Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
Kieth: How nice of you to post (see below) the accurate remarks of mine. As you can see, it says MANY urchins on this site. It does not say ALL on this site are urchins. I have respect for those who strive to make this site productive and you tops the list. It is unfortunate that in your earnestness you have inadvertently included yourself in that list of many urchins. You even took step to include others in the list! When I say urchins in this site, it does not mean all of those who come on this site are urchins. Sure those who concentrate on arguing on personal issues are urchins. Of course, personal attacks do appear frequently in this site. So, I openly said there are some urchins here. If we are matured people, we should not waste our time ( and others time) on personal attacks! We all are interested to see BD issues discussed and we are here to learn from those who know things (BD) better than us. Is it not a waste of time and efforts to attack one another on personal basis? I called such people urchins. I did not mean they are bad, but just urchins who do not know how they are wasting their (and others') time and energy. They are just like inexperienced kids! That is all to it! Now, I prefer not to fall into the same trap. Instead, let me go along learning more about BD from other ones who are NOT urchins in this site (the ones who are learned and experienced ones). Hope this makes those who are not urchins in this site happy. If anyone in this site feels that he or she falls into the category of learned ones, then, my observation does not apply to them, and so, they should not be concerned and hence, they would ignore useless things and get along with their productive work. On the other hand, if any one feels my observations and remarks directly apply to their activities, then, is it not time for them to look into themselves? I decide NOT to waste other peoples' time any more. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: Shukrainternationals Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks chandra_the_good wrote, getting it all wrong as usual: On the lighter side of the issue though: Once, by mistake, I placed a statement (below) on this site (while trying to send it to a friend of mine privately): It said, you know, Tom, this site is crowed with urchins, so, don't worry. Now, I feel was not wrong after all!! :). Now, again, this on the lighter side of life please :) - It means 'smile'. First it wasn't this site (list), it was the Biofuels-biz list. Second, you've misquoted yourself - this is what you said: Tom: I see a response from David Teal to your posting on the web. I suggest you just ignore it and continue with our project. As I said, these are many urchins on that web site and we should try to stay above them. -Chandra This was in response to several posts that questioned an original post which that person (Tom) subsequently withdrew, with apologies. Your urchins, which included me and others along with David Teal, have all contributed a great deal to the biofuels movement, whereas if you've contributed anything at all except snide comments that you then slide away from when challenged, and requests for other people to do your homework for you, it's remarkably invisible. At the time, all concerned refrained from stirring the issue up any further by challenging you over this as you deserved. They showed restraint - unlike you, here and now. Typical chandra_the_good, pretending to be promoting peace, sweetness and light and pouring oil on troubled waters, but in fact just insulting people, and the whole list, and trying to stir it up. You just don't realise how transparent you are, Chandra, but everyone else can see it. I know that because many of them tell me so off-list. So, no sliding away this time, explain yourself please. Response required, on-list, and make it snappy. Keith Addison Moderator - Original Message - From: Tee To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks Sad what this list has come too. Name calling and put downs the tools of small minded people. The article is being reported by many sources and if you feel it needs to be debunked. Then by all means have at it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
Chandra Kieth: How nice of you to post (see below) the accurate remarks of mine. As you can see, it says MANY urchins on this site. It does not say ALL on this site are urchins. I have respect for those who strive to make this site productive and you tops the list. It is unfortunate that in your earnestness you have inadvertently included yourself in that list of many urchins. You even took step to include others in the list! It was clear what you meant and who you were directing it at and I have not misinterpreted it. Nor have I misinterpreted your ill-masked intentions in posting it again here now: ... pretending to be promoting peace, sweetness and light and pouring oil on troubled waters, but in fact just insulting people, and the whole list, and trying to stir it up. When I say urchins in this site, it does not mean all of those who come on this site are urchins. Sure those who concentrate on arguing on personal issues are urchins. Of course, personal attacks do appear frequently in this site. So, I openly said there are some urchins here. If we are matured people, we should not waste our time ( and others time) on personal attacks! That depends. I'm attacking you personally right now, and it's because of your consistent behaviour here, not my lack of maturity. And your rationalisations fail to address that. We all are interested to see BD issues discussed and we are here to learn from those who know things (BD) better than us. Is it not a waste of time and efforts to attack one another on personal basis? I called such people urchins. I did not mean they are bad, but just urchins who do not know how they are wasting their (and