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I think I lit the fuse on this thread but I'm just glad it is still
burning! :-) I
would also volunteer to run a similar thing here in Canada. Originally
my
We would be an adjuct to what already exists. I will say that one thing
I would put on a BD advocacy website would be a guide to laws,
federal and local, as well as a How-to on setting up a BD co-op.
Any attorneys on this list?
Kenji James Fuse wrote:
The NBB does do some of this advocacy,
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nah,
when it comes it'll be from two directions:
The trap grease people will get together as soon
policy in a direction you are comfortable with?
Tom
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From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM
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I think I lit the fuse on this thread but I'm just glad it is still
burning! :-) I
would also volunteer to run a similar thing here in Canada. Originally
my idea was just a kind of registry on my website which is sponsored by
the university I work for. My idea was that cars registered on my
Joe,
I think there is some merit to this. Certainly a description of the
rules that do exist (and proposed as we become aware of them) for each
jurisdiction with Canada would be useful. It's something I had in mind
for the Ottawa co-op when I lent the greendiesel.com URL to them.
Perhaps we
"stick it to the man"Yes!If people won't participate in government and it results in only half of the electorate picking one of the most powerful political offices in the world,it requires a revolution by those who see the imbalance of power, the epidemic of corruption and nationalist
Joe,
Thanks for the
offer.Would the car registration be limited to Canadian
residents?
Tom
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Joe Street
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alternate
Excellent Darryl;
Thanks for the post. I'll talk to the alt fuels group here at UW and
see what I can find out about what the research title affords them. I
know the solar car for example does not even require a license to be
driven on the road. I welcome your input from your experience with
Mike
snip
Frankly, I'm amazed at the amount of flak that has shown up from *this*
side of the aisle.
There's no aisle here.
I haven't noticed you contributing anything other than negative comments.
Seems you didn't catch him on a bad day Kim.
What are you trying to say Mike? Kim has
: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
[snip]
Where in the world do you not find illicit stills at work? As with
all things illicit, attempts to eradicate or control it seldom if
ever meet with more than 10% success, and even that's short-lived for
special efforts, 5% is more
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Greetings,
If you are watching what is happening on the pesticide testing on
children,
forum, yes, we are making a big difference. In Texas, we now have legal
raw milk
with?
Tom
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From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM
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Greetings,
I am trying
The NBB does do some of this advocacy, although we all know it is
basically a lobby for the soy industry.
I'm more inclined to put my $100 into forming a co-operative association.
It seems more practical and hands-on. It provides very real protection, as
an incorporation, yet offers an
with?
Tom
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From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Greetings,
I am trying
Congrats on the job, but im not changing my stance.
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You guys DO know I work
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:02:53 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Walker and all
I would be more
, we'll just roll them under.
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[snip]
Where in the world do you not find illicit stills
Keith wrote:
Prohibition in the US wasn't exactly a resounding success, it just
drove it underground and boosted organised crime. I've read that the
consumption of alcohol went up, by as much as 80% some have said. The
attraction of the illicit.
Some interesting related info:
In researching
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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:02 AM
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Hello Walker and all
I would be more than willing to pay and be a member of a group like
this. It's not going to be long before the government or Exxon
Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
[snip]
Where in the world do you not find illicit stills at work? As with
all things illicit, attempts to eradicate or control it seldom if
ever meet with more than 10% success, and even that's short-lived for
special efforts, 5% is more the norm
:00 AM
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There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All
registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and
the State they sell fuel in. They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow
Doesn't surprise me.
We Americans have very little patience for the truth.
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Keith wrote:
Prohibition in the US wasn't exactly a resounding success, it just
drove it underground and boosted organised crime. I've read that the
consumption of alcohol went up, by as much
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Hello Walker and all
I would be more than willing to pay and be a member of a group like
this. It's not going to be long before
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM
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Nah,
when it comes it'll be from two directions:
The trap grease people
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Hello Walker and all
I would be more than willing to pay and be a member of a group
, Attack of the Grease People. It's bound
to be a cult classic.
Doug
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM
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, December 03, 2005 1:02 AM
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fuel vehicles?
Hello Walker and all
I would be more than willing to pay and be a
member of a group like
this. It's not going to be long before the
government or Exxon
tries to get in on the act
Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM
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Greetings,
I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a
member of an advocacy group. I am
At 50 mpg why bother?
David Miller wrote:
Joe Street wrote:
Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed.
So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using
taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could
be identified by
I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the
winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some
point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or
prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there
are a lot of us
Nah,
when it comes it'll be from two directions:
The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start
feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that
declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling. This will
require fairly expensive equipment and
Hi Mike,
Just waiting for the movie, Attack of the Grease People. It's bound
to be a cult classic.
Doug
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.
