Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Raymond, You asked has anyone installed a 1.6 VW turbodiesel into a minivan? ray The 1.6 is under powered even for VW. See http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/reimovan/reimovan.htm I have not yet had the pleasure of fitting such but my thoughts are thus. The power plant is also east west. This is not a real problem unless you have an SRS system fitted to the Minivan it is to be fitted to. Do not expect to get away at the lights in a hurry, fit a good stereo and speakers to shut out the noise of those in line behind and seeming to want to rush all the time in city traffic only to stop a few meters for the next set of lights, or to join the queue they were trying to leave. The Minivan would need to be non SRS and have a subframe. From here you will need to swap out fuel tanks and electronics and the complete subframe and match the steering to the recipient vehicle. That is you will need to remove the original subframe and power plant and adapt the donor powerplant complete with subframe into the recipient. In most cases it can be done. A lot of work for not much gain and expensive parts. However, the 1.6 turbo is not known for get up and go in the cars let alone a van that is made to carry some limited loading. Why not the 2 Liter plus, it will give just that bit more for city driving. Doug, -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Hi all Sorry, these things take time. Here are the photos Doug sent me, with his explanatory text below. I optimised the photos so they're about one-sixth the kb's, quicker to download. Best Keith http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/Bellhousing1.jpg http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/Bellhousing2.jpg http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/Bellhousing3.jpg http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/Bellhousing4.jpg http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/Bellhousing5.jpg http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/SHengine1.jpg From: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:43:37 +0700 Keith, Sorry for the delay, had to do some very urgent work. Please find attached some pictures of the bellhousing made for a Jeep Cherokee to Toyota 2.8 NA engine. Notice the main thick plates front and rear and the filling of the gaps with small flat bar. So easy to do once the steps in my original mail for modification have been followed. The engine ousted for both of the housings was one 4.0L MPEFI Cherokee and the other a VM diesel to Toyota diesel. (VM being way too extravagant to buy parts for.) S H engine is a donor set up on blocks and ready to be mated to a Jeep 4.0L gear box and transfer box. The beauty of this type of transplant is there is in general no cutting of the firewall or chassis. This means the integrity of the recipient vehicle is maintained. This is exactly the same exactly the same method I have used for F100, and up, 351CID to 4.2 1HZ NA and others. This is the same for GM and most other cars and light trucks. The bigger trucks like the IH need to have stronger flat bar due to going to larger engines with huge torque factors. (V8 petrol out and Large Gardner slow slugger diesel fitted). A couple of important notes. 1/ You will need the fuel filter assembly with a Toyota Diesel conversion as there is no fuel lift pump for bleeding the fuel system other than a small diaphragm unit fitted to the top of the fuel filter housing. Hence the need for the fuel filter and housing. 2/ A cast iron gearbox is snug and tight and has not much movement. To add a lot of low down torque onto some aluminum boxes stretches the boxes causing them to jump out of gear on steep inclines under low revs with heavy loads. This is only applicable to those changing out 350 CID and larger GM units or 351 CID and larger Ford units in six wheel trucks (dual rear wheels) where the standard gearbox is alloy. A major problem then in this scenario is the parking brake as is Carden shaft type on the back of the alloy box. However it is still possible to fit a diesel and cast iron box to such a truck (GMC Sierra 351 on 825/20 tyres) by changing the box and fitting the Carden shaft handbrake to the front end of the differential flange. No worries, it works better there any way than at the gearbox end. Hope they help. Best regards to all. Doug - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1 It's not easy to help Doug, no reply, no pictures. I'll try cc'ing this to him direct as well. This is good information Doug offered, in this thread and the American diesels thread, quite a few people said so. Who thinks it should all be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to handle it, and just where to put it. Organising it would be quite a lot of work, and there's a queue. But don't be discouraged, let's see how it goes and we'll see what we can do. Quite a lot of people have been writing to Journey to Forever asking about diesel conversions, nearly all of them Americans. Quite a lot also want to know if biofuel (turns out to be biodiesel) will work in their gasoline motor. Some of them just get impatient when you tell them it won't. Why not? What do you expect me to do then? So it might be popular, but that's not the only criterion; it's not our focus, but we don't really make rules about it. People here like what you're doing, that's always a good
