Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale question

[Jim Leonard]

"Lee K. Seitz" wrote:
> 
> Also, is there not an official page for the MobyScale at
> MobyGames.com?  I can't find one and Google returns the ones at YOIS
> and GOTCHA.

Yep:  http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale  Is this link not in the version
you have?  If not, it may not be the most current.

As to the other questions, I'll chime in when I get some time.
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Re: [SWCollect] Found Empire, but still need it (and Fire-Brigade note)

[Lee K. Seitz]

Hugh Falk stated:
>
>So you're looking for the original Empire for the PC?  I never played the PC
>version (just ST and Amiga).  I can't imagine playing that game without a
>mouse, and I don't think they would have included mouse support for an IBM
>game in 1987, did they?

I don't recall, although Jim's MobyGames entry says it didn't.  I have
a vague recollection of being able to use function keys to scroll the
map and everything had a keyboard shortcut, IIRC, so it wasn't too
unwieldy.

>You might also want to pick up Empire II:  The Art of War. This is a Win 95
>game from New World Computing.

Feh.  I bought Empire II at a dollar store some years ago.  Played it,
didn't like it, included it with a second copy of Empire Deluxe I'd
found and sold on eBay.  I think it's the exploration aspect that
appeals to me most.  Empire II lacked that.

Incidentally, the guy I sold ED to was working on a version for the
Palm.  Last I heard it had become a project to create a general
strategy war game that you could tailor to your desires.  I'm probably
about due to e-mail him asking for a status again.

>  FYI, there is also a scenerio disk (sold
>seperately) for the Master's Edition, which you have.

There is???  Are you sure?  I know there was a Scenario disk for
Empire Deluxe that was sold separately, but it's included on the
Masters Edition CD-ROM (along with the DOS and Windows versions of
ED).  I've never heard of an additional Scenario disk beyond that.

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[John Romero]

Oh, another thing: y'all probably didn't know that I wrote InfoDOS,
Infocom's DOS for Zork Zero and a few of their other games ;)

- John
 


> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Chisarick [mailto:junk6@;bellatlantic.net] 
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
> 
> 
>   John, if you don't mind yet another question your 
> way... classic game copy protection is one of those perverse 
> fascinations of mine. Some of them (Nassir's 4+4 encoded, 
> spiral quarter-tracked, self-modifying 
> loader-that-sits-on-video-memory with a nibble-count
> mess) were just unreal.  Mercifully, most schemes were 
> home-grown almost-DOS 3.3 variants.  When writing games that 
> integrated with copy protection, what considerations did you 
> have to make?  Was development done w/the protection in mind, 
> or was it normal file-based code until it was ready for 
> commercial release?  


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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[John Romero]

Back then, most games filled up all available memory and rarely ever did
they have to load from disk, so most games back then were NOT keeping
protection in mind.  It was a very easy thing to tack on, though,
because what would usually happen is the guy in charge of protection
would get the game file, then break that up into various pieces himself
and write a bootstrap loader that loaded a chunk of game in at a time,
then loaded a chunk of loader for the next piece, then executed the
loader chunk to load the next piece, etc.  Usually they would only have
a 256-byte loader (trk 0, sector 0) that would load in the first loader,
which was usually the place where they pulled various tricks to hide the
loader code.

Sometimes they would load in a piece of code that loaded in at the end
of the stack ($100+), over the input buffer ($200+) then when it was
done do an RTS which would go to the address that was stored at
$1FE-1FF, which ended up being the start of the next loader chunk... It
was pretty crazy.

I believe Tom McWilliams did most of Sirius' copy protection and he used
the little ship graphic from Gorgon while loading the rest of the
game.it definitely made it look like Nasir did the protection
himself, but I don't think he did.  I could definitely verify this for a
fact if you "need to know".

BTW, did you know that Ultima II's release was held up because Mark
Duchaineau didn't want to protect it with his normal code (he wanted to
use his new SpiraTrack scheme) and Sierra was *locked* in to using his
protection code.???

- John
 


> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Chisarick [mailto:junk6@;bellatlantic.net] 
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
> 
> 
>   BTW I have all 89 issues of Computist + the four errata 
> issues. The Super IOB images are on Asimov.  Mail me if 
> you're interested in any sort of info, etc.  I'm not great, 
> but I've normalized a good stack that weren't in any of those issues.
> 
>   John, if you don't mind yet another question your 
> way... classic game copy protection is one of those perverse 
> fascinations of mine. Some of them (Nassir's 4+4 encoded, 
> spiral quarter-tracked, self-modifying 
> loader-that-sits-on-video-memory with a nibble-count
> mess) were just unreal.  Mercifully, most schemes were 
> home-grown almost-DOS 3.3 variants.  When writing games that 
> integrated with copy protection, what considerations did you 
> have to make?  Was development done w/the protection in mind, 
> or was it normal file-based code until it was ready for 
> commercial release?  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward Franks [mailto:xyzzy@;kc.rr.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 09:36  PM, C.E. Forman wrote: [Snip]
> > I've been thinking about this... and wouldn't it be safer 
> to play off 
> > backup copies?  I mean, the disk could get munched in the 
> drive, the 
> > label could
> > get scratched going in and out... or is that attitude too 
> anal for the
> 
> > rest
> > of this group?  B-)
> 
>   If you can make backup copies.  Grrr.  Magazines like 
> The Computist 
> can be invaluable if you just want to make your legal backups.
> 
> -- 
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RE: [SWCollect] Floppy Disk Numbers

[John Romero]

Okay guys,

If you want a signed copy of Wasteland, send it to:

Coresoft Inc.
attn: Alan Pavlish
23232 Peralta Dr. Suite 112
Laguna Hills, CA 92653

Tell 'em I sent ya!  Oh, and MAKE SURE you include a stamped & addressed
box to send it back in so he has pretty much *no work* to do to get it
back to you.

