Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
hi Zeke. I wasn't really I was in the autoparts store looking for Heet methanol and isopropyl alcohols when I spied the ethylene glycol and while standing there feeling like an outsider (everyone else in the store was going to use the products for its intended purpose) I am beginning to see past the labels and look at the ingredients. So, as I expand my awareness (thanks to this group) I go back to things I read here without being exactly able to recall details while in the aisles of the auto parts store. Vague recollections is about all that come to me and I am barely over fifty. To answer your question, if I haven't in a round about way already, I have no idea why I was asking about ethylene glycol. On an upbeat note this information about propylene glycol is very interesting as I have the coils of radiant floor heaters in my house and as yet have not hooked them up. I am waiting for inspiration to build a boiler for our wood fired space heater. Thanks for making another scratch to itch, I think. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
Correction, Methyl Ethyl Ketone PEROXIDE (MEKP)is used as the hardening agent (Catalyst) in fiberglass. Methyl Ethyl Ketone is like an acetone used for thinning some paints and polyester gelcoats. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:46 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone Yes, Ethylene glycol is your normal green antifreeze for cars. Propylene glycol is a non-toxic antifreeze used in solar thermal systems and some of the new car antifreeze formulations. It's usually pink when I've seen it, although I'm not sure if this is natural color or dye. Why are you looking for ethylene glycol? On 10/19/05, Brian Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Very good thanks Ken > Now that you jog my memory I recall buying methanol at the parts store > last week and right next to the Heet brand de-icer I saw isopropyl > alcohol. > next, I need to look in the archives for ethylene glycol as I > remember talk of it here last month. At the time I was interested in > something else so I skimmed it with little absorption on mind part. > Anyway isn't glycol a anti-freeze? I am ready to take Chemistry 101 at > the local university. > Brian Rodgers > > On 10/19/05, Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: > > > > > Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in > > > fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically > > > alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. > > > > > > > > > That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone > > peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. > > MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very > > much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher > > boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. > > Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. > > > > Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from > > auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you > > get the one that says "CONTAINS NO METHANOL". > > Otherwise, it's pure methanol... > > > > -K > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
Yes, Ethylene glycol is your normal green antifreeze for cars. Propylene glycol is a non-toxic antifreeze used in solar thermal systems and some of the new car antifreeze formulations. It's usually pink when I've seen it, although I'm not sure if this is natural color or dye. Why are you looking for ethylene glycol? On 10/19/05, Brian Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Very good thanks Ken > Now that you jog my memory I recall buying methanol at the parts store > last week and right next to the Heet brand de-icer I saw isopropyl > alcohol. > next, I need to look in the archives for ethylene glycol as I > remember talk of it here last month. At the time I was interested in > something else so I skimmed it with little absorption on mind part. > Anyway isn't glycol a anti-freeze? I am ready to take Chemistry 101 at > the local university. > Brian Rodgers > > On 10/19/05, Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: > > > > > Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in > > > fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically > > > alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. > > > > > > > > > That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone > > peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. > > MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very > > much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher > > boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. > > Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. > > > > Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from > > auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you > > get the one that says "CONTAINS NO METHANOL". > > Otherwise, it's pure methanol... > > > > -K > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
Very good thanks Ken Now that you jog my memory I recall buying methanol at the parts store last week and right next to the Heet brand de-icer I saw isopropyl alcohol. next, I need to look in the archives for ethylene glycol as I remember talk of it here last month. At the time I was interested in something else so I skimmed it with little absorption on mind part. Anyway isn't glycol a anti-freeze? I am ready to take Chemistry 101 at the local university. Brian Rodgers On 10/19/05, Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: > > > Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in > > fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically > > alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. > > > > > That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone > peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. > MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very > much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher > boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. > Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. > > Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from > auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you > get the one that says "CONTAINS NO METHANOL". > Otherwise, it's pure methanol... > > -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
I stand corrected. On 10/19/05, Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone > peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methyl ethyl ketone
On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: > Methyl Ethyl Ketone is used as the hardening agent in > fiberglass work. NASTY stuff. Ketones aren't technically > alcohols anyway, if I remember my organic chemistry right. > That's right, but the hardener is methyl ethyl ketone peroxide -- a very different thing from simple MEK. MEK is a great solvent -- works and smells very much like its close relative acetone, but has a higher boiling point and therefore makes less fumes. Commonly used as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. Small quantities of pure isopropanol are avail from auto parts stores as gasoline dryer. Be sure you get the one that says "CONTAINS NO METHANOL". Otherwise, it's pure methanol... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
