[Biofuel] Back to the future for Japan?

2013-01-01 Thread Keith Addison
Goal of no new reactors in jeopardy Kyodo http://www.japantimes.co.jp/print/nn20130101a4.html NRA has final reactor say-so: Motegi http://www.japantimes.co.jp/print/nn20130101a9.html U.S. nuke crisis team's Fukushima findings wasted http://www.japantimes.co.jp/print/nn20130101a3.html Summer

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Hakan Falk
Oil was first used for lamps and steam boilers. The diesel oil is a by product of the refining process to get gasoline and was used as for lamps, cleaning and heating. A cleaner version of diesel is used for dry cleaning. I do not remember the amount of different products that you get from crude,

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Jan Warnqvist
- From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, Manufacturing rights as a whole to the diesel engine cannot be owned by Scania, only certain modifications that are done the last 25 years

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Jan Warnqvist
No I do not have a connection to Atlas Copco, but I know a little something about Rudolf Diesel. Jan - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, I did work

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread lres1
of petroleum made it possible for the combustion engine to arise, because of the unique properties of petroleum. Jan - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Jan Warnqvist
, June 09, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, Thank you for the earlier reply. I don't suppose you would know if the following is correct or not. Australia had the maximum grant to any inventor set at AUD10,000. This was the maximum grant to enable development

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Hakan Falk
created from this system, I think nobody knows. Jan - Original Message - From: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, Thank you for the earlier reply. I don't suppose you would know

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Jan Warnqvist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, You are right about the time before EC, I have personal experiences from this. When we needed the help it was very difficult to get it and we could not pursue

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Kirk McLoren
Once the intake is closed and the concentrated sun starts its work the system is a closed oneso oxidizer/fuel density is unchanged. All you see is increased cylinder pressure and hotter coal dust and air. - less the motion of the piston during this time. I envision this engine as very slow moving,

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Hakan Falk
PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future Jan, You are right about the time before EC, I have personal experiences from this. When we needed the help it was very difficult to get it and we could not pursue it. Once

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread Mike Redler
Ah...I see. You wrote: "Once the intake is closed and the concentrated sun starts its work ** the system is a closed one ** so oxidizer/fuel density is unchanged." That makes a lot more sense. Mike Kirk McLoren wrote: Once the intake is closed and the concentrated sun starts its work

[Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Mike Weaver
* Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp. In fact, when the diesel engine was first introduced at the World's Fair in 1900, it ran on peanut oil. * Two decades later, Henry Ford was designing his Model

[Biofuel] Back to the future redux

2006-06-08 Thread Mike Weaver
Is Bush really Dan Quayle? Why wouldn't an enhanced deterrent, a more stable peace, a better prospect to denying the ones who enter conflict in the first place to have a reduction of offensive systems and an introduction to defensive capability. I believe that is the route this country will

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread John Beale
Silly Diesel and Ford. Everyone knows cars can't run on ethanol. That's why we, as humans, travel thousands of miles and invest billions of dollars in drilling rigs, pipelines, refineries, supertankers, and oil wars. What were they thinking? Fuel from plants? That's preposterous! What

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future redux

2006-06-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike W, You are right!!! I did not realize that the plastic surgery advanced to this level, or is it a brain transplant? Hakan At 14:22 08/06/2006, you wrote: Is Bush really Dan Quayle? Why wouldn't an enhanced deterrent, a more stable peace, a better prospect to denying the ones who

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
In the early days when the Standard had competition from alcohol it was alleged the reason railroad tank cars arrrived without their cargo was John's boys had sabotaged them. Of course that couldn't be true - could it?Also if you have access to a Mark's Handbook printed prior to WWIII look up

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Joe Street
Ahh here it is: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg62146.html J Mike Weaver wrote: * Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp. In fact, when the diesel engine was first introduced at