Doug
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Nah,
when it comes it'll be from two directions:
The trap grease people
for the movie, "Attack of the Grease People." It's bound
to be a cult classic.
Doug
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:15 PM
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All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an
advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly
would anyone pay to be a member?
-Mike
On 12/2/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of anadvocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantlywould anyone pay to be a member?
I'd pay. If only to stick it to the man who's trying to pull the strings of the world, IE
Mike Weaver wrote:
All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an
advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly
would anyone pay to be a member?
I would pay something just to support the cause. Probably in the
$50-100 range.
--- David
I'm very serious. I would be willing to start it - my real business is
to provide consulting to non-profits - I know how they work and I know
how Capital Hill works.
The primarly goal is to keep biodiesel-brewing legal and safe.
I envision a DC-based non-profit that would keep tabs on legal
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Nah,
when it comes it'll be from two directions:
The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start
I would be more than willing to pay and be a member of a group like this. It's not going to be long before the government or Exxon tries to get in on the act and we need to be prepared.Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm very serious. I would be willing to start it - my real business is to
of the Grease People. It's bound
to be a cult classic.
Doug
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Nah,
when it comes it'll
02, 2005 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an
advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly
would anyone pay to be a member?
-Mike
Doug Turner wrote:
Hi Mike,
Just
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Nah,
when it comes it'll be from two directions:
The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start
feeling
Hello Walker and all
I would be more than willing to pay and be a member of a group like
this. It's not going to be long before the government or Exxon
tries to get in on the act and we need to be prepared.
We've been foreseeing it for six years at least, and we've already
seen such moves in
.
America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me.
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From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM
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There are two types
JN" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM
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There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All
registered fuel Sellers are required t
, and get right back to
it when i get home.
America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me.
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Joe Street wrote:
Why not just add some of the dye yourself ..doh!
Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO,
K1), not in the stuff that's taxed. So adding dye would be a way of
saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had.
--- David
Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed.
So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using
taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could
be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then?
Joe
David Miller wrote:
Am I wrong?
There is currently no
federal tax on biodiesel made for personal use in the US.
Biodiesel sold at the 400
or so retail outlets in the US is taxed, but not dyed.
There is currently no way
to tell if the biodiesel in a car is homebrewed or was purchased from a retail
outlet.
There's off-road and on-road diesel here in the US
Joe Street wrote:
Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed.
So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using
taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could
be
Joe Street wrote:
Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed.
So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using
taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could
be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then?
I
the idiots at the helm that bother me.
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From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM
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There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State
Several States in the Northwest already add several hundred dollars annual "registration fee" on estimated travel distance for hybrid and electric vehicles.This has been going on for several years. Alan Petrillo wrote: I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint
Actually Kansas has been taxing alternate fuel vehicles for years. Those
who use propane have to pay yearly based on an estimated miles to be driven
and are issued a windshield sticker.
Doug
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I caught a piece of
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There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All
registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and
the State
Nike,
Opinion is a matter of perspective. That is why we have lobbyists. Your,
tongue in cheek comments, on Government efficiency are certainly accurate,
from the perspective of the beneficiaries (wealthy). Mine are written from the
perspective of the overtaxed (poor/ middle class). My
poor/ middle class - then you don't really count. Do you have a lobbyist? How
many congresspeople do you control?
Besides, we're getting off-point. The issue isn't really that the whole world
is against us, we're feeding lives, tax dollars and borrowed money into Iraq at
an unsustainable
If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government
gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap
tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try.
Here in the UK we buy a licence to use our vehicles on public roads, I pay
about
I dont know the stuation in as an example i want to talk about the tax plans on biofuel in Turkey.
I dont know the tax rates in outher countries but we pay about 65 of 100 as tax for buying normal fuels. Because of this biodiesel production is a profitable production.
this causes an unfair
There are major costs besides road maintenance and building, such as
health costs of pollution medical (National Health Service) and other
costs related to accidents, costs of policing. Back in the late 80's
Pollution Probe in Toronto published a study The Costs of the Car
which estimted that
Yeah! The we could give the oil industry the money the need to find
more oil.
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There are major costs besides road maintenance and building, such as
health costs of pollution medical (National Health Service) and other
costs related to accidents, costs of policing. Back
Great discussion threads. I find myself drawn in without restraint.
IMO, the largest problem facing us via government isn't reactive governing, its
waste (politically attractive) and vote buying (democracy).
While the case can be made for higher Government revenue requiremnts, it is
You're using the wrong metrics. The US government works perfectly
well. It transfers money from the poor to the wealthy, and quite well I
might add, so I don't buy your not efficient argument. Just look at the
recent energy bill. Look at the Halliburton contracts. This is a very
There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All
registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and
the State they sell fuel in. They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow for
on road fuel Red for off road. I think all gasoline is taxed and not
dyed. ( I think
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