Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Rexis Tree a écrit : http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. The first car, named never satisfied, that has broken the 100 km/h barrier in 1889, was electric powered http://www.speedace.info/jamais.htm http://www.histomobile.com/1/Jenatzy/1899/Jamais_contente_.htm?lan=1 frantz, jamais content ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Actually, you can transmit power over the air using microwaves. To the best of my knowledge this is proven, but I have no idea about the efficiencies.. There were stories a year or two ago about setting up solar panels on the moon and transmitting the power back down to earth using microwaves. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/lunar_power_000712.html Ken Riznyk wrote: Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
In fact, we had a golden era of the zero-emissions, quiet electric car for approximately 30 years circa 1900. I have made rather a study of it (still in progress). If you want to learn more, I heartily recommend my webpages on the subject, beginning at: http://www.econogics.com/ev/evhistry.htm As for the Tesla electric car, I can only wish and dream the story is true and not apocryphal (and that we can stumble upon the secret again). However, given the amount of power that vacuum tubes of the period could typically handle (and especially the type that would have been in stock in a local store), I remain skeptical about this story. Yes, he could have built an inverter, but I don't see how it could have handled the power to travel in a heavy vehicle with poor aerodynamics at over 90 mph with typical vacuum tubes of the period. For 80 hp, we are talking about 60,000 watts. Assuming a 3-phase inverter (3-phase AC being Tesla's trademark), using 12 tubes, that's 4 tubes per phase. With 2 tubes for the negative side and two tubes for the positive side for each phase, that means each tube (if perfectly balanced) would have to handle 30,000 watts (each phase has to be able to handle the full rated power). If high voltage were available in the ether, I suspect organisms such as ourselves would have serious issues. So, that leaves high current as the alternative, again, not friendly to typical vacuum tubes. I welcome the opportunity to be convinced otherwise, preferably with a working model that is available for demonstration and examination. Darryl McMahon Rexis Tree wrote: http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Yes, you can transmit power via microwaves. However, if significant amounts of power are being transmitted, you don't want to be in the path. Could be dicey when trying to power vehicles in which we are occupants. Darryl McMahon Marty Phee wrote: Actually, you can transmit power over the air using microwaves. To the best of my knowledge this is proven, but I have no idea about the efficiencies.. There were stories a year or two ago about setting up solar panels on the moon and transmitting the power back down to earth using microwaves. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/lunar_power_000712.html Ken Riznyk wrote: Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken One of his biographers thought he came from the planet Venus. Well, maybe he did. Maybe what he was trying to do with all his fireworks was warm the place up a bit, it's such a cold planet by comparison. As yet, anyway (watch this space)... Best Keith --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rexis Tree wrote: http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. from the link: with an 80-horsepower alternating-current electric motor with no external power source. At a local radio shop he bought 12 vacuum tubes, some wires and assorted resistors, and assembled them in a circuit box 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high, with a pair of 3-inch rods sticking out. Getting into the car with the circuit box in the front seat beside him, he pushed the rods in, announced, We now have power, and proceeded to test drive the car for a week, often at speeds of up to 90 mph. As it was an alternating-current motor and there were no batteries involved, where did the power come from? the question shouldn't be where did the power come from but where did the srory come? this is obviously mythology. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
One of Tesla's last experiments was to tape in to the magnetic field of the Earth to produce power. Some say he succeeded, but no notes were found after his death. Of course, the War Department and Naval Research Lab confiscated most of his belongings after his death. A trunk full of his papers was discovered in the '60s in his native Yugoslavia, but now that we've totally screwed up Bosnia-Herzegovina and the rest of the former Republic, there's no telling where they are now. Walker Bennett Sedona, Arizona I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them. --Isaac Asimov My personal homepage My writing portfolio In The Beginning - ISBN: 1-4116-3848-4 Just In Time - ISBN 1-4116-3851-4 Available from Amazon.Com Ad Astra - Coming Soon from Cydonia Publishing -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darryl McMahon Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:36 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning In fact, we had a golden era of the zero-emissions, quiet electric car for approximately 30 years circa 1900. I have made rather a study of it (still in progress). If you want to learn more, I heartily recommend my webpages on the subject, beginning at: http://www.econogics.com/ev/evhistry.htm As for the Tesla electric car, I can only wish and dream the story is true and not apocryphal (and that we can stumble upon the secret again). However, given the amount of power that vacuum tubes of the period could typically handle (and especially the type that would have been in stock in a local store), I remain skeptical about this story. Yes, he could have built an inverter, but I don't see how it could have handled the power to travel in a heavy vehicle with poor aerodynamics at over 90 mph with typical vacuum tubes of the period. For 80 hp, we are talking about 60,000 watts. Assuming a 3-phase inverter (3-phase AC being Tesla's trademark), using 12 tubes, that's 4 tubes per phase. With 2 tubes for the negative side and two tubes for the positive side for each phase, that means each tube (if perfectly balanced) would have to handle 30,000 watts (each phase has to be able to handle the full rated power). If high voltage were available in the ether, I suspect organisms such as ourselves would have serious issues. So, that leaves high current as the alternative, again, not friendly to typical vacuum tubes. I welcome the opportunity to be convinced otherwise, preferably with a working model that is available for demonstration and examination. Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
This idea surfaces every couple of years and is totally impractical. Example: In the '60s I was briefly stationed at Treasure Island, California (middle of SF Bay). We had an AN-SPS30 Radar (i.e., microwave) installation on the island (6MW) that the city of San Francisco wouldn't let the Navy turn on because it lit up every fluorescent bulb in a 10-mile radius. A typical power plant generates Gigawatts, not Megawatts...imagine what a several a GW beam would do to anything that got in the way. Walker Bennett Sedona, Arizona I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them. --Isaac Asimov My personal homepage My writing portfolio In The Beginning - ISBN: 1-4116-3848-4 Just In Time - ISBN 1-4116-3851-4 Available from Amazon.Com Ad Astra - Coming Soon from Cydonia Publishing -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Phee Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:35 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning Actually, you can transmit power over the air using microwaves. To the best of my knowledge this is proven, but I have no idea about the efficiencies.. There were stories a year or two ago about setting up solar panels on the moon and transmitting the power back down to earth using microwaves. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/lunar_power_000712.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
I remain skeptical as well to tesla's electric car. What a different world it would become if this was true. But I believe it is more like a myth then fact. This is just like what you see in the following site: http://www.fuellesspower.com/ (And before you believe in anything, refer following) http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/newclaims/rickharrison/vortex_dc_motor.htm When Tesla's death FBI clean up the hotel room he stayed and his papers were declared to be top secrete. It is said that he is researching some kind of weapon that will make all kind of air force obsolete. Truth is never known. More about Tesla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla Yeah, about microwave power transmission, i always wanted to ask: are they harmful to birds? :p (birds cooked by flying thru the beam) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Rexis Tree wrote: http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. from the link: with an 80-horsepower alternating-current electric motor with no external power source. At a local radio shop he bought 12 vacuum tubes, some wires and assorted resistors, and assembled them in a circuit box 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high, with a pair of 3-inch rods sticking out. Getting into the car with the circuit box in the front seat beside him, he pushed the rods in, announced, We now have power, and proceeded to test drive the car for a week, often at speeds of up to 90 mph. As it was an alternating-current motor and there were no batteries involved, where did the power come from? the question shouldn't be where did the power come from but where did the srory come? this is obviously mythology. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rexis Tree wrote: http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. from the link: with an 80-horsepower alternating-current electric motor with no external power source. At a local radio shop he bought 12 vacuum tubes, some wires and assorted resistors, and assembled them in a circuit box 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high, with a pair of 3-inch rods sticking out. Getting into the car with the circuit box in the front seat beside him, he pushed the rods in, announced, We now have power, and proceeded to test drive the car for a week, often at speeds of up to 90 mph. As it was an alternating-current motor and there were no batteries involved, where did the power come from? the question shouldn't be where did the power come from but where did the srory come? this is obviously mythology. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