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
From the international perspective, I agree, it isn't quite on topic. Everywhere except the US, diesel vehicals are readily available, so essentially, this would only focus on the US market. And most of the US market for diesel vehicals has nothing to do with sustainability. A local guy was thinking about starting his own business doing diesel toyota pickups, but decided against it because his major clients would not be people who needed pickups but wanted to run biodiesel, but off-roaders who like diesels because of superior low rpm torque. He didn't want to end up catering to this crowd. The american diesel market is a bit bizarre. Anywhere else in the world, who would rescusitate a 25 year old, underpowered truck, or bother with a complicated engine transplant not intended by the design engineers. Some of the reponses to my question about getting a 1981 toyota hilux running again were interesting -- basically that it had been superseded by much better technology -- but here in the US, if we really want to run biodiesel in a truck, this is what we are reduced to. Of course, in the long run, cars in general cannot be sustainable, no matter what they are running on, but in the near term, biodiesel is a stop-gap measure to try to not do quite as much damage, I guess. On 5/29/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe Hi Keith; I'm sure if I was in that situation I would be thrilled to find the info and pics on a website but how many people will need it vs the cost of storage space on your site? I suppose that is why you are asking for a show of hands? I wasn't worried about the cost. It's good information, but that's not the only point. Actually there's very little about cars and engines at our site, and what is there isn't this kind of information. It would be a new direction, and I'm not sure we want to take it. Several people have said it's great biodiesel information, but the biodiesel bit is only coincidental. We quite often get asked about converting gasoline cars to diesel, but only by Americans, because diesels are rare in the US but they want to use biodiesel. Most of them are after avoiding the high US gasoline prices (which aren't high enough, IMHO). Diesels aren't rare anywhere else. Some halfwit sent me an abusive email offlist saying doug was offering you free of charge a great addition to the journey to forever biodiesel information but I'd ungrasosly spurned it and virtually told him to piss off. Having just asked Doug for the third time please to send it to me so I could upload it. Sigh. He's an American. But if you're not an American, what does it have to do with biodiesel? Doug's in Laos and I'm not sure why he does these conversions, but it's not clear that it's so that people can use biodiesel in these vehicles, I don't think that's the purpose. Juan says in his interesting post it should be in the biodiesel section at JtF, but he also doesn't say the purpose of the conversions there is to use biodiesel. Diesels use less fuel, but that's a different issue. Actually there's also very little at JtF about fuel saving, or about carbon saving and global warming. Of course we think it's important, but when you have a focused project and a focused website you don't just dump everything in there that you happen to think is important. Well we don't anyway. It's the same with this, and I'm not convinced. A major point is that nothing just gets dumped into our website, there's always a lot of work in it. It has to be tailored, especially if it comes from a mailing list, it's the wrong shape. Doug wrote a whole lot, a lot of it in response to questions, it'll take a lot of sorting out to make it accessible on a web page, quite a few hours' work. But there's already a queue of stuff waiting for upload. If anyone thinks it's not necessary, that I should stop making a fuss and just dump it all in, then they're welcome to see how well this works: Doug sent me a bunch of photographs with quite a lot of text explanation in an email. I'll upload the photographs (only the photographs) to a special folder for this at the JtF site (like I did with Jim's venturi pics) and post a message here with the links, the explanation, and links to the relevant threads in the list archives. That's 75 messages in all. Have fun finding the two or three or five paragraphs about your particular diesel conversion amongst it all. But that's all I can do quickly (tomorrow). If I organised the copy and put it in the JtF Biodiesel section, people would straight away start asking why this gas car isn't there nor that diesel engine, and then they'd want information on LPG conversions too, and on anything else that saved fuel (fuel or money), and that's just not what we're on about. I'm still not saying no, I'm open to persuasion, but those are my objections. It might all be missing the point anyway. Why can't we just do it onlist, like we