- John
 


> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Chisarick [mailto:junk6@;bellatlantic.net] 
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:49 PM
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> Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Floppy Disk Numbers
> 
> 
>   I've seent them before, but they're not on all disks 
> (just looked at my "Tangled Tales".  Nada.).  My guess is 
> they're manufacturer-specific and that there are no rules for 
> interpreting them. My $0.02.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: C.E. Forman [mailto:ceforman@;earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:34 PM
> To: Software Collectibles Mailing List
> Subject: [SWCollect] Floppy Disk Numbers
> 
> 
> Hey gang,
> 
> Anyone know what the number is that's on the back of all 
> 5-1/4" disks (bottom right corner)?  One of the Eyal Katz 
> buyers thought maybe it could be used to determine the age of 
> a disk or where it came from.
> 
> 
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RE: [SWCollect] Found Empire, but still need it (and Fire-Brigade note)

[Hugh Falk]

So you're looking for the original Empire for the PC?  I never played the PC
version (just ST and Amiga).  I can't imagine playing that game without a
mouse, and I don't think they would have included mouse support for an IBM
game in 1987, did they?

You might also want to pick up Empire II:  The Art of War. This is a Win 95
game from New World Computing.  FYI, there is also a scenerio disk (sold
seperately) for the Master's Edition, which you have.

Hugh

-Original Message-
From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:lkseitz@;mail.hiwaay.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:59 PM
To: Software Collecting
Subject: [SWCollect] Found Empire, but still need it (and Fire-Brigade
note)


Argh!  Went to a thrift store and found a copy of Empire.  Got someone
to show it to me (it was in a display case) and it was for the Amiga.
I bought anyway, even though I shouldn't be spending money on such
things.  This is my second copy of Empire.  The other is for the C-64.

I was introduced to this game in college.  I spent the week of spring
break painstakingly creating a map of North America.  (My car was in
the shop, so I was trapped on campus with nothing else to do.)  I
still have my copies of Empire Deluxe and ED Scenarios that I bought
new.  I was thrilled when I found a copy of ED Masters Edition at a
used CD store and got it for less than $10 (IIRC).  I never new it
existed until then.  It was nice to have a version that would run
under Windows with only one minor problem.  (The DOS version runs, but
bad things happen if you try to Alt-Tab away from it and come back.)

Why can't I find a friggin' copy of the PC version?!?  Okay, I admit
I haven't been looking real hard.  (As in, I'm not watching eBay.)
But in doing so I've found two copies, just not for the right
computer.  Anyone want to trade a PC copy for an Amiga or C-64 one?
(BTW, Jim, thanks for finally adding it to MobyGames.  I somehow
missed it when you did that.)

Also saw an interesting game called Fire-Brigade.  I see the company
that made it is still around (http://www.panthergames.com/).  Anyway,
the game was for the PC and came in a case similar to the clamshells
that Disney videos come in.  Everything seemed to be there, except the
3.5" disk(s?).  (The 5.25" disks were there.)  Panther Games is an
Australian company, so I don't know if this packaging is typical of
Australian games, or if it was sold in the U.S. like this or what.  I
almost bought it, but decided I'd already overspent just getting
Empire.  Anyone intersted in it?

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Dan Chisarick]

BTW I have all 89 issues of Computist + the four errata issues.
The Super IOB images are on Asimov.  Mail me if you're interested in any
sort of info, etc.  I'm not great, but I've normalized a good stack that
weren't in any of those issues.

John, if you don't mind yet another question your way... classic
game copy protection is one of those perverse fascinations of mine.
Some of them (Nassir's 4+4 encoded, spiral quarter-tracked,
self-modifying loader-that-sits-on-video-memory with a nibble-count
mess) were just unreal.  Mercifully, most schemes were home-grown
almost-DOS 3.3 variants.  When writing games that integrated with copy
protection, what considerations did you have to make?  Was development
done w/the protection in mind, or was it normal file-based code until it
was ready for commercial release?  


-Original Message-
From: Edward Franks [mailto:xyzzy@;kc.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?



On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 09:36  PM, C.E. Forman wrote: [Snip]
> I've been thinking about this... and wouldn't it be safer to play off
> backup
> copies?  I mean, the disk could get munched in the drive, the label 
> could
> get scratched going in and out... or is that attitude too anal for the

> rest
> of this group?  B-)

If you can make backup copies.  Grrr.  Magazines like The
Computist 
can be invaluable if you just want to make your legal backups.

-- 

Edward Franks
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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Dan Chisarick]

No level skip keys, but you could load the hidden game (go to
the tactical view and hit CTRL+G.  It has a mini-version of "Space
Invaders").  Nice touch :)  Only other way I can think of is to compare
disk images.


-Original Message-
From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:lkseitz@;mail.hiwaay.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?


Dan Chisarick stated:
>
>   Mega off-topic: There are emulators for PDA's... so where are
the 
>joysticks?  Who wants to abuse the integrated buttons for those things,

>anyway? :)  I guess its called the "external keyboard".  Sigh.

>   Back on topic: Add "Rescue Raiders" to the list of gems.  I
never 
>thought I'd get that, let alone a "Demo copy" (used the cheat 
>keys/level skip keys... all the levels are intact.  Demo copies of some

>titles are incomplete, some are full copies w/a DEMO sticker on them. 
>This seems to be the latter.)

Guess I should read ahead before posting.  Okay, so how can I tell if my
copy of Skyfox (for the Apple II, BTW) is a full copy or not?  I don't
have any other copies to compare it against.  Any cheat keys I should
try?

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RE: [SWCollect] Floppy Disk Numbers

[Dan Chisarick]

I've seent them before, but they're not on all disks (just
looked at my "Tangled Tales".  Nada.).  My guess is they're
manufacturer-specific and that there are no rules for interpreting them.
My $0.02.


-Original Message-
From: C.E. Forman [mailto:ceforman@;earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:34 PM
To: Software Collectibles Mailing List
Subject: [SWCollect] Floppy Disk Numbers


Hey gang,

Anyone know what the number is that's on the back of all 5-1/4" disks
(bottom right corner)?  One of the Eyal Katz buyers thought maybe it
could be used to determine the age of a disk or where it came from.



