Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-19 Thread Joe Street
Hi Vakin; Thanks for your input. When you say 200 ml RO do you mean you wash a 1 liter test batch with 200 ml of reverse osmosis water? BTW 95 deg. C is pretty warm it may dry the fuel quicker but there are some notes on J2F that indicate biodiesel can oxidize. It may be accelerated at that

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-19 Thread Vaklin Hristov
Hi At 16:48 19.12.2005 'ã.', you wrote: Hi Vakin; Thanks for your input. When you say 200 ml RO do you mean you wash a 1 liter test batch with 200 ml of reverse osmosis water? No. I mean 200 ml methil ester washed with 56 ml pure water. After heating for couple of minutes up to 55 deg. C it

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-19 Thread fresheggs141
a/c compressors or refrigerator compressors will produce enough vacuum but they are also designed to allow thier crankase oil to circulate through the system. if it is not captured and returned they don't run for very long -- Original message -- From: Joe Street

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-19 Thread Vaklin Hristov
@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:49:09 + Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; boundary=NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25556_1135044792_1 Hi Vakin; Thanks for your input. When you say 200 ml RO do you mean you wash a 1 liter test batch with 200 ml

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike, Joe and all Along the lines of testing or thinking outside the box I've been up to 5 things which may be on interest: 1. Titrating - I've taken to using titrating more as a starting point these days - now I usually make 6 - 8 mini batches and just look to see which gives the best

[Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-17 Thread Rumen Slavov
Just an addition: In my early batches I was so curious how the BD will affect the engine I did that test-after the third wash the fuel was something like Fanta orange,with lot of water dispersed within,but I pour it in the tank.My Renault 11 was just fine.Then I heated the BD to dewater it and

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-17 Thread Joe Street
Kewl! A form of water injection. Well I think the water will not be good for the injection pump. If only it was machined from stainless steel it would be ok I think. Keeping the fuel and water emulsified would be a bit of a trick, and in cold weather.uh oh. Joe Rumen Slavov wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-17 Thread Vaklin Hristov
Hi! Some time before (I mean early '80) many automotive enthusiast add a water injector to their carburetors. Bit better mileage with the same power. Return line for diesel engines has a enough quantity of fuel to do stir washing of your BD. Important is to not get fresh water into the pump!

[Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-16 Thread Rumen Slavov
Hi Mike,Hi Joe, I am completely agree with you on point one,Mike,I`v experienced it on my own neck.Point two-you are right about silica,but I gave it up-it is a mess when it comes to recovering the stuff;nevertheless it is useful to absorb any water content leftover,just pump it trough the

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-15 Thread Robert Carr
- Original Message - From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts I let some of my BD settle for about 2 months (indoors, 22 degrees celcius) and by the time I got

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-15 Thread Joe Street
Good points there Todd; I would like to add though that it is really informative to those of us on the list with less experience when we read posts such as these and though information may be somewhat anecdotal or even if somewhat scientific if it is less than rigorous it may still be of use

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Along the lines of testing or thinking outside the box I've been up to 5 things which may be on interest: 1. Titrating - I've taken to using titrating more as a starting point these days - now I usually make 6 - 8 mini batches and just look to see which gives the best yield. I am putting

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-15 Thread Joe Street
I would concur with you on point number three. Right from my first test batch with 1 liter of new oil I noticed that the BD at the end of washing is cloudy and I heated it with a stainless immersion (rod) heater (in a 2 liter flask) and little drops of water would form at the heater and drop

[Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-14 Thread ReZn0r
Hi We are making BD with a homemade reactor (80 liters). We have used de single stage and de two stage (base-base) methods succesfuly, but we still having many doubts :) In the two stages method described in journeytoforever, the mix settle around 12 h between first and

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-14 Thread Appal Energy
ReZn0r, Settling time is simply letting gravity do the separation work for you, rather than enlisting equipment such as centrifuges. The more glycerol/soap that is extracted by settling the less impediment to the subsequent step, whether it be stage two or washing. Todd Swearingen Hi

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-14 Thread ReZn0r
Hi Appal, Con fecha miércoles, 14 de diciembre de 2005, 14:00:32, escribiste: Hi We are making BD with a homemade reactor (80 liters). We have used de single stage and de two stage (base-base) methods succesfuly, but we still having many doubts :) In the two stages method

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-14 Thread Kenji James Fuse
I've had a question about the two-stage, base-base method as well. My second stage resulted in such a little amount of glycerin it didn't seem worth the extra time or effort. Any comments? I suppose the removal of this last tablespoon of glycerin gets my BD to ASTM standards for free glycerin, but

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-14 Thread Teoman Naskali
. Is there any error here? Thanks for any advice Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:01 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts ReZn0r, Settling

Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts

2005-12-14 Thread Appal Energy
ReZn0r, All chemical reactions, in one way shape or form, are reactions of equilibrium. And the results of many reactions are less than desired if the chemical balance is only one of stoichiometric balance. Hence the need on many occasions to use excess amounts of one chemical or another in