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Hi Keith; I'm sure if I was in that situation I would be thrilled to find the info and pics on a website but how many people will need it vs the cost of storage space on your site? I suppose that is why you are asking for a show of hands? Joe Keith Addison wrote: It's not easy to help Doug, no reply, no pictures. I'll try cc'ing this to him direct as well. This is good information Doug offered, in this thread and the American diesels thread, quite a few people said so. Who thinks it should all be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to handle it, and just where to put it. Organising it would be quite a lot of work, and there's a queue. But don't be discouraged, let's see how it goes and we'll see what we can do. Quite a lot of people have been writing to Journey to Forever asking about diesel conversions, nearly all of them Americans. Quite a lot also want to know if biofuel (turns out to be biodiesel) will work in their gasoline motor. Some of them just get impatient when you tell them it won't. Why not? What do you expect me to do then? So it might be popular, but that's not the only criterion; it's not our focus, but we don't really make rules about it. People here like what you're doing, that's always a good recommendation. Please keep going. Send me the pictures. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Hello Keith. I think JtF would be good place to have some information on the change from gasoline engine to diesel engine and it could be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website. In Paraguay the conversion from a gasoline engine to a diesel one is often done in a good mechanic shop. Jeeps are the number one vehicles with engines changed to an used Japanese diesel engine with transmission originally from a light truck or a SUV like Toyota Dyna, 4Runner, Nissan Terrano, Nissan Patrol or Mitsubishi L-200 pickup. They are imported from the port of Iquique in Chile, they came originally from junk yards in Japan. It much easier to change engines with rear wheel drives vehicles like a pickup or an automobile likes the old Ford Granada, Chevrolet Nova than front wheel cars with gasoline engine from Europe. Here, the front wheel cars with a gasoline engine here are mostly modified to use Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG) with a big 80 - 200 litres gas tank be cause the gasoline in litres cost double compared to LPG in litres. So they avoid the trouble to find a more expensive diesel engine and transmission that matches with the front axle unless the model has gasoline and diesel options from factory like Peugeot, VW or Fiat for example. Best Regards. Juan Pilar -Paraguay -Original- From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May/26/2006 15:49 For:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1 It's not easy to help Doug, no reply, no pictures. I'll try cc'ing this to him direct as well. This is good information Doug offered, in this thread and the American diesels thread, quite a few people said so. Who thinks it should all be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to handle it, and just where to put it. Organising it would be quite a lot of work, and there's a queue. But don't be discouraged, let's see how it goes and we'll see what we can do. Quite a lot of people have been writing to Journey to Forever asking about diesel conversions, nearly all of them Americans. Quite a lot also want to know if biofuel (turns out to be biodiesel) will work in their gasoline motor. Some of them just get impatient when you tell them it won't. Why not? What do you expect me to do then? So it might be popular, but that's not the only criterion; it's not our focus, but we don't really make rules about it. People here like what you're doing, that's always a good recommendation. Please keep going. Send me the pictures. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Hi Joe Hi Keith; I'm sure if I was in that situation I would be thrilled to find the info and pics on a website but how many people will need it vs the cost of storage space on your site? I suppose that is why you are asking for a show of hands? I wasn't worried about the cost. It's good information, but that's not the only point. Actually there's very little about cars and engines at our site, and what is there isn't this kind of information. It would be a new direction, and I'm not sure we want to take it. Several people have said it's great biodiesel information, but the biodiesel bit is only coincidental. We quite often get asked about converting gasoline cars to diesel, but only by Americans, because diesels are rare in the US but they want to use biodiesel. Most of them are after avoiding the high US gasoline prices (which aren't high enough, IMHO). Diesels aren't rare anywhere else. Some halfwit sent me an abusive email offlist saying doug was offering you free of charge a great addition to the journey to forever biodiesel