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[SWCollect] Floppy Disk Numbers

[C.E. Forman]

Hey gang,

Anyone know what the number is that's on the back of all 5-1/4" disks
(bottom right corner)?  One of the Eyal Katz buyers thought maybe it could
be used to determine the age of a disk or where it came from.



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RE: RE: [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?

[Origin Museum]

Hmmm...don't know why you couldn't get to it...you can still get there from my website:
http:originmuseum.solsector.net

..it's in the 'STORIES' section

> "Hugh Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: [SWCollect] 
>What's your favorite find?Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:44:48 -0800
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Welcome aboard, Joe!  Haven't heard from you in a while.  By the way, I
>couldn't link to your story below.
>
>Hugh
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Origin Museum [mailto:originmuseum@;crius.net]
>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:25 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?
>
>
>Sorry to start a new thread here, but I've got some catching up to do! :)
>
>Here are some of my favorite finds:
>
>1.  Lord British Starter Kit--Akalabeth and Ultima 1 sold together by
>California Pacific--still in the original baggie (also the most I ever paid
>for a title--$1,200.00 in a bundle w/about 20 other worthless titles--does
>this price set some kind of record?)
>
>2.  2 original release Akalabeths--please see my article for detailed
>information.  http://originmuseum.solsector.net/stories/story1.htm
>
>3.  Caverns of Callisto--Just because it's caused more buzzing from
>collectors recently--it wasn't that hard for me to find! :)
>
>4.  Savage Empire Special Edition-autographed (WITH the T-Shirt)
>
>5.  Ultima 1 for Atari 400/800-(breathes a sigh of relief after checking for
>counterfieiting!--Thanks for your diligence, guys!)
>
>
>6.  The Origin Audio CD-Volume 1--Not really a software title, but very hard
>to find.  I found this in a used software store, and bought it for 5 BUCKS!
>
>LOADS of other stuff!--after re-reading this, I can't seem to decide on any
>1 find...
>
>
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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[C.E. Forman]

> Yes!  I have mint copies of these two as well.  Man, I am pretty loaded
> with Synergistic Software. :)

Got "Warlock's Revenge"?



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[SWCollect] Found Empire, but still need it (and Fire-Brigade note)

[Lee K. Seitz]

Argh!  Went to a thrift store and found a copy of Empire.  Got someone
to show it to me (it was in a display case) and it was for the Amiga.
I bought anyway, even though I shouldn't be spending money on such
things.  This is my second copy of Empire.  The other is for the C-64. 

I was introduced to this game in college.  I spent the week of spring
break painstakingly creating a map of North America.  (My car was in
the shop, so I was trapped on campus with nothing else to do.)  I
still have my copies of Empire Deluxe and ED Scenarios that I bought
new.  I was thrilled when I found a copy of ED Masters Edition at a
used CD store and got it for less than $10 (IIRC).  I never new it
existed until then.  It was nice to have a version that would run
under Windows with only one minor problem.  (The DOS version runs, but
bad things happen if you try to Alt-Tab away from it and come back.)

Why can't I find a friggin' copy of the PC version?!?  Okay, I admit
I haven't been looking real hard.  (As in, I'm not watching eBay.) 
But in doing so I've found two copies, just not for the right
computer.  Anyone want to trade a PC copy for an Amiga or C-64 one?
(BTW, Jim, thanks for finally adding it to MobyGames.  I somehow
missed it when you did that.)

Also saw an interesting game called Fire-Brigade.  I see the company
that made it is still around (http://www.panthergames.com/).  Anyway,
the game was for the PC and came in a case similar to the clamshells
that Disney videos come in.  Everything seemed to be there, except the
3.5" disk(s?).  (The 5.25" disks were there.)  Panther Games is an
Australian company, so I don't know if this packaging is typical of
Australian games, or if it was sold in the U.S. like this or what.  I
almost bought it, but decided I'd already overspent just getting
Empire.  Anyone intersted in it?

-- 
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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Hugh Falk]

I've met a lot of collectors in the game development ranks.  Which makes
sense since a lot of developers get into games because they're passionate
about them.  Though I've found very few as serious about it as us.  Also, I
generally run into console (2600, Colecovision) collectors.  Steve Meretzky
was the only serious PC game collector I met.  I know one with an incredible
pinball game collection as well.

Hugh

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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?



On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 11:38  PM, Hugh Falk wrote:
[Snip]
> That reminds me of another good poll for you guys.  I mentioned some
> of the
> best games I got for free.  But I'd be curious...what is the most you
> paid
> for a single game?  I don't want to know about a group of games...just
> one
> game.

The most I've actually paid for a game -- I've bid higher, but not won
the auction -- was ~$675 for an orange castle coversheet Akalabeth.
(:chuckle:  I needed the coversheet as those are what I'm missing from
my other Akalabeth and my Ultima.)  For me, the interesting thing is
that the seller was one of the programmers for Arena and Daggerfall.
It is cool to see that the people who develop the games are as serious
collectors as us.

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Hugh Falk]

It sounds like we could get a lot of autographs between the two of us.  I
could just about throw an EA Flat at Mike Abbott's office (Hard Hat Mack)
from where I sit.  If anybody wants an autograph, let me know, I don't think
he'd mind.

John,  I'd actually like a Ray Tobey autographed Skyfox if its not too much
of a hassle.  (I'd have to dig a copy out, but I think I know where that one
is).  Wastland would be great as well.  Let me know if it's not too much
trouble.


Hugh

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> That reminds me, I've got a copy of Skyfox that has
> rectangular, yellow stickers with red text reading "DEMO COPY
> / line / NOT FOR RESALE" on it.  There's one on the front,
> one that was apparently holding the folio closed, and another
> on the disk.  (The reference card is missing.)  Anyone know
> the origin of these stickers?  Was it a pre-release, a copy
> for review, a copy for a store to load on a computer for
> customers to try, or something else?

Hey, if you want Ray Tobey to sign your Skyfox, I could probably arrange
that, too. ;)

- John



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RE: [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?

