preferred feedstock for biodiesel produced there to canola oil. LOL! What BS. Just another commercial operation that ain't gonna change the world, nor anything much, IMNSHO. Best Keith Kirk McLoren wrote: Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get that rubbish? Kirk It's not deliberately added, but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of lubrication for the injector pump. My understanding is that it needs to be replaced in very low sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as they point out here. In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added intentionally. --- David */Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Spotted this in the March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this group in Calgary. http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_0 6.pdf page 15 === French fries, fried chicken and other fast food may have a bad rap for their calorie-laden fat content. But the greasiest junk food may provide the fuel of choice for Canadaís trucking industry and other diesel-powered machinery in the near future. At least, thatís what a group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the provinceís first biodiesel refinery. ìWe think thereís a lot of potential,î says Patrick Luft, co-founder of the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which has plans to begin producing up to 20 million litres of biodiesel per year in a plant on the outskirts of Calgary. ìThe beauty of biodiesel is that itís a renewable fuel, it lubricates engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas emissions as well.î Luft and partner Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern Alberta slaughterhouses into fuel that can power diesel engines.ìBecause the industry is in its infancy,weíll have to start off using new canola oil, but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and non-edible vegetable oil products,î Luft says.ìIt will be a modular plant so it can be quickly ramped up as demand grows.î Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a new air pollution law comes into effect in June, dropping the maximum allowable sulphur content in diesel fuel to 15 parts per million (ppm) from 500 ppm. Sulphur is added to diesel fuel as an engine lubricant. A two-per-cent addition of biodiesel is considered to have the same lubricating power as 500 ppm of sulphur. The Calgary Biodiesel Centre is scouting for possible plant sites near Balzac and in the Municipal District of Rockyview and hopes to begin construction this summer. Once the plant is operating, Luft says, it will be an easily-accessible source of biodiesel for fleets and organizations like the City of Calgary, which has begun using biodiesel in its vehicle fleet. ìThere are a lot of potential customers,î says Luft,ìbecause more and more people are becoming aware of the benefits of biodiesel.î === -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] micro-organisms in feedstock
I've got some old oil with a few dollops of whitish-green mold growing on top. I'm thinking of trying to turn it into biodiesel, but I don't want to add biocide until the process is done. Anyone have links or info on using micro-organism-infected feedstock for biodiesel? Does the reaction kill them? KF ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Co-operative meeting reminder
Hey Andrew, Glad to hear the meeting's happening soon. Please keep me posted as to where it leads. Kenji Fuse On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Andrew Netherton wrote: Greetings, This is a reminder for the first meeting of the Waterloo biofuel co-operative. The meeting is on Tuesday, March 14th at 7pm in Waterloo. The location is Sobeys at 450 Columbia Street (at Fischer-Hallman) in Waterloo in the community room upstairs (enter and go left). Please feel free to forward this message on to anyone else that may be interested in either attending or following our progress. If you have previously cross-posted information about this meeting on another mail list or forum, please post this reminder as well. Any questions can be forwarded to myself. Thanks, and see you there! Andrew Netherton ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] stuck in wash cycle
So I have a 60 litre batch in my wash tank that's not doing too well. New source of not-so-good-quality used oil; didn't do a titration (doh!); reacted well (two-stage base-base); didn't do a wash test (double doh!). The first wash produced a really milky wash water, and the fuel was ever-so-emulsified. I went ahead and did a second wash, hoping for the best. It's still ever-so-emulsified (yellowish-orange, cloudy, with a few wisps of what seems like emulsion). I think it will settle in the next few days, but... I'm out of fuel and I don't want to go to the service station. So a couple of questions: I'm thinking of dumping some good-quality, filtered wvo in my tank, which has about 15-20 litres of washed biodiesel in it. I'm worried about washed biodiesel reacting with the straight veggie. Any thoughts? THe biodiesel was pH 7 (litmus paper), and washed four times, specific gravity 0.880, really clear. I never thought about what happens mixing ASTM biodiesel or near-ASTm bioD with veggie before. Any feedback greatly appreciated.\ Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!
I've never even heard of monbiot but I'm never surprised when Editors champion a so-called 'liberal' or 'environmentalist' who turns out to be an apologist for status quo and the media's sponsors. That's 'balance' these days... kf On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Julian Voelcker wrote: You really should just ignore George Mombiot. He's just a silly little man full of his own importance and always has been. He likes to provide an opinion on everything from the environment, biofuels, class structure, etc and I am yet to find anyone that agrees with his opinions. What surprises me is that there are Editors out there willing to publish his drivel. -- Regards, Julian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!