information but I'd ungrasosly spurned it and virtually told him to piss off. Having just asked Doug for the third time please to send it to me so I could upload it. Sigh. He's an American. But if you're not an American, what does it have to do with biodiesel? Doug's in Laos and I'm not sure why he does these conversions, but it's not clear that it's so that people can use biodiesel in these vehicles, I don't think that's the purpose. Juan says in his interesting post it should be in the biodiesel section at JtF, but he also doesn't say the purpose of the conversions there is to use biodiesel. Diesels use less fuel, but that's a different issue. Actually there's also very little at JtF about fuel saving, or about carbon saving and global warming. Of course we think it's important, but when you have a focused project and a focused website you don't just dump everything in there that you happen to think is important. Well we don't anyway. It's the same with this, and I'm not convinced. A major point is that nothing just gets dumped into our website, there's always a lot of work in it. It has to be tailored, especially if it comes from a mailing list, it's the wrong shape. Doug wrote a whole lot, a lot of it in response to questions, it'll take a lot of sorting out to make it accessible on a web page, quite a few hours' work. But there's already a queue of stuff waiting for upload. If anyone thinks it's not necessary, that I should stop making a fuss and just dump it all in, then they're welcome to see how well this works: Doug sent me a bunch of photographs with quite a lot of text explanation in an email. I'll upload the photographs (only the photographs) to a special folder for this at the JtF site (like I did with Jim's venturi pics) and post a message here with the links, the explanation, and links to the relevant threads in the list archives. That's 75 messages in all. Have fun finding the two or three or five paragraphs about your particular diesel conversion amongst it all. But that's all I can do quickly (tomorrow). If I organised the copy and put it in the JtF Biodiesel section, people would straight away start asking why this gas car isn't there nor that diesel engine, and then they'd want information on LPG conversions too, and on anything else that saved fuel (fuel or money), and that's just not what we're on about. I'm still not saying no, I'm open to persuasion, but those are my objections. It might all be missing the point anyway. Why can't we just do it onlist, like we do everything else? It's a kind of workshop Doug's conducting, that's what the list is for, among other things. If I upload Doug's images to the folder at JtF and Doug posts the explanations here for further discussion, wouldn't that be enough? Best Keith Joe Keith Addison wrote: It's not easy to help Doug, no reply, no pictures. I'll try cc'ing this to him direct as well. This is good information Doug offered, in this thread and the American diesels thread, quite a few people said so. Who thinks it should all be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
It's not easy to help Doug, no reply, no pictures. I'll try cc'ing this to him direct as well. This is good information Doug offered, in this thread and the American diesels thread, quite a few people said so. Who thinks it should all be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to handle it, and just where to put it. Organising it would be quite a lot of work, and there's a queue. But don't be discouraged, let's see how it goes and we'll see what we can do. Quite a lot of people have been writing to Journey to Forever asking about diesel conversions, nearly all of them Americans. Quite a lot also want to know if biofuel (turns out to be biodiesel) will work in their gasoline motor. Some of them just get impatient when you tell them it won't. Why not? What do you expect me to do then? So it might be popular, but that's not the only criterion; it's not our focus, but we don't really make rules about it. People here like what you're doing, that's always a good recommendation. Please keep going. Send me the pictures. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
I would like to see more about the type of conversion work doug is doing ray From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 04:48:46 +0900 It's not easy to help Doug, no reply, no pictures. I'll try cc'ing this to him direct as well. This is good information Doug offered, in this thread and the American diesels thread, quite a few people said so. Who thinks it should all be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to handle it, and just where to put it. Organising it would be quite a lot of work, and there's a queue. But don't be discouraged, let's see how it goes and we'll see what we can do. Quite a lot of people have been writing to Journey to Forever asking about diesel conversions, nearly all of them Americans. Quite a lot also want to know if biofuel (turns out to be biodiesel) will work in their gasoline motor. Some of them just get impatient when you tell them it won't. Why not? What do you expect me to do then? So it might be popular, but that's not the only criterion; it's not our focus, but we don't really make rules about it. People here like what you're doing, that's always a good recommendation. Please keep going. Send me the pictures. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Hey there: Mi name is Bruno.I am just wondering;after Your extended answer on Jeep,could you tell me if you have any expirience on Renault.I just bought Renault Laguna 1.9DTI 1999.Are there any data on should or should I not use BD in this car.I am making my BD since last Oktober and it seems that I have quite good quality :I would be very greatfull for your or anyones ansver on the subject. lres1 pravi: Jonathan, You asked I am a newbe to this. However, will this work on a Jeep YJ??? To start, locate a 2.8 NA Toyota engine with its bellhousing and clutch plates (fan to clutch engine.) If you can not verify the distance the engine has covered or the hours it has run then replace the timing belt, timing belt tensionersand check the injector nozzles to see if they are flat faced or burnt (pitted). If pitted replace the injector nozzles. Take the gearbox and transfer box from the vehicle and place it on blocks so it sits in its correct position, as though it was still mounted in the vehicle (the angles need to be correct longitudinally and across the box.) At this stage the Bell housing should still be on the removed gearbox. There are two types of clutch operating systems fitted to the YJ.One is an internal unit- constructed thrust bearing and slave cylinder, the other is a separate clutch slave cylinder that fits through from the back of the bellhousing and presses onto a clutch fork. This later is very important to get the distances correct in the movement of the fork type. You will need to measure the exact distance from the front face of the gearbox to the center of travel position on the clutch fork along the thrust bearing slide shaft. Don't measure from the bellhousing as this will be discarded. Removethe bellhousing off the Toyota engine. Placethe front end of the bellhousingover a 3/4 inch plate of steel and with a marker pen mark all the holes and the inside and outside of the bellhousing onto the plate. Pay particular attention to the locatingdowels and the starter motor mount holes. Remove the bellhousing from the YJ gearbox. Place the back end of the bellhousing from the YJ onto a 3/4 inch plate and mark out the plate with a marker pen making sure to get locating dowels in their correct position. Take the clutch plate and locate one with a spline that fits the YJ spigot shaft and the same diameter friction area as the original from the Toyota engine. If you can't find one no worries strip the clutch plate and fit the Jeep center into a new Toyota plate and replace the rivets. With a pin punch mark out the inside and outside of the two plates. Also pin punch all the holes. Note; some of the holes in the copy of the engine plate will need to be Tapped/threaded and one for the clutch fork pivot in the gear box housing will need to be tapped/threaded. Once pilot holes are drilled in both plates remember which holes need to be what size and which need threads tapped into them. Cut out both plates with a cutting torch and with a small grinder clean all surfaces. Drill all the holes to the correct sizes and thread those holes needing threads. Remove the spigot bearing from the center of the crank shaft on the Toyota engine and machineup a bronze bush that is firm in the crankshaft and slightly loose on the end of the spigot shaft. Fit the bush to the Toyota crankshaft. (A bush is okay as the Nissans use a bush and so do many other vehicles. The needle rollers that come out are not so easy to locate, hence the bush option. Assemble the clutch and pressure plate onto the Toyota engine, making sure that the spigot shaft slides in with ease. Fit one plate to the rear of the engine and one to the front of the gearbox. Keep the gearbox as it was blocked up on wood chocks or some such so that it sits well off the ground but in the exact angles and position it would when in the YJ. Slide the engine back onto the spigot shaft making sure that the distance that you measured to the center of the clutch fork from the face of the gearbox is where the clutch pressure plate rests on the clutch thrust bearing. Check that all is aligned with all bolts in place and the rear engine plate you have made parallel to the front gearbox plate you have made. Also the engine back where the clutch forkwas measured to be in the center of its travel and the engine not leaning to either side. That is no lean on the engine. Make sure at this stage that the engine and gearbox are firmly chocked in this position. With 1inch by 1/8 inch flat bar cut lengths to go under the engine bolts on the plate you made for the engineand extend to the outer rim of the gearbox plate you made. That is the flat bar should not be bent but go straight from just under a bolt on the engine plate to the outer area of the gearbox plate. Put one bar at the top, cut another for the correct length to fit at 90 degrees from the top bar and then the same for