[Hugh Falk]

Welcome aboard, Joe!  Haven't heard from you in a while.  By the way, I
couldn't link to your story below.

Hugh

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Sorry to start a new thread here, but I've got some catching up to do! :)

Here are some of my favorite finds:

1.  Lord British Starter Kit--Akalabeth and Ultima 1 sold together by
California Pacific--still in the original baggie (also the most I ever paid
for a title--$1,200.00 in a bundle w/about 20 other worthless titles--does
this price set some kind of record?)

2.  2 original release Akalabeths--please see my article for detailed
information.  http://originmuseum.solsector.net/stories/story1.htm

3.  Caverns of Callisto--Just because it's caused more buzzing from
collectors recently--it wasn't that hard for me to find! :)

4.  Savage Empire Special Edition-autographed (WITH the T-Shirt)

5.  Ultima 1 for Atari 400/800-(breathes a sigh of relief after checking for
counterfieiting!--Thanks for your diligence, guys!)


6.  The Origin Audio CD-Volume 1--Not really a software title, but very hard
to find.  I found this in a used software store, and bought it for 5 BUCKS!

LOADS of other stuff!--after re-reading this, I can't seem to decide on any
1 find...


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Re: [SWCollect] [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 02:27  PM, Alexander Zoller wrote:
[Snip]

o, it was a European release by Microprose. They used to distribute
Origin's games in sturdy, small-sized, two-piece cardboard boxes (same
measurements as the Rainbird blue boxes -- a bunch of Level 9 and 
Magnetic
Scrolls titles came in these). For some inscrutable reason, they took 
the
same box type for the Trilogy again but used an additional slipcase,
leaving the box halfs plain and white. It has been speculated this 
happened
right before their "joint venture" with Origin ended (the license was
turned over to Mindscape), and they may have been pressed for time. 
This
seems to be confirmed by the fact that instead of printing a 
custom-sized
manual for this release, they simply 'trimmed' the Trilogy's manual by
about an inch so it would fit in the box.

	Ah, that sounds like my CPC Progame version of Ultima.  My Japanese 
version only differs from the regular version by the addition of a 
cheap photocopy of the manual that was partially written in Japanese 
Kanji (?).

I can email you some pics. Also of the US Gold U3 if interested.


	I'd like to see those.  I always thought that the US Gold box for U4 
was one of the best.

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Re: [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 02:24  PM, Origin Museum wrote:
[Snip]

1.  Lord British Starter Kit--Akalabeth and Ultima 1 sold together by 
California Pacific--still in the original baggie (also the most I ever 
paid for a title--$1,200.00 in a bundle w/about 20 other worthless 
titles--does this price set some kind of record?)

	I don't believe so, not for an Ultima-related title.  I vaguely 
remember someone complaining about snipers on Usenet after they lost an 
Ultima around $1,500.  I could be wrong on that one, though.  I do know 
that a shrinkwrapped Starcross saucer went for $2,000 on eBay.

	Oh, by the way, I got the $250 figure from a gentlemen who was at the 
UO Faire where that Akalabeth was auctioned.  Normally he is reliable 
about such things.

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[SWCollect] What's your favorite find?

[Origin Museum]

Sorry to start a new thread here, but I've got some catching up to do! :)

Here are some of my favorite finds:

1.  Lord British Starter Kit--Akalabeth and Ultima 1 sold together by California 
Pacific--still in the original baggie (also the most I ever paid for a 
title--$1,200.00 in a bundle w/about 20 other worthless titles--does this price set 
some kind of record?)

2.  2 original release Akalabeths--please see my article for detailed information.  
http://originmuseum.solsector.net/stories/story1.htm

3.  Caverns of Callisto--Just because it's caused more buzzing from collectors 
recently--it wasn't that hard for me to find! :)

4.  Savage Empire Special Edition-autographed (WITH the T-Shirt)

5.  Ultima 1 for Atari 400/800-(breathes a sigh of relief after checking for 
counterfieiting!--Thanks for your diligence, guys!)


6.  The Origin Audio CD-Volume 1--Not really a software title, but very hard to find.  
I found this in a used software store, and bought it for 5 BUCKS!

LOADS of other stuff!--after re-reading this, I can't seem to decide on any 1 find...


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Re: [SWCollect] [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?

[Alexander Zoller]

>   Was this a US version?

No, it was a European release by Microprose. They used to distribute
Origin's games in sturdy, small-sized, two-piece cardboard boxes (same
measurements as the Rainbird blue boxes -- a bunch of Level 9 and Magnetic
Scrolls titles came in these). For some inscrutable reason, they took the
same box type for the Trilogy again but used an additional slipcase,
leaving the box halfs plain and white. It has been speculated this happened
right before their "joint venture" with Origin ended (the license was
turned over to Mindscape), and they may have been pressed for time. This
seems to be confirmed by the fact that instead of printing a custom-sized
manual for this release, they simply 'trimmed' the Trilogy's manual by
about an inch so it would fit in the box.

I can email you some pics. Also of the US Gold U3 if interested.

/Alexander


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On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 06:36  AM, Alexander Zoller wrote:
[Snip]
> Favorite finds: items previously believed to NOT exist. Ultima III by
> US
> Gold, for example, or the slipcased Ultima Trilogy.

Was this a US version?

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 01:33  PM, Chris Newman wrote:


But isn't the 50-year marker the rule of Public Domain? What did Disney
do to tighten the restriction? Surely the rule pre-dates the 30s, when
Disney was on its way to becoming  a stable company?


	See  
  
for details.  Basically, 20 year old software won't be in the public  
domain for another 75 years.

	The US Supreme Court is deliberating on this law, but who knows what  
they'll decide?  Especially since it involves some of our treaty  
obligations.

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[SWCollect] Greetings from The Origin Museum

[Origin Museum]

I was told about this board some time ago, but I finally got the time to join--YAY!