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Joe Street
Didn't Keith debunk that myth here just recently? Well this isn't the message I remember but it says basically the same thing... http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg60497.html Joe Mike Weaver wrote: * Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Keith Addison
* Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp. In fact, when the diesel engine was first introduced at the World's Fair in 1900, it ran on peanut oil. Aarghh!!! Not the old Rudolf and the Peanut Oil fairytale

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Keith, Coal dust is the key, because it was the coal industry who paid for the development of the diesel engine. Observing that coal dust is almost explosive, they had they idea that it could be sold and used for an engine, instead of piling up as useless trash mountains. Diesel did not

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Appal Energy
Actually, Diesel was contracted by the German navy to create an engine that ran on coal dust. In the process there were several explosive failures resulting in deaths. The presumption is made that Diesel used vegetable oils to reduce the explosive properties of coal dust. Eventually, and again

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
Actually a solar/coaldust hybrid could have potential. Putting solar heat into air is difficult to do speedily and coal dust could be finely dispersed. The bottom end could be solar. Certainly save on emissions and help achieve complete combustion.A cylinder with a quartz window.KirkHakan Falk

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Joe Street
Why pray tell COAL dust then? Many dusts are combustible. How about tapioca? How about icing sugar? Ever throw coffeemate into your campfire? (stand well back if you try thisunless it is part of a ritual dance of course) lol Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: Actually a solar/coaldust hybrid

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
Because it will absorb solar radiation. and since there is a suspension transfer to the air will be rapid. This all happens BEFORE ignition. Then oxidation does the final rise in temperature. Much higher delta T with same investment in O2 and hydrocarbon. And the hydrocarbon is nearignition

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future - THE TRUTH

2006-06-08 Thread Mike Weaver
Uh, Keith, hate to burst your bubble, but it is well-established that Rudolph Diesel designed his engine primarily to atomize hemp oil, in order to reap its psychopharmacological benefits. It was really just a big metal bong. The production of rotational torque was a side effect, and neccessary

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Mike Weaver
Actually, In1981, Ronald Reagan noted that trees cause more pollution than automobiles. So you're right. Let's get rid of all the plants! John Beale wrote: Silly Diesel and Ford. Everyone knows cars can't run on ethanol. That's why we, as humans, travel thousands of miles and invest billions

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future redux

2006-06-08 Thread Mike Weaver
Everything old is new... Hakan Falk wrote: Mike W, You are right!!! I did not realize that the plastic surgery advanced to this level, or is it a brain transplant? Hakan At 14:22 08/06/2006, you wrote: Is Bush really Dan Quayle? Why wouldn't an enhanced deterrent, a more stable

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Joe Street
Oh yeah me too coffee (shade grown fair trade) is much too precious for any edible oil product like coffeemate. The only true use for it is as a burnt offering to the sun god to ensure the rest of your backpacking trip is rain free. Works well in arid regions. ;) Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: snip

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Joe Street
Oh yeah I forgot to mention burnt hemp oil is an essential part of this ritual. Just ask Mike 'oil sheik' Weaver he is an expert on the subject. J Joe Street wrote: Oh yeah me too coffee (shade grown fair trade) is much too precious for any edible oil product like coffeemate. The only true

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future - THE TRUTH

2006-06-08 Thread Joe Street
Works for me! Mike Weaver wrote: sip If only we would go back to burning hemp oil our problems would be over. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread Michael Redler
Kirk,It's a very novel approach but, with all due respect, I thinkthe thermodynamics of this process needs a closer look.The origins of all mechanical energy can (eventually) be traced back to temperature changes. So, your intentions are in the right place.Thermal expansion as part of a

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future - THE TRUTH

2006-06-08 Thread Michael Redler
Thanks Weaver!...if only his dream could be kept alive!Gridlock would take on a whole new meaning and I'd open a burger joint (pun intended) downtown.:-)-RedlerMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Uh, Keith, hate to burst your bubble, but it is well-established that Rudolph