Re: [Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass
Hi Mary Lynn I just saw this, sorry, I missed it before: snip Keith is doing it right by publishing exactly the what and how in making biodiesel .. he's not holding back information, he isn't making it to sell .. and although I'd think that he does, also I'm a late arrival to the list .. I'd have to check but I think less than a year .. I don't believe I've ever read that he does make his own. Yes indeed, we do make our own biodiesel. We've been making our own biodiesel for years, we use biodiesel all the time, we demonstrate it and promote it at Energy Fairs and in other ways, we hold regular seminars on making it, we spread the technology far and wide, our diesel TownAce hasn't been to gas station in three years. I say every few days or so in some way or another that we make it, I must've said so scores of times in the last year. Yesterday, eg: -- There are some glycerine by-product sawdust logs burning in our woodstove right now. Previously we used sawdust logs made with NaOH by-product, there's no difference. In another message yesterday: -- We used NaOH for years and switched to KOH more than two years ago, we've used a lot of it since then, we live in a humid place and we haven't seen any difference in absorption. A couple of days earlier: -- I had to drive about 30 miles [on SVO, in the cold], do some stuff and come back again, so I did that without switching off, and then added 40 litres of biodiesel treated with Wintron CFPP depressant. No problems since then, easy starts. A few days before that: - Along with the process itself, it might have quite a lot to do with this: How do you manage to make such clean biodiesel out of waste oil? a puzzled GC technician asked Midori in Tokyo yesterday at the university lab that's doing tests for us. It said so on the test results too in a comment at the end: Very clean biodiesel!! And so on and on. It says all over the Biofuels section of our website that we do indeed make our own biodiesel, it's hands-on stuff, it couldn't be anything else. The Biodiesel section starts that way, right at the top of the first page: - Email to Journey to Forever friends, Friday 23 April 1999: We turned our kitchen into a sort of illicit still and made a hell of a mess in there brewing biodiesel fuel out of about 60 litres of yukky waste cooking oil we got from behind McDonald's one night... It's totally obvious that we make biodiesel, I just don't see how you could reach the strange conclusion that maybe we don't. You think it's all just armchair stuff? Sorry, I just think that's very weird. Keith (somewhat gobsmacked) snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass
And I think letting the other be the only voice framing the argument is flat stupid. If there were a bill up to regulate BD; I would go to Capital Hill and present facts to lawmakes. I don't pretend it's a fair process, I've lived in the DC area my whole life - I know how it works. Maybe I've just had better luck with lawmakers. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I do believe that your kind of spreading the word is what we need. I think it is the talking to those on Capital Hill, face to face that is dangerous. I am not Keith, but I learned way back when that telling the truth and trying to get legislation to be reasonable doesn't work. That was a different time and a different country, but I have seen the same crap happen here. Those who support the status quo just destroyed the Brazos Literacy Volunteers of America to the point where it no longer exists. Unfortunately, they took down 8 small town groups with them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Hello All, My father-in-law, a diesel mechanic, has helped me build a BD processor, travelled with me from NY to Florida to get an clean, old Mercedes that just loves BD. He is a wonderful man. We differ in opinion on one particular point re: biodiesel. He says: Lay low in the high grass. I say: Spread the word, change the world. I just retired after teaching high school biology for 32 years. I was asked to come back, sort of as a guest speaker. I got to spend two days w. former students, now taking AP Biology. I demonstrated the basic idea of making biodiesel 1L in a PET bottle saw the glycerine split had bd as diff. stages of wash and showed that the bd I made in class wash poor quality (didn't pass the wash test). This was enthusiastically received, ... much discussion, and I left them with the assurance that I would come back to the chem. class when they knew about titration and were doing the organic chem unit. My car's license plate is BD 100. I talk to friends, acquaintences, or any one who expresses an interest in bd or any alternate energy system. I've had a few tours of my processing setup. Several recent posts seem to be suggesting that we lay low and expand as a underground force. I just am interested in the views of other list members. i.e. Do we lay low, or spread the word'? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass
Hello All, My father-in-law, a diesel mechanic, has helped me build a BD processor, travelled with me from NY to Florida to get an clean, old Mercedes that just loves BD. He is a wonderful man. We differ in opinion on one particular point re: biodiesel. He says: "Lay low in the high grass." I say: "Spread the word, change the world." I just retired after teaching high school biology for 32 years. I was asked to come back, sort of as a guest speaker. I got to spend two days w. former students, now taking AP Biology.I demonstrated the basic idea of making biodiesel 1L in a PET bottle saw the glycerine split had bd as diff.stages of wash and showed that the bd I made in class wash poor quality (didn't pass the wash test).This was enthusiastically received, ... much discussion,and I left them with the assurance that I would come back to the chem. class when they knew about titration and were doing the organic chem unit. My car's license plate is BD 100. I talk to friends, acquaintences, or any one who expresses an interest in bd or any alternate energy system. I've had a few "tours" of my processing setup. Several recent posts seem to be suggesting that we "lay low" and expand as a underground force. I just am interested in the views of other list members. i.e. Do we "lay low", or "spread the word'? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass
On Dec 3, 2005, at 8:52 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:My father-in-law..is a wonderful man. We differ in opinion on one particular point re: biodiesel. He says, "Lay low inthe high grass." I say, "Spread the word, change the world." My car's license plate is BD 100. I talk to friends, acquaintences,or any one who expresses an interest in bd. Several recent posts seem to be suggesting that we "lay low" andexpand as a underground force. I just am interested in the views of other list members.An interesting issue -- I have notoriously advocated the "lay low"approach, with the exception that I'm happy to discuss the IDEAof homemade biofuels with anyone. Only people that I trust (andanyone spying on my email :-() know that I've ever made it myself.As far as people expressing an interest, that would have to includethe local fire marshall, who came to one of my sister's parties yearsago and was very concerned that her little brother was makingbiodiesel, til he learned that it was in another county. Now that Ilive is HIS county, you can be sure he knows nothing about it!I admire anyone who is willing to put their neck out there vis-a-vislicense plates etc. I always figure they're either very trusting, verynaive, or else they are truly prepared to make some life sacrificesfor their beliefs. If the latter, more power to 'em..-K___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass
Greetings, I do believe that your kind of spreading the word is what we need. I think it is the talking to those on Capital Hill, face to face that is dangerous. I am not Keith, but I learned way back when that telling the truth and trying to get legislation to be reasonable doesn't work. That was a different time and a different country, but I have seen the same crap happen here. Those who support the status quo just destroyed the Brazos Literacy Volunteers of America to the point where it no longer exists. Unfortunately, they took down 8 small town groups with them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Hello All, My father-in-law, a diesel mechanic, has helped me build a BD processor, travelled with me from NY to Florida to get an clean, old Mercedes that just loves BD. He is a wonderful man. We differ in opinion on one particular point re: biodiesel. He says: Lay low in the high grass. I say: Spread the word, change the world. I just retired after teaching high school biology for 32 years. I was asked to come back, sort of as a guest speaker. I got to spend two days w. former students, now taking AP Biology. I demonstrated the basic idea of making biodiesel 1L in a PET bottle saw the glycerine split had bd as diff. stages of wash and showed that the bd I made in class wash poor quality (didn't pass the wash test). This was enthusiastically received, ... much discussion, and I left them with the assurance that I would come back to the chem. class when they knew about titration and were doing the organic chem unit. My car's license plate is BD 100. I talk to friends, acquaintences, or any one who expresses an interest in bd or any alternate energy system. I've had a few tours of my processing setup. Several recent posts seem to be suggesting that we lay low and expand as a underground force. I just am interested in the views of other list members. i.e. Do we lay low, or spread the word'? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass
. This may take quite a few more years. The focus still seems to be in the arena of health and wellness .. but I've watched over the past 20+ years and it's been like a wave washing over the land. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:52:12 -0500 Hello All, My father-in-law, a diesel mechanic, has helped me build a BD processor, travelled with me from NY to Florida to get an clean, old Mercedes that just loves BD. He is a wonderful man. We differ in opinion on one particular point re: biodiesel. He says: Lay low in the high grass. I say: Spread the word, change the world. I just retired after teaching high school biology for 32 years. I was asked to come back, sort of as a guest speaker. I got to spend two days w. former students, now taking AP Biology. I demonstrated the basic idea of making biodiesel 1L in a PET bottle saw the glycerine split had bd as diff. stages of wash and showed that the bd I made in class wash poor quality (didn't pass the wash test). This was enthusiastically received, ... much discussion, and I left them with the assurance that I would come back to the chem. class when they knew about titration and were doing the organic chem unit. My car's license plate is BD 100. I talk to friends, acquaintences, or any one who expresses an interest in bd or any alternate energy system. I've had a few tours of my processing setup. Several recent posts seem to be suggesting that we lay low and expand as a underground force. I just am interested in the views of other list members. i.e. Do we lay low, or spread the word'? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