I know most of the people here, but for those who don't remember me, I'm Joe Garrity, 
and I (along with my wife, Paula) run a website called The Origin Museum.  We 
specialise in old computer games and artifacts from Origin.  Our domain name was 
hijacked a few days ago (while I was on vacation), but we're still available thru this 
link:

http://originmuseum.solsector.net

Almost all of the people that I see on this board have been incredibly nice to us in 
the past, and I'd like to take this time to personally thank them for all the help, 
conversations, and fun that you've given Paula and me.

Thanks for letting us contribute to the board, and we hope to hear from you very soon!

"...Preserving Worlds"
Joe Garrity
Curator of The Origin Museum
http://originmuseum.solsector.net

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Re: [SWCollect] Time for my introduction

[Edward Franks]

On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 10:43  AM, Lee K. Seitz wrote:
[Snip]

Yeah, well ask my how many copies of Space Invaders or Missile Command
I have for the Atari 2600 and plan to keep.  (They're label
variations.)


	Ah. the 2600.  :-D  I keep one around to occasionally play Adventure.  
I bought the Sears version of both when they first came out with the 
money I had earned that summer.  My brother and I spent all night 
playing Adventure and the other games we bought.  The funny thing was 
that we found the easter egg 'dot' that night, but never realized what 
it was for until many years later!

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Re: [SWCollect] [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 06:36  AM, Alexander Zoller wrote:
[Snip]

Favorite finds: items previously believed to NOT exist. Ultima III by 
US
Gold, for example, or the slipcased Ultima Trilogy.

	Was this a US version?

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 12:04  AM, John Romero wrote:


	Hmm.  Now I have an urge to go find Dungeon Campaign and

Wilderness

Campaign...


Yes!  I have mint copies of these two as well.  Man, I am pretty loaded
with Synergistic Software. :)


	Why do I have the feeling that the list of games you want, but don't 
have is pretty small?  ;-)  Is there anything in particular that you're 
still looking for?

	On a more general note, I'd love to see everyone's collections some 
time.  I feel like a dilettante compared to the rest of you.  

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 11:38  PM, Hugh Falk wrote:
[Snip]

That reminds me of another good poll for you guys.  I mentioned some 
of the
best games I got for free.  But I'd be curious...what is the most you 
paid
for a single game?  I don't want to know about a group of games...just 
one
game.

	The most I've actually paid for a game -- I've bid higher, but not won 
the auction -- was ~$675 for an orange castle coversheet Akalabeth.  
(:chuckle:  I needed the coversheet as those are what I'm missing from 
my other Akalabeth and my Ultima.)  For me, the interesting thing is 
that the seller was one of the programmers for Arena and Daggerfall.  
It is cool to see that the people who develop the games are as serious 
collectors as us.

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Chris Newman]

But isn't the 50-year marker the rule of Public Domain? What did Disney
do to tighten the restriction? Surely the rule pre-dates the 30s, when
Disney was on its way to becoming  a stable company?

Edward Franks wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 11:20  PM, Hugh Falk wrote:
> [Snip]
> > Now here's a question.  If you own the 20-year-old original, is buying
> > 20-year-old copies (likely pirated 20 years ago) still pirating? :-)
> 
> Yes.  ;-)
> 
> Assuming that the copyright holder hasn't given permission for people
> to copy the game -- such as what Dr. Cat did with his Caverns of
> Freitag -- then it is protected for at least 50 more years.  You can
> thank Sonny Bono and Disney for this state of affairs in the US.  :-/
> 
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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 11:20  PM, Hugh Falk wrote:
[Snip]

Now here's a question.  If you own the 20-year-old original, is buying
20-year-old copies (likely pirated 20 years ago) still pirating? :-)


	Yes.  ;-)

	Assuming that the copyright holder hasn't given permission for people 
to copy the game -- such as what Dr. Cat did with his Caverns of 
Freitag -- then it is protected for at least 50 more years.  You can 
thank Sonny Bono and Disney for this state of affairs in the US.  :-/

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[hughfalk]

The ones we got were consistantly full copies...never modified, except for the
sticker to prevent the reseller from making money on it.

Hugh

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:25:18 -0600 (CST) "Lee K. Seitz"
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> Dan Chisarick stated:
> >
> > Mega off-topic: There are emulators for
> PDA's... so where are
> >the joysticks?  Who wants to abuse the
> integrated buttons for those
> >things, anyway? :)  I guess its called the
> "external keyboard".  Sigh.
> 
> > Back on topic: Add "Rescue Raiders" to the
> list of gems.  I
> >never thought I'd get that, let alone a "Demo
> copy" (used the cheat
> >keys/level skip keys... all the levels are
> intact.  Demo copies of some
> >titles are incomplete, some are full copies
> w/a DEMO sticker on them.
> >This seems to be the latter.)
> 
> Guess I should read ahead before posting. 
> Okay, so how can I tell if
> my copy of Skyfox (for the Apple II, BTW) is a
> full copy or not?  I
> don't have any other copies to compare it
> against.  Any cheat keys I
> should try?
> 
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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 10:32  PM, Dan Chisarick wrote:
[Snip]

	Mega off-topic: There are emulators for PDA's... so where are
the joysticks?  Who wants to abuse the integrated buttons for those
things, anyway? :)  I guess its called the "external keyboard".  Sigh.


	Sony has a game pad you can connect to their Clie PDAs if you want a 
PalmOS device.  

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[hughfalk]

In high school and college, I worked in video-game retail throughout the
mid-to-late 80s (at an Atari/Commodore/Apple store and later at EB).  We would
get demo copies just like you describe for store display.  However, they
probably could have been used for any of the purposes you mention.