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Jonathan, You asked I am a newbe to this. However, will this work on a Jeep YJ??? To start, locate a 2.8 NA Toyota engine with its bellhousing and clutch plates (fan to clutch engine.) If you can not verify the distance the engine has covered or the hours it has run then replace the timing belt, timing belt tensionersand check the injector nozzles to see if they are flat faced or burnt (pitted). If pitted replace the injector nozzles. Take the gearbox and transfer box from the vehicle and place it on blocks so it sits in its correct position, as though it was still mounted in the vehicle (the angles need to be correct longitudinally and across the box.) At this stage the Bell housing should still be on the removed gearbox. There are two types of clutch operating systems fitted to the YJ.One is an internal unit- constructed thrust bearing and slave cylinder, the other is a separate clutch slave cylinder that fits through from the back of the bellhousing and presses onto a clutch fork. This later is very important to get the distances correct in the movement of the fork type. You will need to measure the exact distance from the front face of the gearbox to the center of travel position on the clutch fork along the thrust bearing slide shaft. Don't measure from the bellhousing as this will be discarded. Removethe bellhousing off the Toyota engine. Placethe front end of the bellhousingover a 3/4 inch plate of steel and with a marker pen mark all the holes and the inside and outside of the bellhousing onto the plate. Pay particular attention to the locatingdowels and the starter motor mount holes. Remove the bellhousing from the YJ gearbox. Place the back end of the bellhousing from the YJ onto a 3/4 inch plate and mark out the plate with a marker pen making sure to get locating dowels in their correct position. Take the clutch plate and locate one with a spline that fits the YJ spigot shaft and the same diameter friction area as the original from the Toyota engine. If you can't find one no worries strip the clutch plate and fit the Jeep center into a new Toyota plate and replace the rivets. With a pin punch mark out the inside and outside of the two plates. Also pin punch all the holes. Note; some of the holes in the copy of the engine plate will need to be Tapped/threaded and one for the clutch fork pivot in the gear box housing will need to be tapped/threaded. Once pilot holes are drilled in both plates remember which holes need to be what size and which need threads tapped into them. Cut out both plates with a cutting torch and with a small grinder clean all surfaces. Drill all the holes to the correct sizes and thread those holes needing threads. Remove the spigot bearing from the center of the crank shaft on the Toyota engine and machineup a bronze bush that is firm in the crankshaft and slightly loose on the end of the spigot shaft. Fit the bush to the Toyota crankshaft. (A bush is okay as the Nissans use a bush and so do many other vehicles. The needle rollers that come out are not so easy to locate, hence the bush option. Assemble the clutch and pressure plate onto the Toyota engine, making sure that the spigot shaft slides in with ease. Fit one plate to the rear of the engine and one to the front of the gearbox. Keep the gearbox as it was blocked up on wood chocks or some such so that it sits well off the ground but in the exact angles and position it would when in the YJ. Slide the engine back onto the spigot shaft making sure that the distance that you measured to the center of the clutch fork from the face of the gearbox is where the clutch pressure plate rests on the clutch thrust bearing. Check that all is aligned with all bolts in place and the rear engine plate you have made parallel to the front gearbox plate you have made. Also the engine back where the clutch forkwas measured to be in the center of its travel and the engine not leaning to either side. That is no lean on the engine. Make sure at this stage that the engine and gearbox are firmly chocked in this position. With 1inch by 1/8 inch flat bar cut lengths to go under the engine bolts on the plate you made for the engineand extend to the outer rim of the gearbox plate you made. That is the flat bar should not be bent but go straight from just under a bolt on the engine plate to the outer area of the gearbox plate. Put one bar at the top, cut another for the correct length to fit at 90 degrees from the top bar and then the same for one on the other side of the engine. Weld these bars in place. Measuring all the time and making sure the engine or gearbox does not move. Fill in the gaps around the plates you made joining the engine to the gearbox with 1 inch flat bar. Remember that the bolts on the engine plate you made will need to be removed so make the welds with just enough clearance for a ring spanner and thin walled socket to take the bolts