Hi Burak, I don't think most used cooking oil is dumped in the sewer any more. The rendering industry is quite huge in the glutanous northern hemisphere. I've heard they make make-up and livestock feed with the stuff, as well as a few chemicals even. Not to say homebrewed biodiesel isn't a better use, and makes me want to pay double the price for a free range chicken. Kenji On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Burak_l wrote: Mr Monbiot also misses the point that WVO is already there. And if not converted to biodiesel it will be dumped to the sewage. Unfortunately there are many writers who do not think in depth or they lack the information and intellectual development to say the least. But they justify their existence with contraversies and creating small fights on details. Hence they attrack attention. Yesterday I read an article on my daily news paper promoting the use nuclear power. The writer claimed that it was cleaner than the fossil based fuels and it was the way to go.. He has missed the aftermath of the nuclear power plants (like how long it takes to clean them up) and also why we need to save and consider alternatives first. Nice guy. Regards Burak Cedetas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:42 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?! Well, the bright lad obviously hadn't or hasn't heard of algae derived biofuels. His arguments are dinosaurs and no doubt he's aware of it. Enjoying the attention, but also aware of his flaws/omissions in logic. Todd Swearingen Michael Redler wrote: *What’s up with George Monbiot?!* He calls himself an environmentalist? Put lightly, this guy's a little annoying. In December, 2004 George Monbiot wrote an article titled “Feeding Cars, Not People”. http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2004/11/23/feeding-cars-not-people/ In December, 2006 George Monbiot commented: “By promoting biodiesel as a substitute, we have missed the fact that it is worse than the fossil-fuel burning it replaces” http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5349045-103390,00.html It’s alarming how many short sighted articles there are in such well known newspapers, magazines and web sites. I can’t think of any kind of article which is more damaging to progressive energy strategies than those where the authors refers to themselves as environmentalists then, sound the alarm about clean and sustainable alternatives. In his 2004 article he said: /“Those who worry about the scale and intensity of today's agriculture should consider what farming will look like when it is run by the oil industry.”/ // After mentioning the “scale and intensity of today’s agriculture” and including a reference to a Monsanto promotion in his list of sources, he still feels that the oil industry is the one threatening to monopolize the World’s biofuel production. Can ANYONE with any knowledge of what’s going on, be so myopic as to write an article which warns of the positioning of huge agricultural companies like Monsanto and explicitly argue an entirely different threat to the World’s crops from the oil industry? Mr. Monbiot’s analysis concludes that there will be a “catastrophic” impact on the global food supply and supports his position by calculating the farm land necessary to replace a quantity of petroleum with an equal quantity of biofuel. This analysis is seriously flawed and here are a few reasons why (although I think I'm preaching to the choir here): /“If, as some environmentalists demand, it is to happen worldwide, then most of the arable surface of the planet will be deployed to produce food for cars, not people.”/ // Mr. Monbiot’s example of “arable surface” is the available 5.7m hectares in the United Kingdom. I have no reason to believe that he considered the seven tenths of the Earth’s surface which until recently, has been a source of food but not fuel. It demonstrates potential as one of the best and most concentrated sources for biofuel plant cultivation in the form of algae. But let’s go back to the original premise that you need to replace every quantity of petroleum fuel with the same quantity of biofuel when discussing road transportation. Despite the initial success of gasoline-electric hybrids and the expected success of other hybrid configurations (i.e. diesel and flex-fuel) being pretty unambiguous, it’s not mentioned at all as something which can seriously effect fuel consumption. Fuel for transportation has one attribute which gives it a special set of variables – it moves. So, what we are really talking about is the storage of potential energy from which a vehicle can be able to accelerate freely and untethered. Again, the only form of potential energy for transportation, according to the article, is
Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!
Hi Mike, As I posted a few months ago, the environmental 'elite' are not the only ones crying wolf about biodiesel. The anarchist (and mostly excellent) indymedia.org [?] ran an article titled something like Biodiesel will kill Thousands! It made no mention of the fact that biodiesel is the perfect 'locally produced' fuel, and therefore a real tool towards social change against monopolistic forces. Instead, it only warned of future use of food land for corporate fuel production, which is a valid argument, but should be balanced with the progressive and positive attributes of biodiesel. Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Compressed air wash
I'm finally putting away my mister and bubble stone. Thanks, Keith and Todd, for your persistent good advice. There were a couple of discouraging moments there, but I've kept better records since and now stir washing saves me a lot of time. Anybody need a mister or bubble-stone? Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry
Hi Zeke, Yeah, diy is pretty exempt from most regulations, I guess. But I still get my methoxide and lye from the local hardware and car supply stores, and on a couple of recent visits I've been accused of making crystal meth! (this has to do with 'meth-watch', a public interest group advocating shop managers keep their eyes on purchasers of the main ingredients of meth-making) I prefer biodiesel off the radar, is all. Now that official p[olicy is being set, I wouldn't be surprised if actual restrictive laws were enacted specifically prohibiting biodiesel production in the home. Kenji Fuse On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Zeke Yewdall wrote: If you don't sell your fuel, aren't there exemptions? For example, you have to have all kinds of business licenses to do just about anything for hire, but do it for yourself, and no one cares. On 2/21/06, Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So here's the latest I've found for Canada. The push is on for the government of Canada to establish a Federal registration and certification program for all biodiesel producers, importers to guarantee all biodiesel into the Canadian petroleum fuel distribution system meets the accepted North American quality standard ASTM D6751. Quality = Good Registration and Certification at the Government Level = BAD Here's the full report: http://www.www.canadianbioenergy.com/Resources/ DEVELOPING_A_CANADIAN_BIODIESEL_INDUSTRY.pdf My worry is the micro- and small-scale producer (ie backyard brewer) is going to be penalized if not criminalized, very shortly in Canada. Let's have our own accreditation system so I can talk to my elected offical and make sure we aren't screwed over in favour of big tax dollar lobbyists! Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves
