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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Good for you Walt!
And we at BioFuels Energy Corporation are the same. Because we
understand the need for biofuels, we (a group of people who are mostly
retired or semi-retired) have
, October 12, 2004 10:58 AM
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At 09:56 AM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote:
Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system
that
can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay
in
fuel taxes in your
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Sent: 13 October 2004 17:06
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Yes, there si a hydrogen fueling station being built (with taxpayers money
Hello Steve,
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From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that
can generate 30 miles per day
Walt, If I charge an EV from my solar panels, I can go twice as far than If
I used that electric to electrolyze hydrogen, compress it, and burn it in
a fuel cell. Not to mention the costs involved with the electrolyzer, the
compressor, and the fuel cell far outweigh the cost of an EV. Now why
I'm trying to clarify for others that hydrogen, although a neat science fair
experiment, is nowhere near practical for transportation, as your posts would
have led the uninformed to believe. Keep experimenting and have fun with it,
but please don't recommend it as a viable fuel.
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Dear Spence, Well said, although I heard there is a
hydrogen fueling station under construction in Bay
Area, Californa.
By the way, I am helping http://www.owec.com/ with an
Ocean Wave Energy project. I am seeking DOE grants or
other seed captial for this man. Does anyone know of
special
Yes, there si a hydrogen fueling station being built (with taxpayers money) so
Arnold has a place to fill up his hummer. That way he can pretend to be green
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It cannot stand on it's own, fiscally.
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Dear Spence, Well said, although I heard there is a
hydrogen
Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on
hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have taken
you on a pure EV? More than 60 miles ..
But a vehicle with a range of 60 miles is of less utility to me than one
which can do 30 miles on
Why do you not use ethanol instead or biodiesel if the truck is a diesel?
Our primary interest is in converting wood waste into methanol. That
involves generating H2 and CO, and being able to sweeten the mix in order
to increase yield, hence our interest in ancillary ways to generate and use
YES!!! You said my favorite word in the World! TAX-FREE
People here in the US need to take note!
Jonathan
Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 02:25 PM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote:
Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on
hydrogen, then compared how many miles
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YES!!! You said my favorite word in the World! TAX-FREE
People here in the US need to take note!
Jonathan
Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 02:25 PM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote:
Did you consider
Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that
can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in
fuel taxes in your lifetime.
You're probably right, but so what?
Everyone's situation is different, and therefore their options will
Walt,
I like to design the kitchen and cook food, because I think it is fun and I
like good tasting food. I will however recent any suggestions or thoughts
on the line that make the whole world dependent on that I cook for them. If
that would be the case, they would die of starvation. I
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:58
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have
for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a
McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece
time you will not
have to go back and redo it in the future, providing you get an opportunity
to do that.
Luc
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From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:58
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
It's sort
would
I be so foolish to throw away my expensive and high quality PV electric in
such a manner?
Steve Spence
http://www.green-trust.org
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From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range
upon a time we had a Chevy Nova that we considered operating on hydrogen.
Assuming that we stored the H2 in a series of small scuba-like tanks, we
figured we could get about thirty miles before the H2 ran out.
Initially, that was disappointing, but then we got to figuring that so
long as
Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on
hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have taken you
on a pure EV? More than 60 miles ..
That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't be done,
it's that it shouldn't
Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on
hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have taken you
on a pure EV? More than 60 miles ..
That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't be done,
it's that it
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