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Great write up - makes me miss my wrenching days! If the donor motor is in a body and can be started, you can also do a compression test, a little down is ok as long as it is relatively even across the cylinders. One that is way down indicates trouble. One reason old diesels won't start even if everything looks perfect is lack of compression. Good luck! Mike lres1 wrote: Jonathan, You asked I am a newbe to this. However, will this work on a Jeep YJ??? To start, locate a 2.8 NA Toyota engine with its bellhousing and clutch plates (fan to clutch engine.) If you can not verify the distance the engine has covered or the hours it has run then replace the timing belt, timing belt tensioners and check the injector nozzles to see if they are flat faced or burnt (pitted). If pitted replace the injector nozzles. Take the gearbox and transfer box from the vehicle and place it on blocks so it sits in its correct position, as though it was still mounted in the vehicle (the angles need to be correct longitudinally and across the box.) At this stage the Bell housing should still be on the removed gearbox. There are two types of clutch operating systems fitted to the YJ. One is an internal unit- constructed thrust bearing and slave cylinder, the other is a separate clutch slave cylinder that fits through from the back of the bellhousing and presses onto a clutch fork. This later is very important to get the distances correct in the movement of the fork type. You will need to measure the exact distance from the front face of the gearbox to the center of travel position on the clutch fork along the thrust bearing slide shaft. Don't measure from the bellhousing as this will be discarded. Remove the bellhousing off the Toyota engine. Place the front end of the bellhousing over a 3/4 inch plate of steel and with a marker pen mark all the holes and the inside and outside of the bellhousing onto the plate. Pay particular attention to the locating dowels and the starter motor mount holes. Remove the bellhousing from the YJ gearbox. Place the back end of the bellhousing from the YJ onto a 3/4 inch plate and mark out the plate with a marker pen making sure to get locating dowels in their correct position. Take the clutch plate and locate one with a spline that fits the YJ spigot shaft and the same diameter friction area as the original from the Toyota engine. If you can't find one no worries strip the clutch plate and fit the Jeep center into a new Toyota plate and replace the rivets. With a pin punch mark out the inside and outside of the two plates. Also pin punch all the holes. Note; some of the holes in the copy of the engine plate will need to be Tapped/threaded and one for the clutch fork pivot in the gear box housing will need to be tapped/threaded. Once pilot holes are drilled in both plates remember which holes need to be what size and which need threads tapped into them. Cut out both plates with a cutting torch and with a small grinder clean all surfaces. Drill all the holes to the correct sizes and thread those holes needing threads. Remove the spigot bearing from the center of the crank shaft on the Toyota engine and machine up a bronze bush that is firm in the crankshaft and slightly loose on the end of the spigot shaft. Fit the bush to the Toyota crankshaft. (A bush is okay as the Nissans use a bush and so do many other vehicles. The needle rollers that come out are not so easy to locate, hence the bush option. Assemble the clutch and pressure plate onto the Toyota engine, making sure that the spigot shaft slides in with ease. Fit one plate to the rear of the engine and one to the front of the gearbox. Keep the gearbox as it was blocked up on wood chocks or some such so that it sits well off the ground but in the exact angles and position it would when in the YJ. Slide the engine back onto the spigot shaft making sure that the distance that you measured to the center of the clutch fork from the face of the gearbox is where the clutch pressure plate rests on the clutch thrust bearing. Check that all is aligned with all bolts in place and the rear engine plate you have made parallel to the front gearbox plate you have made. Also the engine back where the clutch fork was measured to be in the center of its travel and the engine not leaning to either side. That is no lean on the engine. Make sure at this stage that the engine and gearbox are firmly chocked in this position. With 1inch by 1/8 inch flat bar cut lengths to go under the engine bolts on the plate you made for the engine and extend to the outer rim of the gearbox plate you made. That is the flat bar should not be bent but go straight from just under a bolt on the engine plate to the outer area of the gearbox plate. Put one bar at the top, cut another for the correct length to fit
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