I wasn't talking aboout the ASTM test, although one of these days I'm going to talk to politicians and bureaucrats about getting the 'distillate curve' off the Canadian specs. All I meant is that we write up a 'biodiesel safe' thingy, like those silly foodsafe courses waiters and grocery store clerks have to take (after wiping your bum, wash your hands). Why let ignorant and liability-conscious politicos do it in a year or so, when we could do it easily, better and beat them to it? KF On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Nigel Kelly wrote: As funny as that is - I see merit in it. I'm new here, so some comments may be of ignorance - excuse them if they are ... but... Is there a standard we can specify that meets and exceeds the various aspects of current certification testing? Take the most stringent of each apsect to be tested - viscosity, pH etc - and have a single, HIGHER standard which would mean anything meeting that standard automatically meets all the others. This gives the biodieselers the high ground. We can demonstrate we're happy to step up to the mark - in fact we're interested in exceeding it (we are... right?) Striving for perfection is an admirable thing - I also realise it's not a real worl thing... but as a guiding principle it's good. Nigel - Original Message - From: Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves Would any of you be willing to dub me a lord of biodiesel' or something? Seriously, I think it would be a good idea if this list put together a dumb-ass 'certification' test so we could hang it on our walls and point to it should some regulatory agent come snooping around our setups threatening to shut us down. Because we are from all over the world, it would have the kind of untouchability of Amnesty, and good luck to a regulator trying to actually find out about the 'certificate'! I can feel you all already getting your feathers ruffled at this proposal. I think I'm going to try to put something together for the local co-op, so I would greatly appreciate all your critical feedback (but go easy on the insults). Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves
This was what I was getting at, Zeke, but you've put it much more eloquently and succinctly. I agree that this biofuels list would make a great self-certification group, especially as Canadians tend to have this built-in inferiority complex; and since this list is so international, it would have clout up here. Kenji On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Zeke Yewdall wrote: There is a lot of power in self-certification from trade groups (which the biofuels list essentially is for biodiesel, even if we don't think of ourselves that way).A relevant example from the PV industry. Colorado has had an active trade group that has an examination, continuing ed, and training process in order to maintain certification for designing and installing PV systems.When the utility was required to install a couple of MW of PV after losing a public vote last year, the entity they eventually started negotiating with was our trade group. And guess whose web page they refer people to to find an installer. Compare this to Oregon, where there was no grass routes certification process. There, the state legislature I believe, decided, after some shoddy systems going in, that only licensed electricians could touch PV modules. Technically, anyone else is not even allowed to take them out of the box. However, these licensed electricians have no requirement to know a thing about PV, and if they go by traditional high voltage wiring practices, could actually made a pretty dangerous system too. Sounds sort of like the biodiesel industry, where homebrewers produce high quality product (and some don't...), and some commercial firms produce crap. But you know who the government is going to put quality control to if they end of legislating something before we show that we are policing ourselves. On 2/22/06, Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't talking aboout the ASTM test, although one of these days I'm going to talk to politicians and bureaucrats about getting the 'distillate curve' off the Canadian specs. All I meant is that we write up a 'biodiesel safe' thingy, like those silly foodsafe courses waiters and grocery store clerks have to take (after wiping your bum, wash your hands). Why let ignorant and liability-conscious politicos do it in a year or so, when we could do it easily, better and beat them to it? KF On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Nigel Kelly wrote: As funny as that is - I see merit in it. I'm new here, so some comments may be of ignorance - excuse them if they are ... but... Is there a standard we can specify that meets and exceeds the various aspects of current certification testing? Take the most stringent of each apsect to be tested - viscosity, pH etc - and have a single, HIGHER standard which would mean anything meeting that standard automatically meets all the others. This gives the biodieselers the high ground. We can demonstrate we're happy to step up to the mark - in fact we're interested in exceeding it (we are... right?) Striving for perfection is an admirable thing - I also realise it's not a real worl thing... but as a guiding principle it's good. Nigel - Original Message - From: Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves Would any of you be willing to dub me a lord of biodiesel' or something? Seriously, I think it would be a good idea if this list put together a dumb-ass 'certification' test so we could hang it on our walls and point to it should some regulatory agent come snooping around our setups threatening to shut us down. Because we are from all over the world, it would have the kind of untouchability of Amnesty, and good luck to a regulator trying to actually find out about the 'certificate'! I can feel you all already getting your feathers ruffled at this proposal. I think I'm going to try to put something together for the local co-op, so I would greatly appreciate all your critical feedback (but go easy on the insults). Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the transit buses with the Powered By Biodiesel logos painted on the side currently false advertise). But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. Cheers all, Kenji On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it really confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel but I haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? See also: http://www.vibesproject.ca/ VIBES Biodiesel http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm Projects Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
Hi Keith, If you still have the Canucks email, you might pass him my email if he's interested in the direction a bunch of us are going. At the meeting about co-ops we held the other day, the issue Kees' gang came up, and I agree with you. He's a sour puss, sure, but he knows his stuff and critical feedback is only positive. Besides, a bit of our odour might rub off on him for the better. Kenji On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Kenji, thanks. The Canadian who sent it to me and said it proved our point also told me that come summer he'll be starting his test-batches so he can fuel his pick-up. I rather wondered how much the report said about people like him (unkempt backyarders, LOL!). From what you say I think he might prove our point more than it does. I'm glad you give it a good rating, despite the pro-business angle. No reason why the two camps shouldn't work well together, as indeed they often do (but probably more often don't). Thanks again Best Keith The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the transit buses with the Powered By Biodiesel logos painted on the side currently false advertise). But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. Cheers all, Kenji On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it really confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel but I haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? See also: http://www.vibesproject.ca/ VIBES Biodiesel http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm Projects Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study