others') time and energy. They are just like inexperienced kids! That is all to it! No it's not, it's seldom that simple, as indeed in this case that you butted into. I doubt they'll go too far but if they do I'll be the one to stop them, that's my job, not yours. And I don't believe that was your intention. Now, I prefer not to fall into the same trap. You did just that. In fact you leapt into it with some glee, and not for the first time. Instead, let me go along learning more about BD from other ones who are NOT urchins in this site (the ones who are learned and experienced ones). Hope this makes those who are not urchins in this site happy. I doubt anyone will accept your definitions. I certainly don't. If anyone in this site feels that he or she falls into the category of learned ones, then, my observation does not apply to them, and so, they should not be concerned and hence, they would ignore useless things and get along with their productive work. On the other hand, if any one feels my observations and remarks directly apply to their activities, then, is it not time for them to look into themselves? It was time for you to look into yourself, you were called upon to do so and you've failed to do so. I decide NOT to waste other peoples' time any more. You should take that decision seriously Chandra. There might not be a next time. This discussion is now closed. Keith Addison Moderator - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: Shukrainternationals Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks chandra_the_good wrote, getting it all wrong as usual: On the lighter side of the issue though: Once, by mistake, I placed a statement (below) on this site (while trying to send it to a friend of mine privately): It said, you know, Tom, this site is crowed with urchins, so, don't worry. Now, I feel was not wrong after all!! :). Now, again, this on the lighter side of life please :) - It means 'smile'. First it wasn't this site (list), it was the Biofuels-biz list. Second, you've misquoted yourself - this is what you said: Tom: I see a response from David Teal to your posting on the web. I suggest you just ignore it and continue with our project. As I said, these are many urchins on that web site and we should try to stay above them. -Chandra This was in response to several posts that questioned an original post which that person (Tom) subsequently withdrew, with apologies. Your urchins, which included me and others along with David Teal, have all contributed a great deal to the biofuels movement, whereas if you've contributed anything at all except snide comments that you then slide away from when challenged, and requests for other people to do your homework for you, it's remarkably invisible. At the time, all concerned refrained from stirring the issue up any further by challenging you over this as you deserved. They showed restraint - unlike you, here and now. Typical chandra_the_good, pretending to be promoting peace, sweetness and light and pouring oil on troubled waters, but in fact just insulting people, and the whole list, and trying
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:25:31AM -0500, Tee wrote: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks http://www.nationalcenter.org/TSR60502.html DATE: June 5, 2002 BACKGROUND: The Wall Street Journal (1) reported recently that long-haul truck sales have skyrocketed primarily as trucking firms buy new rigs before new anti-pollution rules for diesel engines take effect October 1, 2002. The added cost of the new less polluting engines is estimated to be between $3000 and $5000. In addition, the engines are reported to be less fuel efficient, more costly to maintain and possibly more prone to breakdowns while in use. TEN SECOND RESPONSE: Here's another example of how over-reaching regulation can backfire and have just the opposite effect it intended. Yah, well, we need to look at this in context -- such as the EPA's attempt to stonewall superclean fuel producers like the biodiesel producer they shut down for no real reason. THIRTY SECOND RESPONSE: By trying to impose mandatory changes in diesel engines as of October, EPA pushed the trucking industry to buy trucks before the new rule goes into effect, thus thwarting its intentions. These trucks will stay on the roads for several years before being replaced. Whereas if the market were allowed to work unfettered, consumer demand for cleaner diesel engines would have accomplished the same thing. No, it certainly would not. Where have you been? Are you aware that most automakers (foreign, that is) who sell really neat hi-tech diesel engines refuse to import them to North America because of our very crappy diesel fuel? DISCUSSION: Manufacturers of the diesel engines have reportedly told EPA that they may not be able to produce reliable new engines as required as of October 1, 2002. However, EPA has not yet granted an extension of the timetable and is recommending fines of up to $15,000 per engine sold after Oct. 1 that don't meet the new standard. The new standard set in 1998 would reduce the nitrogen oxide (NOX) emissions from diesel engines by about one-third by 2008, according to EPA. NOX emissions are thought to be one of the major contributors to smog. Gawd, what planet are you from? Manufacturers of the diesel engines like Mercedes, BMW, Peugot, VW, etc. already produce far better engines than the EPA is asking for -- whats wrong with Cummins, Detroit, Catepillar? Oh, sorry, I forgot, they're all in brain dead Amerika. As are you. Get a clue! -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
H, been far longer than the ten second responce -- or the 30 minute. So, cat got your tongue? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