has anyone installed a 1.6 vw turbodiesel into a minivan? ray From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:10:36 -0400 Great write up - makes me miss my wrenching days! If the donor motor is in a body and can be started, you can also do a compression test, a little down is ok as long as it is relatively even across the cylinders. One that is way down indicates trouble. One reason old diesels won't start even if everything looks perfect is lack of compression. Good luck! Mike lres1 wrote: Jonathan, You asked I am a newbe to this. However, will this work on a Jeep YJ??? To start, locate a 2.8 NA Toyota engine with its bellhousing and clutch plates (fan to clutch engine.) If you can not verify the distance the engine has covered or the hours it has run then replace the timing belt, timing belt tensioners and check the injector nozzles to see if they are flat faced or burnt (pitted). If pitted replace the injector nozzles. Take the gearbox and transfer box from the vehicle and place it on blocks so it sits in its correct position, as though it was still mounted in the vehicle (the angles need to be correct longitudinally and across the box.) At this stage the Bell housing should still be on the removed gearbox. There are two types of clutch operating systems fitted to the YJ. One is an internal unit- constructed thrust bearing and slave cylinder, the other is a separate clutch slave cylinder that fits through from the back of the bellhousing and presses onto a clutch fork. This later is very important to get the distances correct in the movement of the fork type. You will need to measure the exact distance from the front face of the gearbox to the center of travel position on the clutch fork along the thrust bearing slide shaft. Don't measure from the bellhousing as this will be discarded. Remove the bellhousing off the Toyota engine. Place the front end of the bellhousing over a 3/4 inch plate of steel and with a marker pen mark all the holes and the inside and outside of the bellhousing onto the plate. Pay particular attention to the locating dowels and the starter motor mount holes. Remove the bellhousing from the YJ gearbox. Place the back end of the bellhousing from the YJ onto a 3/4 inch plate and mark out the plate with a marker pen making sure to get locating dowels in their correct position. Take the clutch plate and locate one with a spline that fits the YJ spigot shaft and the same diameter friction area as the original from the Toyota engine. If you can't find one no worries strip the clutch plate and fit the Jeep center into a new Toyota plate and replace the rivets. With a pin punch mark out the inside and outside of the two plates. Also pin punch all the holes. Note; some of the holes in the copy of the engine plate will need to be Tapped/threaded and one for the clutch fork pivot in the gear box housing will need to be tapped/threaded. Once pilot holes are drilled in both plates remember which holes need to be what size and which need threads tapped into them. Cut out both plates with a cutting torch and with a small grinder clean all surfaces. Drill all the holes to the correct sizes and thread those holes needing threads. Remove the spigot bearing from the center of the crank shaft on the Toyota engine and machine up a bronze bush that is firm in the crankshaft and slightly loose on the end of the spigot shaft. Fit the bush to the Toyota crankshaft. (A bush is okay as the Nissans use a bush and so do many other vehicles. The needle rollers that come out are not so easy to locate, hence the bush option. Assemble the clutch and pressure plate onto the Toyota engine, making sure that the spigot shaft slides in with ease. Fit one plate to the rear of the engine and one to the front of the gearbox. Keep the gearbox as it was blocked up on wood chocks or some such so that it sits well off the ground but in the exact angles and position it would when in the YJ. Slide the engine back onto the spigot shaft making sure that the distance that you measured to the center of the clutch fork from the face of the gearbox is where the clutch pressure plate rests on the clutch thrust bearing. Check that all is aligned with all bolts in place and the rear engine plate you have made parallel to the front gearbox plate you have made. Also the engine back where the clutch fork was measured to be in the center of its travel and the engine not leaning to either side. That is no lean on the engine. Make sure at this stage that the engine and gearbox are firmly chocked in this position. With 1inch by 1/8 inch flat bar cut lengths to go under the engine bolts on the plate you made for the engine and extend
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to handle it, and just where to put it. Organising it would be quite a lot of work, and there's a queue. But don't be discouraged, let's see how it goes and we'll see what we can do. Quite a lot of people have been writing to Journey to Forever asking about diesel conversions, nearly all of them Americans. Quite a lot also want to know if biofuel (turns out to be biodiesel) will work in their gasoline motor. Some of them just get impatient when you tell them it won't. Why not? What do you expect me to do then? So it might be popular, but that's not the only criterion; it's not our focus, but we don't really make rules about it. People here like what you're doing, that's always a good recommendation. Please keep going. Send me the pictures. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