Wha-da-fah? Why are so many diesel machanic's so resistant? Only the best ones here get a chuckle over biodiesel; the rest always have a concerned, scared, angry or blank look in their eyes. The reason the buses stopped is, I believe, because the contract was up. I think the project was a test run and had a life of two years (I think). So now I think Kees' co-op (co-opted?) is probably trying to fill the gap and supply these folks (this is only my conjecture) with homebrew. Btter than importing it! By the way, we had a good 'backyarders' coop meeting the other day. I'm still pushing for a decentralized, donate-yer-surplus-and-split-the-proceeds-later model, but some seem to really want to acquire commercial space and build a space-age processor before we even begin. I'll keep you informed. Kenji On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Joe Street wrote: Hey Kenji; Interesting news that bit about the buses. Recently this dude shows up at a meeting of another club I belong to and when I mildly suggest at the meeting that we try BD as a substitute for two stroke oil in our rotax 582 tug engine (only half joking) this guy pipes up with oh biodiesel, you want to stay the hell away from that stuff (them's fightin words bro) So anyways it turns out the dude is a diesel mechanic for the city of Guelph which had mandated B20 for the entire fleet. They had a lot of problems related to cold temps and also water content blowing off injector tips (nasty eh?) so I think they are only running 5% at present. I wonder if this is what was found out in your neck of the woods as well? Co-product ye ( taps fingers together in smither-esque fashion) and that long cylindrical unit comming off the reactor is not a condenser but rather a coaxial drying unit Joe Kenji James Fuse wrote: The WISE Energy folks are very knowledgeable and have produced an excellent report, which will be an invaluable resource for everyone making biodiesel on Vancouver Island (Victoria). Kees represents the 'business'-minded part of the biodiesel movement, to me. He expends alot of time and energy acquiring the grants necessary to produce a report like his. He also seems to spend much energy making business dealings with many of the bigger players - the local petro company, BC Transit, local Canada Post, etc. They managed to get a public works pump sell B20 to members (you can't get on the list anymore). The irony was the biodiesel was being imported from Ontario or somewhere, and even B20 hasn't been around for awhile (the transit buses with the Powered By Biodiesel logos painted on the side currently false advertise). But in the end, they probably do us more unkempt backyarders a service by providing a clean-cut image to our powers-that-be. Oh yeah, and now I call glycerin 'co-porduct'. Cheers all, Kenji On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Keith Addison wrote: Official report on biodiesel for the City of Victoria. Vancouver Island Biodiesel Evaluation Study - Final Report http://www.vibesproject.ca/_pdfs/final_report.pdf It's been available for a few months, maybe it's been discussed elsewhere. It was sent to me by a website visitor who said it really confirms what your site has been saying about biodiesel but I haven't had time to read it yet. Any comments? See also: http://www.vibesproject.ca/ VIBES Biodiesel http://www.wiseenergy.ca/index_files/projects.htm Projects Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Let's accredit ourselves
Would any of you be willing to dub me a lord of biodiesel' or something? Seriously, I think it would be a good idea if this list put together a dumb-ass 'certification' test so we could hang it on our walls and point to it should some regulatory agent come snooping around our setups threatening to shut us down. Because we are from all over the world, it would have the kind of untouchability of Amnesty, and good luck to a regulator trying to actually find out about the 'certificate'! I can feel you all already getting your feathers ruffled at this proposal. I think I'm going to try to put something together for the local co-op, so I would greatly appreciate all your critical feedback (but go easy on the insults). Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Birth of an Industry
So here's the latest I've found for Canada. The push is on for the government of Canada to establish a Federal registration and certification program for all biodiesel producers, importers to guarantee all biodiesel into the Canadian petroleum fuel distribution system meets the accepted North American quality standard ASTM D6751. Quality = Good Registration and Certification at the Government Level = BAD Here's the full report: http://www.www.canadianbioenergy.com/Resources/ DEVELOPING_A_CANADIAN_BIODIESEL_INDUSTRY.pdf My worry is the micro- and small-scale producer (ie backyard brewer) is going to be penalized if not criminalized, very shortly in Canada. Let's have our own accreditation system so I can talk to my elected offical and make sure we aren't screwed over in favour of big tax dollar lobbyists! Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?
I've got a friend named Mark (Marc?) Masur living in KL. He plays in the Philharmonic (percussion), and he was asking me about biodiesel for running his generator. I'll try to find his email, but you could probably phone the Malaysia Philharmonic and ask for him (or leave a message - I don't know how uptight the Petron-ASS people are?). Kenji Fuse On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Khin Wei Chong wrote: Hi...Im KW.Chong from KL, Malaysia --- Gary L. Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In line with what Josh just asked, is there anyone on this list from Malaysia? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Round the Second: coop vrs. corp
When I first joined this list, I somewhat naively commented on the the co-operative association as a legitimate way to counter corporate aggression. I was immediately chastised by the list manager, and I don't think that post ever made it to the list, and I assumed it was a list unconcerned with political analysis, only with biodiesel production. Over the past year, it is obvious many of you share my concerns over the corporatization of our lives. And it seems many of you share the satisfaction of gaining independence from the petro cartels through biodiesel production. For every gallon of biodiesel we make ourselves, is a hefty chunk of money we don't give the big boys. By that same logic, incorporating a coop with a well-planned charter would only further this 'boycott'. It seems there are several biodiesel business individuals out there. Are there any others with motivations like I've just outlined? As I write up my memorandum of association for a coop in BC, Canada, I wonder if any of you out there who could offer advice/warnings? And if I'm going to be labelled 'old-paradigm' again, could you please elaborate? (So far, the memoranda are very influenced by the Piedmont Coop document). Hope to get feedback. Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Good WVO
I've used that dark, thick oil straight in my diesel Ford truck on my cross-country veggie trips, and it doesn't seem to have had any adverse effects. I filtered it, tho. Kenji On Sat, 28 Jan 2006, Thomas Kelly wrote: Mark, It's soybean oil. I've been told that frying w. soy/ teryaki sauce imparts the color. It stays fairly dark upon processing and even after washing. Tom Original Message - From: Mark Kennedy To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Good WVO thanks, Tom. Makes good sense. the dark oil from the Chinese Food restaurant could be sesame seed oil?. -Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:14 PM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Good WVO Mark wrote: What are some good rules of thumb when looking for used veg oil? We have access to almost any kind of restaurant imaginable, here. Are some restaurants disposing of cleaner oil than others? Does it make a difference what has been cooked in the oil? For instance if a restaurant fries primarily fish products will that yield an oil with less fats? Is that a good thing for producing biodiesel? -Mark When I was doing test batches I got samples of oil from several restaurants and found that color and quality varied considerably with titrations ranging from about 1 - 6g/L. If you are lucky enough to have a lot of sources to choose from I would recommend that you get samples of oil from each. Test for water, do titrations, cool samples to see cloud point, etc. Do test batches using oil from the samples. Set up your sources based on volume of oil you need and which samples were the best. I only need about 20 gal WVO/week, so small restaurants that don't have fryelators (sp?) are good sources. They don't produce a large volume of oil, (5 -7 gal/week/restaurant) but it is high quality and they usually don't have contracts w. renderers. The restaurants that give me the best WVO are also ones that serve good food. I frequent these restaurants w. family and friends it fosters a good relationship with the owners/managers/staff. One of the restaurants that I get oil from is a Chinese restaurant. The WVO is black. I was concerned about the color, but it tested very good. I have made good BD with it. Tom -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con
