Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
Dear Bob Dear Keith- Wow! Just what I needed to hear. :-) That's good! We do try... I've got a friend of mine pretty fired up about producing larger quantities for his many gearhead friends and local farmers, in larger quantities. Such as? This guy makes his own hot rods, so I think, if I can get him the right info, we will be totally able to get this baby to fly. Any info on plans for larger-capacity, self-made systems. We don't do plans. Well, there's one excellent set of real genuine plans in the boiler, but not quite ready yet, though I can report that progress is being made. This is a great processor, complete design specs, complete blueprints that you can take to an engineering shop and say Make it. The plans are finished but the text isn't. That's not our work, we can't do stuff like that, professional. That aside, I guess a reason we don't do plans is that everyone's needs are different, and so are their resources, especially when it comes to critically important stuff like junk. So what we have at our site is a variety of different models that can be followed and adapted according to what you want and what you've got. Whatever fits best and works well. Part of what I said before about empowerment. Anyway, you might have a look at this scheme of Todd's for an 833 Gallon Per Day Batch Plant: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html I think all this stuff is easily scaleable. Or run more than one system in parallel, which is more or less what we do - one processor and one wash-tank, plus a holding tank and another wash-tank to double capacity. A lot of people do that, especially with wash-tanks. A holding tank and multiple wash-tanks can really increase production. It takes us five days to make a batch of biodiesel, from start to finish. We could do it quite a lot faster if we wanted to but we're comfortable with that. Using the full set-up we can increase that to 5-6 batches a week, and have done so for seven or eight weeks running. Very flexible. This guy is serious, does not want to skimp, and wants to do it right the first time. But he is counting on me to obtain the right information. There are a lot of experienced folks here who'll be happy to help you. Thank you so much for tempering your passion for this movement with not-so-common sense! Oh, was it? Thankyou for saying so. I did get a little impatient, finally, and no, I don't regret it. About time, probably. Keep us posted Bob. One bit of good advice - don't bother your head too much about full-scale processors until you've made a few test batches and start to get a feel for the process. It's often said it's not something that lends itself well to theory. Some hands-on with the process itself will give you insights on processors that you probably wouldn't have had otherwise. Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Best wishes Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob Grunwald 8171 8 1/2 Avenue Hanford, CA 93230 559-583-9334 (home) 559-308-0947 (cell) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Best Processer Hello Bob Thanks for your speedy reply. What about Biodiesel Solutions, which is endorsed by Joshua Tickell? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
Depending on the amount you plan on making, according to your needs, here are 2 somewhat smaller systems. http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/products.asp - Original Message - From: grunwald To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: [biofuel] Best Processer What are now considered to be the best-made, commercially available, biodiesel processors on the market at this time, for personal, non-commercial use? How do they compare to one another, and how much do they cost. Please supply links to these companies, if possible. Thank you! Bob Grunwald, Certified Arborist [EMAIL PROTECTED] 559-583-9334 (home) 559-308-0947 (cell) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
the widespread doubts and questions at the time. Well, to each his own... only that's not the case here, both of them claim to be leading the way, but the direction's all wrong. Joshua's book, From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank, is four years out of date and a lot of it's plain wrong anyway. There's been conjecture over where he got his information from, and some good guesses, but whatever, it's drawn from a very narrow knowledge base, and omits all the work and new findings of the last four years, which have seen tremendous developments in small-scale biodiesel technology. And safety. You're much better off here and at Journey to Forever, though I say it myself (we run Journey to Forever). I don't mind saying it myself: the biodiesel information at Journey to Forever is up-to-date, it's not just our own work (though there's a lot of that), it's also a compilation and distillation of the work, discoveries, investigations and discussions of thousands of people on this list over the last four years, and of work done elsewhere. Using those resources as your foundation, this list for guidance, and its huge archives for further reference, you really can't go wrong. Please see this previous message about Joshua: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31729/ I must say I'm getting more than a little fed up with these guys who not only jump on the biodiesel bandwagon but try to hijack it for the own benefit and aggrandizement. Yeah, Chris and others I've chided for being perhaps a little harsh, I apologise, I take it all back. A self-promoter pimping for a charlatan would seem to be about right. They're a waste of time, and worse. There are those who feel Joshua held back the homebrew biodiesel movement for years, Rudi's doing the same, and now they're in it together. I won't argue with that. So, now, finally, the good news? Sure... You don't need the likes of Rudi and Joshua and their iffy offerings. You've come to the right place, you'll find everything you need right here, willingly given, free of charge, good information, good advice, and help and assistance from experienced biodieselers when you need it. But you're not a mechanic (plumber, engineer, chemist, handy person), you can't build your own processor? One of the most important aspects of DIY biofuels is that it's a very empowering thing to discover that you don't have to be Exxon-Mobil to make your own fuel, and not only that, yours is better than theirs. Same with building a processor - if you try, you might just surprise yourself, and wouldn't that'd be a GREAT feeling? Our modern societies have been grievously deskilled, we're not nearly as capable or competent as our grandfathers were. Or so we think, until we try. There are plenty of people here who'll be happy to help you, you won't be the first. (We're not engineers either, we're journalists - if we can do it, so can you.) Best wishes Keith Thank you! - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Best Processer Hello Bob, welcome There isn't such a thing, none of them is recommended - check the list archives. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
Dear Keith- Wow! Just what I needed to hear. I've got a friend of mine pretty fired up about producing larger quantities for his many gearhead friends and local farmers, in larger quantities. This guy makes his own hot rods, so I think, if I can get him the right info, we will be totally able to get this baby to fly. Any info on plans for larger-capacity, self-made systems. This guy is serious, does not want to skimp, and wants to do it right the first time. But he is counting on me to obtain the right information. Thank you so much for tempering your passion for this movement with not-so-common sense! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob Grunwald 8171 8 1/2 Avenue Hanford, CA 93230 559-583-9334 (home) 559-308-0947 (cell) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Best Processer Hello Bob Thanks for your speedy reply. What about Biodiesel Solutions, which is endorsed by Joshua Tickell? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
Hello Bob, welcome What are now considered to be the best-made, commercially available, biodiesel processors on the market at this time, for personal, non-commercial use? There isn't such a thing, none of them is recommended - check the list archives. These are professional, but probably exceed your requirements: Biofuel Systems provides state-of-the-art biodiesel process equipment which meets all recognised international safety standards (eg. ATEX) and will produce biodiesel from a range of feedstocks to meet recognised standards, including ASTM 6751-03, EN 14214:2003, DIN V 51606. Currently offers systems from 900 litres per week upwards. Available in Europe through Eurobiodiesel Ltd (http://www.eurobiodiesel.com), in Australasia through New Zealand Biofuels Limited, and in the rest of world direct from Biofuel Systems, 58 Church Street, Ormskirk, Lancashire, ENGLAND L39 3AW. Fax: +44 1695 571222 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://biofuelsystems.com I'm not sure they still do the 900-litre per week model, the minimum is more than that. Otherwise make your own: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith How do they compare to one another, and how much do they cost. Please supply links to these companies, if possible. Thank you! Bob Grunwald, Certified Arborist [EMAIL PROTECTED] 559-583-9334 (home) 559-308-0947 (cell) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
Thanks for your speedy reply. What about Biodiesel Solutions, which is endorsed by Joshua Tickell? http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/default.asp Thank you! - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Best Processer Hello Bob, welcome There isn't such a thing, none of them is recommended - check the list archives. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