Hugh  

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:21:06 -0600 (CST) "Lee K. Seitz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dan Chisarick stated:
> >
> > I spent about 22+ months tracking down every
> last EA title
> >(complete) made for the Apple ][ (flat, box,
> game, utility, app, etc.)
> >Of those by far the most satisfying to find:
> Marble Madness, Realm of
> >Impossibility, One-on-One, Arctic Fox,
> Adventure Construction Set.  Hugh
> >is a tiny god for providing the EA Flatpack
> reference online :)
> 
> That reminds me, I've got a copy of Skyfox that
> has rectangular,
> yellow stickers with red text reading "DEMO
> COPY / line / NOT FOR
> RESALE" on it.  There's one on the front, one
> that was apparently
> holding the folio closed, and another on the
> disk.  (The reference
> card is missing.)  Anyone know the origin of
> these stickers?  Was it a
> pre-release, a copy for review, a copy for a
> store to load on a
> computer for customers to try, or something
> else?
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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 09:36  PM, C.E. Forman wrote:
[Snip]

I've been thinking about this... and wouldn't it be safer to play off 
backup
copies?  I mean, the disk could get munched in the drive, the label 
could
get scratched going in and out... or is that attitude too anal for the 
rest
of this group?  B-)

	If you can make backup copies.  Grrr.  Magazines like The Computist 
can be invaluable if you just want to make your legal backups.

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[John Romero]

> That reminds me, I've got a copy of Skyfox that has 
> rectangular, yellow stickers with red text reading "DEMO COPY 
> / line / NOT FOR RESALE" on it.  There's one on the front, 
> one that was apparently holding the folio closed, and another 
> on the disk.  (The reference card is missing.)  Anyone know 
> the origin of these stickers?  Was it a pre-release, a copy 
> for review, a copy for a store to load on a computer for 
> customers to try, or something else?

Hey, if you want Ray Tobey to sign your Skyfox, I could probably arrange
that, too. ;)

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Edward Franks]

On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 12:24  PM, Hugh Falk wrote:
[Snip]

I also collect AH games.  My list is here:
http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/avalonhill.htm (no history section 
for
AH yet...need to get to that).  For some reason AH games are not very
desirable on ebay (with only a few exceptions like Telengard).  AH was 
one
of the most prolific publishers of the early 80's, but I guess their
products overlapped and were just overshadowed by SSI.

	I think part of the problem with AH is that their board sport games 
and wargames overshadowed the computer games in the company.  They had 
moved more to publisher role by that time unlike SPI which designed and 
developed almost all of their wargames in house.

	The other thing that might of counted against AH is that while their 
wargames got the premier treatment -- it helps to own your own printing 
presses! -- the computer games just didn't compare goodie-wise with an 
Infocom or Origin game.  There were a few exceptions, Empire of the 
Over-Mind comes to mind, but by and large the goodies and the games 
just weren't that exciting.

	Then again, I may be biased.  I still have some of my AH board 
wargames.  :)

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Lee K. Seitz]

Dan Chisarick stated:
>
>   Mega off-topic: There are emulators for PDA's... so where are
>the joysticks?  Who wants to abuse the integrated buttons for those
>things, anyway? :)  I guess its called the "external keyboard".  Sigh.

Drat, forgot my reply to this part in my last post.

There are joysticks for PDAs (e.g.
http://www.tt-tec.com/html/Products/T102.htm), they're just not well
supported by the games due to a lack of standards.

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Lee K. Seitz]

Dan Chisarick stated:
>
>   Mega off-topic: There are emulators for PDA's... so where are
>the joysticks?  Who wants to abuse the integrated buttons for those
>things, anyway? :)  I guess its called the "external keyboard".  Sigh.

>   Back on topic: Add "Rescue Raiders" to the list of gems.  I
>never thought I'd get that, let alone a "Demo copy" (used the cheat
>keys/level skip keys... all the levels are intact.  Demo copies of some
>titles are incomplete, some are full copies w/a DEMO sticker on them.
>This seems to be the latter.)

Guess I should read ahead before posting.  Okay, so how can I tell if
my copy of Skyfox (for the Apple II, BTW) is a full copy or not?  I
don't have any other copies to compare it against.  Any cheat keys I
should try?

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Lee K. Seitz]

Dan Chisarick stated:
>
>   I spent about 22+ months tracking down every last EA title
>(complete) made for the Apple ][ (flat, box, game, utility, app, etc.)
>Of those by far the most satisfying to find: Marble Madness, Realm of
>Impossibility, One-on-One, Arctic Fox, Adventure Construction Set.  Hugh
>is a tiny god for providing the EA Flatpack reference online :)

That reminds me, I've got a copy of Skyfox that has rectangular,
yellow stickers with red text reading "DEMO COPY / line / NOT FOR
RESALE" on it.  There's one on the front, one that was apparently
holding the folio closed, and another on the disk.  (The reference
card is missing.)  Anyone know the origin of these stickers?  Was it a
pre-release, a copy for review, a copy for a store to load on a
computer for customers to try, or something else?

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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Lee K. Seitz]

Hugh Falk stated:
>
>AH was one
>of the most prolific publishers of the early 80's, but I guess their
>products overlapped and were just overshadowed by SSI.

I didn't buy many computer games in the early '80s.  Now that I think
about it, I don't think my family had a computer until about 1983.
And for a long time we only had one floppy disk for each of us because
they were so expensive.  Our entire software collection probably
consisted of AppleWriter, MasterType (my parents' idea), and
Choplifter for a year or so.  But I digress

Anyway, I didn't even know Avalon Hill made computer games until I
found a copy of Andromeda Conquest at a closeout store.  I think it
was probably about $10, which was very cheap for software back then.
Somewhere (hopefully at my parent's house) I still have it and the
box.

>Lee just pointed out an AH game I have to put on my want list...Incunabula.
>Anybody have one for trade or sale?

BTW, Hugh, it occurs to me that it's possible that game only came out
for DOS compuers.  I notice very little of your AH collection is DOS.

>Epyx is another company I heavily collect
>(http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/epyx.htm).  Again, I feel one of the
>most successful (yet underappreciated) publishers of the 80s.

I don't know about most successful, but certainly one of the more
successful publishers.  It's a shame they're gone.

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Hugh Falk]

Sounds reasonable to me...it would go for a lot more today.  Is this for one
of the Computerland versions?  If so, it would definitely go for more.  The
big wildcard is that Richard Garriott seems to be making "new" ones with his
original materials.
I think we already debated the value of those in this group...and it would
probably still go for more.