this year read Stand up for Canada) The sign was kicked down several times until I put it inside my window. Little good it did eh? Joe Kenji James Fuse wrote: Canada is about to become a provincial territory of the Empire of the USA, what with the newly elected reactionary and neo-con Conservative party, led by homophobe and misogynist Stephen Harper. The 'harmonization' between the two countries, who once held the longest unprotected border, was begun in the eighties with the treasonous Brian Mulroney's Free Trade Agreement, and continued in backroom deals with the thirteen-year reign of the Liberal Party. Now, we will witness this harmonization process rapidly accelerate, in all areas. Canada will increase it's military support of American campaigns, including the invasion of sovereign states and the Star Wars project. Gone are the days when Canada was a true peacekeeper, and US deserters were welcomed with open arms. Offshore oil drilling in British Columbia, which has been halted under a moratorium since the idea was proposed in the nineties, is strongly supported by the Conservative Party. Fortunately, as they are only a minority government, the Opposition will block this horrendous undertaking. What is wrong with rural Canadian voters? How can they fall for the 'grassroots' posturing of a bunch of corporate thugs like the Conservatives? Not that the Liberal Party is much better, in terms of selling the country to the highest bidder, but at least they seemed genuinely committed to the struggle for resistance to American absorption. Can any of you send me the words to the Star-Spangled Banner? I wanna become a good American before it's too late... Kanuck Kenji ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con
I vote for who I think would do the best job. My local Green candidate is a bit of a jerk, has no experience, and is an economist (I'm biased against that kind of shamanism). I wanted to vote green party because I agree with the principle that the environment is the most important issue, but... On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, John Mullan wrote: Thanks Darryl! I had to read quite a ways but was reallying hoping you would touch on the Green Party. If everyone that voted against the Party they didn't want in had put their vote to Green, it would have been a landslide. I really wish more of us Canadians voted with their head. Cheers Darryl McMahon wrote: Personally, having worked on the Green Party campaign this election with a woman I considered a really solid candidate, I am quite disappointed with the outcome for an environmental agenda in this country. The Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con
Canada is about to become a provincial territory of the Empire of the USA, what with the newly elected reactionary and neo-con Conservative party, led by homophobe and misogynist Stephen Harper. The 'harmonization' between the two countries, who once held the longest unprotected border, was begun in the eighties with the treasonous Brian Mulroney's Free Trade Agreement, and continued in backroom deals with the thirteen-year reign of the Liberal Party. Now, we will witness this harmonization process rapidly accelerate, in all areas. Canada will increase it's military support of American campaigns, including the invasion of sovereign states and the Star Wars project. Gone are the days when Canada was a true peacekeeper, and US deserters were welcomed with open arms. Offshore oil drilling in British Columbia, which has been halted under a moratorium since the idea was proposed in the nineties, is strongly supported by the Conservative Party. Fortunately, as they are only a minority government, the Opposition will block this horrendous undertaking. What is wrong with rural Canadian voters? How can they fall for the 'grassroots' posturing of a bunch of corporate thugs like the Conservatives? Not that the Liberal Party is much better, in terms of selling the country to the highest bidder, but at least they seemed genuinely committed to the struggle for resistance to American absorption. Can any of you send me the words to the Star-Spangled Banner? I wanna become a good American before it's too late... Kanuck Kenji ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method
Hi Bob, I often add about 0.5% gasoline to my oil before I begin the transesterification process, usually in extremely humid or damp weather. Not scientific at all, really, but the gasoline 'polishes' the used oil a bit, and the benzene content seems to remedy the moisture content which could result in a batch of glop soap. Keith Addison poo-poo's this, probably for good reason, but it works for me. Only problem is I'm wary of composting my glycerin when gasoline is added. Kenji Fuse On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, bob allen wrote: Jan, Wouldn't you expect that 500 ppm water would be picked up in any recovered ethanol, due to even a small amount of soap production? also if the ethanol used is for automobile use, is it an E-85 blend, ie, 15% gasoline? If so I would think that the gasoline would partition into any biodiesel made from this alcohol source. How would the gasoline impact the biodiesel? Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hello Bias Antonio, Ken is right, the NaOH dissolves a lot quicker in ethanol if heated. In order to make ethyl esters the quality of the reactants has to be high: ethanol min 99,5% pure and oil with a water content 500 ppm and a stochiometric surplus of ethanol of at least 75% and why not 100% ? The economy of this is depending upon your possibilities of recover the excess ethanol. Good luck to you AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method On Jan 25, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Blas Antonio Guanes wrote: the problem is that, methanol costs 4 $ and pure ethanol for car costs 0.52 $, NaOH is gotten in any part.. KOH is sold in bags of 25 kilos for soap industry.. Here in Paragua it is difficult to get chemical products. for that reason I want know how I can make with oil, ethanol and NaOH Have you tried dissolving NaOH in pure anhydrous ethanol? It is difficult. If you can dissolve the required amount (perhaps by boiling the ethanol/NaOH mixture under reflux), you could possibly make biodiesel out of very clean dry oil. If you only use 3.5g NaOH per liter of oil, or if your ethanol or oil contain any water, you will probably never achieve separation of a glycerine phase. All your ingredients go into a clear solution, and just stay that way forever. Until glycerine separates, you don't have biodiesel. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Venezuela's Chavez hosts World Social Forum as leftist movements unite against Bush
Chavez must be walking a tightrope, what with greedy Citgo execs, power-hungry generals and zombie CIA agents all plotting his downfall. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] unheated oil for biodiesel?