No I don't waste my time. Give your ego a rest. Your not that impressive. At 01:25 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: H, been far longer than the ten second responce -- or the 30 minute. So, cat got your tongue? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:58:35PM -0500, Tee wrote: Sad what this list has come too. Name calling and put downs the tools of small minded people. Who was it started name calling and putdowns? Ego, etc., eh? And what, exactly, is the name calling you're upset about? The article is being reported by many sources and if you feel it needs to be debunked. Then by all means have at it. Gee, I thought that's exactely what I did -- where's your answer? So far all we've seen from you in response is ad hominem attacks -- c'mon address the issue! How long have you been working for the gov't? Geez, we don't have all day here -- even you burrowcrats can answer a straight question, eh? So why is it we don't have clean diesels in the US when they are available all over the rest of the world? Sorry dearie, but you just happened to hit a real pet peeve of mine, seriously -- I'm extremely pissed off by the fact that I can't buy any of those nice, clean, hi-tech diesel engines that VW and Mercedes are selling everywhere else. And why is that? Because scumbag politicians and scumbag propagandist like yourself are lying to the Amerikan public, isn't that right? Let's answer the questions, okay? Why is it that Cummins can't build an engine as good as VW or Mercedes? Is it simply that the scumbag criminals in the gov't haven't paid them enough welfare money? And the wefare suckers in the trucking industry -- didn't they get enough payoffs yet? How about you -- how much do they pay you to delude the public? At 03:02 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:59:52PM -0500, Tee wrote: No I don't waste my time. Give your ego a rest. Your not that impressive. Oh, 'tis not my ego that's the problem here, dearest. But simply that we're all waiting with bated breath to hear the answer. Official propagandists for the USA or (who is it you work for again, deary?) should be able to answer questions, don't you think? C'mon now, you *do* have something better than I don't waste my time or give yur ego a rest, eh? A real answer? At 01:25 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: H, been far longer than the ten second responce -- or the 30 minute. So, cat got your tongue? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
Sad what this list has come too. Name calling and put downs the tools of small minded people. The article is being reported by many sources and if you feel it needs to be debunked. Then by all means have at it. At 03:02 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:59:52PM -0500, Tee wrote: No I don't waste my time. Give your ego a rest. Your not that impressive. Oh, 'tis not my ego that's the problem here, dearest. But simply that we're all waiting with bated breath to hear the answer. Official propagandists for the USA or (who is it you work for again, deary?) should be able to answer questions, don't you think? C'mon now, you *do* have something better than I don't waste my time or give yur ego a rest, eh? A real answer? At 01:25 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: H, been far longer than the ten second responce -- or the 30 minute. So, cat got your tongue? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
On the lighter side of the issue though: Once, by mistake, I placed a statement (below) on this site (while trying to send it to a friend of mine privately): It said, you know, Tom, this site is crowed with urchins, so, don't worry. Now, I feel was not wrong after all!! :). Now, again, this on the lighter side of life please :) - It means 'smile'. - Original Message - From: Tee To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks Sad what this list has come too. Name calling and put downs the tools of small minded people. The article is being reported by many sources and if you feel it needs to be debunked. Then by all means have at it. At 03:02 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:59:52PM -0500, Tee wrote: No I don't waste my time. Give your ego a rest. Your not that impressive. Oh, 'tis not my ego that's the problem here, dearest. But simply that we're all waiting with bated breath to hear the answer. Official propagandists for the USA or (who is it you work for again, deary?) should be able to answer questions, don't you think? C'mon now, you *do* have something better than I don't waste my time or give yur ego a rest, eh? A real answer? At 01:25 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: H, been far longer than the ten second responce -- or the 30 minute. So, cat got your tongue? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
While we're at it, how about a discussion of the sucking trucking industry anyway? Just another one of the big suckers at the public teat, truckers. We always hear a lot of bad press for Amtrack here in the US from the right wing and free market types, but no mention from those same people about all the bigtime public welfare suckers like truckers and farmers. Where would the truckers be without public highways, their tracks? What we really need in this country is to mandate that absolutely no road construction or repair be done anywhere from this point forward unless it's paid for totally 100% by fuel tax. No general funds whatsoever going into highways. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
This goes along the same lines as who should pay for airport security? Me? No. I don't fly. Adding $5 to every ticket won't hurt one thing. --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we really need in this country is to mandate that absolutely no road construction or repair be done anywhere from this point forward unless it's paid for totally 100% by fuel tax. No general funds whatsoever going into highways. = -Martin Klingensmith http://archive.nnytech.net/ http://devzero.ath.cx/ http://www.nnytech.net/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