Hugh

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> That reminds me of another good poll for you guys.  I
> mentioned some of the best games I got for free.  But I'd be
> curious...what is the most you paid for a single game?  I
> don't want to know about a group of games...just one game.

Well, I may have been horribly raped back in 1998, but I paid $800 for
my Akalabeth.
!!!

- John



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Re: [SWCollect] Time for my introduction

[Lee K. Seitz]

Stefan Lindblom stated:
>
>And yes, I have that Trail Map, still in shrink though so I dont know what
>it looks like.. have to get another one perhaps.. someday.

IIRC, it doesn't have much detail.  It's about like the maps in the
books, except a little less obviously made of hex-shaped pieces
(again, IIRC).

Do you have the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES), or maybe Famicom
where you live, I'm not sure, version of DragonStrike?  Far inferior
to the PC version, which I have.  I never managed to finish it,
though.  I'll have to go back and try again someday.

>The sequel to Heroes of the Lance was called Dragons of Flame, same kind of
>"engine"(or lack of one). Both sucked, I agree, dont blame you for selling
>them. I of course have quite a few copies of them but I never said I was
>sane either ;)

Yeah, well ask my how many copies of Space Invaders or Missile Command
I have for the Atari 2600 and plan to keep.  (They're label
variations.)

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Hugh Falk]

:-) JUST A JOKE, OF COURSE! :-)

Hey John, if you wouldn't mind, can you share the highlights of your resume
with the group?  Not so much the games (which a lot of us know), but the
roles you played on the teams.  I didn't know about your time at Origin, for
example.  If this is already well documented somewhere, feel free to send a
link.

Hugh



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> end of the Golden Age of Gaming (by GOTCHA's definition), you
> have to love that gameCarmack sure knows how to make them ;-))
^^^

DO I NEED TO KILL YOU FOR THAT REMARK??!!! ;P~~

- John



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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Pedro Quaresma]

LOL! :D Jim, could you please check if Carmack is a member of this list? ;)

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> end of the Golden Age of Gaming (by GOTCHA's definition), you 
> have to love that gameCarmack sure knows how to make them ;-))
                            ^^^

DO I NEED TO KILL YOU FOR THAT REMARK??!!! ;P~~

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Dan Chisarick]

Grrr... I stumbled on a complete VG/NM (somewhere in there) copy
of "Caverns" for the Atari this year, but the Apple version keeps
slipping away from me.  As before, I'm trying to make disk images off
the originals so I can play them in 20 years (or next weekend.
Whatever.)  The disks have lasted this long.  Based on no scientific
data whatsoever, I'd say 30 years (2x the max shelf life) is probably
the most a disk can be expected to last w/o any special care.
Origin apparently had an internal movement at one point to
re-release all the classics (for the PC at least).  I recall a newsgroup
article by an employee at one point (or so they said) that they were
going to remove the protection, redo the manual (probably as a PDF) and
publish all the goods you can't find anymore (a la "Lost Treasures of
Infocom"), but for free (download).  The first one was supposed to be
"Auto Duel", but the idea was shot down (no suit likes to give away
intellectual property for free and all).  And for Auto Duel I'm sure SJG
(Steve Jackson Games) might have something to say about that too.
So, any of you coveted Apple "Caverns" owners want to let me
borrow it for a week? :) (Raucous laughter subsides).  Didn't think so.

John: swamped w/Wasteland folders yet?


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>   I have all the Apple ][ Origin titles complete (except "Caverns
of Callisto", 
> which I missed for $5 on a newsgroup last year).  These two sets are
by far my most 
> valued, though there are buckets more that I prize as well (mostly
RPG's).

Whoa, nice collection!  I also love collecting Origin titles; they were
one of my favorite game companies (which is also why I loved working for
them in the 80's!)

I have a mint Caverns of Callisto...heh... ;)

- John
 


> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Chisarick [mailto:junk6@;bellatlantic.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
> 
> 
>   I spent about 22+ months tracking down every last EA title
> (complete) made for the Apple ][ (flat, box, game, utility,
> app, etc.) Of those by far the most satisfying to find: 
> Marble Madness, Realm of Impossibility, One-on-One, Arctic 
> Fox, Adventure Construction Set.  Hugh is a tiny god for 
> providing the EA Flatpack reference online :)
> 
>   I have all the Apple ][ Origin titles complete (except
> "Caverns of Callisto", which I missed for $5 on a newsgroup 
> last year).  These two sets are by far my most valued, though 
> there are buckets more that I prize as well (mostly RPG's).
> 
>   Both sets have at least one error-free set of disks
> (why collect if you can't play)?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward Franks [mailto:xyzzy@;kc.rr.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 12:45  AM, Hugh Falk wrote: [snip]
> > I'm also proud of my complete collection of EA flat box games...not 
> > that they're rare or expensive.  I just haven't seen
> another complete
> > set...anybody on this list collect EA flats?
> 
>   The EA game I have are the common Bards Tale and Wasteland ones.
> 
> Color me a classic RPGer.  :)
> 
>   To expand on your point about not particularly rare or expensive
> 
> games, I collect the old Avalon Hill computer games.  They had some
> nifty hybrids (computer game with mounted map board and 
> counters) and a 
> messy listing of games.  Trying to figure out what games are 
> out there 
> and then finding them is the fun for me.
> 
> --
> 
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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Dan Chisarick]

Apple EA: I keep the stuff sorted by publisher, so I could
certainly write up a list.  I should clarify that its "to the best of my
knowledge" (37 titles is what it looks like).  I never had an "official"
catalog of all published titles, but I'm 99% certain I have the kitchen
sink.  I've trolled archives, newsgroups, old mags, etc. to find names
Most I paid for a game was what we'll call major "oops".  New to
ebay, had only actively started collecting for a few months, I put in a
"safety bid" to keep snipers away and someone apparently did the same.
So for a shrinkwrapped copy of Starflight I coughed up $250 bucks.  I
learned two valuable lessions that day and in the coming months:

1) Only bid what you're actually willing to pay
2) In almost every case, no matter how uncommon, there's a high
probability that once a title appears, additional copies will appear
shortly thereafter.  