I've never tried making biodiesel without heating the oil, except in little demo batches (2 litre pop bottle). How necessary is it, and can anyone describe the chemistry or physics of it to me in dumb-dumb terms? Or maybe its in the archives, and someone could point me in the right direction. Thanks, Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel heater question
I have a 1988 F250, and it has a thermostatically-controlled fuel heater above the filter. Unfortunately, it is a very flimsy device, designed only for very rare use in sub -20F temperatures. I found this out when I considered hotwiring it so I could control it from the cab. But a Ford mechanic said this was sure to burn out the thin ceramic heating unit in no time. I don't know about a fancy 1999 model, but it's probably the same deal. Let me know if this is the case and if you find an adequate heater because I'm looking for the same. I'm almost ready to order a Veg-therm, but I've heard varying reports on it and it seems expensive for what it is. Kenji Fuse On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, magic wrote: Hello all, I have a 1999 F350 that I would like to run B100 in year round. (It's been a mild winter this year, but typically drops below 32F and occasionally under 20F.) I figured a fuel preheater would resolve any issues. As I started to research the options, I also got a book on the F350. Looking at the fuel system in the book, there is a fuel heater just below the fuel filter (at the bottom of a fuel filter/water separator assembly). My question is would this all I need, or would I be better off still getting one of those fuel line preheater(s)? Many thanks, S ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] inline fuel heater?
Crappy Canadian Tire has those windshield wash fluid heaters on sale right now. Not much info on the box, but they only seem to heat the fluid for a few seconds. I don't know if this could be bypassed, but I'd be worried the plastic would melt if you figured out how to keep it on all the time. On the other hand, I thought about splitting the fuel line, so that some goes to this heater and gets heated, and the rest keeps going. This would raise the temp a little, but I don't know if it would be worth the $49.94 CAD. Kenji PS. WHen are you on Vancouver Island, Joe? On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Joe Street wrote: I saw an advert on the tube last night for a gadget that is supposed to heat windshield washer fluid as it flows to the spray nozzles on your car. I immediately thought about the potential as a fuel heater. It hooks up to the electrical system and I guess turns on with the washer pump. I have been considering such an idea along the lines of building something by wrapping a peice of tubing with the right amount of nichrome wire for instantaneous heating. If this gadget is suitable it would save a lot of work. Perhaps the tube diameter is too small (I expect ) but you never know. Anybody ever seen one of these things? Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts
I've had a question about the two-stage, base-base method as well. My second stage resulted in such a little amount of glycerin it didn't seem worth the extra time or effort. Any comments? I suppose the removal of this last tablespoon of glycerin gets my BD to ASTM standards for free glycerin, but it seems alot of work for a little result, when I'm only using the stuff myself. KF On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, ReZn0r wrote: Hi We are making BD with a homemade reactor (80 liters). We have used de single stage and de two stage (base-base) methods succesfuly, but we still having many doubts :) In the two stages method described in journeytoforever, the mix settle around 12 h between first and second stage before extract the glycerine. It?s necessary to settle so many time? It?s bad if any glycerine is not decanted and is mixed in the second stage? Is there any trick to avoid to wait 12 h between first and second stage? Many thx in advance and sorry for my bad english ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Green party to exempt biofuels from taxation
Hi Joe, Out here in BC, the climate is coldly ignorant on all things biofuel. I sent the provincial environment minister an email informing him that I thought the 50% road tax exemption on biofuels was sadly inadequate, and four months later I have yet to receive a reply. The provincial Green leader, Adriene Carr, had lunch a few years ago with a friend of mine with an environmental studies background, and knew nothing of the offshore oil drilling situation here. Despite my distaste for the feds, I do appreciate their alternative fuel excise tax exemption. I have yet to contact any federal green party member, so please keep me posted. I'll try to attend whatever they do here in Victoria (I don't even know who my candidate is! What a bad citizen I am!). Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
The NBB does do some of this advocacy, although we all know it is basically a lobby for the soy industry. I'm more inclined to put my $100 into forming a co-operative association. It seems more practical and hands-on. It provides very real protection, as an incorporation, yet offers an alternative to the prevalent 'profit-at-all-costs' corporate directive. It also offers the opportunity to get to know other biodieselers in your area. Nevertheless, I'm all for a 'grassroots'-minded group. Isn't that what we are already? Kenji ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil to poor folks
Did you all hear today's Democracy Now? Looks like the US is letting Chavez sell heating oil at a 40% reduction to poor-er folk in Brooklyn and Boston. I imagine the petro boys and the corporate world are squirming right now: this is the first time a major corporation (Citgo?) has VOLUNTARILY taken a profit cut! This is, in my view, a major accomplishment and may signal the beginning of the end for corporate-America... I really hope Chavez is around next year. KF ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enough protection?
Thanks to all for the thorough responses to my queries about methanol and gloves! Y'all rule... What's your views on my addition of 0.5-2% addition of gasoline to my veggie oil prior to biodiesel production during cold/damp weather? It seems to take care of the moisture factor which had me occasionally making glop soup during damp times. It seems like a small amount to feel guilty about, and it seems to work consistently. Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
Hey Greg, Can't you put your biodiesel in a furnace tank and call it home heating oil? That should get around that arcane law. Too bad about your neighbour, tho'... Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] neoprene gloves good enough protection?
What do others use for hand protection from methanol and methoxide? Do neoprene gloves provide adequate enough protection from methanol and methoxide? And can I whine about how poorly the 4 litre jugs of methanol pour, or rather how well they drip? Or is it just me? Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel's gone New Age
I just read the book Biodiesel Power (one of three Biodiesel books in my local library) by Lyle Estill. Kind of entertaining, reading about problems we all know intimately like used cubies and and dealing with bureacracy in book format (as opposed to on a computer moniter). Most disappointing was the one mention of this website and it's creator, Keith Addison (time for you to write a book, Keith!). More interesting is a critical article from the quasi-anarchist left, which I found on cvilleindymedia.xxx [?] It states that biodiesel use will result in thousands of deaths, and that we are deluding ourselves by desperately trying to mainatin our bourgeois American way of life! I urge you all to check it out and reply, as I did. [I have always maintained biodiesel is like methadone -a better substitute to get off the petroleum addiction. But I've always used it against neo-con fuckheads. It's kind of weird to have to invoke this rhetoric with the quasi-radical left. Makes me feel more camaraderie with all you other backyard brewers!] Nevertheless, it's probably good to get some critical feedback by seemingly objective sources. K. Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation
Getting off-topic a bit... Any concerns about consistently drinking distilled water? I've heard it can leach minerals from the body. A friend of mine uses a water distiller so I'd like to know more. Kenji ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Removing wax by freezing?
Anybody have info on freezing oil and biodiesel to remove wax? I just tried freezing a cubie of used oil, and the top half seemed only slightly less viscous and waxy than the lower half. Am I wrong here? Is wax simply an inevitable state for frozen oil? I thought I read somewhere that you freeze biodiesel to remove wax and make 'winterized bd'. Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] What's the word on biodiesel fumes?
I've had to bring production inside while it's cold and damp outside. I'm well aware of the dangerous fumes during processing, but what about bd fumes while it washes and dries? Is it harmful to be in a 8ftX16ft room with 20 gallons of biodiesel (I am definitely aware of the smell)? Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
My lips ain't touching that bush... On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment. Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] If this isn't aggression...
Heard good things about Canadian peacekeepers? What about Somalia? A scared soldier with a gun is a scared soldier with a gun. Maybe the focus could be on how to stop the USA from invading countries in the future. And stopping real atrocities like the use of depleted uranium in shells. Your vets are still suffering from that great idea. KF ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Also starting out
I had a little meeting last year about renewable fuels with Oaf-icials of the Alberta ministries of Environment, Agriculture and Energy, with only the agriculture guy having alot of useful input. He thought it wasn't a problem to distill for fuel purposes (after all, Canada did ratify Kyoto Acc!) but all the oaf-icial paperwork I've obtained includes miles of red-tape (way more than in the US)and seems to imply that a Canada Customs oaf-icial must be present when operating - as if! It would be an interesting precedent-making court case, for anyone caring to tackle it... K Fuse On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, Ken Provost wrote: On Oct 28, 2005, at 9:40 PM, robert luis rabello wrote: It's illegal for individuals to distill ethanol in Canada. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've looked into this and if I could have obtained a permit, I would have done so already. Ethanol would be a wonderful fuel for a little hot rod truck like mine! Are Canadians typically a very law-abiding people? Just curious. Many US citizens would not think twice about skipping the permit, if they had some reason to believe they wouldn't get caught. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Rosa Parks Dead at 92
Wow, somehow I thought she passed away long ago... Thanks for the update, and now a quiet minute to remember... kf On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Michael Redler wrote: FYI Peace, Mike uriela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: uriela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:08:26 -0400 Subject: [isoinfo] Rosa Parks Dead at 92 http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm6900_20051024.htm Rosa Parks, civil rights heroine, is dead Monday, October 24, 2005 BY CASSANDRA SPRATTLING FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER When Rosa Parks refused to get up, an entire race of people began to stand up for their rights as human beings. It was a simple act that took extraordinary courage in Montgomery, Ala., in 1955. It was a place where black people had no rights white people had to respect. It was a time when racial discrimination was so common, many blacks never questioned it. At least not out loud. But then came Rosa Parks. This mild-mannered black woman refused to give up her seat on a city bus so a white man could sit down. Jim Crow laws had met their match. Parks' refusal infused 50,000 blacks in Montgomery with the will to walk rather than risk daily humiliation on the city's buses. This gentle giant, whose quietness belied her toughness, became the catalyst for a movement that broke the back of legalized segregation in the United States, gave rise to the astounding leadership of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and inspired fighters for freedom and justice throughout the world. Parks, the beloved mother of the civil rights movement, is dead, a family member confirmed late Monday. But already it's evident that her spirit lives in hundreds of thousands of people inspired by her unwavering commitment to work for a better world - a commitment that continued even after age and failing health slowed her in the 1990s. In death as in life, she touched the well known and the little known people of the world. 'Freedom is for all human beings' Parks' health had been declining since the late 1990s. She had stopped giving interviews by then and rarely appeared in public. When she did, she only smiled or spoke short, barely audible responses. In one of her last lengthy interviews with the Detroit Free Press in 1995, she spoke of what she would like people to say about her after she passed away. I'd like people to say I'm a person who always wanted to be free and wanted it not only for myself; freedom is for all human beings, she said during an interview from the pastor's study of St. Matthew African Methodist Episcopal Church, a small congregation she joined upon moving to Detroit in 1957. While it's known worldwide that her refusal to give up her bus seat sparked the Montgomery bus boycott, it's less well known that Parks had a long history of trying to make life better for black people. It was a desire embedded in her from childhood by her grandfather - her mother's father with whom she lived when she was growing up. He taught his children and grandchildren not to put up with mistreatment. It was passed down almost in our genes, Parks wrote in her 1992 autobiography, My Story. (Puffin, $5.99) She recalled that when her grandfather was home, he kept a shotgun by his side in case the Ku Klux Klan dropped by. Of her grandfather, Sylvester Edwards, she wrote: I remember that sometimes he would call white men by their first names, or their whole names, and not say, 'Mister.' How he survived doing all those kinds of things, and being so outspoken, talking that big talk, I don't know, unless it was because he was so white and so close to being one of them. Her grandfather's father was a white plantation owner; his mother a slave housekeeper and seamstress. In recent years, Parks has relied heavily on a wheelchair and, according to court documents, suffers from dementia. The dementia was revealed as a result of two lawsuits filed on her behalf against the record company for the hip hop duo Outkast. The 1999 lawsuit claims the record label BMG Entertainment violated her publicity and trademark rights for the 1998 song Rosa Parks,' by using her name without her permission for commercial purposes. But some of her family members claim Parks was incapable of filing such a suit of her own accord. They say it was an attempt by one of her attorneys, Gregory Reed and her longtime friend, Elaine Steele, to get money. Meanwhile, in October of this year a federal judge appointed former Detroit Mayor Dennis Archer as her guardian ad litem-a temporary, court-appointed attorney to assure her interests in the lawsuits are fairly represented. Steele has had durable power of attorney over Parks and serves as her patient advocate, meaning she will make medical decisions upon incapacitating illness since 1998, according to documents obtained by the Free Press.
Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!
Don't forget all the stupid and lazy Canadians up here. We've managed to vote in a provinicial neo-con guv'ment up in british Columbia which can go head to head with yours, selling off public utilities and ripping up workers contracts faster than you can say our premier was busted for drunk driving in the USA. And that's just following the overall trend in Canada towards an agenda of privatization, corporate back-bending and 'harmonization' 'twixt the US and Kanada. Back when I offensively asked about a centralized co-op type affair for biodiesel producers, part of the goal was to fight public corporations. As far as I can tell, most turmoil comes from the fact that the big companies must continually increase their profits on a quarterly basis, which is just not achievable anymore unless they resort to drastic measures. The upcoming battle to destroy the stock market may be initiated and completed by the success of alternative corporations which take the care to create articles of incorporation which strategically take into account human greed (wage caps) and endeavour to make airtight clauses to disallow company sale, and prohibition to going public. Whether this argument is misguided or not remains to be seen. Anyways, I enjoy good arguments (already had some) so I await responses! KF ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale
Please don't shop at WarMart! Despite the problems with the labour movement, i think all of us progressives on this list would agree the hostility shown by WarMart against organized labour is downright unacceptable. At least up here in kanada ie, a Quebec WarMart store's employees voted this past summer to unionize, so the store simply closed down KF On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Brian Rodgers wrote: Thanks Zeke I was planning on going to the dreaded WalMart this afternoon as they are the only store left in this small town. I will be looking for denatured alcohol there. Brian On 10/19/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stopped by one of the small town hardware stores on my way to work this morning. I was hunting for the 99% Isopropyl alcohol I had bought there years ago. No luck they don't carry it any longer. They did have other alcohols which I am unfamiliar with. methyl ester ketone? (sp) I have no idea what that is for. It was in the paint thinner section. As was methyl ethyl solvent. Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. Unfortunately the ingredients said contains less than 4% methanol, so again I have no idea if that would be worth anything. I was after Isopropyl and they didn't have any, bummer. Try looking for rubbing alcohol in a pharmacy. I believe this is isopropyl alcohol. I looked at their good collection of fiberglass reinforced PVC tubing. My mind went on a quickie scavenger hunt of uses. Then I was off to see if they had any Phenolphthalein. Nada nothing zilch. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] almost too embarrassed to ask
Hi all, My name's Kenji Fuse and I'm a homebrewer in Victoria, BC. Still killing myself stirring the stuff manually, so I'm ready to build a sealed processor. I have a question to put out to you fine experienced folk: what's the best mechanical method of mixing? Does the Clear Water pump really last long? I'm tempted to get one but I'm scared the thing will dissolve before my eyes, especially when the guy at Pumpbiz called me a penny-wise fool who would kill himself using it! He wanted me to buy the $200+ pump... Is it a good idea to get an explosion-proof pump? IS this just a marketing term, or are those electric Tuthill pumps really worth their gold? They are made for volatile fluids, so maybe, but the cost! I'm afraid to use an electric drill cuz mine sparks. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! Kenji Old Paradigm Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Have any homebrewers out there ever taken the ASTM D6751 test?
Just wondering if any of you homebrewers out there have ever taken the ASTM D6751 test? Up here in Canada, a lab in Edmonton does the test. It costs $1400, but the government can help out up to the tune of 70%, and you can also do specific aspects of the test (free glycerine, etc) for a couple hundred bucks a pop. Expensive, yes! So I'm just wondering how batches that are bubblewashed make out in these tests? Anyone ever done one? Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes 84
There is a 'strainer' on the bottom of the fuel tank, where the feed line starts. One of these days I'd like to change it, just to see how much crud is in there. I've been driving a 1976 300D on 30%petro-diesel/70% WVO for a year now. No modifications, although it smokes more withthis blend than on bio or straight petrol. When a decent diesel particulate filter (catalytic or otherwise) becomes available and affordable, I'll install one of those. (they're standard on new diesels in Germany; I imagine North America will follow suit soon - time to invest in platinum!) I'm also thinking about installing a Diesel-Therm style fuel filter heater (keep the filter from clogging, although that hasn't been an issue, unlike my Ford pickup!) which would probably make for a more complete combustion and reduce smoke. Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 20l of glop
So I guess it had to happen sooner or later! Luckily I only made a small 20 l batch, and not 200! 20 l's of glop... Ok, ok, I didn't titrate; I thought perhaps since the WVO was from my regular source, I could use the average 6.2 g lye/litre (actually I used a little less this time). And I didn't filter the oil this time - big mistake! AND I did it outdoors on a damp night! So it's my own fault, I made all the classic mistakes. Still, I'm left with this stuff. Has anybody discovered a way to turn it into BD, or is that a lost cause? If it's pure junk, how do we get rid of it? Kenji Fuse Victoria, BC Canada ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