Needless to say the title, while highly prized, can be had for
much less.  CF had described many moons ago how new collectors skew
"fair value" for titles by doing stuff like this.

-Original Message-
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Thanks for the minor deity status! I'd actually like to see what the
complete EA Apple II catalog looks like.  Do you have a list you could
send me?  Also, does that include IIgs?

That reminds me of another good poll for you guys.  I mentioned some of
the best games I got for free.  But I'd be curious...what is the most
you paid for a single game?  I don't want to know about a group of
games...just one game.

For me it was Caverns of Callisto (NM), which I paid $111.38 on ebay.
Considering I was looking for at least a couple of years, and this was
the first one I saw, I'm surprised it didn't go for more.  (April of
this year). It's possible I've paid more for a single game in the past,
but I don't think so (I might be repressing a horrible memory).

Hugh


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I spent about 22+ months tracking down every last EA title
(complete) made for the Apple ][ (flat, box, game, utility, app, etc.)
Of those by far the most satisfying to find: Marble Madness, Realm of
Impossibility, One-on-One, Arctic Fox, Adventure Construction Set.  Hugh
is a tiny god for providing the EA Flatpack reference online :)

I have all the Apple ][ Origin titles complete (except "Caverns
of Callisto", which I missed for $5 on a newsgroup last year).  These
two sets are by far my most valued, though there are buckets more that I
prize as well (mostly RPG's).

Both sets have at least one error-free set of disks (why collect
if you can't play)?


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Re: [SWCollect] [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?

[Alexander Zoller]

> That reminds me of another good poll for you guys.  I mentioned some of
> the best games I got for free.  But I'd be curious...what is the most you
> paid for a single game?  I don't want to know about a group of
> games...just one game.

Myth for Atari ST: $120 shipped. Also, an Ultima III for Apple II for $115,
which came with a rare variation of the hintbook. Snatched a very similar
combination recently for a *slightly* better price:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1371312915

Favorite finds: items previously believed to NOT exist. Ultima III by US
Gold, for example, or the slipcased Ultima Trilogy.

/Alexander


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Thanks for the minor deity status! I'd actually like to see what the
complete EA Apple II catalog looks like.  Do you have a list you could send
me?  Also, does that include IIgs?

That reminds me of another good poll for you guys.  I mentioned some of the
best games I got for free.  But I'd be curious...what is the most you paid
for a single game?  I don't want to know about a group of games...just one
game.

For me it was Caverns of Callisto (NM), which I paid $111.38 on ebay.
Considering I was looking for at least a couple of years, and this was the
first one I saw, I'm surprised it didn't go for more.  (April of this year).
It's possible I've paid more for a single game in the past, but I don't
think so (I might be repressing a horrible memory).

Hugh


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I spent about 22+ months tracking down every last EA title
(complete) made for the Apple ][ (flat, box, game, utility, app, etc.)
Of those by far the most satisfying to find: Marble Madness, Realm of
Impossibility, One-on-One, Arctic Fox, Adventure Construction Set.  Hugh
is a tiny god for providing the EA Flatpack reference online :)

I have all the Apple ][ Origin titles complete (except "Caverns
of Callisto", which I missed for $5 on a newsgroup last year).  These
two sets are by far my most valued, though there are buckets more that I
prize as well (mostly RPG's).

Both sets have at least one error-free set of disks (why collect
if you can't play)?

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On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 12:45  AM, Hugh Falk wrote: [snip]
> I'm also proud of my complete collection of EA flat box games...not
> that they're rare or expensive.  I just haven't seen another complete
> set...anybody on this list collect EA flats?

The EA game I have are the common Bards Tale and Wasteland ones.

Color me a classic RPGer.  :)

To expand on your point about not particularly rare or expensive

games, I collect the old Avalon Hill computer games.  They had some
nifty hybrids (computer game with mounted map board and counters) and a
messy listing of games.  Trying to figure out what games are out there
and then finding them is the fun for me.

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Pedro Quaresma]

I don't think you have been raped, I believe there was a "floppy only" Akalabeth that was sold (more or less recently) on eBay for $1000.

To avoid severe budget strains, I have commited myself not to spend more than $50 USDs per game. Of course I'd break this rule on extreme exceptions (Akalabeth on eBay with a BIN of $51 ? ;) ), but so far it wasn't necessary. I think my record is still $35 on a [MS] Ultima 2nd trilogy Deluxe edition! :)

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> That reminds me of another good poll for you guys.  I 
> mentioned some of the best games I got for free.  But I'd be 
> curious...what is the most you paid for a single game?  I 
> don't want to know about a group of games...just one game.

Well, I may have been horribly raped back in 1998, but I paid $800 for
my Akalabeth.
!!!

- John
 


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Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[Pedro Quaresma]

I havn't got any spectacular tales to write about, but these are my best finds:

Three copies of [MS(T)] Worlds of Ultima 2 Martian Dreams for $8 each.

Ultima 8 by Softworld (the Chinese editor of Origin games) for $5

A huge bundle of Apple 2 games that included Ultima CPC (with manual) and other "rare" games (incomplete U2, etc) for $100 shipped.

Another huge bundle of Apple 2 games that included another Ultima CPC (disk only) and other rare games (Autoduel complete, some Wizardries, U3, U4) for another $100 shipped.

I was given the box of the autographed 10th Anniversary Worlds of Ultima Savage Empire. No contents, just the box.

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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[John Romero]

> That reminds me of another good poll for you guys.  I 
> mentioned some of the best games I got for free.  But I'd be 
> curious...what is the most you paid for a single game?  I 
> don't want to know about a group of games...just one game.

Well, I may have been horribly raped back in 1998, but I paid $800 for
my Akalabeth.
!!!

- John
 


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RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?

[John Romero]

> end of the Golden Age of Gaming (by GOTCHA's definition), you 
> have to love that gameCarmack sure knows how to make them ;-))
^^^

DO I NEED TO KILL YOU FOR THAT REMARK??!!! ;P~~

- John
 


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